This seems like a perfect recreation of Olympia Looping. Do you think the real Olympia Looping was designed by Computers? The track seems to bank around a Heartling much more than other Schwarzkopf Coasters. Some of the transitions also seem computer like smooth with a radius that changes constantly. Like the first drop or the transition right after the 4th and 5th vertical loop. If so, this might be why Olympia Looping is headbanging free with the over the shoulder. This is unlike All American Tripe Loop with has pretty nasty headbanging. Caused by its hand drafted transitions and compounding radiuses. Along with shoulder restraints and the fact that it was heavy damaged as Qumeria makes it track poorly. This is disappointing as now people might think all coaster like AATL are bad and Schwarzkopf was always just a bad manufacturer Heartling maybe could of helped but the only Schwarzkopf coasters that feature heartling (As far as I know) is Mindbend at Six Flags Over Georgia, and my home park Schwarzkopf Shock Wave at Six Flags Over Texas. I feel you would know best if OL was made using computer because you fixed OL to a tea in NoLimits2. Also you channel features a lot of content about Schwarzkopf. 🤔 I have long thought about making a video on Schwarzkopf and how Schwarzkopf was actually one of the best roller coaster manufacturers that everyone seems to forget or put aside. It is puzzling when people say Arrow was the most cutting edge manufacturer when Schwarzkopf existed. I keep finding more information on Schwarzkopf the longer I research so I wonder what you think about all of these thoughts on Schwarzkopf.
It has to be designed with computers. Calculating heartline paths by hand would be insane. Although if anyone could do it, it would probably be Werner Stengel. Triple Loop honestly tracks very smooth, just like other Schwarzkopfs. There's no rattles, jolts, shuffling, potholes etc. It doesn't feel like it's been worn down or poorly maintained from that standpoint. And that's thanks to Schwarzkopf's insane structural build quality. However there's many parts of the ride where the changes in banking and direction are just way too quick to do without heartlining. The first drop and the entry into the first loop where the track levels out in less than half a second are perfect examples of this. These often get reffered to as "potholes", but they're not a manufacturing or maintenance defect. They've been like that since day one when it opened as Dreier Looping. But these transitions were never an issue until Indiana Beach decided to utilize trains with shoulder restraints since there was nothing to hit your head on. Truthfully, I think most Schwarzkopfs would receive the same complaints as triple loop if shoulder restraints were added to them too. They track so well and are glossy smooth, but the transitions are super janky. This is probably why they were ran with lap bars to begin with. I also see people compare Triple Loop to Olympia Looping when talking about smoothness, and personally I don't feel that it's a fair comparison considering that Schwarzkopf Gmbh was not involved with the Olympia Looping project as they had permanently gone out of business well before Olympia Looping opened. To be specific, they were halfway through manufacturing Thriller when the company went under for the very last time. Being manufactured by BHS (Bayrische Berg-, Hütten- und Salzwerke), which is a company that played a huge role in the creation of "Maurer Rides". BHS had different (and frankly better) design and manufacturing tech than Schwarzkopf which led to their coasters feeling way more modern despite being somewhat adapted from Schwarzkopf tech. As far as manufacturers go, I firmly beleive that Schwarzkopf was the better manufacturer between them and Arrow. Although Arrow was a better business and was much more of a risk taking company. Schwarzkopf had their niche, but Arrow was always making new products and trying to break records. So it's easy to see why Arrow gets so much praise from enthusiasts since a lot of their praise comes from the roller coaster wars era. that being said, Arrow never seemed to refine their rides, so they often ended up being quite flawed rides, whether that be from a structural standpoint or a comfort standpoint. Schwarzkopf was constantly refining their coasters, even the clones. Instead of trying to build the "next big thing", they focused on improving their rides. Their product quality is why I love that company so much. When riding an Arrow, I always question whether this will be one of their good ones or if I'll exit the ride nauseous with a pounding headache. But when I board a Schwarzkopf, I know exactly what I'm gonna get. I don't have to wonder whether I'll enjoy it or not. I know it'll be a lovely ride. In summary, Schwarzkopf is my number one favorite manufacturer. Also, if you're looking for info on the company ( www.schwarzkopf-coaster.net/hauptmenueGF.htm ) is a great source.
@@j-coasters Yup, I know about the website. Schwarzkopf coaster net actually details how both Mindbender and Shock Wave are both heartline oriented. If you look at a pov of Shock Wave you can see how before the coaster turns around corners it swings outward first. You can see this most clearly on the right turn after the mid course, But the track still swings out on all the other turns too. Even the first right turn after the chain lift banks outward first ever so slightly. Implying that heartling was used. What also supports the use of heartling is an interview with Anton Schwarzkopf himself where it is implied he used heartling. This interview comes from a documentary posted on TH-cam that I’m sure you’ve seen called “Anton Schwarzkopf Dee Mann der in Amerika Wellen Schlage”. From (38:39-39:59) he explains the problem with non heartline oriented track and the way they get around this is by swinging out first before swinging turning. Detail something along the lines of the first understanding of heartling. Which technically started with Mindbender at Over Georgia. I find that whenever I ride Shock in the front row it is pretty glass smooth with no kind of later movement of my upper body. So it seems like they did in fact made heartling by hand even though you said they could not. Now I know it is not true heartling as it only severs to act as a transition. I also find that it does not quite work for every seat as in the back row on the last turn around to the breaks it transitions hard and you would definitely headbang their. But other than that it is pretty perfect. I thought All American Triple loop was rough because lots of people I have watched say it is a bad ride. They say they’ll never do it again and it was one of the worst roller coaster they have ever ridden. I guess the headbang is unavoidable.
Yup, I know about the website. What is interesting is that Schwarzkopf actually did create coasters with heartling in them. If you go to the catalog page of Mindbender (Over Georgia) you’ll see Mindbender is described to use a heartline oriented track system along side Shock Wave. Further proof of Schwarzkopf coasters using heartling is a documentary I’m sure you’ve seen before called Anton Schwarzkopf Der Mann der in Amerika Wellen schlagt. From between (38:39-39:59) is a section where Anton himself talks to the audience about the troubles of non heartline oriented track. And the way they get around this by first swing outward around a pivot point before turning. (Now you would only understand this if you were German or used TH-cam’s auto translate like I did which roughly gives the right meaning). Anton said this shortly after they had just built Shock Wave and Mindbender in 1978. What really sells it is you can actually see the heartling on these coasters. On Shock Wave the turn right after the mid course firstly swings outward before turning right. This same event happens on every turn on the ride including when it banks back to a straight line. Personally whenever I ride Shock Wave in the front row I feel how it is pretty perfectly smooth with no upper lateral movement. The only janky transition is the final turn in the back row where you get whipped to the side. But other than that it is pretty glass smooth. Compared to other coasters in my home park it still rides really good. The Schwarzkopf coaster net also has a picture on the history page showing Anton Schwarzkopf standing next to a pipe bending machine. This would partially explain why Schwarzkopf coasters are smooth even today. If you think about, all modern day tubular steel rails are made using pipe benders. That is of course with the help of computers. But Anton was able to create this kind of track even without computers.
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This seems like a perfect recreation of Olympia Looping. Do you think the real Olympia Looping was designed by Computers? The track seems to bank around a Heartling much more than other Schwarzkopf Coasters. Some of the transitions also seem computer like smooth with a radius that changes constantly. Like the first drop or the transition right after the 4th and 5th vertical loop.
If so, this might be why Olympia Looping is headbanging free with the over the shoulder. This is unlike All American Tripe Loop with has pretty nasty headbanging. Caused by its hand drafted transitions and compounding radiuses. Along with shoulder restraints and the fact that it was heavy damaged as Qumeria makes it track poorly.
This is disappointing as now people might think all coaster like AATL are bad and Schwarzkopf was always just a bad manufacturer
Heartling maybe could of helped but the only Schwarzkopf coasters that feature heartling (As far as I know) is Mindbend at Six Flags Over Georgia, and my home park Schwarzkopf Shock Wave at Six Flags Over Texas.
I feel you would know best if OL was made using computer because you fixed OL to a tea in NoLimits2. Also you channel features a lot of content about Schwarzkopf. 🤔
I have long thought about making a video on Schwarzkopf and how Schwarzkopf was actually one of the best roller coaster manufacturers that everyone seems to forget or put aside.
It is puzzling when people say Arrow was the most cutting edge manufacturer when Schwarzkopf existed.
I keep finding more information on Schwarzkopf the longer I research so I wonder what you think about all of these thoughts on Schwarzkopf.
It has to be designed with computers. Calculating heartline paths by hand would be insane. Although if anyone could do it, it would probably be Werner Stengel.
Triple Loop honestly tracks very smooth, just like other Schwarzkopfs. There's no rattles, jolts, shuffling, potholes etc. It doesn't feel like it's been worn down or poorly maintained from that standpoint. And that's thanks to Schwarzkopf's insane structural build quality. However there's many parts of the ride where the changes in banking and direction are just way too quick to do without heartlining. The first drop and the entry into the first loop where the track levels out in less than half a second are perfect examples of this. These often get reffered to as "potholes", but they're not a manufacturing or maintenance defect. They've been like that since day one when it opened as Dreier Looping. But these transitions were never an issue until Indiana Beach decided to utilize trains with shoulder restraints since there was nothing to hit your head on. Truthfully, I think most Schwarzkopfs would receive the same complaints as triple loop if shoulder restraints were added to them too. They track so well and are glossy smooth, but the transitions are super janky. This is probably why they were ran with lap bars to begin with.
I also see people compare Triple Loop to Olympia Looping when talking about smoothness, and personally I don't feel that it's a fair comparison considering that Schwarzkopf Gmbh was not involved with the Olympia Looping project as they had permanently gone out of business well before Olympia Looping opened. To be specific, they were halfway through manufacturing Thriller when the company went under for the very last time. Being manufactured by BHS (Bayrische Berg-, Hütten- und Salzwerke), which is a company that played a huge role in the creation of "Maurer Rides". BHS had different (and frankly better) design and manufacturing tech than Schwarzkopf which led to their coasters feeling way more modern despite being somewhat adapted from Schwarzkopf tech.
As far as manufacturers go, I firmly beleive that Schwarzkopf was the better manufacturer between them and Arrow. Although Arrow was a better business and was much more of a risk taking company. Schwarzkopf had their niche, but Arrow was always making new products and trying to break records. So it's easy to see why Arrow gets so much praise from enthusiasts since a lot of their praise comes from the roller coaster wars era. that being said, Arrow never seemed to refine their rides, so they often ended up being quite flawed rides, whether that be from a structural standpoint or a comfort standpoint. Schwarzkopf was constantly refining their coasters, even the clones. Instead of trying to build the "next big thing", they focused on improving their rides. Their product quality is why I love that company so much. When riding an Arrow, I always question whether this will be one of their good ones or if I'll exit the ride nauseous with a pounding headache. But when I board a Schwarzkopf, I know exactly what I'm gonna get. I don't have to wonder whether I'll enjoy it or not. I know it'll be a lovely ride.
In summary, Schwarzkopf is my number one favorite manufacturer. Also, if you're looking for info on the company ( www.schwarzkopf-coaster.net/hauptmenueGF.htm ) is a great source.
@@j-coasters Yup, I know about the website. Schwarzkopf coaster net actually details how both Mindbender and Shock Wave are both heartline oriented. If you look at a pov of Shock Wave you can see how before the coaster turns around corners it swings outward first. You can see this most clearly on the right turn after the mid course, But the track still swings out on all the other turns too. Even the first right turn after the chain lift banks outward first ever so slightly. Implying that heartling was used.
What also supports the use of heartling is an interview with Anton Schwarzkopf himself where it is implied he used heartling. This interview comes from a documentary posted on TH-cam that I’m sure you’ve seen called “Anton Schwarzkopf Dee Mann der in Amerika Wellen Schlage”. From (38:39-39:59) he explains the problem with non heartline oriented track and the way they get around this is by swinging out first before swinging turning. Detail something along the lines of the first understanding of heartling. Which technically started with Mindbender at Over Georgia.
I find that whenever I ride Shock in the front row it is pretty glass smooth with no kind of later movement of my upper body. So it seems like they did in fact made heartling by hand even though you said they could not. Now I know it is not true heartling as it only severs to act as a transition. I also find that it does not quite work for every seat as in the back row on the last turn around to the breaks it transitions hard and you would definitely headbang their. But other than that it is pretty perfect.
I thought All American Triple loop was rough because lots of people I have watched say it is a bad ride. They say they’ll never do it again and it was one of the worst roller coaster they have ever ridden. I guess the headbang is unavoidable.
Yup, I know about the website. What is interesting is that Schwarzkopf actually did create coasters with heartling in them. If you go to the catalog page of Mindbender (Over Georgia) you’ll see Mindbender is described to use a heartline oriented track system along side Shock Wave.
Further proof of Schwarzkopf coasters using heartling is a documentary I’m sure you’ve seen before called Anton Schwarzkopf Der Mann der in Amerika Wellen schlagt. From between (38:39-39:59) is a section where Anton himself talks to the audience about the troubles of non heartline oriented track. And the way they get around this by first swing outward around a pivot point before turning. (Now you would only understand this if you were German or used TH-cam’s auto translate like I did which roughly gives the right meaning). Anton said this shortly after they had just built Shock Wave and Mindbender in 1978.
What really sells it is you can actually see the heartling on these coasters. On Shock Wave the turn right after the mid course firstly swings outward before turning right. This same event happens on every turn on the ride including when it banks back to a straight line.
Personally whenever I ride Shock Wave in the front row I feel how it is pretty perfectly smooth with no upper lateral movement. The only janky transition is the final turn in the back row where you get whipped to the side. But other than that it is pretty glass smooth. Compared to other coasters in my home park it still rides really good.
The Schwarzkopf coaster net also has a picture on the history page showing Anton Schwarzkopf standing next to a pipe bending machine. This would partially explain why Schwarzkopf coasters are smooth even today.
If you think about, all modern day tubular steel rails are made using pipe benders. That is of course with the help of computers. But Anton was able to create this kind of track even without computers.
Can you please build a intamin mega
How come Olympia Looping? Doesn’t a recreation already exist in Vanilla NL2?
Yes, however it’s not super realistic or detailed. My end goal with this project is to make a near life-like recreation of Olympia Looping.
@@j-coasters ah okay