I have found, in listen to BEMA, that I have become much more comfortable sitting with the Questions then I was in trying to have all of the answers. Thank you so much Marty and the BEMA Team!
Yes I agree . Heiser had unveiled so many truths of-reading scripture in its TRUE context . Has many teachings on you tube by Heiser. Of course he’s a teacher… aids in showing all that the Bible wasn’t written n TO US in the 21st century. He wrote TO the 1st and 2nd Temple Jew.. their worldview.. they understood the unseen realm…. Blessings to alljust please seek out Heisers guidance. He has helped many
If we are going to say that contextually Satan is not referenced in Isaiah and Ezekiel because the kings of Babylon and Tyre are specifically mentioned, we must apply the same hermeneutic to the 'Messianic' psalms where David is describing his own experience. Such limitations are impositions on the text that the Bible doesn't do, in fact the psalms are mentioned directly in the new testament with explicit reference to Jesus. In the same way we apply aspects of the psalms that clearly didn't happen to David, (they pierced my hands and feet) so it's perfectly reasonable to say that the king of Tyre was clearly not in Eden. This isn't stretching the text at all, it's using the new testament authors to help read and understand the spiritual import of the scriptures.
Good thought. I would think hermeneutically, that the text/scripture is moving clearly toward a messiah and the events are foretelling his coming and purpose. I don't know that the push of scripture is to foretell Satan. So, it's still a good hermeneutic to see these texts pointing to the messiah and the events they describe and separate satan from those texts, which aren't common. I see people misapply OT passages to America. I could say the same thing; if we can't apply these to America then these can't be applied to the messiah. I do think Satan is real, but don't know about the back story that's been applied from those passages.
When I asked myself why I wonder about satan…I think I was in the realm of asking, could God be good and create a known adversary that would allow evil to exist if ALL GOOD THINGS COME FROM GOD? The answer…UNDOUBTEDLY GOD IS GOOD. So I’m left wondering am I even capable of identifying evil as a human…it’s just no way around the mushiness lol
I struggle with that as well. If God is all knowing and all-powerful, then He must have knowingly created Satan knowing he would rebel, and he created the tree of knowledge of good and evil knowing that Adam and Eve would take of it and eat. If He's all powerful, wouldn't he have a solution to all this before it even happened? Unless He himself is bound by a set of actions. People always talk about God's intended path for humanity, but wouldn't He know what path would ultimately come to pass?
@@xXESproductionsXx You sound like you've been in my head! LOL. Since becoming a parent, I can report that allowing free will and announcing healthy boundaries and consequences are the best I can do for my kids. It's almost like God allowed humans this responsibility to get a sense of what he's dealing with (and his immeasurable patience). :)
Thank you for your thoughts on this subject. I too have been pondering this created entity. I like researching the Hebraic understanding and 2 commentaries agreed that hasatan is the adversary. What was very interesting was that the adversary was not given a name. Unfortunately we fall into false doctrine when we follow "man's" understanding and not YHVH's. Sad to say, man gave the adversary a name, and took YHVH's name away, (the Lord). It keeps us from that intimacy with our Heavenly Father through Yeshua, but in turn, we get to know our adversary up close and personal? Oooo, not good. Many times we ourselves become hasatan when we are contrary, perverted in our ways if it is not Torah. Like when Yeshua told Peter, Get thee behind me hasatan! He was contrary to the plan of YHVH. So I too, like you ponder, but as we continue to "die to self" and obey His commands, because of His covenant, He will guide and protect us, and continue in this journey. Shalom!
Being a literalist, do you believe there was a real "person" tempting Jesus in the wilderness? But if Satan is just a title for the adversary, was it demonic forces tempting Jesus? But that would go against your literalist perspective. You confuse me Marty. 😁 BTW I'm a literalist too. And I do believe Jesus was tempted by a real "person." But now I'm wondering was that entity in spirit form? Why wouldn't the gospel just say that then? Now I'm REALLY confused! Thanks a lot Marty. 🙄
That's about the size of it for me too. Just letting my mind wander here, but if Jesus could address Peter with: "Get behind me, Satan", then whomever he encountered in the wilderness could be anyone-maybe even a misguided Essene.
Just stumbled on to this guy’s video’s. Idk, something seems off. Explaining the demonic as “things pushing against us” and not a literal devil. It seems this is what you get when anyone can be there own pope and interpret scripture without the magisterium.
The demons are the evil spirits who were the “Watchers.” The fallen angels who became giants. The book of Enoch mentions the giants became evil spirits on the earth. They were all destroyed at the judgment in 70AD.
Why are we talking about Satan in this manner? I’m not lost at all! Is Satan real? Answer is …. Yes! There’s no discussion around the reality of who Satan is, how he causes us to stray from the written Word of God or that Old Serpents future. God tells to study His Word, to go through it line by line, precept by precept. Every time someone took it upon themselves to do what’s being done here has answered to God. It’s written, go and see. Study and make yourself approved unto God.
I have found, in listen to BEMA, that I have become much more comfortable sitting with the Questions then I was in trying to have all of the answers. Thank you so much Marty and the BEMA Team!
FANTASTIC! Thank you Marty
A book I can recommend: Michael Heiser. The unseen realm. I think it is closer to the truth than your story.
Yes I agree . Heiser had unveiled so many truths of-reading scripture in its TRUE context . Has many teachings on you tube by Heiser. Of course he’s a teacher… aids in showing all that the Bible wasn’t written n TO US in the 21st century. He wrote TO the 1st and 2nd Temple Jew.. their worldview.. they understood the unseen realm…. Blessings to alljust please seek out Heisers guidance. He has helped many
You are on a roll with these videos Marty!😤😤😤
Tagged you on IG after listening. Created new Leviathan art. Thank you Marty
If we are going to say that contextually Satan is not referenced in Isaiah and Ezekiel because the kings of Babylon and Tyre are specifically mentioned, we must apply the same hermeneutic to the 'Messianic' psalms where David is describing his own experience. Such limitations are impositions on the text that the Bible doesn't do, in fact the psalms are mentioned directly in the new testament with explicit reference to Jesus.
In the same way we apply aspects of the psalms that clearly didn't happen to David, (they pierced my hands and feet) so it's perfectly reasonable to say that the king of Tyre was clearly not in Eden.
This isn't stretching the text at all, it's using the new testament authors to help read and understand the spiritual import of the scriptures.
Good thought. I would think hermeneutically, that the text/scripture is moving clearly toward a messiah and the events are foretelling his coming and purpose. I don't know that the push of scripture is to foretell Satan. So, it's still a good hermeneutic to see these texts pointing to the messiah and the events they describe and separate satan from those texts, which aren't common. I see people misapply OT passages to America. I could say the same thing; if we can't apply these to America then these can't be applied to the messiah.
I do think Satan is real, but don't know about the back story that's been applied from those passages.
I'm glad you said you don't have all the answers.
When I asked myself why I wonder about satan…I think I was in the realm of asking, could God be good and create a known adversary that would allow evil to exist if ALL GOOD THINGS COME FROM GOD? The answer…UNDOUBTEDLY GOD IS GOOD. So I’m left wondering am I even capable of identifying evil as a human…it’s just no way around the mushiness lol
I struggle with that as well. If God is all knowing and all-powerful, then He must have knowingly created Satan knowing he would rebel, and he created the tree of knowledge of good and evil knowing that Adam and Eve would take of it and eat. If He's all powerful, wouldn't he have a solution to all this before it even happened? Unless He himself is bound by a set of actions.
People always talk about God's intended path for humanity, but wouldn't He know what path would ultimately come to pass?
@@xXESproductionsXx You sound like you've been in my head! LOL. Since becoming a parent, I can report that allowing free will and announcing healthy boundaries and consequences are the best I can do for my kids. It's almost like God allowed humans this responsibility to get a sense of what he's dealing with (and his immeasurable patience). :)
fantastic brain stretch! 🙂
Thank you for your thoughts on this subject. I too have been pondering this created entity. I like researching the Hebraic understanding and 2 commentaries agreed that hasatan is the adversary. What was very interesting was that the adversary was not given a name. Unfortunately we fall into false doctrine when we follow "man's" understanding and not YHVH's. Sad to say, man gave the adversary a name, and took YHVH's name away, (the Lord). It keeps us from that intimacy with our Heavenly Father through Yeshua, but in turn, we get to know our adversary up close and personal? Oooo, not good. Many times we ourselves become hasatan when we are contrary, perverted in our ways if it is not Torah. Like when Yeshua told Peter, Get thee behind me hasatan! He was contrary to the plan of YHVH. So I too, like you ponder, but as we continue to "die to self" and obey His commands, because of His covenant, He will guide and protect us, and continue in this journey. Shalom!
Being a literalist, do you believe there was a real "person" tempting Jesus in the wilderness? But if Satan is just a title for the adversary, was it demonic forces tempting Jesus? But that would go against your literalist perspective. You confuse me Marty. 😁
BTW I'm a literalist too. And I do believe Jesus was tempted by a real "person." But now I'm wondering was that entity in spirit form? Why wouldn't the gospel just say that then? Now I'm REALLY confused! Thanks a lot Marty. 🙄
That's about the size of it for me too. Just letting my mind wander here, but if Jesus could address Peter with: "Get behind me, Satan", then whomever he encountered in the wilderness could be anyone-maybe even a misguided Essene.
Just stumbled on to this guy’s video’s. Idk, something seems off. Explaining the demonic as “things pushing against us” and not a literal devil. It seems this is what you get when anyone can be there own pope and interpret scripture without the magisterium.
I've reached a conclusion about who demons are, at least one that works for me. Disembodies spirits of dead nephilim from Genesis 6.
I’m confused? What if you put God in place of where you just used the name Satan? What’s real?
The demons are the evil spirits who were the “Watchers.” The fallen angels who became giants. The book of Enoch mentions the giants became evil spirits on the earth. They were all destroyed at the judgment in 70AD.
I do not believe "satan" is a cognitive entity. So, there's that :-)
Why are we talking about Satan in this manner? I’m not lost at all! Is Satan real? Answer is …. Yes! There’s no discussion around the reality of who Satan is, how he causes us to stray from the written Word of God or that Old Serpents future. God tells to study His Word, to go through it line by line, precept by precept. Every time someone took it upon themselves to do what’s being done here has answered to God. It’s written, go and see. Study and make yourself approved unto God.
Interesting. Seems the more I learn the less I know.
Oh Marty…. I love your teachings but sometimes it does my head in 😱🫣🤔😵💫🙃 I guess that’s what we call Wrestling with the Text. Love it though 😊