Thank you everyone for watching and supporting this video series. I know this sounds cliche, but your opinions are valuable for me. I hear what people say and I appreciate all the feedback. Having said that, I’d like to mention that I admittedly forgot about super 17. I’m really sorry if this disappointed you. He’s supposed to be above Majuub. And I would have possibly debated for him to be above Gogeta and Vegito in DBZ. As for Super 13, he’s not considered a fusion as he absorbed the other androids parts in his body. Lastly, for that one person who said kefla is stronger than Vegito blue…..get some help.
10:40 if this list is going by strength then the universe 6 namekians should be toward to top of the list at least above Dbz gogeta and vegeto respectfully
I'm so glad someone finally gave zamasu credit. I really don't understand how people can underestimate him considering he fought literally vegito in a super saiyan blue state.
@@lightinstinct707 the anime is canon for dbs too so they did not fuck up the scalling, infact you could argue the anime is more canon in dbs because all of the merch and games and shows follow the anime.
@@pizzadeliveryspringtrap9152 @mbulut9896 both of yall are wrong vegito blasted vegito in half in base and proceeded to eat a senzu bean and go blue. the manga is the true canon as it has toriyamas involvement and the show is just an adaptation that went wrong. Vegito is also the strongest fusion ever shown even so better than gogeta by such a huge margin its basically immeasurable. these claims come from MANY different credible sources such as Daizenshuu, chozenshuu, "Super Exciting Guide", etc.
@@kimkaur6251 dbs anime is not an adaptation of the manga, the anime and the manga both have the influince of toriyama and both are canon. It's just that the dbs anime is more popular and has more merch and stuff than the manga. You are infact the one who is wrong here.
I'm GLAD u put Gogeta Blue as the STRONGEST FUSION as of now. People forget that Goku & Vegeta have exponentially grown in power from the FT arc up to the Broly film, it just makes sense that Gogeta Blue would be levels above.
What's even funnier is that I'm pretty sure in the sub Omega Shenron says something in the vain of "and now with this power I have the power of that of a god of destruction" while fighting Goku and Vegeta in their ssj4 forms. While of course I'm not saying Toei and whoever were working on GT had this 4D chess of a 15yr wait to pay off on that one specific line, but it along with Ssj4 Gogeta having red hair is just such an awesome coincidence.
Janemba wasnt erased. Janemba is the little boy working for Yemma who is corrupted by the evil within the machine. When Gogeta uses the Stardust Breaker he eliminates all the evil within Janemba transforming him back to the child thats why we don't see Janemba when he is defeated. You can make an argument that he was still erased but you can't deny that the kid and Janemba are the same person as it's literally the whole reason the movie happens. Hope this clears up any confusion. (as a side note the reason Gogeta smiled was because he was able to save the kid as that was his true goal)
While you are technically correct, that little demon boy doesn't have a name, and Janemba is specifically the name of the being made from the evil ki. He was basically used as a building block.
To build on the previous comment, technically "Janemba" is the evil energy that corrupt that boy. The boy was simply a vessel, not the origin, of that evil energy.
I think you’re forgetting that the stuff that falls on the kid and creates Janemba was created from the souls of evil people, so saying Janemba is the same as the kid is like saying Gogeta is the same as Goku
I mean, imma be real, people sleep hard on SSJ4 Gogeta and especially Majuub. SSJ3 GT Goku (before he got his tail grown out) got bodied by a Baby Vegeta literally in less then a second (the version of Baby where he still looks like Vegeta, but with lines on his face and white hair) and in the GT Perfect Files, they stated that the Forms of Baby are actually SSJ like Forms, Baby Vegeta being similar to SSJ, Super Baby being similar to a SSJ2, and finally Super Baby 2 being similar to a SSJ3 (which I guess that also automatically confirms that GT Vegeta has SSJ3?) and when Goku came back with his tail grown out, Super Baby 2 tossed him around like he was just a Ragdoll, but Majuub was able to go tow to tow with Super Baby 2, and actually had a better chance at beating Baby. And of course there’s what you’ve said about SSJ4, it doesn’t have a specific multiple, making it more like the Ultimate Form, which another thing, that’s crazy as F, I mean, the best way to tell how Powerful SSJ4 Gogeta is, is by thinking of how Powerful a Ultimate Gogeta would be, spoiler, he’s cracked, but just wanted to add one little thing you forgot to add about SSJ4, it was stated in the Show by Goku, specifically in the Eis Shenron fight and at some point while fighting Syn Shenron, that SSJ4 “Evolves and Adapts/Learns while in battle”, Goku 1st said this when he broke out of Eis Shenrons Freezing Beam, and the 2nd time he said it was when he was blind while fighting Syn Shenron, so SSJ4 Goku Adapted to Eis Shenrons Freezing Beam and eventually Adapted to being blind, that’s pretty crazy if you ask me.
@@mauricesimpkinsii4683 by the Community yes, but by the Officially Licensed GT Perfect Files it says otherwise, since never has the official series said that SSJ4 is just 10x SSJ3, that was only ever made up by the community.
9:27 i always imagined kid buu being weaker than fat buu, or at least on a similar power scale. so the reason he was considered the most dangerous form was because he was totally unpredictable and could not be tricked or reasoned with since he was evil personified. and the reason the fight with him was such a struggle was that everyone involved was extremely low on stamina from the previous fight as well as being absorbed
one of the issues with characters like cell and buu is that people forget the 2 characters were so powerful the manga needed to forget about their powers to make sure they could be eliminated. more powerful than x character at the time or not are irrelevant because what beat them was the writing
"What beat them was the writing". You realise this isn't real life, right? Ofcourse the writing did it, that's kinda how stories work. They don't write themselves. Such a dumb comment and you see it so often too.
@@markky3050 i realize that at your iq you failed to comprehend what was said and got triggered. it is ok though kiddo, eventually someone might be able to break it down enough for someone of your near total lack of intelligence to be able to understand
From a storytelling perspective, Potaras in Dragonball Z were more effective than Fusion Dance for a good reason: The downside. Back in Dragonball Z, we believed that Potara fusion was permanent according to the Elder Kai, making using this fusion a risk for the user since they would never be themselves anymore. It makes the Potara earrings a last resort, unlike Fusion that can be used anytime as long as it's performed correctly since the fusion only last 30 minutes at best. The end of the potara fusions inside of Buu was not expected and could have been the result of Buu being made with magic, thing that could have messed with the fusion. Sadly, Dragonball Super retconned this by saying than Potara fusion was only permanent for Gods. That retcon made it that now there is no good reason to not use the Potara earrings during every difficult fight since they are easy to use and have no downside anymore...
Technically the retcon happened in buu because vegeto wasn’t able to defuse if so just they decided to give a explanation than oh buu somehow spilt goku and vegeta up just by existing
Except that going Super Saiyan Blue burned up the Potara fusion in a matter of minutes at the most. I understand that the new rules cheapened the Potara fusion a bit, but it's still not a free pass to victory. It is the easier way to fuse though, assuming they have the earrings handy.
@@levievil9220 No, the explanation given is that "their immense power level must have drained the time much faster." He also did not defuse after powering up to full power but in the middle of an attack. I honestly have no idea where you got your idea from, but it doesn't fit with what we saw in the show at all.
@@KingStickthefirst did you know it is cannon that potara is stronger then fusion so this ranking is not real since vegito blue would still be stronger then gogeta blue since potara is always stronger then fusion dance
@@HakrTheAnimator by that logic, neither has Gogeta in canon. He only has one canon fight. If Vegito not finishing off Buuhan and Zamasu doesn’t count as a win. The Gogeta never finished Broly off either. So he doesn’t have a win either by that logic.
Gogeta blue in the movie was animated so beautifully! That alone makes him my favorite fusion so far. Ssj4 gogeta comes 2nd, together with vegito from buu arc. The humor and mockery is what makes it such a fun character.
Ay moodzi, in manga kefla got beaten by ultimate gohan so idk man, i think they just wanted to buff her up in the anime so that's why they had goku use ui
Let's clarify something as a person who translates and can read Japanese the original manga and the Daizenshuu never once stated Potara's are stronger. It used the kanji that describes a greater effect which easily could mean it's more useful as at that time has no time limit and drawbacks. Also there are multiple guides stating Gogeta to be the strongest fusion back in Z. 最あ 強の 融世 合で !! 実験 現 The anime comic guide released for the anime continuity called Gogeta the strongest fusion that was realized in Fusion Reborn. Also they did a comparison between Gogeta and Vegito back in 1995 and it also stated that Gogeta is able to draw out more power, mind body and soul which would allow him to win in a short fight. The Super Exciting guide also gives Gogeta the same multiplier that Vegito has meaning Goku x Vegeta makes Gogeta. Another thing it would make sense for the harder fusion to perform to be stronger than a simple easy fusion. Btw Herms also covered this and agreed not only is it vague what Old Kai stated about Potara having a greater effect but if they wanted to be specific they would have said in strength and not be vague.
@@A107-v9e Herms even agrees with what I said I got it from him you cry baby. Care to challenge me on information and facts and scans so I can embarrass you
@@A107-v9e I'm waiting so I can school you it's so funny how fans like you who have no basic English ability let alone Japanese. Herms already did a cover on this on his twitter and he's himself said that it's vague and no real answer. Do you know more Japanese than Herms I'm waiting
Fused Zamasu, a fusion between a dude with goku/vegeta's blue power and a god that maybe is around ssj3 level can rival against Vegitto blue is something I'll never be able to comprehend
I like Vegito because he's balanced by how he is formed. Potara have to be obtained from a supreme Kai just to be able to be used a fusion method, meaning Zamasu unwittingly eliminated the ability for Vegito's kind of fusion to exist when he killed the kais in Trunks's future. 2 Supreme Kais had to travel by time ring just for Vegito to even be able to make an appearance there. Gogeta may be the strongest regularly available fusion but there's no reason outside of plot that Vegito can't remain at least competitive with him. Beerus taking advice from Whis in the T.O.P is the ONLY reason there's been no modern Vegito appearance to accurately compare to Broly movie Gogeta.
SSJ4 Gogeta's red hair could also indicate that he is almost a SSG considering Goten,Trunks and Gohan gave Goku their power to fight Omega Shenron and he fuses with Vegeta making it 4/5 required SSJs to achive SSG
Great video Moodzi, and because of your great DB content, you’ve just gained yourself a new subscriber, HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!! (In my villainous laugh) great work 👍🏿
9:11 The reason people say that is because Goku gradually got stronger. It's not like it's a new concept, Goku got like 1000x stronger in the TOP too. Gotenks and Gohan were stronger than SS3 Goku against Buu, but Goku got stronger (perhaps from Elder Kai giving him life, fighting Buuhan, and Fusion?) Inside Buu he was going toe to toe with a creature as strong as Gohan while he was in just SS form, and Vegeta was going toe to toe with SS3 Gotenks and Piccolo. Yes it's anime "filler" but it's still there and it happened. You can't just ignore feats like that just because it didn't happen in the manga. That's not how anime works. Goku as a SS2 was fighting Kid Buu, and holding his own, just like he was holding his own against Ultimate Gohan inside Buu. But he needed to go SS3 to continue the fight and he still lost. It's an easy powerscale to assume Kid Buu is as above Ultimate Gohan SS3 Gotenks and Super Buu from that alone. Nobody is stupid to assume either theory because in the end, they're both theories. And due to bad writing and inconsistent power scaling you would be justified to think either theory.
Elder Kai said it himself that Fusion with potara is not only easier and faster... but STRONGER than the Fusion dance. So in any time frame that Gogeta exists, vegito wouldve been a better fusion at that moment. For example... Gogeta was powerful Vs Broly... but if they had Potaras in that moment, vegito wouldve been even stronger.
I'm curious where manga fused Zamasu would end up on this list? By the end of his arc, he lost his corruption weakness and could likely split into countless copies of himself. It wasn't long before he got erased by Zeno, but I would assume that he was stronger than the Vegito Blue that he fought.
zamasu in general is a very strong fusion and could be logically the stronger fusion than most since his doesn't have a timeout and he is also immortal, needing hakai or complete erasure, all brodie really gotta do is wait
Nah. Demon king piccolo. He merges with Kami, The demon king, and nail. Becoming the true namekion with no name, since technically King piccolo is a different person then our piccolo. A fusion could be insane
@@abishkarjungshah4539 It's actually a crazy multiplier for how weak the person being fused is. Nail's 40k increased Namek Piccolo over 10 times, making him above Frieza's 1000,000+
Hit, is by far my favorite character! Jiren, gets my recognition for being the strongest. And Vegeta, gets my respect for the most driven and impressive! Goku, seems to be the most well-rounded character.
The rival boost is not a canon thing it’s just speculation from fans. If rivals fusing gave them a boost there’s no reason the dance wouldn’t have granted them an extra boost as well. Also bring more effective doesn’t mean stronger, old Kai never stated that the potara was would’ve made the fusion stronger or the resulting fusion was stronger he just said the method was better. Also something to clear up is that two people having to match power levels to perform the fusion dance does not mean that the power at which the two performing the dance is the power that is multiplied to produce the resulting fusions base power level. Again this is mostly all just fan speculation since we have no concrete statements or evidence based around that.
Your right about the first point as for the second one For the dance to work both participants have to be symmetrical in everything from dance timing to positioning and most notably power so let’s say that the dance Xs the two power’s together for connivance sake So A has a power level of 10 while B has a power level of 7 so for the dance to work A would have to lower his power level to 7 resulting in a fusion of 49 while potara doesn’t have to do that so instead A could stay at 10 while B is still at 7 creating a fusion with a power level of 70 hope this cleared this up for you
The rival boost is a thing tho? Its said in "El Manga Legendario" and the "Super exciting guide", which are both canon. and in one they just say that the fusion of Goku and Gohan would've been weaker than Vegito
@@moodzi1322 okay but you mentioned absorption, which many would argue is technically a form of fusion. In that same veign, Baby and Zamasu physical change Goku and Vegeta. With Baby causing mutated Super Saiyan forms, And Zamasu mutating Super Saiyan Blue (or normal SSJ whichever one believes) as well as magnifies his zenkai boost. So I feel like thsoe two specifically could be argued as fusions, as the end result is something they cant reach on their own.
@@RtistiqSkubie I watched the whole video, i've simply forgotten it all by now however. Did you read? Because if you did, you would realize I rod the need to cover all of baby's body controls and simplified it to two people. Weather he agrees or not, that's up to him and irrelivent. I'm simply laying a question and support for said question...bruh.
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i hope soon you make a video on who is the strongest character in the budokai games that is only in the game cellin, teincha, etc. but this is a nice video!
I can feel this is gonna be very objective and NON debatable 😏 Edit : Hey, not bad, I don't think I got anything to say against your top actually, and it was nicely explained, good job 👍
Power levels are b.s. but this video here made it digestible for me to understand how power scaling (in dragonball) works just as long as you got the right sources to back it up (along with context of course)
I disagree when you say Gotenks as a SSJ3 is more powerful than Goku’s SSJ3. When Goku was trying to hold off Super Buu so he could fuse with Gohan he did so when Buu had already absorbed Piccolo and Gotenks; now Super Buu was stronger than Goku before Gotenks’ fusion had run out but it still stands Goku held him off. When the fusion did run out and became Buuiccolo, Goku said: “You don’t plan to beat me like that, do you?”
Gogeta from Fusion reborn is my favorite feeling, I remember the first time I saw it, and the no bullshit attitude he displayed, was such a new thing in Dragon Ball at the time. The rest of the ENTIRE SERIES even to date, nobody ever seems to take shit as seriously as he did, aside from Piccolo perhaps, he is usually the voice of actual reason after all. Anyways, Just dropping that here, Gogeta Blue from the Broly movie didn't give me the same feeling ngl.
You just can’t top SSJ4 Gogeta. Him and Fusion reborn Gogeta are the only fusions to not be touched at all. Given that SSJ4 defused quickly and blue Gogeta lasted 30 minutes, it’s pretty clear SSJ4 Gogeta is miles stronger than anything Super has to offer.
1.Potara combines two fighters and gives potara boost but to perform fusion dance one of the fighter who is stronger than other have to low his power to match other fighter and that is the downside of fusion dance.Fusion dance gives boost but not as much as potara. So,potara is stronger.Also potara earing would not break easily because it is protected by aura/ki.Also Vegito's barrier technic would be useful for protecting his earings. 2.Potara fusion has twice as time compare to fusion dance.Remember when gotenks was out of fusion time quickly for using ssj3 yea so fusion dance also drains time and thats why fusion dance also has a time limit for using too much power.Even in the broly movie gogeta was only shown for 4 or 5 minutes and gogeta was playing with broly. So that means gogeta wasn't even using his full power. It could also mean fusion dance wouldn’t even be fused for 5 minutes if user is using ssjb with full power. In other hand potara would last for 5 or more minutes than fusion dance does for using ssjb with full power. So,potara will always have more time than fusion dance.(it is not proven anywhere yet so keep in mind that what i am telling you is from the canon series.*IT IS NOT A HEADCANON*) 3.Talking about job done. In boo arc vegito was far stronger than buu,thats why he was bullying boo and if he killed boo then everyone inside boo had been dead so only way to defeat boo was to get in his body so vegito went to his body that was all vegito's plan. In zamasu arc Vegito gave a good beating to fused zamasu and when zamasu became tired of fighting Vegito.then trunks takes the credit to kill zamasu with the spirit sword but didn’t work and zeno erased the universe from existence.Well both gets the job done. So you can’t tell Vegito was bullying every single opponent he does it for a reason.*important thing zamasu was defeated by zeno. So zamasu's immortality was the reason vegito couldn’t finish him*
Ok, ngl I kinda see SSJ4 Gogeta as a sort of Super Saiyan God ONLY because Goku had 4 saiyans of pure heart give him energy before he then fused with Vegeta making that 5 Pure Hearted Saiyans, giving energy to 1 pure hearted Saiyan, making a Super Saiyan God
I agree but i dont it wouldnt be fair if you used the vegito of the black arc you could do a hypotetical vegito broly arc would probably would have finished faster so i dont really agree
Android 13. He is considered a fusion warrior in legends along with Super 17 and Omega (I think, don't quote me on Super 17 and Omega.) Everyone else on this list is also a fusion warrior...
You’re right about super 17 I completely forgot about him and I’m sorry. As for omega and super 13 I count them as absorptions. Just like nova shenron wasn’t willing to be absorbed by omega
It would depends on how strong gohan is in the manga? Should you believe manga gohan and anime gohan are around equal then that would make kefla around the same ranking. However, due to the lack of evidence I would assume she’s weaker than Vegito and Gogeta but comfortably stronger than gotenks.
Thank you everyone for watching and supporting this video series. I know this sounds cliche, but your opinions are valuable for me. I hear what people say and I appreciate all the feedback. Having said that, I’d like to mention that I admittedly forgot about super 17. I’m really sorry if this disappointed you. He’s supposed to be above Majuub. And I would have possibly debated for him to be above Gogeta and Vegito in DBZ. As for Super 13, he’s not considered a fusion as he absorbed the other androids parts in his body. Lastly, for that one person who said kefla is stronger than Vegito blue…..get some help.
Hey @moodzi1322 Great Video ,But What about Agnilasa (Anime) ?,Isn’t he considered a fusion technically ? And where would he rank on the list ?
Perfect list
4:58 - 5:12 For the record, it was officially stated that Shin was stronger than Piccolo during the Majin Buu saga.
I really enjoyed this video I was literally sitting on the edge of my seat listening to every word😊
10:40 if this list is going by strength then the universe 6 namekians should be toward to top of the list at least above Dbz gogeta and vegeto respectfully
I'm so glad someone finally gave zamasu credit. I really don't understand how people can underestimate him considering he fought literally vegito in a super saiyan blue state.
I mean reading the manga he stood no chance and got blasted in half by base vegito. The anime likes to fuck up the scaling
@@lightinstinct707 the anime is canon for dbs too so they did not fuck up the scalling, infact you could argue the anime is more canon in dbs because all of the merch and games and shows follow the anime.
@@lightinstinct707what base vegito? He was blue the whole fight in the manga
@@pizzadeliveryspringtrap9152 @mbulut9896 both of yall are wrong vegito blasted vegito in half in base and proceeded to eat a senzu bean and go blue. the manga is the true canon as it has toriyamas involvement and the show is just an adaptation that went wrong. Vegito is also the strongest fusion ever shown even so better than gogeta by such a huge margin its basically immeasurable. these claims come from MANY different credible sources such as Daizenshuu, chozenshuu, "Super Exciting Guide", etc.
@@kimkaur6251 dbs anime is not an adaptation of the manga, the anime and the manga both have the influince of toriyama and both are canon. It's just that the dbs anime is more popular and has more merch and stuff than the manga. You are infact the one who is wrong here.
I'm GLAD u put Gogeta Blue as the STRONGEST FUSION as of now. People forget that Goku & Vegeta have exponentially grown in power from the FT arc up to the Broly film, it just makes sense that Gogeta Blue would be levels above.
Forget that I'm more confused on how he put ssj4 gogeta FROM GT above kefla
@@King45321he didn’t put ssj4 Gogeta stronger. He just mentioned that he’s so strong.
@@A107-v9e dafaq
@@King45321you didn’t understand what I said?
@@King45321I didn’t tho 😕
Fusion Zamasu is by far my favourite fusion ever. Everything is on point, his design, his attacks, his lines. He is truly perfect.
In Super, I love his design. I always wondered what his hair would look like in his base state?
@@brmawe I think it would look like base Goku's hair, but white.
IKR merged zamasu is awesome
*Cell has entered the chat*
He's pretty cool
What's even funnier is that I'm pretty sure in the sub Omega Shenron says something in the vain of "and now with this power I have the power of that of a god of destruction" while fighting Goku and Vegeta in their ssj4 forms.
While of course I'm not saying Toei and whoever were working on GT had this 4D chess of a 15yr wait to pay off on that one specific line, but it along with Ssj4 Gogeta having red hair is just such an awesome coincidence.
Wasn't perfect cell at one point mentioned to be a god of destruction when he first appeared
@@zenkaiformsyeah
Gogeta having red hair is because gogeta would’ve just looked like ssj4 goku
@@yeetnessthegreater1298 I know, hence why I said it was an awesome coincidence
I like how Kefla showing her cake in the thumbnail
Bro is down bad and is _NOT_ afraid to show it
She knows what shes got back there
Legit the only reason I clicked on this video
Same
@@konkydong3487down horrendous 💀
Janemba wasnt erased. Janemba is the little boy working for Yemma who is corrupted by the evil within the machine. When Gogeta uses the Stardust Breaker he eliminates all the evil within Janemba transforming him back to the child thats why we don't see Janemba when he is defeated. You can make an argument that he was still erased but you can't deny that the kid and Janemba are the same person as it's literally the whole reason the movie happens. Hope this clears up any confusion. (as a side note the reason Gogeta smiled was because he was able to save the kid as that was his true goal)
While you are technically correct, that little demon boy doesn't have a name, and Janemba is specifically the name of the being made from the evil ki. He was basically used as a building block.
To build on the previous comment, technically "Janemba" is the evil energy that corrupt that boy. The boy was simply a vessel, not the origin, of that evil energy.
*soul punisher
@@welcomeboi8991you are the first person in this comment section that actually used the right name.
I think you’re forgetting that the stuff that falls on the kid and creates Janemba was created from the souls of evil people, so saying Janemba is the same as the kid is like saying Gogeta is the same as Goku
I mean, imma be real, people sleep hard on SSJ4 Gogeta and especially Majuub.
SSJ3 GT Goku (before he got his tail grown out) got bodied by a Baby Vegeta literally in less then a second (the version of Baby where he still looks like Vegeta, but with lines on his face and white hair) and in the GT Perfect Files, they stated that the Forms of Baby are actually SSJ like Forms, Baby Vegeta being similar to SSJ, Super Baby being similar to a SSJ2, and finally Super Baby 2 being similar to a SSJ3 (which I guess that also automatically confirms that GT Vegeta has SSJ3?) and when Goku came back with his tail grown out, Super Baby 2 tossed him around like he was just a Ragdoll, but Majuub was able to go tow to tow with Super Baby 2, and actually had a better chance at beating Baby.
And of course there’s what you’ve said about SSJ4, it doesn’t have a specific multiple, making it more like the Ultimate Form, which another thing, that’s crazy as F, I mean, the best way to tell how Powerful SSJ4 Gogeta is, is by thinking of how Powerful a Ultimate Gogeta would be, spoiler, he’s cracked, but just wanted to add one little thing you forgot to add about SSJ4, it was stated in the Show by Goku, specifically in the Eis Shenron fight and at some point while fighting Syn Shenron, that SSJ4 “Evolves and Adapts/Learns while in battle”, Goku 1st said this when he broke out of Eis Shenrons Freezing Beam, and the 2nd time he said it was when he was blind while fighting Syn Shenron, so SSJ4 Goku Adapted to Eis Shenrons Freezing Beam and eventually Adapted to being blind, that’s pretty crazy if you ask me.
The obligatory "people sleep on ssj4" statement when everyone's favorite fusion is ssj4 gogeta. It's such a beaten down statement jesus.
Super saiyan 4 is actually stated to be 10x stronger than super saiyan 3
@@mauricesimpkinsii4683 It's kind of false when you look at the scaling. When has that ever been stated tho?
@@mauricesimpkinsii4683 by the Community yes, but by the Officially Licensed GT Perfect Files it says otherwise, since never has the official series said that SSJ4 is just 10x SSJ3, that was only ever made up by the community.
@@lordraiden7397 I say “People sleep on SSJ4” as in, People sleep on SSJ4s Power, Abilities ect, I’m not talking about popularity.
23:41 "but hey it's just a theory"
Matpat flashbacks strikes in*
I’m really happy that Zamasu finally got credit since he’s quite underrated.
9:27 i always imagined kid buu being weaker than fat buu, or at least on a similar power scale. so the reason he was considered the most dangerous form was because he was totally unpredictable and could not be tricked or reasoned with since he was evil personified. and the reason the fight with him was such a struggle was that everyone involved was extremely low on stamina from the previous fight as well as being absorbed
fat buu was weaker because absorbing grand kai supressed his power
one of the issues with characters like cell and buu is that people forget the 2 characters were so powerful the manga needed to forget about their powers to make sure they could be eliminated. more powerful than x character at the time or not are irrelevant because what beat them was the writing
"What beat them was the writing".
You realise this isn't real life, right? Ofcourse the writing did it, that's kinda how stories work. They don't write themselves. Such a dumb comment and you see it so often too.
@@markky3050 i realize that at your iq you failed to comprehend what was said and got triggered. it is ok though kiddo, eventually someone might be able to break it down enough for someone of your near total lack of intelligence to be able to understand
Kefla witt that gyaatt in the thumbnail 👌
Down bad😹😭
She should do the rump shacker
From a storytelling perspective, Potaras in Dragonball Z were more effective than Fusion Dance for a good reason: The downside. Back in Dragonball Z, we believed that Potara fusion was permanent according to the Elder Kai, making using this fusion a risk for the user since they would never be themselves anymore. It makes the Potara earrings a last resort, unlike Fusion that can be used anytime as long as it's performed correctly since the fusion only last 30 minutes at best. The end of the potara fusions inside of Buu was not expected and could have been the result of Buu being made with magic, thing that could have messed with the fusion.
Sadly, Dragonball Super retconned this by saying than Potara fusion was only permanent for Gods. That retcon made it that now there is no good reason to not use the Potara earrings during every difficult fight since they are easy to use and have no downside anymore...
What?
Technically the retcon happened in buu because vegeto wasn’t able to defuse if so just they decided to give a explanation than oh buu somehow spilt goku and vegeta up just by existing
Except that going Super Saiyan Blue burned up the Potara fusion in a matter of minutes at the most. I understand that the new rules cheapened the Potara fusion a bit, but it's still not a free pass to victory. It is the easier way to fuse though, assuming they have the earrings handy.
@@ryandegrave8978 no blue didn’t eat up their time them using full power instantly did
@@levievil9220 No, the explanation given is that "their immense power level must have drained the time much faster." He also did not defuse after powering up to full power but in the middle of an attack. I honestly have no idea where you got your idea from, but it doesn't fit with what we saw in the show at all.
majuub should be called buub
I thought I was the only one who thought that
@@TheStrongestGoose TFS made a joke like that at the end of their parody. It's the last word said by Goku lmao
@@Trixical00 "Come on Buu!"
"Uub."
"Buub!"
@@Local_Clown1 YES😂
No. It should be mabuub
Vegito will always be my favorite
You and me are similar in that regard
@@KingStickthefirst did you know it is cannon that potara is stronger then fusion so this ranking is not real since vegito blue would still be stronger then gogeta blue since potara is always stronger then fusion dance
@@Toge-Inumaki-The-Non-Talkerdid you know vegito didn’t win any fights
@@HakrTheAnimator by that logic, neither has Gogeta in canon. He only has one canon fight. If Vegito not finishing off Buuhan and Zamasu doesn’t count as a win. The Gogeta never finished Broly off either. So he doesn’t have a win either by that logic.
@@HakrTheAnimatordid you know people like both fusions
Gogeta blue in the movie was animated so beautifully! That alone makes him my favorite fusion so far.
Ssj4 gogeta comes 2nd, together with vegito from buu arc. The humor and mockery is what makes it such a fun character.
Ay moodzi, in manga kefla got beaten by ultimate gohan so idk man, i think they just wanted to buff her up in the anime so that's why they had goku use ui
Tht buff gohan not debuff kefla
I've always been a Gogeta stan. Always has been, always will be. I'm just waiting for the day that they make SSJ4 proper canon.
I love Gogeta's aura
Bro knew what he was doing with Kefla in that thumbnail
9:50
The Jiren disrespect is crazy 😭
Ofcourse Jiren is a total trash
Jiren is not as cool as Freiza
MoodZi: Fusion ranked from Weak to Strong les get it!
Also me: *Stares at Thumbnail Intensely*
Relatable 🗿
(Def not looking at kefla)
@@SpeedyYT068 Bruh
Blud knew what he was doing with the kefla in the thumbnail
Check qaaman’s new video. It puts me to shame
5:48 sigma force 😂😂 (sorry I haven’t seen that part of dragon ball yet)
Nah bro kefla got that GYAATT
yes
Bro had a vision
FR I’d smash
My only issue I saw was Piccolo placement. Piccolo is still fused and Orange Piccolo would be way near the top here
Let's clarify something as a person who translates and can read Japanese the original manga and the Daizenshuu never once stated Potara's are stronger. It used the kanji that describes a greater effect which easily could mean it's more useful as at that time has no time limit and drawbacks.
Also there are multiple guides stating Gogeta to be the strongest fusion back in Z. 最あ 強の 融世 合で !! 実験 現
The anime comic guide released for the anime continuity called Gogeta the strongest fusion that was realized in Fusion Reborn. Also they did a comparison between Gogeta and Vegito back in 1995 and it also stated that Gogeta is able to draw out more power, mind body and soul which would allow him to win in a short fight.
The Super Exciting guide also gives Gogeta the same multiplier that Vegito has meaning Goku x Vegeta makes Gogeta. Another thing it would make sense for the harder fusion to perform to be stronger than a simple easy fusion. Btw Herms also covered this and agreed not only is it vague what Old Kai stated about Potara having a greater effect but if they wanted to be specific they would have said in strength and not be vague.
Bro it’s stated and considers stronger
@@Cephus1-n5w fr bro just trying so hard with the “as person who translates and reads🤓" bro probably pushed his glasses too
@@A107-v9e Herms even agrees with what I said I got it from him you cry baby. Care to challenge me on information and facts and scans so I can embarrass you
@@Cephus1-n5w Do you know how Japanese works I'll wait and not once is it stated show me I'm waiting.
@@A107-v9e I'm waiting so I can school you it's so funny how fans like you who have no basic English ability let alone Japanese. Herms already did a cover on this on his twitter and he's himself said that it's vague and no real answer.
Do you know more Japanese than Herms I'm waiting
23:30 best moment in video that made my whole week💥
Lmao what did Jiren do to catch that fade 9:59
Fused Zamasu, a fusion between a dude with goku/vegeta's blue power and a god that maybe is around ssj3 level can rival against Vegitto blue is something I'll never be able to comprehend
SSJ 4 Gogeta is the Absolute Truth! 😁😁😁
Whirus about to pull up and take every other fusion's lunch money.
Kefla looking extra thick
gyatt
@@ninlaw9810
brainrot
Ok but can we talk about how CAKED UP kefla is in the thumbnail
5:48 during the baby saga the sigma force💀
1:11 You kinda just broke your first rule since Old Kai didn't fuse willingly with the Witch
Less so "unwillingly" as in forced and more so as in accidental.
6:09 SUPER MEGA CANNON SIGMA FORM
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SSJ4 Gogeta is my favourite fusion, total badass!
I laughed at 17:11 because I forgot Vegito did this to Buu 😭😭😭
Vegito was strait disrespectful
gyatt damn the thumbanail🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🥶🥶🥶🔥🔥🔥
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ssj4 gogeta's hair is read cause if it was black it would look to much like ssj4 goku lol
That's ture they needed to sell toys
He does look hard af tho.
I like Vegito because he's balanced by how he is formed. Potara have to be obtained from a supreme Kai just to be able to be used a fusion method, meaning Zamasu unwittingly eliminated the ability for Vegito's kind of fusion to exist when he killed the kais in Trunks's future. 2 Supreme Kais had to travel by time ring just for Vegito to even be able to make an appearance there. Gogeta may be the strongest regularly available fusion but there's no reason outside of plot that Vegito can't remain at least competitive with him. Beerus taking advice from Whis in the T.O.P is the ONLY reason there's been no modern Vegito appearance to accurately compare to Broly movie Gogeta.
SSJ4 Gogeta's red hair could also indicate that he is almost a SSG considering Goten,Trunks and Gohan gave Goku their power to fight Omega Shenron and he fuses with Vegeta making it 4/5 required SSJs to achive SSG
I think that's just a new version of SS4 Full Power, people often forgot that SS4 Full Power have shades of Red sometimes.
I've theorized that as well my friend
SSG was not a thing back then.
Fck SSG😂😂😂
Its a SuperSaiyan 5 or Acended SS4
SSG didn’t exist yet
Such a W opinion at the end💯
"I will only rank characters who fused together willingly"
Proceeds to show old kai
Well it was somehow willingly , just that he got tricked.
@@AlexxWWE15 the word tricked and willingly shouldnt be used in the same sentence 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Agreed(start à chaun)
I like Gogeta with Super Janemba, Gogeta, in GT, and Gogeta in the new Broly movie. Gogeta is awesome!😅
And Gogeta in Dragon Ball Heroes
Fusion one of my favourite things in Dragon ball
Great video Moodzi, and because of your great DB content, you’ve just gained yourself a new subscriber, HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!! (In my villainous laugh) great work 👍🏿
I want kefla's cheeks
Why was Kefla in the thumbnail like that though?💀
Real
9:11 The reason people say that is because Goku gradually got stronger. It's not like it's a new concept, Goku got like 1000x stronger in the TOP too. Gotenks and Gohan were stronger than SS3 Goku against Buu, but Goku got stronger (perhaps from Elder Kai giving him life, fighting Buuhan, and Fusion?)
Inside Buu he was going toe to toe with a creature as strong as Gohan while he was in just SS form, and Vegeta was going toe to toe with SS3 Gotenks and Piccolo. Yes it's anime "filler" but it's still there and it happened. You can't just ignore feats like that just because it didn't happen in the manga. That's not how anime works.
Goku as a SS2 was fighting Kid Buu, and holding his own, just like he was holding his own against Ultimate Gohan inside Buu. But he needed to go SS3 to continue the fight and he still lost. It's an easy powerscale to assume Kid Buu is as above Ultimate Gohan SS3 Gotenks and Super Buu from that alone.
Nobody is stupid to assume either theory because in the end, they're both theories. And due to bad writing and inconsistent power scaling you would be justified to think either theory.
How can you say Jiren is trash! He literally surpassed every protagonist we had until after the tournament
Elder Kai said it himself that Fusion with potara is not only easier and faster... but STRONGER than the Fusion dance. So in any time frame that Gogeta exists, vegito wouldve been a better fusion at that moment. For example... Gogeta was powerful Vs Broly... but if they had Potaras in that moment, vegito wouldve been even stronger.
I'm curious where manga fused Zamasu would end up on this list? By the end of his arc, he lost his corruption weakness and could likely split into countless copies of himself. It wasn't long before he got erased by Zeno, but I would assume that he was stronger than the Vegito Blue that he fought.
zamasu in general is a very strong fusion and could be logically the stronger fusion than most since his doesn't have a timeout and he is also immortal, needing hakai or complete erasure, all brodie really gotta do is wait
@@kenshinXskates92 fun fact even beruse (sposedly strongest destroyer) can't kill immortals, so only zeno can beat Zamasu
Can we just talk about the fact that both Goku and Vegeta just pierce their own ears like it's nothing? Ouch.
THE SIGMA FORCE😭😭😭😭😭😭
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@@moodzi1322🗿
"Yes! Yes! Yes! I can win! I feel great! I can do this! Hrrrr!" …. there you go. It gave me anxiety because that part was skipped in the beginning.
Piccolo needs a fusion with the U6 Namekians. Just because :)
thats like goku/vegeta fusing with kale or cabba. not much increase for piccolo
Nah. Demon king piccolo. He merges with Kami, The demon king, and nail. Becoming the true namekion with no name, since technically King piccolo is a different person then our piccolo. A fusion could be insane
@@abishkarjungshah4539 It's actually a crazy multiplier for how weak the person being fused is.
Nail's 40k increased Namek Piccolo over 10 times, making him above Frieza's 1000,000+
Hit, is by far my favorite character! Jiren, gets my recognition for being the strongest. And Vegeta, gets my respect for the most driven and impressive! Goku, seems to be the most well-rounded character.
The rival boost is not a canon thing it’s just speculation from fans. If rivals fusing gave them a boost there’s no reason the dance wouldn’t have granted them an extra boost as well. Also bring more effective doesn’t mean stronger, old Kai never stated that the potara was would’ve made the fusion stronger or the resulting fusion was stronger he just said the method was better. Also something to clear up is that two people having to match power levels to perform the fusion dance does not mean that the power at which the two performing the dance is the power that is multiplied to produce the resulting fusions base power level. Again this is mostly all just fan speculation since we have no concrete statements or evidence based around that.
Your right about the first point as for the second one
For the dance to work both participants have to be symmetrical in everything from dance timing to positioning and most notably power so let’s say that the dance Xs the two power’s together for connivance sake
So A has a power level of 10 while B has a power level of 7 so for the dance to work A would have to lower his power level to 7 resulting in a fusion of 49 while potara doesn’t have to do that so instead A could stay at 10 while B is still at 7 creating a fusion with a power level of 70 hope this cleared this up for you
The rival boost is a thing tho? Its said in "El Manga Legendario" and the "Super exciting guide", which are both canon. and in one they just say that the fusion of Goku and Gohan would've been weaker than Vegito
17:18
"He knew his Son and Piccolo were inside him that he needed to save"
**me watching Buu get blown to bits on the screen**
.-.
3:42 why bro sound racist😭
Gogeta, a fusion so nice, they put him in the thumbnail twice!
I know forced fusions dont count, but would Goku Black count as a fusion?
That's a body swap not a fusion
If I counted Goku black as fusion then I have to count captain Ginyu taking over Goku as fusion along baby from GT that took over so many bodies.
@@moodzi1322 okay but you mentioned absorption, which many would argue is technically a form of fusion. In that same veign, Baby and Zamasu physical change Goku and Vegeta.
With Baby causing mutated Super Saiyan forms,
And Zamasu mutating Super Saiyan Blue (or normal SSJ whichever one believes) as well as magnifies his zenkai boost.
So I feel like thsoe two specifically could be argued as fusions, as the end result is something they cant reach on their own.
@@michaelsong3733bruh... you didn't listen to the beginning or read what he said
@@RtistiqSkubie I watched the whole video, i've simply forgotten it all by now however.
Did you read? Because if you did, you would realize I rod the need to cover all of baby's body controls and simplified it to two people.
Weather he agrees or not, that's up to him and irrelivent. I'm simply laying a question and support for said question...bruh.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 honestly, I forgot about avocado (abocado) watching your thumbnail for 1st time.. great works brother ✌🏻✌🏻 you deserve likes and praises on your research about our '80s kids most highly demanded things ❤❤❤❤❤❤
9:29 HFIL nah I genuinely like Gotenks more.
i hope soon you make a video on who is the strongest character in the budokai games that is only in the game cellin, teincha, etc. but this is a nice video!
I can feel this is gonna be very objective and NON debatable 😏
Edit : Hey, not bad, I don't think I got anything to say against your top actually, and it was nicely explained, good job 👍
Kefla lookin real nice 😩
Vegito is my favorite fusion. I love his attitude and he looks super cool.
Power levels are b.s. but this video here made it digestible for me to understand how power scaling (in dragonball) works just as long as you got the right sources to back it up (along with context of course)
I honestly thought the entire first half of the video was commonly accepted as exactly that and totally accurate lore
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Seeing the Piccolo segment without the "I can win, I can win, I can win" mental chant just seems odd now to me 😅
The super namek episodes where so sick, piccolos best moment
Kefla in the title got me acting upp
Great stroy
Kefla in thumbnail 'bout to have me act up.
I love how gogeta is an entirely new person while vegito is just vegeta and kakarot
Still kinda makes him a different person
I disagree when you say Gotenks as a SSJ3 is more powerful than Goku’s SSJ3.
When Goku was trying to hold off Super Buu so he could fuse with Gohan he did so when Buu had already absorbed Piccolo and Gotenks; now Super Buu was stronger than Goku before Gotenks’ fusion had run out but it still stands Goku held him off.
When the fusion did run out and became Buuiccolo, Goku said: “You don’t plan to beat me like that, do you?”
Gogeta from Fusion reborn is my favorite feeling, I remember the first time I saw it, and the no bullshit attitude he displayed, was such a new thing in Dragon Ball at the time. The rest of the ENTIRE SERIES even to date, nobody ever seems to take shit as seriously as he did, aside from Piccolo perhaps, he is usually the voice of actual reason after all.
Anyways, Just dropping that here, Gogeta Blue from the Broly movie didn't give me the same feeling ngl.
This was a great ranking video
Bro buuhan and Janemba are on par with each other and were toyed with by Super Saiyan gogeta and vegito
Vegito in DBZ was the coolest guy I’ve ever seen in a cartoon as a kid.
You just can’t top SSJ4 Gogeta. Him and Fusion reborn Gogeta are the only fusions to not be touched at all. Given that SSJ4 defused quickly and blue Gogeta lasted 30 minutes, it’s pretty clear SSJ4 Gogeta is miles stronger than anything Super has to offer.
Someone's finally back
1.Potara combines two fighters and gives potara boost but to perform fusion dance one of the fighter who is stronger than other have to low his power to match other fighter and that is the downside of fusion dance.Fusion dance gives boost but not as much as potara. So,potara is stronger.Also potara earing would not break easily because it is protected by aura/ki.Also Vegito's barrier technic would be useful for protecting his earings.
2.Potara fusion has twice as time compare to fusion dance.Remember when gotenks was out of fusion time quickly for using ssj3 yea so fusion dance also drains time and thats why fusion dance also has a time limit for using too much power.Even in the broly movie gogeta was only shown for 4 or 5 minutes and gogeta was playing with broly. So that means gogeta wasn't even using his full power. It could also mean fusion dance wouldn’t even be fused for 5 minutes if user is using ssjb with full power. In other hand potara would last for 5 or more minutes than fusion dance does for using ssjb with full power. So,potara will always have more time than fusion dance.(it is not proven anywhere yet so keep in mind that what i am telling you is from the canon series.*IT IS NOT A HEADCANON*)
3.Talking about job done. In boo arc vegito was far stronger than buu,thats why he was bullying boo and if he killed boo then everyone inside boo had been dead so only way to defeat boo was to get in his body so vegito went to his body that was all vegito's plan. In zamasu arc Vegito gave a good beating to fused zamasu and when zamasu became tired of fighting Vegito.then trunks takes the credit to kill zamasu with the spirit sword but didn’t work and zeno erased the universe from existence.Well both gets the job done. So you can’t tell Vegito was bullying every single opponent he does it for a reason.*important thing zamasu was defeated by zeno. So zamasu's immortality was the reason vegito couldn’t finish him*
You forgot some of the fusions in the tournament of power. But good vid 👍🏻
Ok, ngl I kinda see SSJ4 Gogeta as a sort of Super Saiyan God ONLY because Goku had 4 saiyans of pure heart give him energy before he then fused with Vegeta making that 5 Pure Hearted Saiyans, giving energy to 1 pure hearted Saiyan, making a Super Saiyan God
I agree but i dont it wouldnt be fair if you used the vegito of the black arc you could do a hypotetical vegito broly arc would probably would have finished faster so i dont really agree
Android 13. He is considered a fusion warrior in legends along with Super 17 and Omega (I think, don't quote me on Super 17 and Omega.) Everyone else on this list is also a fusion warrior...
You’re right about super 17 I completely forgot about him and I’m sorry. As for omega and super 13 I count them as absorptions. Just like nova shenron wasn’t willing to be absorbed by omega
It’s awesome how we get too see all of theses
So real
We all clicked for THEM CHECKSS
Interesting ranking.
And this isn't me hating on Gogeta. I'm just proving that Vegito is stronger
"he fused with kami."
"THE FUCKS A KAMI?!?"
thats all i remember when vegeta felt piccolo's power after fusing with kami from DBZ:A lmao
Goku warping reality in the fusion reborn film is like what he did in grand could be from low to complex multiverses depending how you view it
real
I like gogeta simply because of his cool design and confidence but i dont like the cockiness of vegeto (its not confidence)
I would have liked you to mention Manga Kefla. Since it seems to me to be a more realistic fusion in terms of power. Where would she be ranked?
It would depends on how strong gohan is in the manga? Should you believe manga gohan and anime gohan are around equal then that would make kefla around the same ranking. However, due to the lack of evidence I would assume she’s weaker than Vegito and Gogeta but comfortably stronger than gotenks.
Its wild i fell asleep during the zamasi fight lmao