this is why i still think this breaks of cedar fair medling. i think we all know six flags would have given a proper statement saying they are deeply sad this is going, and give a time for last rides. like volcano cedar gave next to no warning(feel free to correct me if they did. i honestly don't remember.) I can definitely see why they are doing this to save money and get out of debt, but is the imense scrutiny going to be worth it in the end.
It’s frustrating how little communication is coming from these parks. Kingda Ka has been on my bucket list for over a decade; had I known earlier this season that it will be closing permanently, I would’ve had a greater chance of flying out there and getting a ride in. But since the only communication we have are the markings and now a crane on site, I, like many other enthusiasts, will miss my opportunity to live out a childhood dream. It’s heartbreaking.
I hear ya there! I got to ride Ka again this summer which was great luckily. Now I’m like is there going to be a ceremony or just drone footage of it being ripped down during winter… :-/
When i saw TTD closed i went on the first opperunity wich was the year after the pandemic. Didn't want to miss it i do hope that one isn abu dabi opens up again cause i missed that one.
I agree that guests need to know what is going on if a park wants to maintain a loyalty. My home park is Kennywood and they pissed us off by being shady about what is going on with Steel Curtain.
Six Flags was already planning to remove a lot of unnecessary rides just like Cedar Fair. The thing is Six Flags were targeting smaller rides instead of coasters, since they don’t have the budget to pay for big new coasters. Cedar Fair is all about the money.
Dude I just went on la vibora and I was the most out of control I’ve ever felt on a rollercoaster it was insane and I was laughing when we hit the breaks. Pls keep this thing around it’s one of a kind now and six flags over Texas does not need to take out anything right now
14:41 Oh man! Taylor absolutely lays into the management here. And knowing your channel's reach, I would bet that there's at least one or two who watch your videos. 👏
Haven't got there yet, but it is well deserved though! What is going on is kind of disgusting. I've already been on the receiving end of a no notice closure with cedar fair. Geauga Lake was my home park, until those A holes closed it down with zero warning. Some kind of message needs to be sent to the high ups. This is NOT how you treat loyal guests.
Taylor ...lol..Cedar Fair management doesn't kiss his ass like SF legacy parks, that's always been his beef with Cedar Fair. He's in the wilderness and throwing a fit.
Cedar Fair has a history of doing this. I remember when they acquired Dorney Park in the early 90s they removed a lot of the parks old unique rides and facilities. They removed the history of the park. They swapped the history for a modern clean look that we expect from their parks. It seems they're now doing that to the SF parks.
EXACTLY, this was one of the reason why I didn't trust this merger, I had a feeling that once CF was in control of the six flags parks, that they were going to start taking out rides or even closing some of the six flags parks because CF never liked the competition so the merger was a great opportunity to start eliminating parks and rides within the six flags park chain.
@@anthonyantoniohughes1184 It will be interesting to see just how much they favor their legacy cedar fair parks over the six flags side of the chain. The tilt coaster was something six flags had, and look where it its going.. ka can't out shine tt2.. They were competitors 5 minutes ago, and 5 minutes after they are sure doing a lot of gutting on the six flags side of things..
i totally agree with the thing about everyone having some connection to any ride. at the start of 2023 when the ultimate (an arguably random and forgotten coaster in the uk) demolition footage started getting leaked it took me months to get over the sadness. it was the first 'major' coaster i went on and it had such personality.
Yeah La Vibora's time is short IMO, seeing the sleds from Alpine Bobsled didn't go to TX. The updated sleds made a world of difference in better* ride quality and capacity. Sad to see it go, it's a good starter coaster because of the hight requirement. It's also an interesting ride design we will probably never see again just like the hydraulic launch.
IIRC the trains on Alpine Bobsled are a bit different from the ones on La Vibora. Might not have been compatible, but yeah the Intamin bobsleds were never the most comfortable or reliable.
For anyone who is confused, here's a breakdown. In the business world if one company buys another it is either to monopolize, grow or close their competition. If two strong companies merge it is in order to expand. If two struggling companies merge it is because they are afraid they'll collapse alone so they form a stronger base by merging so that they can survive while shedding assets and cutting costs. Six Flags and Cedar Fair were both struggling because of poor ticket sales and too much debt. The point of this merger wasn't to build bigger and better rides or parks. It was to get rid of stuff. It was to sell what they can and cut their costs. I think selling parks will be very likely in the next 2 to 3 years, especially in places with higher land value. And if the land is valuable, don't think the chain would pass over an offer by a developer who intends to replace a park with a housing tract.
BINGO. The two chains needed to combine their overhead and restructure their debt to compete effectively with Disney, Universal, SeaWorld/Busch. By no longer competing, they won't be driving up debt again on coaster wars. The good thing is some coasters will get relocated. If Six Flags America is sold off, most of its DC rides will go away to create a mid-sized park that Parque Reuindos / Palace or Herschend might be interested in. This means that Superman might go to Kings Dominion and Joker's Jinx might be sent to Worlds of Fun. We'll see if Green Lantern gets rebuilt as a floorless at SFSTL.
I’ll give some inside info as a SFMM worker, viper: no they have no plan on removing anytime soon, Superman: it’s a 50/50 they’re thinking about refurbishing it first before putting it on the chop block right away, X2: it’s always up and running unless the wind is too strong so I don’t see it going soon, the one ride I oddly do see going is Wonder Woman, it suffers at least an hour of downtime every day that SFMM is open and because of that sometimes won’t get good hourly riders, plus it being a maintenance nightmare.
I know they did some major work on the one in texas lets hope they fixed the problem cause those raptors are fun. If they don't i think RMC future will be short lived wich would be a shame.
@ I really hope they do fix it, the other day some other random manufacturer (not Irvine engineering or RMC) came by to check our block check for the ride and I participated just mostly for the money lol, but also to see what was wrong with it, because they where thinking maybe the way we ran the block check in the morning was the problem, but it’s usually error 5 which is on the blocking system on panel it says there’s a ghost train in the transfer break so it goes down automatically, or another error where the seats don’t register on the panel that’s the most common, but idk I shall see how it is once I go back to work.
WOW that's crazy, wonder woman is a replica of Jersey Devil at six flags great and Jersey Devil been running pretty good for the past 2 seasons, it may open a little later after park open but it's been pretty efficient.
There have been zero good decisions made at the new six flags company. I have a friend who works at one of the parks, and all they’ve done recently is hire more middle management. The people who add zero or negative value to a company. Six Flags, Sea World and Disney, all dumpster fires at the moment. Thankfully we’ve got Universal and Herschend doing amazing work.
This whole movement reeks of cedar fair's side of the merger in my opinion. Say what you will about the old six flags but they understood that their rides mean something to the park goers. There's no shot in hell they would have abruptly closed kingda Ka without a proper send off pre merger. Cedar fair did the same thing with volcano
Maybe superman at magic mountains possible closure was already part of the plan anyway with the Golden bear theater project, that would definitely give an expansion to that plot.
Over Texas regular here, and I've been calling this for a while. La Vibora always has long lines, but that's because of the terrible capacity. In theory it can handle a maximum of 600 riders per minute which is already absurdly low. It's less than half of Batman's or Giant's hourly capacity, and even the nearby family coaster Runaway Mountain can do 950. But it gets worse: the "600 per hour" figure assumes every car has six guests, which is only possible if three guests sit in the laps of the other three. Sometimes you get couples who are cool with this, but other times the ops have weirdly sized groups and have to dispatch cars with only one or two guests, so on average the trains are half-full at best, which brings the capacity down to an abysmal 300 guests per hour. When those issues are combined with the prime location, relatively large footprint, room for expansion into the parking lot, and the booming population of the DFW area, La Vibora is the obvious candidate for removal. Besides, Over Texas is landlocked, so if not La Vibora, what else could they take out? Shockwave? Too much history, and the plot of land isn't ideal. Mr. Freeze? That's a maintenance nightmare, but it's a massive draw when open and the park invested into a fresh coat of paint recently. Runaway Mine Train? Way too much history and trackwork was just done. Pandemonium? The capacity for that one also sucks, but its a more modern coaster with a similar thrill factor to La Vibora on a much more compact plot surrounded by other attractions. Judge Roy? This is probably the only other coaster that makes sense to remove, but it's the park's only true woodie, has the history factor, is fairly isolated, and has a narrow out-and-back layout that limits what a potential replacement could be. No matter how you slice it, it has to be La Vibora. It's the most disposable coaster in the lineup. Edit: they actually mention Mr. Freeze and Shockwave as closure candidates. I think it's possible for Freeze but very unlikely for Shockwave. Again, Freeze draws huge crowds, and while you could make the excuse that its maintenance problems and high operating expenses make it similar to Kingda Ka, I don't think either are as bad for Freeze. As for Shockwave, I doubt it costs much to operate, since it seems to have a fairly small crew, can get parts from Gerstlauer, and doesn't require a launch. It's also reliable, operates on a plot you can't do much with, and has those iconic loops visible off the interstate. Plus, it's the only coaster aside from Batman with multiple inversions, so until a new sit-down looper comes to the park, Shockwave is an essential part of the lineup. Even if it never draws a huge crowd, the same is true Judge Roy Scream, which also operates less frequently, has a bigger (albeit narrow) plot, and is much more maintenance intensive by virtue of being a woodie. I'd bet on the Judge getting removed over Shockwave.
I would also like to add that Shock Wave and Judge Roy scream having short waits is also attributed to the fact that they are off the beaten path at the edges of the park. Their entrances are not on main pathways. Titan proves this theory as most times when I visit I don’t have to wait very long in its line if at all; even when it’s the tallest coaster in the park. It is very ironic at SFOT as higher capacity rides like Titan, Shock Wave, and Batman are at the edges of the park, and lows capacity ones like Runaway Mountain and Pandemonium are at the center on main pathways inside the park.
Great points - Shockwave is in a flood zone, so it's more expensive to build something new on such a big site. Also, if Green Lantern is relocated to SFSTL as a floorless, it would likely replace their Mr. Freeze. So OT would get spares to extend its ops. I'd like to see OT bring in Gravity Group to reprofile Judge with precut track. Add some banking and actual airtime pops, and it'd be a more popular ride. But I have no complaints about replacing La Vibora with a massive dive. Gives the park a high-capacity, reliable magnet (hopefully with 6 or 7 inversions) that replaces a family coaster long past its prime.
Valley reintroduced ValleyScare this year, Valleyfair reported that it was the most attended fall event in their history. And that’s saying something because ValleyScare has always been well attended and the most profitable season for the park.
That's fantastic to hear, because removing ValleyScare the last two years is EASILY the most boneheaded decision Valleyfair has ever made. I don't know if it was because of Covid or because they were scared of the youths coming in and starting riots, but it was an extremely cowardly decision that cost the park dearly. It also ties up nicely with rumors that we _might_ get something in 2026. We have the space in the front of the park for a new coaster. As for removing problematic rides... Valleyfair really doesn't have too many. Possibly Steel Venom because of issues with Intamin Impulses. But otherwise the only other options are replacing one or two of the smaller coasters (Corkscrew, Excalibur, Mad Mouse) with newer rides. I also don't see Cedar Fair's management looking to sell off the park, one because of their history within the chain, and two because VF is in a flood plain near an industrial part of town. Won't get a lot of money trying to sell it, but isn't losing money keeping it either.
I feel like vertical velocity at discovery Kingdom is going to be getting demolished. Last time I went, which was in July, and the ground leading to vertical velocity was completely destroyed.
I like to look at Costco as an example of loyalty to members/guests. Why do you think the hotdog is still $1.50 or the chicken $5? (most places). Costco loses a lot of money on sales and products but what they gain is cardholders and money from these memberships which parkgoers mostly pay for memberships. what I'm getting at is if six flags ran Costco like these parks right now, they'd probably remove food court and raise chickens to like $12 because they "lose money". the people are the ones who pay to be there and just removing these historic attractions without any fanfare/last chances is going to hurt them like Sarah said.
Totally agree! If they give out announcements of closing of a specific ride it keeps us at least in the know and can enjoy it one last time as a great memory. SFNE basically tore down Goliath Towers during COVID and winter and had to go and see that it was missing one day once they opened. That was kinda awful even though it was probably time to go anyways.
At SFMM, I would keep my eye on Superman; perhaps the new coaster has been pushed to 2026 not so much because of any other reason other than it would be in the way of demolition for Superman.
I hope they keep Superman, even its its only available to ride during weekends or holiday events. Its too nostalgic for me to loose and it was my favorite back in my 1997 and 1999 trips and throughout the 2000s. I miss the original trains from before 2013!
@@The8BitNerdthey can keep the tower. They won’t though if Superman goes it’s going to. Both of those rides are problematic and on top of that Intamins. X2 really scares me actually. It seems unbelievable that it might be screwed but it’s also extremely expensive. One of its trains went for refurb years ago and never came back. It’s been on one train a lot. Seeing them rip KA out of Great Adventure though sets a standard, nothing is safe. I do think Superman will go first though
Bobsled (la vibora) and the Larson Loop at SFOT are closed and being removed. Shockwave will stay for the foreseeable future. It is a part of the parks identity. The park has committed to keeping the ride operating as long as possible which is why it gets re-tracked and refurbed almost every year. Freeze is an interesting take. There has been talk of upgrading the ride to a more reliable launch like LSMs, but time will tell.
I hope both Shockwave and Mr Freeze stick around for a long time! But when Six Flags is pretty ruthlessly removing rides that have been expensive or problematic within the chain, doesn't matter how well liked it is, those two do come to mind among the SFOT line up. We'll have to see what happens. Fingers crossed they stick around.
You've convinced me to make my first trip to SFGA this weekend. Fortunately I live a 3 hour drive away so last minute plans were possible. I'm sad El Toro is closed for my first visit. Just hoping Kingda Ka doesn't break down before I get a try.
Remember, this company (or remnants of it) closed Geauga Lake without any announcement, so it’s not really a new thing. 😞. Still, it does suck for regular visitors when something is just ripped out without any warning, so my condolences to fans of SfGAdv and SFoT.
From what I've been hearing from the Texas Thrill Seekers FB page, it isn't just La Vibora that's going bye-bye. El Diablo, the Larsen looper, is also closing. As Six Flags Over Texas is my home park, I have a couple of ideas in my mind: 1. Mr. Freeze shouldn't be closing. It's a signature attraction and quite beloved. What I'd do is simple..replace the LIMs with an LSM launch system. 2. Shock Wave is a gem of a ride and definitely has a nostalgic place in many guests' hearts. If it does go for some reason, I'd say let Vekoma come in with a whole new layout, perhaps a tilt coaster. Name it "Shock Wave 2.0" or something like that. 3. To replace La Vibora and El Diablo, I have a couple of ideas: either an RMC Raptor or GCI woodie, both with compact, custom layouts.
Was that before the merger or after? If it was before, its very possible that is on hold or cancelled. A lot of changes have been happening since the companies combined.
Mrfreeze, I got so scared at first because I thought u meant at St. Louis. Mrfreeze has flawless operations best in the park definitely (best for operations 2nd best in the park behind boss)
I am the someone that La Vibora means something too. This was one of my first experiences at an amusement park, and the colors and the chaos of this ride is what made me fall in love with roller coasters. I do agree that this is not the most pleasant experience, I am excited to see what will become the anchor to this area of the park with the absence of La Vibora.
update - The Local Rumor Mill (trademark that!) says work on removing both La Vibora and El Diablo started LAST WEEK! The park is booked out for private events after today, it reopens on the 24th for Holiday In The Park. Any word on what they're replacing it with?
The amount of rides that you guys mentioned to possibly taken down is really sad for me. (i.e. Mr. Freeze, Shockwave, Batwing, and even my home park Six Flags America.) Although you guys are just guessing, I feel like you guys are right. It’s just a reminder for me as an enthusiast, that the world can be tough. I have been going to six flags America since I was a kid. And so many rides at Six Flags Over Texas was shocking to me😢😢😢. I physically cannot accept that these could be gone.😢 I do also really want to thank you guys for letting me know about this possibility in advance.
Hey Six Flags America is my “home” park too! I haven’t been in years though. Only this past year have I started going back to parks because my friend from SoCal loves coasters. Even when he visited me here in Maryland, he rather wanted to go to Great Adventure in New Jersey and Kings Dominion in Virginia, haha. He skipped ours. I keep hearing about the bad guest behavior thing and it did seem true when I was there in the 00s but is it _still_ really a problem? Like, what is management doing? How have they not addressed it by now?
@ Yeah, unfortunately they used to have guest behavior issues. The good news is they have fixed those problems. I’ve noticed that they have been cleaning up the park a lot more now. They just re-did the whole southwest area (where Mind eraser used to be) and called it steam town. I would argue that it competes with some of the better area of theme parks too. The area around Superman looks really good too. Another good thing is that they recently have been running two trains, which really helps with capacity. Overall there are a few places that they could improve like the whistle stop kid area. Personally that area looks pretty bad especially when they permanently closed it. All the rides are like half taken out and there are markings everywhere on the ground. Yeah they have worked a lot on the park over the past several years. You should definitely give it a try. :)
My opinion on the Magic Mountain rides you mentioned. Viper, sounds ridiculous considering the rumors for years but I’m betting it stays awhile. That ride is a tank, say what you want about it, but it’s always running. Highly doubt it’s a huge money eater. If it was it would’ve probably been gone awhile ago considering the low ridership. There’s 4 rides in this park i’d consider more at risk. From least likely to most likely to go i’d guess this Scream, not a money eater, but at the same time really doesn’t do much for them. If they transferred this to another park I highly doubt magic mountain would get a drastic attendance drop, but some other parks would definitely spike even if you stuck this mid ride in there. Ninja, this ride is really showing its age sadly and they’ve had to put a good chunk of money into it recently to keep it up. One of the ops on it told me it was on its last legs. I don’t think they’d want to remove this, but there’s definitely a time and money limit on it i think. X2, if this goes I legitimately would cry. Thankfully this year it’s been running fairly good. It’s definitely a money eater and not the best uptime record and that scares me. It’s third train has been out for “refurbishment” for almost 5 years. It’s second train is getting really rough now too. There’s complaints about roughness from guests on it. It doesn’t look that good for it if this is the chain’s future. Superman seems almost doomed to get canned. It rarely runs, when it does run it’s only one side. It sticks right into the plot they just cleared out. Tons of electricity to run, and unlike X2 i doubt there would be a gigantic attendance drop for removing it. Some would be sad including me, but I think most of us could live without that literal jet engine deafening the entire park. At that it’s an Intamin, we know cedar fair is no fan of those. Ka is an intamin, la vibora is an intamin. I hope they keep superman especially the forward side up a little while to give us time to enjoy it but i wouldn’t be surprised if it goes at all. Please please leave X2 alone 🙏
The one that I wouldn't miss is Scream. I usually skip it. If I do ride it, then I do it at the end of the day because my day would pretty much be ruined if I rode it earlier. It's like that coaster was designed specifically to give me a headache and I probably wouldn't be that into it even if that weren't the case. I would also legit cry over X2.
Magic Mountain was my home Six Flags for years. Viper is usually always running and the last time I wrote it wasn't as rough as I remembered. Ninja is fantastic in the way it uses terrain, if it gets the ax I hope they replace it with something that gives a similar ride experience. Scream is a parking lot coaster and could easily be relocated and replace with something else. My one concern would be that that would lead to Riddler being converted into a floorless coaters, what should be unfortunate because I actually think it's great as a stand up. X2 even on a rough day is a fantastic experience, but it's no secret it needs constant tinkering.
That’s never gonna happen realistically. The boss is still a popular ride in its park and I’m confident that no six flags parks will ever get an RMC conversion ever again. If they were going to do it it would have been done at the peak of conversions during the 2010s. Since 2020 there have been 2 RMC conversions, neither of which is from a six flags park
Having lived through Six Flags America being Wild World and Adventure World, even though it's not the nicest park in the chain by any means, it holds a very sentimental value to me, and my kids, so to see it go would hurt badly. There are times we will go down on a weekend for a few hours or in the summer after work during the week. It's nice to have a local park when you don't want to travel a couple hours away to one of the other bigger ones. Not to mention the local people that go there, especially during the summer are people who won't, or maybe can't, travel to the other parks that are further away. Hurricane Harbor is absolutely packed during the summer with families. And because of where the park is located a lot of the younger people that live nearby take public transportation to get there because they have no other way. Yes we have had problems there in the past with guest behavior but recently when we've gone there has been a really strong police/security presence and things have been quieter. Tyler and I have discussed the possibility of them closing the park and just leaving Hurricane Harbor so maybe if they do decide to to something that could be an option. Either way if they do decide to close it down it will be a very sad day for those of us who grew up with the park going through all it's different phases making memories with friends/families and eventually with our own children 😢
I’ve read that the land SFA is on is worth over $230 million. I would be shocked if they didn’t close it, sell the land and move rides/assets to other parks. Especially, to some of the smaller parks that are still profitable.
I just bought a souvenir mug from Six Flags America last time I was there during Halloween 2024, just because my gut tells me that its days are numbered.
I was upset at first but I think it’s good the parks are getting new attractions it will bring new life and more attendance plus with all the money they have now I can only see amazing things for all their properties and yes even Michigan’s adventure
When I went to SFOT the first time about a year and a half ago now, La Vibora was closed and I wanted to ride it, I wanted to ride at least one Intamin Bobsled.
As much as I love La Víbora and seeing it and hearing the loud sounds as I walk into the park, imagine if SixFlags Corp. put a brand new coaster (whatever that might be) in that plot of land. It would create a new sense of excitement for years to come
I went to Six Flags Over Texas at the beginning of October. Rollercoasters kept closing and then the lines were insane. Even with the haunted houses open. It was so packed. Which is fine. But the Rollercoasters closing was crazy. Cause once they started running again, the lines were long
This is bittersweet for me because Six Flags Over Texas is my home park. I live 18 to 24 minutes away. La Vibora is an historic coaster like you guys say. It's Intamin's third oldest operating coaster; however, every time I've ridden it has hurt so bad. 🤔
I live a bit further away (europe) got the cred i wouldn't mind if they replaced it with something decent that park can really use a decent coaster a new gen vekoma would fit nicely into that park since its more family firndly then the other six flags parks.
Im already starting to see some of the things begin to happen, that I SO feared would happen with this merger. You are going to see park closures, you are going to see ride removals and ride relocations. I've seen it all before. I saw what Six flags did to my beloved Kentucky kingdom back in the day.
Honestly, its not just the enthusiasts, its also season passholders in general. Every park keeps on promoting their passes above everything else, so its clear they value their loyal fanbase. I know for a fact a good portion of season passholders at Great Adventure won't be renewing their pass. Take a look at Kings Dominion. I still hear GP complaining about Volcano to this day, literally this month I heard someone talking about it in the Twisted Timbers queue. There's a reason why so many people didn't like when Cedar Fair took over, and I can't understand how they didn't learn that yet.
Hopefully they close. These stupid statements from SF fanboys. Seeing you idiots spiral would be joyful. SF legacy parks suck, CF management is trying to turn around their failure, Just look at the first combined financials...111M net income in Q3 , CF legacy parks produced 108M of it, SF legacy parks produces 3M
As a ride operator at magic mountain, I’ve heard that 2025 will be its last year and that maintenance is working to run both sides one last time for guests to ride. That’s as of a few months ago after the small fire but I don’t know if things have changed.
Really good analogy with the cheap boots vs more expensive boots Six Flags/Cedar Fair comparison. I can definitely see that. Glad I got on Batwing the one and only time I went to Six Flags America in 2018. It was such a unique ride experience and felt way more intense than any B&M I'd been on. It was my favorite coaster in the park that day (just ahead of Superman), and it would be a shame to lose something so different. But I'd get it, the ride operations took FOREVER, and even with a short line, we didn't attempt a re-ride because it took comically long to load that thing.
The biggest issue I have with Mind Bender going away is it is one of the few intermediate coasters at SFOGeorgia that kids can get on. Financially, that takes out a pretty big group of people willing to pay for that park. It is my home park and we have a younger child that is just now almost hitting 48 inches. If it wasnt for Mind Bender, my son would still not have his first upside down coaster, which has been a big deal in making him a lifelong customer for the whole chain and gave us a reason to pay for the park the last two years. It may not be the most immediate money in their pocket, but it will mean more consistent money over time. I get the argument for taking out older rides, but if they do it, I hope they put in similar replacements, if nothing else.
There’s no space in that park to redo Xcelerator and replacing it with something better on that footprint will be damn near impossible. That’s why they really are trying to squeeze it
I literally just said to my husband “we need to plan a trip to six flags in cali so I can get another ride on x2 and say goodbye” his response: “the way you said that made it seem like something bad was about to happen”. ME: SOMETHING BAD IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN 😂😂😂
@@Themeparkanxietyyou're not wrong, X2 could be on the chopping block due its high maintenance costs, even though it's the most popular ride in the park, cedar fair wouldn't care they would still remove it. Another ride I could see go is Ninja and they could replace it with a vekoma inverted coaster, something like dragon flyer at dollywood or those 2 vekoma suspended models in Europe. But I'll be sure to keep an eye on them just in case
@@Vinsanity1521I live 10 minutes from the park. Trust me, I’m not misinformed. Oh and I didn’t even mention the audio no longer works, trains look worn, effects don’t work half the time, and it’s rough as hell? 😅
I don't think they will be relocating any coasters. I think Cedar Fair came to the conclusion after moving the Geauga Lake coasters that it's more cost effective to sell them off over seas or scrap them. Or, like the Maverick heart line roll and Wicked Twister, sell the scrap for way more than scrap value as collectibles.
Maybe (as long as Great Escape remains) we will see a replacement for Steamin Demon. The were putting an emphasis on it was it’s 40th anniversary at the park on closing day…. I think a new Vekoma thrill coaster or a Raptor (a mirrored Jersey Devil) would look great at the front of the park.
All I have to say is if they start taking out rides, especially at my home park at Six Flags over Texas. They best replace it with something and not just leave it empty because I’m already on the fence not getting a 2026 season pass I pay a whole Lotta money for these passes if you start removing rides and taking away parks. I will just say GOODBYE 8:16
Aaaand guess what; as of todayt La Vibora has just closed without a proper announcement. Shame, I loved Bob at Efteling and was sad to see that close and now there's no more of this kind unless it gets relocated but I heavily doubt that.
They just should just announce things if they close things. In the end people will understand why they closed it even if they aren't happy with it. I'm from the Netherlands and efteling is my homepark when they said they would close spookhouse wich was a very iconic attraction it was an event. Nobody really liked it but there where thousands of visitors for the closing "ceremony". And well they did get a very nice replacement wich honors the old one.
Same with Pegasus, Monsieur Canibal, and Bob. Replaced, instead of an empty space. Only outlier is the whale one near the restaurant, my daughter loved that one too 😢
These coaster enthusiasts are making wild assumptions based on rumors. Why not wait until the offseason or next season to see what actually unfolds. Because as of today, none of the rumored rides has officially been removed. And if the rumors end up being true, maybe leaking the information is their way of quietly letting people know.
I know a lot of people are mad or upset with these decisions, however, they have to remember that this is a business. The only way to keep it running is to make profit and take care of their debt. Edit: Awesome video as always Taylor and Sarah!
Ok but at the same time tho they should've been Said something! So everyone could've got their last rides in! That's exactly what kennywood did with steel phantom announced in March it was gonna close! And everyone got so many rides on it before it closed
Funny how you think Mr Freeze is going to go when they have been constantly switching the trains on it for a different experience. Its also sone of the most efficient rides in the park for operations.
They used to close rides without warning during the ride rotation days. Including "La Vibora" when it was "Sarajevo Bobsleds" at Six Flags Magic Mountain. There might be a newsblurb on a local TV station that would usually get the name of the ride wrong about something closing at a park and that's it.
So this is my honest opinion on La Vibora from when i visited SFoT for my first time in 2022. The percentage of change of what i expected to what experience i got was the greatest over any other right in the park, I knew NTG was going to be break, Titan is good, but i went in expecting La Vibora to be boring, but i got off smiling planning on doing it again once i got around the whole park.
Was lucky enough to get to Great Adventure to ride Kingda Ka yesterday. Park was pretty empty. One of the two operational trains was taken out for service in the afternoon. Heads up that the entire end of the park with El Toro, Medusa, and Runaway Main Train was fenced off and likely closed for the season.
It is a business, and businesses need to make money. As you stated, Cedar Fair had no ties to the original parks so if something isn't generating money or costing too much money, they will remove it and bring something in that will make them money. Also, the parks care about the bottom line, and no offense to coaster enthusiasts (i ride as well), its the public that brings in the money.
to me it so sad for six flags over texas to be my home park and thinking that these rides that i grew up on might close even if i dont ride them every time I go
seriously six flags, you remove flagship rides like kingda ka but you keep all the boomerangs and SLC's
Boomerangs are cheap
Because they are reliable
Dawg kingda ka has not gotten removed yet, nothing is confirmed
@@jvoges Would you expect them to keep a ride that is expensive to maintain and unreliable open indefinitely?
@@metallicnole4514 literally xcelerator:
Not a guest losing a wallet/phone on the Flash: Vertical Velocity b-roll at 7:01 💀
oops lollll
I love ur channel Alex!!
this is why park operators are so against loose articles while onboard
@@sonnyperumal8430 💗💗💗
Happens too often 😂
At least Kingda Ka could still take riders one last time. *cries in Volcano*
this is why i still think this breaks of cedar fair medling. i think we all know six flags would have given a proper statement saying they are deeply sad this is going, and give a time for last rides. like volcano cedar gave next to no warning(feel free to correct me if they did. i honestly don't remember.) I can definitely see why they are doing this to save money and get out of debt, but is the imense scrutiny going to be worth it in the end.
they announced the closing a volcano in the off-season and just removed it
@@Tileblitzgameonpocket7 oh. okay then. at least they announced it, but still with the low blow doing it in the off season.
@@EmberMcLain87Kings Doninion did say it was a tough call so they were being honest
@@Tileblitzgameonpocket7 yes, they announced it’s closure, AFTER it had already been down for most of the 2018 season…
It’s frustrating how little communication is coming from these parks. Kingda Ka has been on my bucket list for over a decade; had I known earlier this season that it will be closing permanently, I would’ve had a greater chance of flying out there and getting a ride in. But since the only communication we have are the markings and now a crane on site, I, like many other enthusiasts, will miss my opportunity to live out a childhood dream. It’s heartbreaking.
I hear ya there! I got to ride Ka again this summer which was great luckily. Now I’m like is there going to be a ceremony or just drone footage of it being ripped down during winter… :-/
When i saw TTD closed i went on the first opperunity wich was the year after the pandemic. Didn't want to miss it i do hope that one isn abu dabi opens up again cause i missed that one.
SUNDAY IS THE LAST DAY KA IS OPEN! Ride it then, or never again!
You still could have been disappointed. My last 3 trips there it was down for the day.
I agree that guests need to know what is going on if a park wants to maintain a loyalty. My home park is Kennywood and they pissed us off by being shady about what is going on with Steel Curtain.
based home park 🤝
Six Flags was already planning to remove a lot of unnecessary rides just like Cedar Fair. The thing is Six Flags were targeting smaller rides instead of coasters, since they don’t have the budget to pay for big new coasters. Cedar Fair is all about the money.
Way to Speak up Guys to the Company about giving Notice. Kingda Ka thing is brutal. Thank you
Dude I just went on la vibora and I was the most out of control I’ve ever felt on a rollercoaster it was insane and I was laughing when we hit the breaks. Pls keep this thing around it’s one of a kind now and six flags over Texas does not need to take out anything right now
i have bad news lol
Go visit Knoebels and ride the Flying Turns.
I swear I was like what is Lava Bora? But then I realized they’re saying La VÍBORA (VEE-bo-ra).
2:34 Taylor looks like he's fighting some internal demons
Bro that's so real
New Six Flags bringin out all sorts of emotions
I can’t tell if he’s pissed or disappointed.
Probably both.
We all are since the merger
@@tigerrocks503 "Pissdappointed"
14:41 Oh man! Taylor absolutely lays into the management here. And knowing your channel's reach, I would bet that there's at least one or two who watch your videos. 👏
Haven't got there yet, but it is well deserved though! What is going on is kind of disgusting. I've already been on the receiving end of a no notice closure with cedar fair. Geauga Lake was my home park, until those A holes closed it down with zero warning. Some kind of message needs to be sent to the high ups. This is NOT how you treat loyal guests.
Taylor ...lol..Cedar Fair management doesn't kiss his ass like SF legacy parks, that's always been his beef with Cedar Fair. He's in the wilderness and throwing a fit.
Cedar Fair has a history of doing this. I remember when they acquired Dorney Park in the early 90s they removed a lot of the parks old unique rides and facilities. They removed the history of the park. They swapped the history for a modern clean look that we expect from their parks. It seems they're now doing that to the SF parks.
EXACTLY, this was one of the reason why I didn't trust this merger, I had a feeling that once CF was in control of the six flags parks, that they were going to start taking out rides or even closing some of the six flags parks because CF never liked the competition so the merger was a great opportunity to start eliminating parks and rides within the six flags park chain.
@@anthonyantoniohughes1184 It will be interesting to see just how much they favor their legacy cedar fair parks over the six flags side of the chain. The tilt coaster was something six flags had, and look where it its going.. ka can't out shine tt2.. They were competitors 5 minutes ago, and 5 minutes after they are sure doing a lot of gutting on the six flags side of things..
i totally agree with the thing about everyone having some connection to any ride. at the start of 2023 when the ultimate (an arguably random and forgotten coaster in the uk) demolition footage started getting leaked it took me months to get over the sadness. it was the first 'major' coaster i went on and it had such personality.
Love the thumbnail 😂
Imagine that, a newly created monopoly stabbing customers in the back. Go figure.
Yeah La Vibora's time is short IMO, seeing the sleds from Alpine Bobsled didn't go to TX. The updated sleds made a world of difference in better* ride quality and capacity. Sad to see it go, it's a good starter coaster because of the hight requirement. It's also an interesting ride design we will probably never see again just like the hydraulic launch.
The line is always long on it too
Well it just closed permanently with no announcement, so short was an understatement.
IIRC the trains on Alpine Bobsled are a bit different from the ones on La Vibora. Might not have been compatible, but yeah the Intamin bobsleds were never the most comfortable or reliable.
For anyone who is confused, here's a breakdown. In the business world if one company buys another it is either to monopolize, grow or close their competition. If two strong companies merge it is in order to expand. If two struggling companies merge it is because they are afraid they'll collapse alone so they form a stronger base by merging so that they can survive while shedding assets and cutting costs.
Six Flags and Cedar Fair were both struggling because of poor ticket sales and too much debt. The point of this merger wasn't to build bigger and better rides or parks. It was to get rid of stuff. It was to sell what they can and cut their costs. I think selling parks will be very likely in the next 2 to 3 years, especially in places with higher land value. And if the land is valuable, don't think the chain would pass over an offer by a developer who intends to replace a park with a housing tract.
Or a parking lot next to a football stadium.
It’s giving great america 😢😭
BINGO. The two chains needed to combine their overhead and restructure their debt to compete effectively with Disney, Universal, SeaWorld/Busch. By no longer competing, they won't be driving up debt again on coaster wars.
The good thing is some coasters will get relocated. If Six Flags America is sold off, most of its DC rides will go away to create a mid-sized park that Parque Reuindos / Palace or Herschend might be interested in. This means that Superman might go to Kings Dominion and Joker's Jinx might be sent to Worlds of Fun. We'll see if Green Lantern gets rebuilt as a floorless at SFSTL.
writing is already on the wall for Six Flags America :(
@@tc6818 If the new stadium is awesome, that works for me! SFAmerica is the trashiest “park” I’ve ever visited. It deserves to be demolished.
I’ll give some inside info as a SFMM worker, viper: no they have no plan on removing anytime soon, Superman: it’s a 50/50 they’re thinking about refurbishing it first before putting it on the chop block right away, X2: it’s always up and running unless the wind is too strong so I don’t see it going soon, the one ride I oddly do see going is Wonder Woman, it suffers at least an hour of downtime every day that SFMM is open and because of that sometimes won’t get good hourly riders, plus it being a maintenance nightmare.
I know they did some major work on the one in texas lets hope they fixed the problem cause those raptors are fun. If they don't i think RMC future will be short lived wich would be a shame.
@ I really hope they do fix it, the other day some other random manufacturer (not Irvine engineering or RMC) came by to check our block check for the ride and I participated just mostly for the money lol, but also to see what was wrong with it, because they where thinking maybe the way we ran the block check in the morning was the problem, but it’s usually error 5 which is on the blocking system on panel it says there’s a ghost train in the transfer break so it goes down automatically, or another error where the seats don’t register on the panel that’s the most common, but idk I shall see how it is once I go back to work.
WOW that's crazy, wonder woman is a replica of Jersey Devil at six flags great and Jersey Devil been running pretty good for the past 2 seasons, it may open a little later after park open but it's been pretty efficient.
@@anthonyantoniohughes1184 A yes i was talking about the one in texas. Got me coasters mixed up.
There have been zero good decisions made at the new six flags company. I have a friend who works at one of the parks, and all they’ve done recently is hire more middle management. The people who add zero or negative value to a company.
Six Flags, Sea World and Disney, all dumpster fires at the moment.
Thankfully we’ve got Universal and Herschend doing amazing work.
This whole movement reeks of cedar fair's side of the merger in my opinion. Say what you will about the old six flags but they understood that their rides mean something to the park goers. There's no shot in hell they would have abruptly closed kingda Ka without a proper send off pre merger. Cedar fair did the same thing with volcano
SFOT closing and removing La Vibora and El Diablo. Another silent removal
Markers spotted in the area near those attractions as well
A garbage superloop & a 40 yr old defunct model..no big loss.
Personally more sentimental about Green Lantern than any of the others. As Chang at Kentucky Kingdom, it was the coaster that got me hooked.
Liability insurance seems like the aspect of the Ka closure that went overlooked in discourse.
Maybe superman at magic mountains possible closure was already part of the plan anyway with the Golden bear theater project, that would definitely give an expansion to that plot.
Over Texas regular here, and I've been calling this for a while. La Vibora always has long lines, but that's because of the terrible capacity. In theory it can handle a maximum of 600 riders per minute which is already absurdly low. It's less than half of Batman's or Giant's hourly capacity, and even the nearby family coaster Runaway Mountain can do 950. But it gets worse: the "600 per hour" figure assumes every car has six guests, which is only possible if three guests sit in the laps of the other three. Sometimes you get couples who are cool with this, but other times the ops have weirdly sized groups and have to dispatch cars with only one or two guests, so on average the trains are half-full at best, which brings the capacity down to an abysmal 300 guests per hour. When those issues are combined with the prime location, relatively large footprint, room for expansion into the parking lot, and the booming population of the DFW area, La Vibora is the obvious candidate for removal.
Besides, Over Texas is landlocked, so if not La Vibora, what else could they take out? Shockwave? Too much history, and the plot of land isn't ideal. Mr. Freeze? That's a maintenance nightmare, but it's a massive draw when open and the park invested into a fresh coat of paint recently. Runaway Mine Train? Way too much history and trackwork was just done. Pandemonium? The capacity for that one also sucks, but its a more modern coaster with a similar thrill factor to La Vibora on a much more compact plot surrounded by other attractions. Judge Roy? This is probably the only other coaster that makes sense to remove, but it's the park's only true woodie, has the history factor, is fairly isolated, and has a narrow out-and-back layout that limits what a potential replacement could be. No matter how you slice it, it has to be La Vibora. It's the most disposable coaster in the lineup.
Edit: they actually mention Mr. Freeze and Shockwave as closure candidates. I think it's possible for Freeze but very unlikely for Shockwave. Again, Freeze draws huge crowds, and while you could make the excuse that its maintenance problems and high operating expenses make it similar to Kingda Ka, I don't think either are as bad for Freeze. As for Shockwave, I doubt it costs much to operate, since it seems to have a fairly small crew, can get parts from Gerstlauer, and doesn't require a launch. It's also reliable, operates on a plot you can't do much with, and has those iconic loops visible off the interstate. Plus, it's the only coaster aside from Batman with multiple inversions, so until a new sit-down looper comes to the park, Shockwave is an essential part of the lineup. Even if it never draws a huge crowd, the same is true Judge Roy Scream, which also operates less frequently, has a bigger (albeit narrow) plot, and is much more maintenance intensive by virtue of being a woodie. I'd bet on the Judge getting removed over Shockwave.
I would also like to add that Shock Wave and Judge Roy scream having short waits is also attributed to the fact that they are off the beaten path at the edges of the park. Their entrances are not on main pathways. Titan proves this theory as most times when I visit I don’t have to wait very long in its line if at all; even when it’s the tallest coaster in the park. It is very ironic at SFOT as higher capacity rides like Titan, Shock Wave, and Batman are at the edges of the park, and lows capacity ones like Runaway Mountain and Pandemonium are at the center on main pathways inside the park.
Great points - Shockwave is in a flood zone, so it's more expensive to build something new on such a big site. Also, if Green Lantern is relocated to SFSTL as a floorless, it would likely replace their Mr. Freeze. So OT would get spares to extend its ops. I'd like to see OT bring in Gravity Group to reprofile Judge with precut track. Add some banking and actual airtime pops, and it'd be a more popular ride. But I have no complaints about replacing La Vibora with a massive dive. Gives the park a high-capacity, reliable magnet (hopefully with 6 or 7 inversions) that replaces a family coaster long past its prime.
Love the analogy at the end about the cheap boots vs. the expensive ones- lol spot on
Valley reintroduced ValleyScare this year, Valleyfair reported that it was the most attended fall event in their history. And that’s saying something because ValleyScare has always been well attended and the most profitable season for the park.
That's fantastic to hear, because removing ValleyScare the last two years is EASILY the most boneheaded decision Valleyfair has ever made. I don't know if it was because of Covid or because they were scared of the youths coming in and starting riots, but it was an extremely cowardly decision that cost the park dearly.
It also ties up nicely with rumors that we _might_ get something in 2026. We have the space in the front of the park for a new coaster. As for removing problematic rides... Valleyfair really doesn't have too many. Possibly Steel Venom because of issues with Intamin Impulses. But otherwise the only other options are replacing one or two of the smaller coasters (Corkscrew, Excalibur, Mad Mouse) with newer rides.
I also don't see Cedar Fair's management looking to sell off the park, one because of their history within the chain, and two because VF is in a flood plain near an industrial part of town. Won't get a lot of money trying to sell it, but isn't losing money keeping it either.
It’s soooooo rough and my home park(Thorpe park) has colossus and that almost pales under on the rough scale. Big fans across the pond btw!!!!
Never thought I would see the potential day where Ka closes before Demon at my home park does.
I feel like vertical velocity at discovery Kingdom is going to be getting demolished. Last time I went, which was in July, and the ground leading to vertical velocity was completely destroyed.
at least great escape got their replacement damn near immediately. Also flashback repaint plus new trains is giving me hope for my home park
I like to look at Costco as an example of loyalty to members/guests. Why do you think the hotdog is still $1.50 or the chicken $5? (most places). Costco loses a lot of money on sales and products but what they gain is cardholders and money from these memberships which parkgoers mostly pay for memberships. what I'm getting at is if six flags ran Costco like these parks right now, they'd probably remove food court and raise chickens to like $12 because they "lose money". the people are the ones who pay to be there and just removing these historic attractions without any fanfare/last chances is going to hurt them like Sarah said.
I agree. Kingda Ka gives them World Wide bragging rights. Without KDK, SFGAd is just another "me too" park... but with El Toro.
I feel grateful to have ridden La Vibora back on October 27. Not the smoothest, but quite the experience
Totally agree! If they give out announcements of closing of a specific ride it keeps us at least in the know and can enjoy it one last time as a great memory. SFNE basically tore down Goliath Towers during COVID and winter and had to go and see that it was missing one day once they opened. That was kinda awful even though it was probably time to go anyways.
At SFMM, I would keep my eye on Superman; perhaps the new coaster has been pushed to 2026 not so much because of any other reason other than it would be in the way of demolition for Superman.
Please keep drop of doom.
Indeed. Superman's days are numbered
@@DanielAgustin-z7oWell, if one comes down, they both have to.
I hope they keep Superman, even its its only available to ride during weekends or holiday events. Its too nostalgic for me to loose and it was my favorite back in my 1997 and 1999 trips and throughout the 2000s. I miss the original trains from before 2013!
@@The8BitNerdthey can keep the tower. They won’t though if Superman goes it’s going to. Both of those rides are problematic and on top of that Intamins.
X2 really scares me actually. It seems unbelievable that it might be screwed but it’s also extremely expensive. One of its trains went for refurb years ago and never came back. It’s been on one train a lot. Seeing them rip KA out of Great Adventure though sets a standard, nothing is safe. I do think Superman will go first though
Thank god I managed to ride Kingda Ka 2 years ago, sadly I never got to top thrill dragster before it closed.
same here
Bobsled (la vibora) and the Larson Loop at SFOT are closed and being removed. Shockwave will stay for the foreseeable future. It is a part of the parks identity. The park has committed to keeping the ride operating as long as possible which is why it gets re-tracked and refurbed almost every year. Freeze is an interesting take. There has been talk of upgrading the ride to a more reliable launch like LSMs, but time will tell.
I hope both Shockwave and Mr Freeze stick around for a long time! But when Six Flags is pretty ruthlessly removing rides that have been expensive or problematic within the chain, doesn't matter how well liked it is, those two do come to mind among the SFOT line up. We'll have to see what happens. Fingers crossed they stick around.
You've convinced me to make my first trip to SFGA this weekend. Fortunately I live a 3 hour drive away so last minute plans were possible. I'm sad El Toro is closed for my first visit. Just hoping Kingda Ka doesn't break down before I get a try.
Old Six Flags Great Escape Ride Op employee here. If a single leaf fell on the trough it would shut down. Not even joking (Alpine Bobsled)
oof. thats brutal.
Remember, this company (or remnants of it) closed Geauga Lake without any announcement, so it’s not really a new thing. 😞. Still, it does suck for regular visitors when something is just ripped out without any warning, so my condolences to fans of SfGAdv and SFoT.
From what I've been hearing from the Texas Thrill Seekers FB page, it isn't just La Vibora that's going bye-bye. El Diablo, the Larsen looper, is also closing. As Six Flags Over Texas is my home park, I have a couple of ideas in my mind:
1. Mr. Freeze shouldn't be closing. It's a signature attraction and quite beloved. What I'd do is simple..replace the LIMs with an LSM launch system.
2. Shock Wave is a gem of a ride and definitely has a nostalgic place in many guests' hearts. If it does go for some reason, I'd say let Vekoma come in with a whole new layout, perhaps a tilt coaster. Name it "Shock Wave 2.0" or something like that.
3. To replace La Vibora and El Diablo, I have a couple of ideas: either an RMC Raptor or GCI woodie, both with compact, custom layouts.
It wont just be la vibora. Another coaster will be facing its end too. I think judge roy scream is about to retire.
10:52 Batwing is also in the legacy Six Flags park that is by far the most likely to get CGAed.
The local rumor mill says that Shockwave is next in line for a repaint.
Was that before the merger or after? If it was before, its very possible that is on hold or cancelled. A lot of changes have been happening since the companies combined.
It was just a couple days ago. I came across it on Facebook, I believe in the “Texas Thrill Seekers” group.
Oh man, I always wanted to try one of those bobsled coasters. They look fun!
Mrfreeze, I got so scared at first because I thought u meant at St. Louis. Mrfreeze has flawless operations best in the park definitely (best for operations 2nd best in the park behind boss)
I am the someone that La Vibora means something too. This was one of my first experiences at an amusement park, and the colors and the chaos of this ride is what made me fall in love with roller coasters. I do agree that this is not the most pleasant experience, I am excited to see what will become the anchor to this area of the park with the absence of La Vibora.
La Vibora has apparently closed permanently and is already listed as “removed” on RCDB.
I'm surprised the Six Flags of then never turned La Vibora into an indoor coaster like how Avalanche Run at Cedar Point became Disaster Transport.
update - The Local Rumor Mill (trademark that!) says work on removing both La Vibora and El Diablo started LAST WEEK! The park is booked out for private events after today, it reopens on the 24th for Holiday In The Park.
Any word on what they're replacing it with?
Glad to get good coaster news. You and brandon are probably top two on the internet
The amount of rides that you guys mentioned to possibly taken down is really sad for me. (i.e. Mr. Freeze, Shockwave, Batwing, and even my home park Six Flags America.) Although you guys are just guessing, I feel like you guys are right. It’s just a reminder for me as an enthusiast, that the world can be tough. I have been going to six flags America since I was a kid. And so many rides at Six Flags Over Texas was shocking to me😢😢😢. I physically cannot accept that these could be gone.😢 I do also really want to thank you guys for letting me know about this possibility in advance.
Hey Six Flags America is my “home” park too! I haven’t been in years though. Only this past year have I started going back to parks because my friend from SoCal loves coasters. Even when he visited me here in Maryland, he rather wanted to go to Great Adventure in New Jersey and Kings Dominion in Virginia, haha. He skipped ours. I keep hearing about the bad guest behavior thing and it did seem true when I was there in the 00s but is it _still_ really a problem? Like, what is management doing? How have they not addressed it by now?
@ Yeah, unfortunately they used to have guest behavior issues. The good news is they have fixed those problems. I’ve noticed that they have been cleaning up the park a lot more now. They just re-did the whole southwest area (where Mind eraser used to be) and called it steam town. I would argue that it competes with some of the better area of theme parks too. The area around Superman looks really good too. Another good thing is that they recently have been running two trains, which really helps with capacity. Overall there are a few places that they could improve like the whistle stop kid area. Personally that area looks pretty bad especially when they permanently closed it. All the rides are like half taken out and there are markings everywhere on the ground.
Yeah they have worked a lot on the park over the past several years. You should definitely give it a try. :)
Kingda ka is not going anywhere and I can’t believe people think markings mean it’s done. Clearly nobody remembers tt2 getting marked up
Well it’s gone
My opinion on the Magic Mountain rides you mentioned.
Viper, sounds ridiculous considering the rumors for years but I’m betting it stays awhile. That ride is a tank, say what you want about it, but it’s always running. Highly doubt it’s a huge money eater. If it was it would’ve probably been gone awhile ago considering the low ridership. There’s 4 rides in this park i’d consider more at risk. From least likely to most likely to go i’d guess this
Scream, not a money eater, but at the same time really doesn’t do much for them. If they transferred this to another park I highly doubt magic mountain would get a drastic attendance drop, but some other parks would definitely spike even if you stuck this mid ride in there.
Ninja, this ride is really showing its age sadly and they’ve had to put a good chunk of money into it recently to keep it up. One of the ops on it told me it was on its last legs. I don’t think they’d want to remove this, but there’s definitely a time and money limit on it i think.
X2, if this goes I legitimately would cry. Thankfully this year it’s been running fairly good. It’s definitely a money eater and not the best uptime record and that scares me. It’s third train has been out for “refurbishment” for almost 5 years. It’s second train is getting really rough now too. There’s complaints about roughness from guests on it. It doesn’t look that good for it if this is the chain’s future.
Superman seems almost doomed to get canned. It rarely runs, when it does run it’s only one side. It sticks right into the plot they just cleared out. Tons of electricity to run, and unlike X2 i doubt there would be a gigantic attendance drop for removing it. Some would be sad including me, but I think most of us could live without that literal jet engine deafening the entire park. At that it’s an Intamin, we know cedar fair is no fan of those. Ka is an intamin, la vibora is an intamin. I hope they keep superman especially the forward side up a little while to give us time to enjoy it but i wouldn’t be surprised if it goes at all.
Please please leave X2 alone 🙏
The one that I wouldn't miss is Scream. I usually skip it. If I do ride it, then I do it at the end of the day because my day would pretty much be ruined if I rode it earlier. It's like that coaster was designed specifically to give me a headache and I probably wouldn't be that into it even if that weren't the case.
I would also legit cry over X2.
Magic Mountain was my home Six Flags for years. Viper is usually always running and the last time I wrote it wasn't as rough as I remembered. Ninja is fantastic in the way it uses terrain, if it gets the ax I hope they replace it with something that gives a similar ride experience. Scream is a parking lot coaster and could easily be relocated and replace with something else. My one concern would be that that would lead to Riddler being converted into a floorless coaters, what should be unfortunate because I actually think it's great as a stand up. X2 even on a rough day is a fantastic experience, but it's no secret it needs constant tinkering.
@@Aran.Tech.Television i personally think if Ninja went they would stick a vekoma family suspended coaster in its place
RMC the boss! Probs never will cause St. Louis population is going but dang that layout has so much potential.
That’s never gonna happen realistically. The boss is still a popular ride in its park and I’m confident that no six flags parks will ever get an RMC conversion ever again. If they were going to do it it would have been done at the peak of conversions during the 2010s. Since 2020 there have been 2 RMC conversions, neither of which is from a six flags park
La Viboras days have got to be numbered
It’s already closed
Having lived through Six Flags America being Wild World and Adventure World, even though it's not the nicest park in the chain by any means, it holds a very sentimental value to me, and my kids, so to see it go would hurt badly. There are times we will go down on a weekend for a few hours or in the summer after work during the week. It's nice to have a local park when you don't want to travel a couple hours away to one of the other bigger ones. Not to mention the local people that go there, especially during the summer are people who won't, or maybe can't, travel to the other parks that are further away.
Hurricane Harbor is absolutely packed during the summer with families. And because of where the park is located a lot of the younger people that live nearby take public transportation to get there because they have no other way. Yes we have had problems there in the past with guest behavior but recently when we've gone there has been a really strong police/security presence and things have been quieter. Tyler and I have discussed the possibility of them closing the park and just leaving Hurricane Harbor so maybe if they do decide to to something that could be an option. Either way if they do decide to close it down it will be a very sad day for those of us who grew up with the park going through all it's different phases making memories with friends/families and eventually with our own children 😢
I’ve read that the land SFA is on is worth over $230 million. I would be shocked if they didn’t close it, sell the land and move rides/assets to other parks. Especially, to some of the smaller parks that are still profitable.
I just bought a souvenir mug from Six Flags America last time I was there during Halloween 2024, just because my gut tells me that its days are numbered.
@@caffeinatedtrouble That will be an extremely sad day if and when it comes 😔
Riding Kingda Ka was on our bucketlist, but guess it wasn’t meant to be….
True:(
I was upset at first but I think it’s good the parks are getting new attractions it will bring new life and more attendance plus with all the money they have now I can only see amazing things for all their properties and yes even Michigan’s adventure
When I went to SFOT the first time about a year and a half ago now, La Vibora was closed and I wanted to ride it, I wanted to ride at least one Intamin Bobsled.
same ive never been on one either they look so fun
For SFOT I could see Judge Roy Scream leaving before Shockwave, but I could realistically see Mr. Freeze being first along with La Vibora.
Judge Roy scream needs to go. That’s such a good sport for a raptor or a Dive coaster
As much as I love La Víbora and seeing it and hearing the loud sounds as I walk into the park, imagine if SixFlags Corp. put a brand new coaster (whatever that might be) in that plot of land. It would create a new sense of excitement for years to come
I went to Six Flags Over Texas at the beginning of October. Rollercoasters kept closing and then the lines were insane. Even with the haunted houses open. It was so packed. Which is fine. But the Rollercoasters closing was crazy. Cause once they started running again, the lines were long
This is bittersweet for me because Six Flags Over Texas is my home park. I live 18 to 24 minutes away. La Vibora is an historic coaster like you guys say. It's Intamin's third oldest operating coaster; however, every time I've ridden it has hurt so bad. 🤔
I live a bit further away (europe) got the cred i wouldn't mind if they replaced it with something decent that park can really use a decent coaster a new gen vekoma would fit nicely into that park since its more family firndly then the other six flags parks.
Im already starting to see some of the things begin to happen, that I SO feared would happen with this merger. You are going to see park closures, you are going to see ride removals and ride relocations. I've seen it all before. I saw what Six flags did to my beloved Kentucky kingdom back in the day.
As a matter of fact... Green lantern is one of the rides that was stolen from Kentucky kingdom
Honestly, its not just the enthusiasts, its also season passholders in general. Every park keeps on promoting their passes above everything else, so its clear they value their loyal fanbase. I know for a fact a good portion of season passholders at Great Adventure won't be renewing their pass. Take a look at Kings Dominion. I still hear GP complaining about Volcano to this day, literally this month I heard someone talking about it in the Twisted Timbers queue. There's a reason why so many people didn't like when Cedar Fair took over, and I can't understand how they didn't learn that yet.
If they close Mind Bender I would absolutely lose it.
Hopefully they close. These stupid statements from SF fanboys. Seeing you idiots spiral would be joyful. SF legacy parks suck, CF management is trying to turn around their failure, Just look at the first combined financials...111M net income in Q3 , CF legacy parks produced 108M of it, SF legacy parks produces 3M
The main problem I have with this is the complete lack of warning. Let people get their last rides in.
"They will close Batwing, and send parts to Nighthawk"
😂😂😂
lol who woulda thought
Flash V2 at sfdk has to be on the chopping block because I can’t remember the last I went and it was open
its very unreliable
It was open in May when I went but I think it closed a week later I always get lucky with that ride I always seem to go when it’s running
As a ride operator at magic mountain, I’ve heard that 2025 will be its last year and that maintenance is working to run both sides one last time for guests to ride. That’s as of a few months ago after the small fire but I don’t know if things have changed.
This merger looks like it’s seemingly going to spell the end to any classic/outdated or problematic coasters in the chain
Six Flags better be putting some real money into attractions if they’re gonna keep axing rides at this rate.
Really good analogy with the cheap boots vs more expensive boots Six Flags/Cedar Fair comparison. I can definitely see that. Glad I got on Batwing the one and only time I went to Six Flags America in 2018. It was such a unique ride experience and felt way more intense than any B&M I'd been on. It was my favorite coaster in the park that day (just ahead of Superman), and it would be a shame to lose something so different. But I'd get it, the ride operations took FOREVER, and even with a short line, we didn't attempt a re-ride because it took comically long to load that thing.
Wow. I just built a copy of La Vibora in RCT2 yesterday. I had no idea that ride actually exists (for now).
Yea still exists. I road it last year. Sure its rough but its a classic
The biggest issue I have with Mind Bender going away is it is one of the few intermediate coasters at SFOGeorgia that kids can get on. Financially, that takes out a pretty big group of people willing to pay for that park. It is my home park and we have a younger child that is just now almost hitting 48 inches. If it wasnt for Mind Bender, my son would still not have his first upside down coaster, which has been a big deal in making him a lifelong customer for the whole chain and gave us a reason to pay for the park the last two years. It may not be the most immediate money in their pocket, but it will mean more consistent money over time. I get the argument for taking out older rides, but if they do it, I hope they put in similar replacements, if nothing else.
I still wonder why Xcelerator is ok to dump money into and keep running normally but ka and dragster have to be removed.
There’s no space in that park to redo Xcelerator and replacing it with something better on that footprint will be damn near impossible. That’s why they really are trying to squeeze it
@ that park can find space for anything. They had legit fans for a giga a little while ago
*plans
Kingda ka is one that will hurt us the most
I literally just said to my husband “we need to plan a trip to six flags in cali so I can get another ride on x2 and say goodbye” his response: “the way you said that made it seem like something bad was about to happen”. ME: SOMETHING BAD IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN 😂😂😂
X2 isn’t going anywhere…
@@Vinsanity1521that’s what people said about Ka. X2 is down half the year, never opens with the park, and costs a fortune in upkeep.
@@Themeparkanxietyyou're not wrong, X2 could be on the chopping block due its high maintenance costs, even though it's the most popular ride in the park, cedar fair wouldn't care they would still remove it. Another ride I could see go is Ninja and they could replace it with a vekoma inverted coaster, something like dragon flyer at dollywood or those 2 vekoma suspended models in Europe. But I'll be sure to keep an eye on them just in case
@@Themeparkanxietydown half the year?! I think you’re misinformed…either way, it’s not going anywhere anytime soon…
@@Vinsanity1521I live 10 minutes from the park. Trust me, I’m not misinformed.
Oh and I didn’t even mention the audio no longer works, trains look worn, effects don’t work half the time, and it’s rough as hell? 😅
I don't think they will be relocating any coasters. I think Cedar Fair came to the conclusion after moving the Geauga Lake coasters that it's more cost effective to sell them off over seas or scrap them. Or, like the Maverick heart line roll and Wicked Twister, sell the scrap for way more than scrap value as collectibles.
Maybe (as long as Great Escape remains) we will see a replacement for Steamin Demon. The were putting an emphasis on it was it’s 40th anniversary at the park on closing day…. I think a new Vekoma thrill coaster or a Raptor (a mirrored Jersey Devil) would look great at the front of the park.
I definitely agree with this and honestly it could use it. This ride hurts and the park needs more great rides like Bobcat.
All I have to say is if they start taking out rides, especially at my home park at Six Flags over Texas. They best replace it with something and not just leave it empty because I’m already on the fence not getting a 2026 season pass I pay a whole Lotta money for these passes if you start removing rides and taking away parks. I will just say GOODBYE 8:16
Aaaand guess what; as of todayt La Vibora has just closed without a proper announcement. Shame, I loved Bob at Efteling and was sad to see that close and now there's no more of this kind unless it gets relocated but I heavily doubt that.
Knew about it closing last week, but was told not to say anything. Keep your eyes peeled for other news regarding what's coming after la vibora.
They just should just announce things if they close things. In the end people will understand why they closed it even if they aren't happy with it.
I'm from the Netherlands and efteling is my homepark when they said they would close spookhouse wich was a very iconic attraction it was an event. Nobody really liked it but there where thousands of visitors for the closing "ceremony". And well they did get a very nice replacement wich honors the old one.
Same with Pegasus, Monsieur Canibal, and Bob. Replaced, instead of an empty space.
Only outlier is the whale one near the restaurant, my daughter loved that one too 😢
These coaster enthusiasts are making wild assumptions based on rumors. Why not wait until the offseason or next season to see what actually unfolds. Because as of today, none of the rumored rides has officially been removed. And if the rumors end up being true, maybe leaking the information is their way of quietly letting people know.
“As of today” La Vibora is indeed closed forever 💁♂️
I know a lot of people are mad or upset with these decisions, however, they have to remember that this is a business. The only way to keep it running is to make profit and take care of their debt.
Edit: Awesome video as always Taylor and Sarah!
Ok but at the same time tho they should've been Said something! So everyone could've got their last rides in! That's exactly what kennywood did with steel phantom announced in March it was gonna close! And everyone got so many rides on it before it closed
Its not the closures its the announcements or the lack there off.
Funny how you think Mr Freeze is going to go when they have been constantly switching the trains on it for a different experience. Its also sone of the most efficient rides in the park for operations.
They used to close rides without warning during the ride rotation days. Including "La Vibora" when it was "Sarajevo Bobsleds" at Six Flags Magic Mountain. There might be a newsblurb on a local TV station that would usually get the name of the ride wrong about something closing at a park and that's it.
And yet... disaster transport was a thing. But that was fully enclosed bobsled. That one was super fun!!!
So this is my honest opinion on La Vibora from when i visited SFoT for my first time in 2022. The percentage of change of what i expected to what experience i got was the greatest over any other right in the park, I knew NTG was going to be break, Titan is good, but i went in expecting La Vibora to be boring, but i got off smiling planning on doing it again once i got around the whole park.
So glad i got to say hi to you behind the skyline at kings island! That was a great day to be at the park
I believe Six Flags America will sell off the unused land surrounding the parks.
Ninja ain't bad and boss is one of the best wooden coasters in the country
I’m sad La Vibora is probably closing, but I’m happy I got to ride it once before it does. I felt like it was trying to kill me, great fun!
this thumbnail is pretty hilarious
Was lucky enough to get to Great Adventure to ride Kingda Ka yesterday. Park was pretty empty. One of the two operational trains was taken out for service in the afternoon. Heads up that the entire end of the park with El Toro, Medusa, and Runaway Main Train was fenced off and likely closed for the season.
They do a lot of work on El Toro's woodwork between seasons every season
SFOT is my homework and we have been needing a good coaster for YEARS! Please get rid of those 3 mentioned and give us something worth a ride.
I'll really muss La Vibora when it goes because it was the first Six Flags coaster that I ever rode and it led me to becoming an enthusiast!
1:29 yeah! Like slcs are to tanner Tucker 🤦🏻
It is a business, and businesses need to make money. As you stated, Cedar Fair had no ties to the original parks so if something isn't generating money or costing too much money, they will remove it and bring something in that will make them money. Also, the parks care about the bottom line, and no offense to coaster enthusiasts (i ride as well), its the public that brings in the money.
I am a avid visitor to St. Louis and Boss needs some track work or get the RMC Treatment it is getting rough
to me it so sad for six flags over texas to be my home park and thinking that these rides that i grew up on might close even if i dont ride them every time I go