A career 'death watch' for Boeing CEO Dave Calhoun is not the answer, says Eric Dezenhall
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- Eric Dezenhall, Dezenhall Resources chairman and co-founder, joins 'Squawk Box' to discuss the crisis facing Boeing following the latest Boeing 737 Max-9 accident, what's at stake for CEO Dave Calhoun, and more.
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In a company, everything in the culture comes from the top. An airplane manufacturer that can't tighten bolts on critical components, needs new leadership.
Unfortunately, it's not that simple for a company as big and old as Boeing. This is much more than a culture issue. This is years of cost cutting to up the share price. They eliminated most of the QC/inspection staff years ago now. They went with the self inspection approach of the worker on the shop floor "inspecting" their own work. That's likely the issue here and recent issues with the 787 issues. This stuff could have been easily caught before they went out the door.
I used to work for Boeing. As soon as I pointed out the SAFETY Flaws (many), I was let go. They even told me "Don't Be So Neat Picking" and asked me to revise the document. IF I was asked to testify in the Congress, I would. Lack of Leadership at Boeing. There are so many Managers .. a Manager has his manager and his manager has another manager to report to. 3 freaking steps to report to 3 different managers. Red Tapes at Boeing !!
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In Asia everybody said the new management team try to reduce cost.
David Calhoun is a bean counter. Put an engineer back in charge
Can't find any qualified engineers in the DEI hire group, unfortunately
What is up with everyone using that term? You are a Russian or Chinese minimum wage employee
The last engineer that led Boeing was Mr. Calhoun’s predecessor. This is a company culture problem.
@MichaelAcevedo Dennis Muilenberg did pretty well being in charge of Boeing's rotorcraft division. His being fired was because he was in the big chair when the crashes happened. If any executive most deserved to be penalized for Boeing's 737 Max failures it is Jim McNerney who oversaw the development from the beginning nearly to completion. But of course he got out just in time and gets to live out up with the mess he oversaw left to his successors to pay for.
Bean counter? You can’t even come close to his work experience.
It's not an engineering problem, it's a pressure to cut corners problem that comes from the management
This!
Exactly. There needs to be a clean sweep of that so-called leadership team and a new, competent and honest one installed in its place.
Correct. This case in particular, this was NOT an engineering issue. The door plugs have been used for decades. This was lack of quality control in assembly.
When you hire NOTHING but Mexicans, I know I quit that pos American sweatshop company!
I used to work for Boeing. As soon as I pointed out the SAFETY Flaws (many), I was let go. They even told me "Don't Be So Nitpicking" and asked me to revise the document. IF I was asked to testify in the Congress, I would. Lack of Leadership at Boeing. There are so many Managers .. a Manager has his manager and his manager has another manager to report to. 3 freaking steps to report to 3 different managers. Red Tapes at Boeing !!
Dezenhall comes across as a spin doctor to me.
Boeing whistleblowers have said multiple times over the past 20 years that its corporate culture will lead to accidents. They lay off their most experienced engineers and outsourced their jobs to inexperienced new hires who do not have the qualifications to design and build airplanes. They have also highlighted that management’s philosophy is contradictory, because management sees Boeing as a “systems integrator” but lays off people who are essential for that integration to cut costs.
The media really needs to step up its game and provide examples of companies that were in Boeing’s position culturally but managed to change it back to something that produced quality products.
You forgot they have sought, multiple times, exemptions to safety regulations in design
They also ditched or reassigned most of their QA division as a cost saving measure, instead directing that the engineers who develop the various components have responsibility for quality assurance on the parts they design. Which is a fine idea in principle, except that their engineers already have full time jobs with all the pressures to deliver on their previous job descriptions that they had previously. Now they have those responsibilities, plus being responsible for quality, and even for increasingly having to babysit suppliers which the company's Supplier Management organization has pushed off on engineering as well. As you'd expect, management doesn't much care to be told that designers and engineers can't easily do their job plus everyone else's and not inevitably drop the ball somewhere - those that do object get dismissed, usually in favor of younger and less experienced new hires too naive to know that this is anything other than the norm, and are used up until they burn out or realize how absurd these expectations are and leave for better managed prospects elsewhere.
Boeing needs to buy out spirit aerospace.
Not doubting your assessment at all. I'm just unfamiliar with companies that had bad culture and then turned it around. I can only think of Apple when they got rid of Jobs and then rehired him to help them become profitable. Do you have other examples?
Apple was in free fall when Steve Jobs came back. Boing needs to do the same. Move the HQ to on-top of the assembly of airplanes in Seattle and hire less MBA’s and more engineers.
His argument about triage is correct, but the patient is not the 737 Max-9. The patient is Boeing itself!
Yeah. And when he talks about identifying the ‘fix’, the fix shouldn’t just be narrowly focused on this door plug issue, but how to fix the culture of Boeing’s quality control as a whole.
Well said!
And we are all patients if we fly on a Boeing jet!
@@MoonstruckExploringBeta testing Guinea pigs?
Funny thing is that on one leg of a recent cross country trip, we had a short ride on the new 737-8s, and I’ll have to say that of all the variants of that family I’ve been on over the past 10yrs, it was the most spacious - but lipstick on a pig I guess.
Time for the beancounters at Boeing to seriously reflect on their commitment to an almost 60 yr old airframe topology over several sidelined projects, or as Joe alluded Airbus will continue to “eat our lunch” - and deservedly so I my opinion.
The senior leadership of Boeing should be sued for gross negligence.
They should be jailed. Lawsuits only affect their stocks, they still get their huge paychecks and packages
Nobody in Boeing Senior Management was criminally charged after the results of the investigation into the two crash of the Boeing 737 Max that led to the deaths of 346 passengers and crew. In fact, a deal was made between the DOJ and Boeing that it would escape prosecution if it demonstrated a beefed up quality control system!
Correction, it is not an engineering problem, the design is sound, it's a QUALITY ASSURANCE PROBLEM!!! Who is responsible for quality assurance within a company?? Could it be management??
whistle-blowers have been predicting this for 20 years. Software that crashes planes, tools left behind inside furl tanks, and now door plugs that don't.
Gee, isn’t that in their basic job description, or is that itself subject to retroactive revision?
Love these I’m an expert who’s really not an expert. This is not an engineering problem this is a quality control problem.
People keep saying it’s an engineering problem. In this case it appears to be a manufacturing problem. An engineer can design the most perfect thing, but if the guy building it doesn’t follow the design it’s going to fail.
Boeing canned their last CEO over crashes. That apparently didn’t fix the issue. Their board of directors needs to be overhauled and then the commercial aviation arm needs audits.
They need independent inspections that answer to the FAA and the client purchasing the aircraft.
This happens in Civil Engineering why can't it happen in Civil Aircraft.
CEO lol, buba prolly don’t know how to change oil in a car
Yes. The whole culture is corrupted. They still keep asking for safety regulation exemptions after the 2 crashes (after one crash and then a failure to find and fix it and an immoral
Blaming of pilots)
That's because once you have "professional managers" in every position, they may have all sorts of good intentions, they have *no idea* how to solve the problem, and will almost certainly do something to "fix" it that makes it worse. Firing the CEO, all the new "business initiatives" in the world are either useless or (more-likely) counter-productive. Rebuilding this sort of "business culture" has be be rebuilt from the ground up, not from management down. It may not be soluble because they are geared to do just the opposite.
Lot more complicated than that.
The fix? Take the concerns and warnings of your engineers and workers very seriously, and follow up on these concerns. This has happened because the warnings from the factory floor are ignored. Very stupid game plan.
In many ways it may be too late without a wholesale change in management and the board. If the culture has already trained people to keep quiet, there isn't a voice to listen to.
This guy lost me when he said it was a engineering problem. How can bolts not being installed be a engineering problem.
Always blame something else, never the management and board of directors. There's a reason why SpaceX is eating Boeing's lunch for rocket launches. When is the last time the C suite of Boeing slept on the factory floor like Musk did?
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Yeah, it can be an engineering problem, but it's unlikely, how else do you attach a door to a fuselage? Weld it on? Either way the problem isnt this, the problem is what else on the airplane is botched.
If you engineer something that can be assembled incorrectly, and is also hidden in a way that it can be easily observed, then it is missed engineered. If you understand human manufacturing then you would know there is no amount of inspection that will guarantee 100% jthere will not be an error. Christ, just look at the auto industry and the never ending recalls.
Clearly the CNBC hosts had no clue on what they talking about either. This isn't a show to get any good information from other than financial markets.
It is not only about the bolts, it is about the hearts and minds of those tightening the bolts to the chain of commands tightening convictions and beliefs of outstanding human work.
The issue isn't about 1 specific bolt, it's a systemic issue within Boeing itself. I hope that's not lost on the CEO
IT'S NOT AN ENGINEERING PROBLEM" -The "door/plug/panel/fuselage thingy that keeps people, stuff, and breathable air from unintentionally departing the airplane in flight indicates a very serious management problem at Boeing that requires remedy. Boeing used to know how to manufacture airplanes in such a way that merited the philosophy of type certification. Is Boeing's work force competent to establish and follow manufacturing processes which will produce reliable and safe aircraft ? ( Since my retirement from Lockheed - Sanders 33 years ago, I haven't flown commercial. Not likely to do so in the foreseeable future either. )
It’s just a simple check list on every part of the plane that at least 3 people check and sign off …
The guy that installed it
His boss
And the Boss’s boss
They have instead repeatedly asked for exemptions to existing safety regulations
@@M_SC To be honest that process is pretty normal and sounds a lot worse because of MAX's history
The entire leadership should be sacked.
Aviation survives on an open safety policy where people who make mistakes or point out mistakes,can do so with no fear of reprisal.
Yet Boeing now punishes people who point out mistakes or safety issues.
Theyre 180° from the culture that made them the great manufacturer they once were!
I look forward to NTSB report. I want to see the results of log book review showing when the doors were last removed and by whom.
If it was not removed since delivery then I want to see the sign off paperwork showing technicians that installed the sign off on the completion of that installation job.
To many people are getting on here saying that they are experts in AEROSPACE .
I would like to see the Data before I spout off an opinion. all I see in these videos are people trying to make a buck off of this incident.
Please let the NTSB do its job and find out the reasons behind this. Thank you.
Pete, Please do not allow the Boeing aircraft company pull the wool over our eyes again. Thank you Pete
The times of Allan Mulally, an ENGINEER, head of the 777 program are long gone.
Bravo
“We’re in a moment”…. That’s modern speak for my words are super important and we’re smart, and trendy, and know how to make you feel better. Well, I flew 80 times last year and this year, I changed jobs so I don’t have to fly as much. These people are nuts, I don’t trust them, or the airlines. Their priorities are all out of whack
He’s been on the board for 14 years. He’s part of the problem. Fie him. Fire the board. Bring in some persons who can fix this.
Write your senator's lobbyist
You folks should be examining the history of Boeing management starting with the merge of McDonnell Douglas . I will bet that the corporate culture started changing shortly after that time with more pressure on profits than engineering. I find it interesting how two companies will agree to merge or be absorbed and the weaker of the two's management team will find a way to migrate upwards into the decision making processes.
I am an airplane mechanic and this is my opinion:
It's a mixture of pressure from management to try to meet the deadlines and deliveries, which then leads to cutting corners. And also the entire aviation industry is lacking seriously in experience and talent. Boeing hires people off the street to assemble these airplanes because that's all they can get. The pay scale for the entire aviation maintenance industry needs to be revisited. As well as the is a major shortage of experienced and certificated airplane mechanics and manufacturers.
Which costs money. Ultimately this is about companies refusing to spend the necessary money to do the job right. They pay their C-suite executives, board members, and stock holders the profit but don't invest in their own personnel who are the ones actually building the plane.
You sound much like the AME’s that I have worked with when I was in R & O for over 20 years. The real dedicated guys are the ones who KNOW what and where the real issues are. Love your take here…
Boeing will ask us tax payers to bail them out ... but the executive branch will still retain their bonus/compensation and business as usual.
@@user-kh8mv2be8t Bail out will NOT fix anything at Boeing but that is the next step ... the executive branch is already pointing fingers away from their policy decisions and towards employee workmanship problems and morale. But we will bail them out, otherwise the US will effectively be one and only one aircraft company Lockheed Martin and they don't make commercial aircraft anymore.
This is what happens when companies are "to big to fail"
Too bad.
No this is mostly what happens when companies get too focused on share price and cost cutting to meet earnings targets. Seen time and time again.
Its both
Too big to fail because Boeing is one of the biggest defense contractors ,which means if they don't change their ways the military will have shoddy equipment @johniii8147
Absolutely!
it's not an engineering problem when their QC is cut to the bone. that's a managerial issue. a C-suite issue.
the FAA asleep at the switch
Sorry, pal, it is NOT an "engineering problem"! It is a problem of Boeing forcing and encouraging senior assembly line workers to retire over the last 3 or 4 years. It is a problem of skilled workers and QC workers leaving during covid, and not coming back. And being replaced with workers -- trainees-- who are younger and have a different attitude about work -- INDIFFERENCE! No pride! No pride in being part of the famous Boeing family! And too much work-tasks for the available staff. Thus: ".... management doesn't care about us.... why should we care...?" That sort of attitude. That's why -- I'll be a dollar on this -- you will see the 777-X being pushed back ANOTHER year....
I am thankful Boeing is performing brain surgery where they accept failure. If this is a engineering problem is to put a competent engineer as CEO along with its Board members and enact legislation for jail time for failure to engineer a reliable product. The guest speaks as an investor not caring if they hurt people or not.
I won't fly on a MAX anymore, I've continued to avoid that plane since the original MAX incidents. If one of these planes is the only way for me to get somewhere I'm either taking a train, drive, or I'm just not going.
"We have nobody at risk" Yeah.. unfortunately there are doubts about that...
As Americans we have to ask ourselves the tough questions: which would I rather buy if the items was made by Boeing or by China? tissue paper, baby cribs, AM/FM radio, canned soups etc.. At this point, I can't trust Boeing to make bedroom slippers because I fear the soles would peel away as I walk down the stairs causing me to trip and break my neck.
He couldn't care less. His compensation $$$$$ is locked in. Unlike his non-unionized work force. It comes from the top down. Shoddy work is the bean counters fault.
Everyone is at risk. Boeing said "never again" after 300+ MCAST deaths. Since then many Boeing employees have been retaliated against for raising safety concerns internally and many employees have had to quit to blow the whistle externally and still nothing was done. Now that this incident has picked up more coverage than other recent incidents Boeing has admitted to omitting important info from the manuals regarding the cockpit doors being designed to swing open in a depressurization event and jam open while jamming the lavatory shut. What else are they leaving out of the manuals? What else have they not installed correctly? How many violations are we going to allow them before the FAA does it's job properly? When will congress do it's job to protect consumers lives rather than protecting corporate pocket books? Boeing received gov't funding and gov't exemptions after the MCAST deaths. Had those deaths been caused by private citizens those deaths would have been criminally punishable.
This is a brand new plane and the expert uses heart disease as a triage example!😂
It's time to talk to the whistle blowers and the "common man" in the company about the perception of Boeing's safety. What are the companies doing who have proven safety airplanes? The small companies might be obscure but the "big boys" need to examine what the smaller groups are doing right. Boeing has a big problem. The model of how the military handles a problem within the ranks might need to be reviewed for corporations. It still might be a problem starting at the top.
The FAA and Boeing has failed and continues to fail. We need to hold them accountable
FAA fails because Boeing pays Nikki Haley big bucks to sit on their Board of Directors. She knows nothing about the business but brings her political influence to the table
Boing has been going downhill ever since they moved the HQ to Chicago, and distanced itself from engineering and quality.
Quality issue is beyond the 737, just look at the starliner (space), KC-46 tanker, the 787 and on and on…
Who says it is manufacturing? The plugs are installed with BOLTS, CROWN NUTs and COTTER PINS. That means that the plugs can be removed and replaced at any time including seating reconfigurations. Who monitors seating reconfigurations? Cotter pins are a one time use item and must be replaced after every removal with new. Were the bolts left out awaiting new Cotter pins to arrive? Were the wall panels replaced before the job was complete thereby hiding the deficiency?. It is highly suspicious if examination of the plug on the other side of the isle was fully complete. Why one side and not the other? Perhaps seating was loaded from only that one side. Check seating configuration records!
1 out of 4 bolts missing, it is quality issue. If 2 out of 4 bolts missing, maybe it is big quality issue. If ALL 4 bolts missing, it is a sabotage. If you understand airplane installation and parts distribution procedure-ALL tools and screws and bolts are accounted for, when the install worker with hand full of extra bolts, he didn't forget to installing it. I hope FBI involve in investigation. I don't believe repeated error and omittions. It is NOT hard at all to find who/the worker was responsible to install this door panel. I suspect there are enemies within Boeing.
Well, there's a bootlicker.. Calhoun should be fired. We're told that these CEO's need massive paychecks because they're ultimately responsible. Indeed, he's responsible, and it's time for him to go.
NO…Calhoun doesn’t get it. Yes the leadership grounded the planes and supported the process etc etc…what Boeing did not do, is talk directly to the public…instead they released a transcript of what Calhoun said to an all employees meeting, and now he is telling us what Boeing has done…he never within hours himself directly addressed the public…this is crisis management 101. Clearly his PR crisis management team doesn’t get it. You focus on the public first…then you do the internal stuff…or you do both at the same time. Calhoun needs to go.
They better rebrand that aircraft Boeing 8 series or 9 series and take off the MAX LOGO from the fuselage as well as the safety placards on the back side of the seats. Already there are tens of thousands of people who have made up their minds about anything that has MAX on it..and will even wait a little longer to book a flight on a different plane…with preference shifting to Airbus. Also, Boeing has caused Alaska and United to lose already a billion dollars in revenue because of their inexcusable quality control issues…I hope these airlines either get restitution from Boeing, or sue them.
Omg! These business people are clueless. It’s the lack of safety culture of the entire company top to bottom. That stuff will not be fix overnight and until then you will have these recurring issues. God knows how many latent issues are in the existing fleet. First it was MCAS, door plug, rubber bolts, etc. they also has issues on 787s that caused months pauses in deliveries.
This is far more than an engineering problem. Eric’s superficial approach is wrong, wildly uninformed, and missing too many key points.
If this scammer did his job NTSB and FAA wouldn't need to be involved at all. Boeing management is grafting from the company and will leave with a golden parachute
The hosts barely let the man talk. I can't stand the constant interjecting and cutting him off. If you're going to invite an expert guest on then let the guest speak and inform us, don't try to talk over him! Tighten the leashes on your dogs, CNBC.
Nice word salad by Dezenhall. Whistleblowers have been screaming about Boeing for years and no one, especially at the FAA, has listened. This is yet another failure that was bound to happen.
CAVEAT: if you watch this entire video, you may never fly on a plane again until Boeing accepts my offer to fix what is broken inside of their system and I can do that: youtu.be/MtkCk7Vk8
This must be the most irresponsible company around, with zero accountability. Funny to see how this guy bends back to explain that this is just an engineering problem.
Airbus, Embraer etc don't seem to have these problems; perhaps Boeing should have look at their Corporate Culture.
This whole mess must be an ideal case study for business educational institutions.
Read Boeing Glassdoor reviews, and you'll see it's a cultural issue. It's a top-down company that values hierarchy more than safety. The fish rots from the head, and I'll be filtering Boeing planes out when planning travel.
DEI is to blame !!!!!
Hire me as CEO I’ll sit with workers and understand their issues and resolve one by one. And let’s make Boeing great again together as a team not me as CEO just collect millions of dollars and leave.
Why don't these talking heads allow the person being interviewed SPEAK! That's what they were brought in to do!
IMHO this is political issue not engineering or management one. As all this kind of gigantic monopolies in US they are strategic state resources. They are many things to many interested parties. So if we look from state (political) point then we can state that it is social program through employment, strategic defence program providing critical systems and services , a strategic civil aviation program, main contractor for hundreds of other strategic sub companies and entities, political prestige program, strategic investment company for pension and other critical funds and entities and list goes on. Can anyone seriously think that there is any way this convoluted entity with so many gigantic political owners and interested parties can change anything significantly? I can’t see this happening ever. They make some noise and throw some platitudes towards public and the train goes on.
Sounds like the crisis expert is saying crisis just need to be dealt. Don’t fix the culture that caused it so I still have my job? Am I hearing this right?
Boeing seems to operate like a major bank. Skirt the rules, rubber stamp safety reviews, pay the fines and move on. The fines will be a small portion of the profits that were made. Human lives are not a factor when profits are the goal.
CEOs need to be engineers. People whose priorities are marketing and finances will not deliver quality.
Just scrap the 737 completely and design a completely new one for the market they are targeting.
But they don't want to spend the money and time necessary to do that because their stock wont do as well and they will lose marketshare to Airbus .
Putting a new coat of paint and larger engines on a 50 year old design and calling it a new plane will cost Boeing more in the long run and may finish the company .
This is NOT AN ENGINEERING PROBLEM. It is a lack of procedural oversight. A lack of oversight can only be solved by proper process MANAGEMENT. Don't blame the engineers for management's corner cutting measures.
He was obviously letting things slip WAY too much on assembly quality control, and he needs to go.
Company culture starts at the top
May be replacing the CEO is the wrong way. Replace the whole board and keep the CEO until a better one is found. All commentators asked excellent questions. Also while 737 MAX is a old design recycled, the door that was fitted is not a new engineering piece. Its a basic add on that should have been caught in their quality control. If their quality control missed this, the question is what else did they miss? And is the quality control issue only on the 737 MAX
It is not an engineering issue! It is a production management issue! Please stop insulting the great engineers at Boeing who have for years been warning and pleading with the bean counters to stop cutting quality and safety corners.
This isn't about airplanes. This problem is about the business of running a assembly line.
Better make trains Boeing - atleast you know where the door plugs are falling off , along the tracks .
He should resign, there is no accountability at Boeing, Max-8/9 series is a disaster.
Hire Quality Control Inspectors who know what they're doing!! Cargo planes such as UPS and Fed Ex have been using these door plugs for decades, as well as Airbus itself with no problem.
Honestly, There is nothing wrong with the max anymore, it’s impossible. The whole world scrutinized the living hell out of this plane for 2 years. There is a problem with the people who are making it, obviously, they can’t do what they are supposed to properly. It’s sad. The design is fine but it means nothing if you can’t make it properly. Come on Boeing just do the right thing the first time, haven’t you learned your lesson?😢
I worked there and witnessed the chaos first hand, from managers that weren’t interested in trying to solve reoccurring manufacturing issues to unions protecting coke heads, to putting the lowest iq workers in charge of parts distribution, and it was up to a few skilled people to keep things flowing. The management basically tried to keep a lid on the issues by concealing and tamping down, and occasionally paying big bucks for efficiency “experts” to come in and try to organize the chaos and tidy up the mess they’ve allowed to flourish.
Boeing is a great company with horrible management, unfortunately they’ve succumb to woke hiring practices, greed over quality and a massive loss of (genuine) pride.
Hopefully this once great leader in aviation can get it’s sht together.
The "good 'ol boy" way of management needs to go.
CEOs are only eligible to reap massive rewords and bonuses without any consequences for bad judgement and policy. Got it!
To certain degree, it does not matter who the CEO of Boeing is. That person executes the direction set by the Board. What needs to change is the philosophy of the Board and its largest shareholders where 1) products perform as advertised and 2) product output does not occur at the sacrifice of quality. Boeing's Board places too much emphasis on the short game rather the long haul. They forgot Boeing got to where it was by making a quality product that did as advertised. When that product was made in ridiculous numbers, quality was not sacrificed.
Fly Airbus. Boeing is making too many mistakes.
I'm getting suspicious if it was sabotage to bring Boeing down. If this plug door was a design flaw, why it happened only on this plane which was not the first one of this model from the plant? Why it never happened during the testing phase?
Because it wasn't a design flaw?
Let the guy speak he's the expert not the interviewer
Boeing CEO: "Planes are grounded, everyone is safe"... and I'll walk away with my $20 million bonus anyway and leave this mess to the next CEO.
Calhoun should be behind the bars and held personally accountable!
The plug is the result. But that isn't the problem.
Sales for Airbus A320 Neo will vastly pass max planes, its auch a better designed plane than max. Why do airlines have to buy Boeing after so many catastrophic events.
As a worker in Airbus, We have too many commands to produce the a320/321 in reasonable time, we can’t answer favorable to replace all of the 737 commands 😅
The Boeing board engineered a manufacturing & QC mess when they decided to scatter parts production/assembly across dozens and dozens of states in order to secure more Congressional votes to do anything they want building commercial and military aircraft, and signing off on how the plane was built/maintained with minimal, pesky government regulation (FAA inspections). That leaves passengers to depend upon the NTSB to manage incident autopsies. Dangerous.
Fire the President and CEO of Boeing now !!
5:14 Airbus is not french. It is european.
This is a culture problem, not an engineering problem
It isn't just problems at Boeing, but also at their main supplier Spirit Aerosystems. And certainly not worker problems alone. It's the whole chain, from workers, to management, overstretched workload, too lean, a lack of oversight, no quality assurance, etc. Both companies are currently summoned to court by investors with the claim that Spirit Aero and Boeing with held critical safety related problems, like releasing subpar products and parts. Falsifying reports and documents, etc. Whistleblowers (quality assurance personnel) are silenced by Spirit Aero and Boeing. They both seem to be very much in the wrong. And it seems to be an endemic problem.
But unfortunately they sell the Spirit 737Max under a different name.
There are people saying the plugs are perfect for doing the final internal installations, because they (Boeing) can open them for better access.
Maybe they should consider to close them before delivery.
Boeing needs an engineer as chairman. Someone who lives in or near the factory (like Elon Musk). These GE know nothing type managers inhabit their remote headquarters first in Chicago - now Virginia. They should be close to and live with engineering and production. They’re mostly focused on marketing and finance.
Not an Engineering problem - Clearly a Manufacturing/Quality problem. Not installing bolts/cotter pins or torque fails is not engineering.
Throwing young virgin into volcano is what a Chief does and is useless.
Throwing the Chief, his exec staff, and manuf manager into volcano would teach the next set of clowns that if they fail they will be fired.
Primary issue is lack of accountability for manuf errors at tech/union level. Count errors and fire after incompetence shown.
1) sounds like Boeing is only focused on the plug door at the moment, but makes you wonder what other bolts on that plane are missing or not tightened properly
2) the pilots of that plane were surprised by the cockpit door being blown open by the decompression of the cabin - Boeing says this is by design, but apparently the pilots were unaware of this "feature" ... just like the MCAS system that caused the two fatal crashes of the 737 MAX. What other vital info is Boeing withholding from pilots to prevent FAA scrutiny before certification?
Boeing 737-9 unsafe at any height
RESIGN, AND ELECT A COMPLETELY NEW BOARD OF DIRECTORS. WITH 40% of the BOARD being elected by employees
Employees cannot elect the directors unless they buy the company.
To be on the Board of directors.
Sure they can, I know plenty of Companies That has employee elected Board Members. Maersk has two employees on their Board. Lego has as well.
Its actually proven to be quite beneficial for companies and extremely lucrative. Employees work harder and put more passion into your company if they feel part of the company. And it also adds a more realistic and better understanding of how the company operates for all of the Board members because you have people there who actually does the work. @@GH-oi2jf
This is blatant incompetence. They are bypassing quality, and obviously foregoing inspections. The entire company needs to be absorbed and nationalized.
Great. Let’s get the US government involved, who makes everything they touch into a colossal disaster. Better yet, let’s put the Chinese in charge.
It's all about cooperate greed. Not just here but pretty much every where.
What is the engineering problem here exactly?
When the plane gets a brand new hyper-efficient engine with oversized intake, they notched it forward and upward, as they aren't afforded a brand new clean-sheet design.
They have to tell CFM the engine maker to shrink down the turbine diameter (LEAP-1B) because the 737 platform doesn't have that ground clearance, at the cost of making it slightly less efficient than its Airbus counterpart (LEAP-1A) which can hold its full-size turbine diameter.
Now they have to tweak everything to compensate for the efficiency penalty. Totally brand new set of wings, new stabilizers, new tailpipe that has never seen major changes since 737-100, all to keep it competitive, new landing gear, and what nots.
When they need to keep the plane behaving in familiar way, they engineered a function to dampen the effects. It is just the bean counters that don't allow them to get it published, to allow the sales marketing guy to say that "no additional training required".
Boeing 737MAX was a radical re-jigging of the old 1967 737 platform, and by magic it almost matched A320neo performance figures. What's the engineering problem there? It looks like an engineering miracle.
Board desks these days talk with a lot of analogies not to try to explain to layman audiences, but seems to hide cluelessness.
That door plug is also in A321neo, when Starlux ordered their A321neo in less dense configuration than let's say Spirit, Airbus plug that door properly.
Boeing has been copying Airbus, from distributing its supply chain, using composites, and now re-engine-ing its best seller narrowbody jet. But it can't do it properly, then the white collar higher ups blamed the engineer?
This is clearly a process issue, be it manufacturing or Quality Assurance. You got a moving assembly line at Renton, and the supply chain is unable to provide the workers with the necessary parts when the airframe passed their assembly station. When the materials finally arrived, the workers need to chase the moving airframe down the line and hope that the person doesn't forget to install all of them properly.
Why such thing needs to happen? Why the rush? We know Airbus can't fill the all of those piling A320neo orders despite having all 4 factory outlets running full.
Why doesn't it happen in Tolouse, Finkenwerder, Tianjin, or heck... your own backyard, the Airbus-producing Mobile, Alabama? Or let's say how those folks in Zhoushan, China are doing?
BUILD PLANES WITH QUALITY TO LAST!!
Can i point out that globally some of these planes are still flying in places that havent grounded them. A few days after FAA grounded the max 737-9 i took a copa airlines flight from Rio to Panama in one. So no, not everyone is “safe”.
Copa grounded their MAX 9’s last week
@@mariano_buitrago Not following the news, all i know is on the 9th I flew from Rio to Panama on 737 MAX 9 that had gone through generic "inspections", but for the leg Panama to JFK they did switch to a different plane model. The 737 MAX 9 had been scheduled for this leg too and they had to change to 737 800 so they could enter the US.
Bowen but tickly with the 737 there’s been a litany of mistakes for 5 to 6 years and if they keep on happening and the basics senior management are still in place then they have to go Boeing is that important that scared to make these very tough decision so the bottom line is would you want to fly on any 737 at this moment in time?
This Dezenhall fellow is just the sort of guy not needed in the Airline industry .... LETS LOOK ELSEWHERE ...
HEY BOEING, THIS IS THE RESULT OF OUTSOURCEING TO RIGHT TO WORK STATES! SKILLED LABOR IS NOT CHEAP, CHEAP LABOR IS NOT SKILLED! I've been in aerospace for over 35 years, Union and Non-union. Union you have the right to speak up, Non-union, keep your mouth shut and keep your job! STRICTLY SPEAKING FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE!
I have refused to fly in a Boeing 737 Max ever since the 2 crashes happened....And I will NEVER fly in these coffins of the sky, ever again.... Anyone who flies in them, must be totally crazy....
Check this TH-cam video.
'Not a good thing': Boeing whistleblower reacts to Alaska Airlines mid-flight incident
At 8.53 into the video, he is saying that the company has been REMOVING QUALITY CONTROL iNSPECTIONS. More than likely this is contributing to the 'sloppy' workmanship going out the door.
I wonder if Boeing is getting rid of its own INDEPENDENT Quality Control Inspectors and just relying on a few company employed designated FAA Inspectors to save money.
Some airlines are going down this road by removing Independent Quality Control Inspectors , (those individuals independent from production).
So QC is being 'watered down'.
It’s a symptom of US corporate culture.
EVERYTHING IS ABOUT THE SHARE PRICE TO ENSURE THE C SUITE EARN $50M a year in share options, the only real thing Boeing has concentrated on is share buy backs to manipulate share price.
US C Suites are the highest paid in the world and deliver poor performance.
BOEING, FORD, GM, ETC All have CEOs who are the highest paid in the world whilst overseeing the decline for those companies. EU, UK, CHINESE C SUITE earn less but deliver better results.
Airbus is not French......It's European. All the wings are made in the UK....
Instead of Quantity being job 1 in companies in this day and age, why doesn't the man or woman or team whose job or responsibility it is to tighten ALL those bolts or retainers have the authority to STOP production and get ALL the necessary parts needed to actually complete their job?
Yes I know it would cost more and slow the manufacturing process down, but isn't our safety worth it?
Would that not lessen the hit to Boeing's stock and get rid of the MD culture?
This is NOT an engineering problem. The plug was not improperly designed, it was never properly installed. This is a process/manufacturing problem. The guest lost all credibility after making that statement.