WoW Dragonflight Lore for Noobs with Nobbel and Crendor (No Spoilers)
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- WoW Dragonflight Lore for Noobs with Nobbel and Crendor (No Spoilers)
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![The Story of The Green Dragonflight [Lore]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/pAHLkznVbbM/mqdefault.jpg)
Happy to see you back in action together.
13:50 absolutely my favorite part playing through Classic. Feeling like a smaller part of a greater whole as opposed to this massive hero right off the bat, building up a reputation instead of just having one already.
Nobbel comments on how he feels like he is rambling all the time. I could literally listen to him ramble about anything and everything, so i love videos like these
Fun fact:
Of all the dragonflights, the bronze flight was united for the longest time, even though they lost their aspect from burning crusade to the end of cataclysm. You could argue that the infinite flight is a splinter faction, but they are technically future or alternate versions that come to interfere with the prime-timeline.
The blue dragonflight was almost shattered during the war of the ancients, when Deathwing betrayed them. Malygos became insane (not the evil kind, but the babbling madman kind). Many of their kind died or went off to do their own thing. Like the blue dragon that was a worldboss in classic-azshara. When the aspects regained their powers, the blue dragons might have reunited but it was only after Malygos regained his sense (after vaping some Nether-drakes) did they truly unite to start a holy war against anyone abusing magic.
The red dragonflight was united for pretty long but then Alexstraza was imprisoned by the old horde and forced to breed free mounts. The rest of the flight did not dare to interfere in case something happened to her. Only after destroying the demon-soul were they united once more. But as far as I know, there were feral red dragonkin in classic-wetlands that were left behind.
The green dragonflight had a problem with the emerald nightmare and we could kill them during classic because they were driven mad. Ysera was also VERY deep asleep and barely anyone could contact her. They also lost their other leader, the main-consort Eranikus in the sunken temple.
The black dragonflight was seemingly rabid since the war of the ancients. While they all worked towards Deathwing's goal, they almost never cooperated. Nefarian conquered the blackrock, Onyxia manipulated Stormwind and Sinestra experimented on the next model of the UBERdragon, using her own eggs and netherdrake-essence. They all only submitted to Deathwing, who was unaviable many times throuout history.
Nobbel's storytelling here is **mwuh**! 👌🏻 The very funnest of "Previously, on World of Warcraft...." expansion intros. Thanks for making this happen, both of you.
Crendor, coach, my guy, you have no idea how much I needed this exact video on this exact night. These vibes will be immaculate.
I haven't heard Nobbel in a long time. Woah.
Gotta love how he sounds exactly the same
The best Dutch English in the west
Guess you haven’t really been paying attention to streaming sources lately
That’s because WoW hasn’t had any good lore in a long time. Still don’t, so this is a treat.
I've not played the game for years, I just enjoy hearing you two talking.
I am drunk, and here is my take on the lore for Dragonflight. You ready? Here it is.
The Dragons are back.
i like it the dragons could indeed maybe be coming back for this one, fingers crossed!
It's definitely one of the dragon expansions ever seen.
Thanks for summing up this hour long video in four words
@@krodmandoon3479 I am wise when drunk.
You guys should definitely do a full a spoiler section for those who already know or those, like myself, who aren't gonna play the game.
Crendor: I'm currently flying in Classic Wrath.
Area on screen : Outland Nagrand.
Crendor moment
Here i am with my headphones listening to this whilst cleaning my house! Keeping me company 💪
I keep up-to-date on lore, but I always enjoy these recaps. Thanks, guys!
Sylvanas is basically damned to do maw dailies
That's honestly a fair punishment
@@diswazzi1683 its too cruel imo
Stories and games should aim to keep the player character below a dnd 5e level 10. When we become able to kill world/galaxy level threats powerscaling becomes ephemeral. Its why vanilla through wotlk felt good, biggest baddies were relatively less existential based on powerscaling compared to more recent expansions.
long over due to have you guys back together. Thanks for this always so much information gained:D
The highlight of my week!! Thank you so much for these, I love your content both individually and together ♥️
For those looking: actual dragonflight discussion begins at 19:00
Crendor, your content takes me back to a simpler time in my life.. even though I don't play WoW anymore, I watch it because it takes me back. Cheers mate 👍
Aren’t our actions ingame representative of some NPC actions/motivations (questgiver). So from Thrall’s perspective you didn’t do all the things but instead we experinced what the NPCs did.
For example if your character comes to a military outpost surrounded by demons and the commander gives you a quest to kill 100 demons that you complete, then what ”really happened” in the world was that the soldiers at the outpost repelled the demons, not that one supernatural creature yolomurdered them…
These collabs make me so happy ^_^
Despite having read most of the Warcraft books, there were still some details I had missed, so cool to get some more lore from the loremaster. Cheers!
Crendors old videos were sooo good! Some of the best wow videos ever, this dude had the best random top 10s and rants in nice zones ever. That was a prime wow era
This was the frost expansion where I left my main behind. Made an entirely new character on a new server on a new side and just had a completely different experience. Looking forward to bringing my main squeeze back into the saga. Shadowlands was so disconnected
If anyone can convince me to come back to WOW it's these two. I love how Nobbel manages to explain WOW lore to me like I'm five. 😅 It's so much easier to digest.
I've got some packing to do and this, is the best white noise I could've asked for. Thank you Crendor.
I'm still convinced that one subtle clarification would change so much when it comes to people's perceptions of Shadowlands...if they would only clarify when Denathrius allied with Zovaal. People act like they were working together the entire time, but if it were a more recent alliance then the other parts of "The Jailer was behind everything the entire time" don't apply as much. It's a simple change/clarification but one with much larger implications.
Deathwing didn't invent the Hour of Twilight. The HoT was an Old God prophecy that was about them destroying the world. In Cataclysm they used Deathwing to try to bring it about. That's why the Aspects had fullfiled their purpose after defeating him. It's not circular.
Nobbel is like Santa Claus to me, he just makes me so happy
Both of you in a guild doing wotlk raiding would be fantastic content to watch
Yes dude! WoW lore that’s rooted from the original. Shadowlands and the whole story the expansion as a whole had has felt out of touch from the core of Warcraft lore and feel. Thanks to both of you - this was a fun listen!
These videos are my only interaction with WoW purely because the lore always sounds so weird and interesting even though the gameplay is an absolute borefest for me.
So thanks Nobbel & Crendor for giving me that sweet lore goodness that I crave!
it took a bunch of Nobbel videos and seeing and hearing word of mouth that Dragonflight was good, but I finally made the decision to return, at least for now. I left at the end of Legion, briefly came back for 2 months at the start of Shadowlands, and quit again after 2 months of Maw dailies and Choreghast and bad story. Dragonflight has pleasantly surprised me.
I love books so I'm all for more novels, as many as we can.
Tried to listen to this last night in bed and I fell asleep. Tonight is round 2.
Classic does feel like more of a connevted adventure. The reason is that I classic you do 75% of the questing stories during level just to hit the end. In retail a single character gets flashes of a dozen old zones at max. Even if you do one expansion you miss chunks. And in modern expansions raid are so vital you feel confused about what's happened.
I really enjoyed this pointless flying 👍
i aspire to be like you guys one day
I gave up long ago on Baine doing something nowadays i just try to hope for him to not get kidnapped
Sylavanas lore idea of Shadowlands was great. Just lacked in execution.
Great video
I'm sorry did something happened after Legion? A sword? What Sword?
Best part of wow expansions right here
Ill say the three weirdest aspect books are
Breakfast of the aspect
Lumchtime of the aspect
And
Holiday of the aspect i dont know why we needed kalac in a speedo but thats what they gave as
THx, Nobbel. ♥
So, can we a video of Crencat reacting to a Kalegos pose?
Nefarian was the Tater-tot of Dragons.
"no more sex"
"dragons be like: *staring at countless eggs*...yeeeeaaaahhh no."
Around the 14:00 mark: I think what's under this feeling that the older expansions were better is really just setup. I feel like WoW could do a lot better on the story front if they actually took the time to set up future stories properly, as opposed to (often) just giving them a prepatch and an out of game expo presentation. It might end up feeling rushed, I don't know, but imagine if WoW's expansion cycle was like: x.0 - main story. x.1 - continuation. x.2 - cleanup/climax. x.3 - setup for new expansion. And then repeat that.
Ultimately, I think it would be even better if they were able to separate story from gameplay updates, allowing them to do small storylines to accentuate current ongoings and set up future things. I really hate what they've done with the jailor, but it wouldn't have come as such a sudden blow if they'd managed to sneak in even relatively small storylines/quests that just might suggest that there's something or someone behind what's going on. It IS ridiculous that Azeroth suffered a string of massive disasters in the span of like 5 years, isn't it? Maybe there's someone behind it. That could easily have been in-game, in-story speculation and hinting. Obviously they couldn't have done that back during the Warcraft games, because the Jailor wasn't invented yet. But operating on the assumption that they have at least an idea of what the central villain/story of a new expansion will be 1-2 expansions beforehand, this -should- be possible.
I'm just fantasizing, I know. But honestly, WoW just needs some Chekhov's Gun. In the game. Presented to the players.
Also, really like the Crendor/Nobbel duo. Keep it up.
My favorite duo.
Kalecgos and Jaina were just close friends. That’s all my mind will accept. Same with that sunwell spirit. Just friends.
Does this mean we are also getting more nobbel lore vids and crendor's "how to win at" videos!?!?!?!?
19:04 Crendor once again being the low-key one of the funniest people. The immediacy of how he responds to 'it's your fault' is side-ripping.
Maybe Nobbel will tackle the lore of lil Skittles one day
A small thing to point out is that canonically the Shadowlands is in year 35 or 36 and Dragonflight will start on year 40.
They said in alpha lore that is was so deathwing, old gods, tankau(call primalists their shamans) or other primalists followers couldn't get back in or dracthyr sample/aspect powers stolen not clear. And so malygos couldn't murder the dracthyr.
In regard to the time skip, you say that from Vanilla to Shadowlands has only been a few years, yet both Anduin and the Blood Elf orphan we meet in TBC have aged over 10 years in that same span, so it's been at least a decade, not just a few years. In fact, it seems like Anduin aged about 10 years just from Vanila to Pandaria.
I've always figured Anduin to be about 10 in classic, and 20 by shadowlands, so in MoP (if my math is right) he'd be like... 14-15? Maybe he's aged fast because of stress
Anduin definitely has not aged 10 years Vanilla to Shadowlands.
Anduin is 10 in classic, 15 in MoP during the events of War Crimes, and 18 in Battle for Azeroth. Those are the 3 confirmed aged for him and when we get them as far as I’m aware. That means Anduin will be around 23 by the start of Dragonflight (Shadowlands taking 2 years start to finish + the 3 year timeskip before Dragonflight).
@@charlylmaoo5953 So he aged 8 years, not 10. Wow just 2 years off what I said. Point is it's still more than just a couple of years. Thank you for confirming that it was more than just a couple of years
Can you make more truth rages please
This is the best
Hope I'm not venturing into the territory of head-cannon here. I don't really give the Jailer "Mastermind" status in the lore. Sure he was involved in alot of what happened, but alot of stuff happened without him. We have slightly more information on what was going on behind the scenes, but there was soo much chance behind some of the events that one could hardly say that he planned it all. Some stuff worked out, some didn't, some REALLY worked out, some REALLY didn't (he did lose after all).
I guess I just don't find the Jailer that important. Alot of what happens on Azeroth has zero to do with him. So, I just find him another villian in this huge web of story interactions. Anywho, looking forward to Dragon Isles!
Really good discussion here. I like dragonflight so far, shadowlands was so bland to me very quickly. Being back on azeroth and not in some otherworld again is really refreshing.
The video is amazing, but, please, turn Nobbels mic louder next time
I think its like a year expansion to expansion even tho they make them 2 years apart lol because in 2004 anduin was 10ish and hes 18 or 19 by shadowlands the what 8th expansion? lol so from classic its been only like 8 years so its nice they get to actually grow the characters a couple years at least now
"Maw Walker" feels like a slur
As I joined in shadowlands I actually enjoyed this exanction. However I can see why people did not, and some of the points brought up in this video highlight this massively
The steaks are way higher when your enemy is not instantly world ending, because in that case there is no Chance you could ever loose.
Steaks lol
@@diswazzi1683 Well thats an embarrasing typo.
Counterintuitive yet it makes perfect sense.
Anduin honestly probably all like…why didn’t the light assist me in anyway. I’m sure he called on the light like A lot of others. I wouldn’t be surprised next expansion we get a quiet voice over. “Light save my soul.” And it’s Anduin being forced into the role and nothing comes to help him. Not even a flicker of light.
great recap for someone that has no interest in giving blizzard money ever again. Much appreciate it, Nobbel is awesome as always o7
Ha, sterility got retconned. I still can't find where it is asserted in canon though. That they turned sterile I mean.
doing the timeskip refresh as an expansion and not a new game was an incredibly stupid idea
I dont think the lore said that the "Jailer did it" about everything, mostly that he just benefitted from events that he saw happening while he was in waiting.
At least you can explain the backstory for this expansion. Unlike in Shadowlands, where it feels like a new IP shoved into WoW.
Arthus was a true Gary Cooper
hm... last time somebody went on a personal journey to discover himself a little Orc went full Putin Mode on Pandaria.
I wonder what will happen this time.
is Nobbel implying Afrisiabi wrote the burning of Tedrassil?
howdy doody
It’d be fine if you had to learn about characters and their development through a series like arcane
"more childlike characters grow up"
They did try! Despite their best efforts, Wrathion would be like... 12 at most. He's like the 2nd stage pokemon evolution of dragons.
I still don't know why we are going to the Dragon isles. I only played the first month of Shadowlands. I've watched a few videos... still not sure.
Just found the legacies on the official channel, they are helping.
No on arthas. without it you couldn't undestand during wotlk that arthas was lich king alone thats completely bullshit, then wotlk had malygos which you couldn't undestand without reading shadow wing manga, day of the dragons and wota trilogy. Then with tbc it made no sense until illidan novel and chronicles 3 lorewise. Cata you needed to read tides of darkness, dotd, notd, wota trilogy to be able to understand its lore and deathwing. with legion needed to read chronicles 1 to understand it.
The whole comment about not needing to read a book in order to understand the game is the same sentiment I feel with the Star Wars sequels. They should have showed us important information instead of putting it in a different medium.
Still disappointed they aren't revamping all old world zones and updating all old models
i thought it was 5 years, 2 to 3 isn't much.Was looking forward to some characters growing up, they really should add some young blood.
I liked shadowlands. I know the lore doesn't work, but the story itself was good. I enjoyed the areas (except Ardenweld crap).
I hope one thing they learn from the success of FF14 is to put the story in the game. People will play a 200-300 hundred hour msq in FF14 for the story.
I'm at the absolute last part of EW and I'm at 550 hours 😅😂 but its AMAZING
Writers trying to complain about the unilateral decision to have Sylvanas burn the tree are fucking terrible at their job.
It’s just a writing prompt. It’s literally their job to take stuff like that and make it interesting.
I get Nelfarion... not being able to tap Alexstraza would drive anyone insane.
I really want to try and give constructive feedback without it just sounding negative, so here it goes:
Things I liked about this interview -> Crendor asked some basic, but really good, questions (such as "what's the current lore that we know", "what does Nobbel think will happen without spoilers", etc). Never underestimate the power of simple questions because they can give the interviewee a frame to work within that doesn't require 20hrs of background information before getting to the meat of things.
Things I didn't like (but will try to be nice) about this interview -> Nobbel stopped being the "lore guy" for me since the end of Legion. I was hoping this interview might change my mind, but he is still just (imho) very shallow on the lore. And TBH I don't really blame him; the lore has gone to shit since Legion and not even I care to look into the details anymore (Shadowlands had me pumped, only to have the everything since WC3 spat in my face and Arthas' story literally reduced to 35 anima...I'm getting angry just thinking about it).
HOPEFULLY Dragonflight will be lore rich, and Nobbel will be reinvigorated enough to go full loremaster mode again, because right now I feel like I would have got more out of spending 45 mins on Wowpedia than listening to a lot of this...what I want is someone who is insightful enough that they can connect all these things in ways that you can't do just by reading off a lore wiki.
In short: spend less time talking about things we kind of already know (i.e. Wowpedia articles) and more time talking about what it actually means in the greater context of things (what do you speculate the dragon flights were actually doing in the last few expansions since they weren't focused on, but we get bits of lore here and there... tie it all together; what are your insights? Do you have any predictions based on all these titbits of info?, etc).
There was a YT channel I really like for awhile called 'The Dread Expanse', and even though he no longer makes videos his content was awesome. Maybe he was a little "quacky", but at least his theories were interesting and novel. Maybe I'm asking too much here and not been 100% fair to Nobbel... I guess I just really want the lore to be good again and that usually means the WoW lore content creators are making cool/interesting/novel videos again.
Just to end this off positively: if I really didn't give a shit about these sorts of videos, I wouldn't have wrote any of this. Hopefully we might get more of these collab videos in the future.
I don't think the vid was meant for you, read in the title where it says 'For Noobs'
@@SolonarTM maybe, but in that case the video should have been 1 min long and just Nobbel saying "10,000 years ago the dragon isle was hidden/lost and now its back and we go to it"
I hope the story in DF is good, but I’ve always thought that dragon lore in WoW is lame. The only interesting flight is the black flight.
They always have to make the dragons go mad or be under mind control for us to have conflict with they and it never feels natural.
So we’ll see what they can do with this bad base.
point of clarification, at the beginning of the video, Crendor is NOT in fact flyingaround in Wrath areas.. just lovely floaty island Nagrand (Outland Version) 🥸
Shadowlands was ok on the border of ok and dumpster fire interesting is being nice
Lol almost 20 minutes in and still no dragonflight lore mentioned
It took 20+ minutes to start talking about Dragonflight
Arfas
I can’t make myself care about WoW lore anymore. It’s like when Disney took over SW, or Amazon took over LOTR.
This video is super quiet i recommend looking into sound normalization and LUFS
I fucking loathe the 'read the books to get the story' bs of Blizzard. A big reason I have stopped caring about Warcraft.
Me Stabbeh
Me rush to max level
Me kill gnomes
Me not know lore
Me really appreciate simplified videos like these
Me listen while stabbing more gnomes
if the tree was not meant to burn, Azeroth would not have made it so flammable
14:07