You have more energy than any other 10 people I know... and you are certainly not afraid of hard work! Really hard work! Love your channel! Keep it going!
You might add a thin tube or even a solid wire between the two top bushings on each gear leg. This avoids side loading the gussets (gear mounting points). During a landing the gear legs will tend to splay apart, and without this added tuge, the gussets will have to resist the splaying.
I miss your Kitfox videos, brother! But I am glad to see that you are back flying, again, and having fun, mixed in with the hard work which I am certain you are devoted to, as well....which with your great Lady, all adds up to a dream come true for you, and I couldn't be happier for you, because you are good dude, Jonas! Blessings to the both of you!!
For a bit of toe in you could have just put a small bend in the middle of your through tube and that would have done the trick. Definitely toe in on these small planes otherwise you have your wheels wanting to run outwards which drops the nose of the plane as beetle down the track. Not ideal. Nice work bro.
Tow IN (just a little) causes the wheels to push inward on touch down. Tow out would cause the wheels to pull outward more and more as gear is forced against the surface. In Line much better then tow out. 8)
Love those side grinders! I have three of them! And hey it's TOW IN! At least on vehicles not sure about airplanes! There will be tow out when the gear hits the ground! This is from a farmer learn by doing engineer!!! LOL
You are back on track again! Good to see doing what you are doing. New challenges, more videos, that’s how it was before cappela’s end. Keep the good work, Jonas :)
Love the build videos, your very inventive like your older stuff like the mower haha. I also have faith you will figure the old bailer out. So maybe I watch too much Forged in Fire but would it help to do some mild heat treating on the legs? like just enough that when the metal flexes it will spring back, but not so heat treated that it gets brittle...
Love the Sponsor section. I have been thinking about how to finish off my hangar. Thought of building my own door system but that would definitely be easier. Will definitely check them out!
Awesome video!! the title.... Jonas rescuing abandon airplanes from the wild that need new gear! It's like a Public Service Announcement! Love the fabrication... mad skills on display..... way cool!
Hey Jonas, I found this post on Van’s website. I thought it might be help in the toe in/toe out debate: Dec 31, 2021 #9 Toe out or toe in? Hi, Moe, Mel beat me to it:), but here is an expanded explanation: You are entirely correct that in racing cars, toe out is desirable to make the turn in more aggressive. The reason for this is that at turn initiation, there is little weight transfer until the entire chassis rotates to give the rear tires the angle of attack (known as "slip angle" in tires), they need to create a lateral force. Toe out makes the inside front grab more aggressively on turn entry, speeding up the rotation of the chassis. However, the opposite is true with a taildragger aircraft: Mainwheel toe OUT creates a stabilizing force. First, let me explain my background to give a bit more credibility: I am a Mechanical Engineer, with 35 years' experience in engineering and driving of open wheel (Formula 2000 and others) cars, reasonably successfully. Chassis setup was my specialty. Now, why toe out? As we all know, the tailwheel aircraft is inherently unstable on the ground because the CG is aft of the main wheels. If both wheels have toe in, both wheels will be creating a force towards the centerline of the aircraft when rolling straight ahead. When the aircraft diverges from a straight path (swerves), even slightly, weight is transferred from the inside wheel to the outside wheel, thus the outside wheel will have a greater lateral thrust capability and the inside wheel will have less lateral thrust capability - the net is an increase in force in the direction of the swerve, increasing the swerve rate, and requiring a very authoritative rudder response from the pilot. Conversely, if the wheels have toe out, both wheels will be creating a force outward, away from the centerline of the aircraft when rolling straight ahead. When the aircraft diverges from a straight path (swerves), weight is transferred from the inside wheel to the outside wheel. Again, the inside wheel loses some lateral force, while the outside gains some lateral force. But here's the key: weight and lateral force capability is still transferred, but the toe out of the outside wheel helps to "steer" the airplane straight. Note that the airplane is still unstable, but less so with toe out. In my own case, my RV8 had an initial toe IN of 1.25 degrees. I found the airplane to be controllable, but "nervous." Using the VAN's supplied shims, I set toe OUT 0.25 degrees. The "nervous" feeling was greatly reduced. Now, look at the same analysis for a tricycle aircraft: Toe IN is stabilizing as the CG is ahead of the main landing gear. Think about it….. As noted above, when transitioning from tail up to tail down on landing, the camber of the wheels will move the wheels towards toe in. For the typical10 degree nose up three-point attitude this will translate to approximately (10/90 x camber angle) or .11 degrees per degree of caster. This argues for even MORE toe out to retain relative stability in the 3-point attitude. At my next condition inspection, I'll increase the toe out to see if this can be documented. As an aside, by changing the toe in I increased my tire life from 240 landings to 600 landings, and the wear is much more even (both sets of tires were Goodyear Flight Eagle III)
I believe it is very well done. The creativity on the layout to the building of the structure is awesome. I would like to say when you are more or less winging it on your own you are on that trial and error gig. Nice job and can you publish any of your music on line to see what helps motivates the videos?
Jonas the landing gear you built looks to be 200% better in it's design then the original. The plan for construction of it needs to be sold for this type of plane. It will make the plane way stronger to land. Great design
Jonas, you're a jack-of-all-trades in the shop. Amazing watching you work. Where in the world did you learn your skills? Are you trained as a machinist? I wonder if you grew up on a farm?
A similar ultralight with wheel/floats was for sale here in North Ga a few years ago. They wanted $20k for it. If my Jeep Wrangler had been paid off at the time I'd have bought it.
You should have put the stronger thicker tube on the rear and used the smaller tube on the front as a "tension" rod to keep it aligned. You are more likely to bend the smaller rear tube on a hard landing under compression than pull it apart under tension.
Great work. Might consider changing your disc on the chop saw, the damaged edge can make those things come apart in a hurry, I've seen guys with pieces of the disc stuck in their faces after they explode. Keep up the good work. 👍
Nose weight ain't gonna hurt the forward airspeed that's for sure... GREAT VIDEOS! As far as toe in or out goes...Camber etc is something I discovered when i built my first gokart. Initially I knew NOTHING about toe in etc until i built my stearing with straight wheels (The easiest). The result was me yawing right and left like a skateboard does when going really fast with no dampening. I crashed and burned in a big way. I would assume a tail dragger would have the same issues as well... Not sure though...
I know it would be a lot of work but id love to see you to you convert it to an experimental aircraft with a number and everything so you could put a bigger engine, more fuel, etc. it would be a cool process to see too.
Dude I JUST WATCHED MY FIRST VIDEO and this was my second. I thaught you said you did remote control stuff but you do real plains and ultra lights cool
why not switch it over to mountain bike brakes, could save even moe weight, and the new cable pulled hydraulic calipers are cool, have clamping or hydraulic with cables.
Airbikes are very stable and predictable at low airspeeds with the control surfaces they are equipped with. While you do lose some authority, in general they are more than adequate even at sub 30 mph airspeeds.
@@graw4868 my guess would be poor alignment when the legs were initially set up. They flex a lot during landing which can exaggerate misalignment further. Especially on pavement. Also jonas appears to fly mostly GA aircraft. It is common for folks transitioning from GA to UL to have problems during landing as you bleed airspeed and carry far less momentum. Whatever the issue, insufficient rudder control is most likely not the case. I own and fly one of these regularly. Great in the air, tricky on the ground.
Toe is the most important alignment angle when it comes to a tire’s overall tread life and performance. Dude, a little toe would make a world. I go toe in, (every car known to mankind uses). Use that pipe, or slightly smaller one and just shim in front of it where is passes through the axle holes. Don't need much, like a 1/32 if that. That will translate to about a 1/4 inch on the forward surface of the wheels. Easy to do a simple mock up to double check. Your high speed taxi experience will be a world better. Always need a little toe!
Straight is the way you want to run not turning one way or another, with cars if it's rear wheel drive you want to have toe in so it flexes straight under power, with front wheel drive you build toe out so under power itflexes straight your little airplane is most critical during landing and its not under power or torque until you add brake. So you decide what you need and build it, I love your little plane.
Its TOE IN, imagine in your mind, two wheels both toed in, the left trying to turn right, the right trying to turn left, both fighting each other, plane goes straight, and the fighting to turn adds drag to slow the plane to a stop. NOW, the plane goes to the right, the TOED IN right wheel is now going STRAIGHT with no drag, HOWEVER, the toed in left wheel is now making even more of a right turn adding drag and slow down, so the plane goes back to the left.
The way it was taught to me in RC is that toe in will turn your to the inside of the runway if you touch down with one wheel on accident but if you go with toe out it will want to steer you off the runway. Not sure if the same things apply in full scale though. I had one plane that was always a nightmare to take off and land, it was a ground loop monster. I tried toe out and it made it worse but when I went toe in not only did it make it much easier for ground handling but it also made the tires scrub which actually helped slow it down for our short runway, Ultrasport .40 overmotored with a .55 for those that are curious.
The point where you are welding is very critical! It's where your wings lift your ass! I wouldn't dare to weld in this area, unless I know exactly what the effects are. And MIG/MAG?
Toe in or toe out? When you swerve, and the plane rocks towards the outside of the swerve, toe in will make the tire with the weight on it want to turn more into the swerve, making the swerve worse. With toe out, that same wheel will be aiming just a bit out of the swerve not into it. I've tried to set up my Avids and Kitfoxes straight ahead or 1/8" toe out. But I've been wrong plenty of times in my life to. But it's my story, and I'm sticking to it. :-)
Actually you want toe-in. If the plane starts to swerve to the right, for instance, the left tire will be angled further to the right, creating more drag, while the tire on the right will be straightened, creating less drag, all resulting in a pull to the left to square up the plane. This was how we used to set up RC aircraft to be self-correcting.
@@stevenhorney7735 I don't follow your line of reasoning. Maybe this will explain it better as I see it. In the first ski lesson a snow skier gets, he learns to snowplow. The ski tips are nearly touching each other with the back of the skis wide apart. (an exagerated toe in condition) To make a turn, the skier lifts one foot, and turns in the direction the other ski is pointing. Likewise, when the plane leans over in a swerve and transfers more of the weight of the plane to the outside wheel, the plane will start to go more in the direction of that outside wheel. At that point, toe in will make the turn tighter. Just the opposite of what you would want.
@@jimchuk8511 You're assuming all the weight transfers to the outside wheel in a turn; in which case, you would be correct. But unless the plane is tipping significantly, both wheels will be loaded. In thinking about your ski analogy, if have your weight on both skis, you'll be more stable snow plowing with the tips pointed inward than you would be with the tips pointed outward. If they're pointed outward and you start to turn, the inside ski (or wheel) will create greater drag, while the outside ski (or wheel) will come into alignment and move with less drag, amplifying the turn. The opposite happens with toe-in, pulling you back into alignment. You can test this with a model car or airplane (or skis). Give them toe-in and then toe-out, and see which is more stable.
dude, its toe in not out, toe in makes you go straight and helps slow you down, toe out and you will shoot all over the place, no toe and it will be a squirrel.
You have more energy than any other 10 people I know... and you are certainly not afraid of hard work! Really hard work! Love your channel! Keep it going!
This is what experimental aviation is ALL about! Thinking it out, engineering it, building it and installing it. Very well done! Congrats!
Great video, how ever you could forget the music.
You might add a thin tube or even a solid wire between the two top bushings on each gear leg. This avoids side loading the gussets (gear mounting points). During a landing the gear legs will tend to splay apart, and without this added tuge, the gussets will have to resist the splaying.
Noted! Thanks for the info
I miss your Kitfox videos, brother! But I am glad to see that you are back flying, again, and having fun, mixed in with the hard work which I am certain you are devoted to, as well....which with your great Lady, all adds up to a dream come true for you, and I couldn't be happier for you, because you are good dude, Jonas! Blessings to the both of you!!
Yeah the flying stuff is great he just has to work on his landings oh yeah that’s what he’s doing right now.🤪
For a bit of toe in you could have just put a small bend in the middle of your through tube and that would have done the trick. Definitely toe in on these small planes otherwise you have your wheels wanting to run outwards which drops the nose of the plane as beetle down the track. Not ideal. Nice work bro.
Tow IN (just a little) causes the wheels to push inward on touch down. Tow out would cause the wheels to pull outward more and more as gear is forced against the surface. In Line much better then tow out. 8)
Just make sure you still have positive chamber when fully loaded! It will steer easy
What wire do you use Jonas on the Meg welder when welding the chromoly, Thanks.
Didn’t know you had hard core fabricator skills. Nice work.
Whether it's planes or farming, I like all your tinkering videos. Keep up the good work and stay safe. Greetings from Missouri
Looks good to me Jonas, now comes working out how many loops of shock cord you need and what size of cord.
Enjoyed spending time with you. Major skills.
It would be good for you add some playlists for the variety of presentations you have! I appreciate your diversity!
Love those side grinders! I have three of them! And hey it's TOW IN! At least on vehicles not sure about airplanes! There will be tow out when the gear hits the ground! This is from a farmer learn by doing engineer!!! LOL
Jonas, I’m glad to see you put out a video. I miss the time when you made more videos. I understand life happens but we miss you bud.
Great to see you're skills at aviation at work. Keep it up! Thanks for sharing!
You are back on track again! Good to see doing what you are doing. New challenges, more videos, that’s how it was before cappela’s end. Keep the good work, Jonas :)
Well done my friend, you do have some skills.
You are a real craftsman fun watching you work.
Hello from Minnesota!! Nice workmanship!!
Love the build videos, your very inventive like your older stuff like the mower haha. I also have faith you will figure the old bailer out. So maybe I watch too much Forged in Fire but would it help to do some mild heat treating on the legs? like just enough that when the metal flexes it will spring back, but not so heat treated that it gets brittle...
Love the Sponsor section. I have been thinking about how to finish off my hangar. Thought of building my own door system but that would definitely be easier. Will definitely check them out!
Can't believe you going to make us wait Jonas lol, God bless you.
J man you have some mad skills! 3 types of welding on one project.
That landing gear sounded very wet.
On models it's generally toe in tow out creates a groundloop on tail taggers, on a trike it makes the steering super sensitive
Nice vid! Love that aircraft. Was considering building one at one point. Great find and great mods! Matty H approved.
You know, I just like the video even b4 I watch it. I just know you two have something special to share. ❤️💕💞💖
Awesome video!! the title.... Jonas rescuing abandon airplanes from the wild that need new gear! It's like a Public Service Announcement! Love the fabrication... mad skills on display..... way cool!
Always look forward to a new Marcinko Production! Anticipating great success in part two! 👌
Dude you just have the best videos have a great day man!
Great video Jonas, landing gear looking good. Thanks for working with us!
Hey Jonas, I found this post on Van’s website. I thought it might be help in the toe in/toe out debate:
Dec 31, 2021
#9
Toe out or toe in?
Hi, Moe,
Mel beat me to it:), but here is an expanded explanation:
You are entirely correct that in racing cars, toe out is desirable to make the turn in more aggressive. The reason for this is that at turn initiation, there is little weight transfer until the entire chassis rotates to give the rear tires the angle of attack (known as "slip angle" in tires), they need to create a lateral force. Toe out makes the inside front grab more aggressively on turn entry, speeding up the rotation of the chassis. However, the opposite is true with a taildragger aircraft: Mainwheel toe OUT creates a stabilizing force.
First, let me explain my background to give a bit more credibility: I am a Mechanical Engineer, with 35 years' experience in engineering and driving of open wheel (Formula 2000 and others) cars, reasonably successfully. Chassis setup was my specialty. Now, why toe out?
As we all know, the tailwheel aircraft is inherently unstable on the ground because the CG is aft of the main wheels. If both wheels have toe in, both wheels will be creating a force towards the centerline of the aircraft when rolling straight ahead. When the aircraft diverges from a straight path (swerves), even slightly, weight is transferred from the inside wheel to the outside wheel, thus the outside wheel will have a greater lateral thrust capability and the inside wheel will have less lateral thrust capability - the net is an increase in force in the direction of the swerve, increasing the swerve rate, and requiring a very authoritative rudder response from the pilot.
Conversely, if the wheels have toe out, both wheels will be creating a force outward, away from the centerline of the aircraft when rolling straight ahead. When the aircraft diverges from a straight path (swerves), weight is transferred from the inside wheel to the outside wheel. Again, the inside wheel loses some lateral force, while the outside gains some lateral force. But here's the key: weight and lateral force capability is still transferred, but the toe out of the outside wheel helps to "steer" the airplane straight.
Note that the airplane is still unstable, but less so with toe out. In my own case, my RV8 had an initial toe IN of 1.25 degrees. I found the airplane to be controllable, but "nervous." Using the VAN's supplied shims, I set toe OUT 0.25 degrees. The "nervous" feeling was greatly reduced.
Now, look at the same analysis for a tricycle aircraft: Toe IN is stabilizing as the CG is ahead of the main landing gear. Think about it…..
As noted above, when transitioning from tail up to tail down on landing, the camber of the wheels will move the wheels towards toe in. For the typical10 degree nose up three-point attitude this will translate to approximately (10/90 x camber angle) or .11 degrees per degree of caster. This argues for even MORE toe out to retain relative stability in the 3-point attitude. At my next condition inspection, I'll increase the toe out to see if this can be documented.
As an aside, by changing the toe in I increased my tire life from 240 landings to 600 landings, and the wear is much more even (both sets of tires were Goodyear Flight Eagle III)
Great video. Ignore negative comments about the music. I like seeing the detailed fabrication steps. 👍👍
I believe it is very well done. The creativity on the layout to the building of the structure is awesome. I would like to say when you are more or less winging it on your own you are on that trial and error gig. Nice job and can you publish any of your music on line to see what helps motivates the videos?
One word Jonas.....
Defiance
Jonas the landing gear you built looks to be 200% better in it's design then the original. The plan for construction of it needs to be sold for this type of plane. It will make the plane way stronger to land. Great design
And the low-slung extra drag and weight will take away some of that aileron sensitivity...
Jonas, you're a jack-of-all-trades in the shop. Amazing watching you work. Where in the world did you learn your skills? Are you trained as a machinist? I wonder if you grew up on a farm?
Good music. Thanks for sharing your tunes.
A similar ultralight with wheel/floats was for sale here in North Ga a few years ago. They wanted $20k for it. If my Jeep Wrangler had been paid off at the time I'd have bought it.
20 000 is way too expensive for something that you don't know if it will fly again one day.
@@alexdarcydestsimon3767 the one here was not grounded.
@@rsbrehm anyway, for such a price i would prefer save it for a Van's jigsaw puzzle.
Two in the morning on your side of the water, i guess ?
@@alexdarcydestsimon3767 3:31
You should have put the stronger thicker tube on the rear and used the smaller tube on the front as a "tension" rod to keep it aligned. You are more likely to bend the smaller rear tube on a hard landing under compression than pull it apart under tension.
Great work. Might consider changing your disc on the chop saw, the damaged edge can make those things come apart in a hurry, I've seen guys with pieces of the disc stuck in their faces after they explode. Keep up the good work. 👍
Nice, great job.
I wish you would list your sound tracks in the Credits. GREAT TUNES (hard time finding them🤨)
small tow in or straight NO tow out, nice work Jonas.
Looks like you have engineering and fabricating capabilities and the tools to go with it! Great video Jonas...looking forward to the test flight!
A true craftsman. Because only a true craftsman will trust his work with his life. Carry on.
btw, they don't call it pigeon toed for nothing.
How'd you get all that work done without any help from Loki?
U have talent beyond yr years,.. live the dream !!! Cheers
There are three things one could watch forever: water, fire and someone doing a work 😄👍👍👍
Looking good. Question, I have never seen it done on a plane b4, but why not do a torsion bar set up?
Love the aviation content!!
Very nicely done Jonas, gona be só much beter!
Nose weight ain't gonna hurt the forward airspeed that's for sure... GREAT VIDEOS!
As far as toe in or out goes...Camber etc is something I discovered when i built my first gokart. Initially I knew NOTHING about toe in etc until i built my stearing with straight wheels (The easiest). The result was me yawing right and left like a skateboard does when going really fast with no dampening. I crashed and burned in a big way. I would assume a tail dragger would have the same issues as well... Not sure though...
Yay airplanes again🥰
Pretty darn cool, it’s coming together, outstanding seeing you do fabrication work, I thought I heard someone whispering “Defiance” maybe it was me.
Hello Jonas, did you give up kitfox?
was just about to go to bed (in Scotland), but you posted a video...
You need a joint of fiberglass pump rod from a oil pump jack from the oil field it is super strong and super light
This is a good idea. My friend works in the oil field I’ll ask him.
I know it would be a lot of work but id love to see you to you convert it to an experimental aircraft with a number and everything so you could put a bigger engine, more fuel, etc. it would be a cool process to see too.
With the n number comes a lot of hassle. Simple is better.
Great Video. Thanks!
Dude I JUST WATCHED MY FIRST VIDEO and this was my second. I thaught you said you did remote control stuff but you do real plains and ultra lights cool
My Roberts rear gear leg has a short final section that changes the angle, so it enters the rear bracket straight on.
Nice work man! That'll be 2000% better than what you had! 👍👍
How is the abandon airplane coming along I haven’t seen anymore about it ? I thought that was interesting 👍
I worked on it today. Getting the brakes all worked up on it. Should have a video in a week or so!
Landing gear
Nice design with hinged travel?
A pair of spring steel legs not an option?
Less drag, however continual impacts causing metal fatigue?
⚔️
why not switch it over to mountain bike brakes, could save even moe weight, and the new cable pulled hydraulic calipers are cool, have clamping or hydraulic with cables.
Just found your channel, I'm really enjoying your work .. probably gonna binge this for a bit instead of sleeping lol. Subscribing now
Love this video!
i subscribed watching your farming vids somthing about the struggle bus i enjoyed .. who new i like airplane vids aswell lol
finally man, long time no see 🙈
Love your videos and song choices. Keep on living the dream my friend.
So, did you make any money from your baling operation.
What tires and wheels are on the air bike?
Nanco 21 smooth and 8inch Azusa
What about a bigger rudder too for more low throttle control?
Airbikes are very stable and predictable at low airspeeds with the control surfaces they are equipped with. While you do lose some authority, in general they are more than adequate even at sub 30 mph airspeeds.
@@kidkhaos6427 So why did it swerve so badly of the runway after landing?
@@graw4868 my guess would be poor alignment when the legs were initially set up. They flex a lot during landing which can exaggerate misalignment further. Especially on pavement.
Also jonas appears to fly mostly GA aircraft. It is common for folks transitioning from GA to UL to have problems during landing as you bleed airspeed and carry far less momentum.
Whatever the issue, insufficient rudder control is most likely not the case. I own and fly one of these regularly. Great in the air, tricky on the ground.
@@kidkhaos6427 Makes sense, thanks for taking the time to reply.
@@graw4868 no worries, its all just a game of educated guesses anyway!
a man with a grinder and drill can make anything just need to watch those fingers when grinding. oh yes a little knowledge goes a long way too.
Thinking of building n altralight but the cost to build is crazy 😢
Toe is the most important alignment angle when it comes to a tire’s overall tread life and performance. Dude, a little toe would make a world. I go toe in, (every car known to mankind uses). Use that pipe, or slightly smaller one and just shim in front of it where is passes through the axle holes. Don't need much, like a 1/32 if that. That will translate to about a 1/4 inch on the forward surface of the wheels. Easy to do a simple mock up to double check. Your high speed taxi experience will be a world better. Always need a little toe!
I might have to find me an abandoned ultralight aircraft to rebuild just so I can get all those cool tools...
...don't tell my wife, please...
So did you purchase a Diamand Door for the hangar you were working on next to your home north of Blackfoot?
How much psi in the tire of this gear ?
Sure do like videos of this content
Wow!!! Awesome!!!
Who are the songs you use by?
Ya man! Get on it. 👍
Toe it before you tow it or end up ships creek before ya know it!😝
Nice. But make sure it's beefy enough to for your retirement years. 😁😉
Love your fabrication vids.
Jonas when are you gonna finish the Cappella and your defiant
Straight is the way you want to run not turning one way or another, with cars if it's rear wheel drive you want to have toe in so it flexes straight under power, with front wheel drive you build toe out so under power itflexes straight your little airplane is most critical during landing and its not under power or torque until you add brake. So you decide what you need and build it, I love your little plane.
Yup. We gotta really watch our weight for sure 😜
Let's take a trip to Alaska .. Homer through the weekend I have the cash I'm near pdx.
That "COULD" have been progress on Defiance !!!! Come on Jonas !!!
Jonas where do you work to come up with all these big bucks like nice house, farm land and shop etc?
Bit nosey aren't you 😂
He used to be a drone pilot in the film industry.
He used to be somebody 😉, 😀
Its TOE IN, imagine in your mind, two wheels both toed in, the left trying to turn right, the right trying to turn left, both fighting each other, plane goes straight, and the fighting to turn adds drag to slow the plane to a stop. NOW, the plane goes to the right, the TOED IN right wheel is now going STRAIGHT with no drag, HOWEVER, the toed in left wheel is now making even more of a right turn adding drag and slow down, so the plane goes back to the left.
The way it was taught to me in RC is that toe in will turn your to the inside of the runway if you touch down with one wheel on accident but if you go with toe out it will want to steer you off the runway. Not sure if the same things apply in full scale though. I had one plane that was always a nightmare to take off and land, it was a ground loop monster. I tried toe out and it made it worse but when I went toe in not only did it make it much easier for ground handling but it also made the tires scrub which actually helped slow it down for our short runway, Ultrasport .40 overmotored with a .55 for those that are curious.
I had Ultrasports in 40, 60 and the 1000. Great memories.
The point where you are welding is very critical! It's where your wings lift your ass! I wouldn't dare to weld in this area, unless I know exactly what the effects are. And MIG/MAG?
Toe in or toe out? When you swerve, and the plane rocks towards the outside of the swerve, toe in will make the tire with the weight on it want to turn more into the swerve, making the swerve worse. With toe out, that same wheel will be aiming just a bit out of the swerve not into it. I've tried to set up my Avids and Kitfoxes straight ahead or 1/8" toe out. But I've been wrong plenty of times in my life to. But it's my story, and I'm sticking to it. :-)
Actually you want toe-in. If the plane starts to swerve to the right, for instance, the left tire will be angled further to the right, creating more drag, while the tire on the right will be straightened, creating less drag, all resulting in a pull to the left to square up the plane. This was how we used to set up RC aircraft to be self-correcting.
The latest understanding is a little toe out, I agree.
@@stevenhorney7735 I don't follow your line of reasoning. Maybe this will explain it better as I see it. In the first ski lesson a snow skier gets, he learns to snowplow. The ski tips are nearly touching each other with the back of the skis wide apart. (an exagerated toe in condition) To make a turn, the skier lifts one foot, and turns in the direction the other ski is pointing. Likewise, when the plane leans over in a swerve and transfers more of the weight of the plane to the outside wheel, the plane will start to go more in the direction of that outside wheel. At that point, toe in will make the turn tighter. Just the opposite of what you would want.
@@jimchuk8511 You're assuming all the weight transfers to the outside wheel in a turn; in which case, you would be correct. But unless the plane is tipping significantly, both wheels will be loaded. In thinking about your ski analogy, if have your weight on both skis, you'll be more stable snow plowing with the tips pointed inward than you would be with the tips pointed outward. If they're pointed outward and you start to turn, the inside ski (or wheel) will create greater drag, while the outside ski (or wheel) will come into alignment and move with less drag, amplifying the turn. The opposite happens with toe-in, pulling you back into alignment. You can test this with a model car or airplane (or skis). Give them toe-in and then toe-out, and see which is more stable.
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dude, its toe in not out, toe in makes you go straight and helps slow you down, toe out and you will shoot all over the place, no toe and it will be a squirrel.