❤ So you snuck in "come be a part of the thing that God is up to" at the very end. That statement meant the most to me out of the whole video. Thanks Marty. I am sure trying hard.
Love it when you sit forward and lean in! 🤠 And YAAASSSS! Thank you! Tony sitting here saying, "Yep!" So good! FREEDOM in admitting being wrong... Definitely!
I love this perspective and insight to this conversation. I've always felt the Christian teachings at large about this passage have been missing something. Never been able to believe that "the teacher of Israel" would ask Jesus if he's just supposed to be born from his mom again. Thank you for putting this out, Marty.
Marty, this is so vital, a conversation for all who consider themselves holy. I know because I grew up under that religious thinking but considering who was being spoken to in the scripture, you used (John 3), we rarely think about who that person was and their position. If it was considered, maybe there wouldn't be so much religious confusion about who is hell bound or not. Thank you Marty, so much to study and meditate on. Thank you!
Thank you for this series Marty. To be wrapping up the gospels portion of this series with this teaching is heavy on my mind and heart, but believe that God is using you to share His word in a powerful way in our world today. A question I have (that I’m thinking I’ll learn part of the answer in your book) is how cyclical can this thought process be? There’s always people who think they have THE answer and gather some number of followers that are also looking for the “new” thing, and then when that gets old (be it months, years, decades, or generations down the road) they’re on to the next new thing. I think about many of Paul’s encouragements to hold to the truth, or teachings they had at first, and the condemnation given even to angels or himself if they bring another teaching different than the one originally brought to them. Is this like a pendulum that maybe we got too far to one side and then swing back too far the other way? Anyway, thank you for your insight and prompts to wrestle with the text!
Jeremiah 1:4,5 Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou canst forth out of the womb I sanctified thee... We were created (born) as spirits, in the "first world age" and we were born of our mother's womb, (born again) or of water. The man that was on the cross next to Jesus just had to believe in him for Jesus to say he'd see him in paradise. We are all on the same playing field. Our Father continues to "stretch out his arm" to us always.
Teacher, there is a commentary in my Jewish Study Bible regarding the "how can I" question by Nicodemas that references the 6 ways a Jew could be born again...conversion to Judaism, bar mitzvah, marriage, ordination as a rabbi, becoming head of a rabbinical school and being crowned as a king. Nicodemas had accomplished 4 of the 6 and was confused as to how he could possibly do anything further to be any more born again than he already was for his age and standing. Since you did not reference this cultural info, I am very curious as to whether you do not hold with this theory....or do not feel it is applicable here....or something else maybe. My intention is not to question your lesson (I have listened to all of the Kingdom series and am working my way thru the podcast), it is only that I am simply curious as to why this particular info wasn't a part of your teaching here. I so appreciate the depth and intensity I can trust in with your lessons for us! Thank you for your faithfulness!!
The idea that this passage has nothing to do with baptism or salvation is too far. The Church fathers since the 2nd all can't be wrong. I like the interpretation very much otherwise.
Our Religious pride is always going to be our struggle. It's has to be Jesus way or bust. Thank you Holy Spirit and Marty
❤ excellent thank you
So good!!!! This is why we need your book to understand the scriptures correctly. Always taught it had to do with baptism 😮
❤ So you snuck in "come be a part of the thing that God is up to" at the very end. That statement meant the most to me out of the whole video. Thanks Marty. I am sure trying hard.
Love it when you sit forward and lean in! 🤠 And YAAASSSS! Thank you! Tony sitting here saying, "Yep!" So good! FREEDOM in admitting being wrong... Definitely!
Love this so very much ❤ Thank you! (Ivy Brog)
I love this perspective and insight to this conversation. I've always felt the Christian teachings at large about this passage have been missing something. Never been able to believe that "the teacher of Israel" would ask Jesus if he's just supposed to be born from his mom again. Thank you for putting this out, Marty.
Awesome stuff. I learned a lot out of this. Thank you
Marty, this is so vital, a conversation for all who consider themselves holy. I know because I grew up under that religious thinking but considering who was being spoken to in the scripture, you used (John 3), we rarely think about who that person was and their position. If it was considered, maybe there wouldn't be so much religious confusion about who is hell bound or not. Thank you Marty, so much to study and meditate on. Thank you!
Great stuff Marty!
Thank you for this series Marty. To be wrapping up the gospels portion of this series with this teaching is heavy on my mind and heart, but believe that God is using you to share His word in a powerful way in our world today. A question I have (that I’m thinking I’ll learn part of the answer in your book) is how cyclical can this thought process be? There’s always people who think they have THE answer and gather some number of followers that are also looking for the “new” thing, and then when that gets old (be it months, years, decades, or generations down the road) they’re on to the next new thing. I think about many of Paul’s encouragements to hold to the truth, or teachings they had at first, and the condemnation given even to angels or himself if they bring another teaching different than the one originally brought to them. Is this like a pendulum that maybe we got too far to one side and then swing back too far the other way? Anyway, thank you for your insight and prompts to wrestle with the text!
Jeremiah 1:4,5
Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou canst forth out of the womb I sanctified thee...
We were created (born) as spirits, in the "first world age" and we were born of our mother's womb, (born again)
or of water.
The man that was on the cross next to Jesus just had to believe in him for Jesus to say he'd see him in paradise.
We are all on the same playing field. Our Father continues to "stretch out his arm" to us always.
So angels, cheribms etc. cannot be born again.
Teacher, there is a commentary in my Jewish Study Bible regarding the "how can I" question by Nicodemas that references the 6 ways a Jew could be born again...conversion to Judaism, bar mitzvah, marriage, ordination as a rabbi, becoming head of a rabbinical school and being crowned as a king. Nicodemas had accomplished 4 of the 6 and was confused as to how he could possibly do anything further to be any more born again than he already was for his age and standing. Since you did not reference this cultural info, I am very curious as to whether you do not hold with this theory....or do not feel it is applicable here....or something else maybe. My intention is not to question your lesson (I have listened to all of the Kingdom series and am working my way thru the podcast), it is only that I am simply curious as to why this particular info wasn't a part of your teaching here. I so appreciate the depth and intensity I can trust in with your lessons for us! Thank you for your faithfulness!!
I’ve never heard that take. Doesn’t mean it’s wrong, there’s some interesting stuff in there!
@@coveredinhisdust yes, I thot so too! 😃
To me it a change of heart new creation ,cuz Jesus never preached nothing about born again and prosperity
The idea that this passage has nothing to do with baptism or salvation is too far. The Church fathers since the 2nd all can't be wrong. I like the interpretation very much otherwise.