This is definitely one of my top three episodes of the series, the way it kept switching interactions between Claudia and Egon in different times, the parallels, and that scene with little Claudia saying “you’re too good for this world” 😭 😭 😭
When you get the full picture, you’ll understand why Noah gave her the watch. It’s something that can’t be spoiled, you just have to wait and you’ll have the answers. No one say anything, don’t be that person lol
Nice one as always. About Noah giving Ellie the pocketwatch to give to Charlotte, you are assuming that everything that happened in season one has happened before the events here in season two. Yes, we've gone forward a bit in all three timelines, but remember, people are time-travelling back and forth, especially people like Noah. For example, the middle-aged Noah from some episode in season one could've already gained whatever knowledge was in the missing pages, then travelled to 2019 or whatever time, and act according to that knowledge. So unless he carries a sign around his neck "I am 40-something years and so-and-so-many days old", you don't know exactly where he is on his own timeline as his middle-aged self. That's what makes it so tricky. We find out layer by layer how it all fits together, like a game of 3D chess. And the makers of Dark had pretty much all of this planned in advance, this is what makes it so amazing.
You are right, this is something that we've learned later on. By the way @Mike Miller, thank you so much for always sharing your thoughts, one of your comments helped us a while back so you (or your comment, I should say) have a small cameo in episode 5 of this season! I hope you don't mind.
You are omitting the 33 year cycle though. Unless he found a way of ignoring that, his middle aged self has to go form the events of season one (Nov 1920/1053/1986/2019/2052) to the events of season two (June 1921/1954/1987/2020/2053).
@@michaelklaus Yes, that could be, but i was speaking more in general about the non-linearity (within a cycle, within a season...) which permeates this show. We can only begin to comprehend the entirety of it all once we've seen everything, until then, we see pieces of a puzzle. But a very entertaining puzzle that is fun to solve.
5:25 well technically the blue/cyan room is in 1986 and at least in 1987 (or should I say the bunker is blue in those years?) anyways Helge was in the bunker in 1953 and traveled to 1986 by touching the rift and then he traveled "the long way round" to 1987... before he went back to 1954 by chair
12:52 well... (again) actually somebody wrote the book UNLESS we assume that this was indeed a closed temporal loop and nothing could ever change. Because if it was not, then there was another version of the timeline where either Tannhaus or somebody else did indeed write the book. Tannhaus explained in season one the disgress between free will and causal determinism or as I keep saying two of the three assumptions we should understand when talking about time travel... the third assumption is obviously that time travel was possible. These assumptions are what leads us into the logical contradictions, the time travel paradoxes. The book is actually a rather weak example of an ontological paradox, because we do not know if it always happens the same way in a closed loop, or if it simply happens time and time again in a series of iterative time loops. Actually most of the stuff can be explained either way given the explanation deliverd by Stranger-Jonas in the season finale: we are not free in what we do, because we are not free in what we want so far the main argument for the closed loop is the storyline of Ulrich and Helge: Helge led Ulrich to the discovery of time travel by remembering being attacked by time traveling Ulrich; this seems to be an actual ontological paradox; then again it was also Ulrich who forgot Helge's copy of the book at 153-Tannhaus' clock shop... which further strenghtens the idea that all of this is an ontological paradox because what many sci-fi writers sadly ignore is that both types of paradoxes (ontological and causal) do not go well with each other; each contradict one of the aforementioned assumptions; so if there was one instant of an actual ontological paradox, the whole time travel thing should be deterministic in the first place
15:25 first off Flurazepam is used to treat insomnia; but one of the group of benzodiazepines was also used to treat depersonalisation/derealisation-disorders BUT never in Germany... so it might be that Ines is infact trying to help her Mikkel... given the information she has
This is definitely one of my top three episodes of the series, the way it kept switching interactions between Claudia and Egon in different times, the parallels, and that scene with little Claudia saying “you’re too good for this world” 😭 😭 😭
When you get the full picture, you’ll understand why Noah gave her the watch. It’s something that can’t be spoiled, you just have to wait and you’ll have the answers. No one say anything, don’t be that person lol
"Time is always with you. Wherever you go. You carry it in you. And it carries you. It sees and hears everything that you do and say."
Nice one as always. About Noah giving Ellie the pocketwatch to give to Charlotte, you are assuming that everything that happened in season one has happened before the events here in season two. Yes, we've gone forward a bit in all three timelines, but remember, people are time-travelling back and forth, especially people like Noah. For example, the middle-aged Noah from some episode in season one could've already gained whatever knowledge was in the missing pages, then travelled to 2019 or whatever time, and act according to that knowledge. So unless he carries a sign around his neck "I am 40-something years and so-and-so-many days old", you don't know exactly where he is on his own timeline as his middle-aged self. That's what makes it so tricky. We find out layer by layer how it all fits together, like a game of 3D chess. And the makers of Dark had pretty much all of this planned in advance, this is what makes it so amazing.
You are right, this is something that we've learned later on. By the way @Mike Miller, thank you so much for always sharing your thoughts, one of your comments helped us a while back so you (or your comment, I should say) have a small cameo in episode 5 of this season! I hope you don't mind.
@@reactionando Of course, i don't mind, looking forward to it!
You are omitting the 33 year cycle though. Unless he found a way of ignoring that, his middle aged self has to go form the events of season one (Nov 1920/1053/1986/2019/2052) to the events of season two (June 1921/1954/1987/2020/2053).
@@michaelklaus Yes, that could be, but i was speaking more in general about the non-linearity (within a cycle, within a season...) which permeates this show. We can only begin to comprehend the entirety of it all once we've seen everything, until then, we see pieces of a puzzle. But a very entertaining puzzle that is fun to solve.
I love how much fun you both have watching DARK ❤️ Fantastic reaction!
Thank you so much! I should say that if our reaction is good it's only that way because the show itself is fantastic.
Your reactions get better by each episode, I'm having so much fun watching you ❤ Get ready for what's to come 😎
Thank you so much!!
4:43 "This song is so good!" Yes, it is 🤩
5:25 well technically the blue/cyan room is in 1986 and at least in 1987 (or should I say the bunker is blue in those years?) anyways Helge was in the bunker in 1953 and traveled to 1986 by touching the rift and then he traveled "the long way round" to 1987... before he went back to 1954 by chair
12:52 well... (again) actually somebody wrote the book UNLESS we assume that this was indeed a closed temporal loop and nothing could ever change. Because if it was not, then there was another version of the timeline where either Tannhaus or somebody else did indeed write the book.
Tannhaus explained in season one the disgress between free will and causal determinism or as I keep saying two of the three assumptions we should understand when talking about time travel... the third assumption is obviously that time travel was possible.
These assumptions are what leads us into the logical contradictions, the time travel paradoxes.
The book is actually a rather weak example of an ontological paradox, because we do not know if it always happens the same way in a closed loop, or if it simply happens time and time again in a series of iterative time loops.
Actually most of the stuff can be explained either way given the explanation deliverd by Stranger-Jonas in the season finale: we are not free in what we do, because we are not free in what we want
so far the main argument for the closed loop is the storyline of Ulrich and Helge: Helge led Ulrich to the discovery of time travel by remembering being attacked by time traveling Ulrich; this seems to be an actual ontological paradox;
then again it was also Ulrich who forgot Helge's copy of the book at 153-Tannhaus' clock shop... which further strenghtens the idea that all of this is an ontological paradox
because what many sci-fi writers sadly ignore is that both types of paradoxes (ontological and causal) do not go well with each other; each contradict one of the aforementioned assumptions; so if there was one instant of an actual ontological paradox, the whole time travel thing should be deterministic in the first place
15:25 first off Flurazepam is used to treat insomnia; but one of the group of benzodiazepines was also used to treat depersonalisation/derealisation-disorders BUT never in Germany... so it might be that Ines is infact trying to help her Mikkel... given the information she has
found you guys today, always nice to see people reaction to my favorite show..... had to subscribed
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