I put FRETS on my violin and this is what happened
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ย. 2024
- Frets on your violin: weird, but fun to try!
I found the Fiddle Fretter online, and was very curious to have a go at it. :-)
-Marijke
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This time I am playing famous bass lines on a fretted OCTAVE violin: th-cam.com/video/5HcYY1LxeI4/w-d-xo.html
This is so awesome! Thanks for the great music!
Ummmmmm...
I tink I'm in love
Hey Marijke tjek viool beest Mark Wood made great music early album violin violence on his selfmade violins like 3 at a super belt, enjoy his band
"when you get this high the frets are mainly in the way"
*Every mandolin player cried out in the distance*
I just got one and can already relate 😪
The higher I get, the more the frets help 🙄
The dominion wants to know your location lol
@@theredlogician4743 They'll never take me alive
Ha ha, chekmate, I play both!
Now fit a whammy bar! :D
And maybe a humbucker pickup.
Forget that. Start with a pair of humbuckers!!!
Yesss, floyd rose tremolo plz
and a pack of super slinky
Floyd rose next
As a guitar player:
Yes, your fingers need to be placed close behind the fret. For guitar, that's a common rule.
As for some technical info:
It is a rule of thumb, the distance of each fret, from the previous one,
is around 1/18th of the rest of the string, up to the bridge, measured from the previous fret.
So ....
If the sticker is not placed perfectly behind the nut, it will become more out of tune, further down the neck.
Of course, the bridge needs to be placed perfectly as well, as you know.
I use flageolet at the 12th fret to see if it really is an octave.
What about intonation?
@@alexroca6981 Correct. Frets are not everything. They just there to play correct notes. But you can push the string against the fret board. Some fret boards even have hollowed out dents in them. Notes will be slightly off.
@michael mccann Oh yeah ! Of course ! That makes thing a lot easier. But a violin has a bridge that can be moved. It's not fixed.
@@wernerboden239 omg no fix bridge 😱 weird
Lol a guitarist trying to give a real musician advice.
All the violins screamed in horror when all the strings came off at once...then sighed in relief when they realized it was an electric lol
😝
Is background music necessary?
Non-violinist here: are you not supposed to remove all the strings at once?
@@keyshialee1585 no. The bridge and soundpost will fall down. Change only one string at a time.
@@concertmasterntl why is the bridge falling over a big deal to a violinist?
To some people this might be considered a crime, but in my opinion anything that makes this confounded instrument easier to play is well worth consideration. My fiddle fell apart 5 times from the excess humidity in tropical Indonesian jungles, so I finally superglued the whole thing together and never had another problem, much to the horror of many other fiddle players :) If it works, go for it :)
that must be some good glue
Just curious why you never got a carbon fiber fiddle?
Lmfao
Nice one Terry.
I' do that only with an instrument that is not supposed to last forever. Once it breaks, you might just throw it away because it is hardly fixable.
I painted my frets on my violin 30 years ago with metallic paint it is still there to this day working perfectly.
... and they never wear down.
@@ThunderboltWisdom S A V A G E
Spooky. But hey, whatever floats your boat...
This time I played famous bass lines on a fretted OCTAVE violin: th-cam.com/video/5HcYY1LxeI4/w-d-xo.html
As a guitar player, I always wondered how you bowed string players did it without frets. But I think it is better without.
This time I played famous bass lines on a fretted OCTAVE violin: th-cam.com/video/5HcYY1LxeI4/w-d-xo.html
As a bassist who plays fretless, I remember the transition from fretted to fretless. Takes about 10 minutes to adjust. After that you have microtonal control of intonation. If you want to try fretless guitar, they exist, but you need serious chops to make them sound good. Check this out: th-cam.com/video/Z5nyGeUPOUg/w-d-xo.html
@@emdiar6588 yea honestly it isn't hard. you've heard the same notes billions of times, you've already memorized them, its not much work.
@@editingdude122 Right, for solos maybe, chords on a fretless guitar are a disaster...
Wow, I didn't expect so many people to watch a video about a fretted violin! (Also, I've never seen this many curious guitar and bass players up here before, haha!)
So how about a part 2 video, where I try some old-fashioned gut frets? 😉
My daughter plays violin... ive always been so curious about frets... lol
Thank you for ending my curious nature
TOO FUNNY!: Violinists want frets for Macro tones, as Guitarists want fretless for more microtones.
Hoi Marijke. Did you actually move the bridge to intonate the octave? Also, it probably takes some getting used to playing lightly with the left hand, which I assume is counter intuitive. Pressing to hard will be like bending the note sharp. Interesting experiment.
I didn't, because I was afraid I wouldn't be able to get it back in the exact same place.
You were blessed by the algorithm. Most of us watched a guy using guitar strings on a piano or something similar.
Fiddle Fretter sounds like a delicious 90s snack made by Nabisco that people my age would lament its discontinuation on 90s nostalgia FB pages.
But I remember Fritter and a fretless fiddle.
@@nolan412 I loved that stuff. I need the Faddle!!!
Could also be the name for a knock-off fidget spinner, or other fidget toy
And the LA BEAST would have eaten some stale ones and then washed them down with Ecto Cooler before throwing everything up.
@@Sheepdog_Alpha Have a good day!
I have never tried a violin. But as a guitar player, I have always thought that it must be challenging finding the exact spot for the left hand fingers to play in tune.
It definitely is. That makes it hard but also very rewarding. 🙂
Every experimented player unconsciously plays exactly behind the fret anyways, shouldn't be extremely hard.
As a violinist, guitarist, banjoist, etc, I can tell you it really is not that bad. I learned the guitar before the violin and it was a real challenge at first. However, once I got the hang of it I liked it because now I could make the EXACT sound that I wanted. I was no longer a slave to the fret board.
@@coffeeisgood102 seems encouraging to try indeed
@@coffeeisgood102 Cool last name! I can see the appeal to having more freedom on the finger board. Buzzing frets and intonation problems (caused by hardware) are annoying. If your instrument is being temperamental due to the environment, then I'd imagine you have some flexibility to adjust to it on the fly. At the same time, you're also more exposed and responsible. If my intonation is off on a guitar, then I can just blame the hardware. I need new strings or a setup. If yours is off on a violin, then I guess you just screwed up :D
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@@gmamusic2792 they are unbearably cringe.
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I knew it LOL
Nice video. As a guitar player for a long time now, it's worth mentioning that frets don't solve every intonation issue on the guitar. You have to put your fingers in the right spot, just behind the fret, and pitch will vary depending on how hard you press, etc.
This time I played famous bass lines on a fretted OCTAVE violin: th-cam.com/video/5HcYY1LxeI4/w-d-xo.html
Honestly, I found it kinda funny that everything she said was not because of the product, but simply how frets work
seriously. of course it's bumpy, welcome to frets.
For a player who's never experienced frets before, I'd expect the same.
To be fair, that means it works...(probably?)
She's a violinist, reacting to a new experience, explaining it for the benefit of other violinists who have also probably never experienced frets.
I'm a guitarist, so frets are just par for the course. Her reactions were pretty similar to when I first tried a fretless guitar. It's a little strange shifting from fretted to fretless instruments and probably vice versa.
The reason you’re getting flat results as you move in the “flat” direction away from the fret is the sharp angle to the bridge. Violin bridges sit higher in relation to the fingerboard than fretted instruments do. You could try fitting a cheap bridge down to a lower height and see if that doesn’t remedy the problem
Do violin players think in terms of the playing 'action' ? The floating bridge seems so high in relation to the fingerboard I'd always assumed that 'action' was somewhat irrelevant
If she got a lower bridge then it would make it much harder to play one string at a time
@@rosco1pug just like with fretted instruments, a higher action makes the strings more difficult to press down AND affects intonation. Professional players even have a different bridge for dry months and a different bridge for humid seasons because the top plate will rise and fall with seasonal changes just like a piano soundboard.
@@navster100 think mandolin. She has basically created a 4 string mandolin that can be bowed
Also part of the issue is that on a usual fretted instrument, you are also intonating the bridge. With guitar, for example, you adjust the bridge saddles so the 12th fret is exactly an octave higher than the open string. Without a custom bridge, it gets worse the further up the neck you go, just like it would if you adjusted an electric or acoustic guitar bridge "straight" across, like the violin. This doesn't apply or isn't needed on a violin, because you adjust that intonation with you finger position. A custom saddle could probably be 3D printed (with a bunch of trial and error) to make it work better with frets though...
"It appears with the frets the margin for error is greater"
Damn. We've been found out!
Lol!
Don't fret about it (sorry !)
And now with SCALOPED ones like Malmsteen's Fender.
Looking at those tiny frets and considering how I still manage to misplace my fingers on the guitar - I think it gives me a glance at what it actually means to learn the violin.
My guitar and bass are fretless. Takes getting used to but everything that is something comes with time.
What do you think about frets on a violin?
(And about the video sound: I accidentally deleted my microphone audio, which was pretty dumb... Next time we'll have crisp, non-echoing sound again! 😉)
Yikes! 😲 What do I think about frets on a violin?! As for me, I don't use frets, and I will never use frets on any of my violins. 😒 🎻 🎶🎵
Frets are anathema to the violin. If Antonio Stradivari of Cremona knew that frets were being used on violins, he'd probably be rolling over in his grave. 😢
One practices like one plays, and one plays like one practices. If a violin player begins with frets, he/she will be at the mercy of the dreaded frets for finger placement from there on. As for me, I rely on finger placement solely by the sound of the note, and then it's all muscle memory from there. 👍 😊
When I want a series of ridges fixed across the fingerboard of a stringed musical instrument, I'll play either my mandolin or ukulele. 🎸 🎶🎵
I agree with you Marijke. Frets are a hindrance on the violin, and should remain off altogether! And that I am sure. There's no straddling the fence on this issue with yours truly. 👌 😉
BTW: Didn’t we have this conversation before many moons ago of which we were both of one accord? 😥
@@christophertsiliacos8958 I think I had to experience this myself to find out if I like it or not. In the end, I think a violin is better off without frets. I think it's only convenient in very loud band settings. So I'll keep the frets on my electric violin for a while to see how I like it during band practice sessions. And it could very well be we talked about this before, knowing myself I would have been curious for it for sure, haha. But I'm glad I know what I know now about it. :-)
@@MarijkeViolin 👌 😉
The way strings are stopped differs on fretted and non fretted boards. No one is worse because both have advantages and issues, some more evident and others less. One of them is that the sound would be too much brighter to play with a bow.
I think playing fretted instruments helps a lot to better understand the notes localization. Some people might have too big pride to pay attention to it...
Nevertheless, I believe that marks, like tape, work better for this. Because if properly positioned they show precisely where the finger should be, which is always behind the fret goes, and even this depends on how flat you put the fingers on the string. They can, and sometimes must, be more or less flatter.
Can be a help for those musicians who want to have a try on the baroque violin coming from fretted instruments like lute and viola da gamba. Early music requires mostly first position play so you can limit the fretboard to 5 or 6 frets.
I saw the very first fiddle fretters. I worked in a very small music store in Windsor, Nova Scotia and a local musician came in and asked me what I thought about a temporary fret solution for violin (Peter) He actually had one of his fiddles fretted years before as an experiment. The idea behind the fretter is for students to get the feel for locations of the pitches. Him and I hashed around a whole bunch of different ideas. After several months he came up with the prototype that resembles the current design. He is a very nice man and wanted to help people enjoy learning fiddle. Some may say it's a terrible idea but they don't have to use it 😉.
It is a bad idea. It's like learning bicycle riding with carrying wheels. As you don't get the feel for balance that way, you won't be able to get good intonation on a violin with frets.
@@thomassiegler9898 yeah probably have to unlearn a bunch after using one
@@thomassiegler9898 But carrying wheels provide confidence to the beginner long enough for him/her to learn how to ride without touching them to pavement, after which they may be removed.
@@jefffisher7414 My teachers taught me to test my notes
One thing you didn't mention is something that every mandolin player knows about - adjusting the bridge to get the intonation right. On the mandolin (which usually has a floating bridge) you have adjust the bridge's position a millimetre at a time until the note at the 12th fret is an exact octave of the open string. (Normally you do this with the G and e strings and hope the D and a strings are right). I would expect this something you'd need to do with your violins since they also have floating bridges.
This time I played famous bass lines on a fretted OCTAVE violin: th-cam.com/video/5HcYY1LxeI4/w-d-xo.html
Having played viola as a kid and electric guitar as an adult, I've considered fretting an old instrument more than once. This is a good idea plus the ability to put on and remove without damage to the instrument is perfect. Research Fender Guitar history and you'll uncover how back in the 50's Leo Fender designed the electric bass with frets and called it the 'Precision Bass'. He created a new instrument market creating an easier to play bass in time for the launch of rock 'n roll. Now the novelty for bass players is getting a 'fretless' bass.
One might wonder if Rock would have ever been so prevalent without the electric bass? It would have definitely been a lot different.
Electric fretless bass is an abomination. The only people who like the sound is bass players. It just sounds like soft jazz elevator music from the 80s.
@@Dreyno I think Les Claypool might argue that point.
@@JR-ht1bo One swallow doesn’t make a summer. For every Primus there’s 50 session bassists trying to convince their client that “fretless bass would sound amazing on that song” and failing.
Oh that's what precision refers to.
*s a c r i l e g i o u s*
Totally.
Saw that coming..
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As a guitar player i applaud your willingness to experiment.
This time I played famous bass lines on a fretted OCTAVE violin: th-cam.com/video/5HcYY1LxeI4/w-d-xo.html
This is interesting because as a guitar and bass plsyer, i try to make tthem sound like a cello
Why don’t you learn to play a cello, and then actually play a cello ?
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@@a.f.4248 because they are expensive and require a great deal of dedication/time that I can't afford.
@@a.f.4248 Instrumentalists learn to imitate each other all the time, it's not an uncommon thing.
The grass is greener.....
I try and play guitar like a piano
Puts frets on a violin ! Now has the worlds weirdest ukulele 😆🤔
in 3 dradnats tuning
The very existence of an instrument is weird so why not get creative 😉
This time I played famous bass lines on a fretted OCTAVE violin: th-cam.com/video/5HcYY1LxeI4/w-d-xo.html
Fretted violins were actually around before the unfretted ones. The were called viols. You don't often see them today but the band Carbon Leaf's lead string player, Carter Gravat does play a fretted cello, called a viol de camba (literally leg violin)on certain songs.
This time I played famous bass lines on a fretted OCTAVE violin: th-cam.com/video/5HcYY1LxeI4/w-d-xo.html
Viola da gamba :)
Watching you really seems like watching a professional musician, you are so knowledgeable.
That's funny, because I feel like I just left the beginner phase. 😛 But trying frets as a beginner might give a realistic insight in what it's like for other beginners.
"When you are getting really high, the frets are mainly in the way"
I hear you sis
I never have good results when I play the violin really high or even sober for that matter!
Maybe this would work better on a viola where we have more room?
I make cigar box guitars. The bridge needs lowering and is in the wrong place slightly. That is what I would say if this was a guitar.
I guess you could cut the higher end of the sticky fret tape...
This time I played famous bass lines on a fretted OCTAVE violin: th-cam.com/video/5HcYY1LxeI4/w-d-xo.html
If one plays a fretless instrument long enough, one finds perfect intonation is not mathematical, as frets, but a subtle choice of being a minuscule degree of flat or sharp, as needed at the moment and set by the heart mind and soul.
I’ve discovered this as a jazz upright bassist
Because of the difference between just intonation and equal temperament, things like the key, your note in the chord (root, third, etc.), and your position in the chord (bottom/bass, top, inner) all inform the "proper" intonation of the note you play. Of course, "heart mind and soul" play a part in it too, but there is also physics and mathematics backing up the advantages of having free control over intonation.
Playing pedal steel guitar is a trip too. Learning to hold your mouth just right helps.
@@alxjones Definitely the curse of 12-tone equal temperament.
There is also the consideration of what note you are playing in the chord. For example its common to play the major 3rd slightly sharp when it resolves to the 4th to accentuate the tension and resolution. On the other hand a flat 7 resolving to the 6th sounds good when you play the 7th ever so slightly under pitch to create more tension and a stronger resolution downward.
Or cheat a little to get to the next note. Related: Been listening to a lot of jazz lately. Besides the recording issue in the early years, one thing stands out to me. Many solos played high on the neck of an upright are awful to listen to because … the notes are mostly not accurate. It hurts my brain. Yeah..I play a fretted bass, but I dabbled with an upright. It didn't take me long to play comfortably without looking! I gave it up because singing and playing was too difficult. I'd hear a bass note slightly off, and there goes my concentration on the vocal. Never tried an electric fretless. Just a wee rant.
Violins are the hardest instrument to play I don't see how how anyone ever invented music on them congratulations to anyone who has the patience to learn how and become a professional
Someone needed to hold a note longer ??
That's actually very well formulated!
I think the harp is much harder to learn than the violin.
@@golden.lights.twinkle2329 Why? You can pick correct tuned strings with your fingers. On the violin you have to find the sweetspot for the note on your own since there are (usual) no frets. Then you have to play the bow correctly as well. I'm sure that's way harder then playing a harp?
I started to play violin when I was 7, so I'm not the best to judge.
It is hard and very noisy and it requires regular practice especially at the beginning of a musical journey... but have you tried French Horn?
That's f... hard instrument!!!
And if you're in the orchestra you almost always plays solo!!! :)
As I recall, there's another instrument, no longer in common use, that was mostly a violin with frets. I think it the general consensus has been that violins sound better without frets.
The viola d’amore?
GORGEOUS, I don't know about any one else, the violin is not the only reason I'm watching!!!
This time I played famous bass lines on a fretted OCTAVE violin: th-cam.com/video/5HcYY1LxeI4/w-d-xo.html
Welcome to the frustration of all guitar players. Intonation…. Well….. it’s a labor of love
Don't tell her about scalloped frets and the practice needed to 'not' touch the strings to the neck while fretting them.
@@terrylandess6072 omg yes. another reason why I prefer classic frets than big jumbo frets, generally for the same reasons, but of course no where near the same degree
This time I played famous bass lines on a fretted OCTAVE violin: th-cam.com/video/5HcYY1LxeI4/w-d-xo.html
I prefer using my fingers. I have been playing violin for just over two years now and I have hardly ever used stickers on my violin.
Me too. I thought I would love having frets, but now I'm not so sure. 😅 I will keep them on my electric for a while, though.
One other danger with these is that not every violin has the exact same vibrating string length. It's less of an issue with electric violins where everything is made to standard measurements and the bridge placement doesn't change. But slight differences in the violin can throw all the frets out of tune.
Indeed! I noticed first position worked fine, but higher up the notes were off. I guess built-in frets combined with a non-movable bridge could work really well.
That’s what I was thinking too!
(Still appreciate this, as I do all your videos!)
You have to adjust the placement of the bridge.
@@MarijkeViolin A moveable bridge is ideal because it allows you to adjust the intonation for different string gauges or materials. The intonation on guitars with fixed bridges for, example, typically isn't great. However, you would need a moveable compensated bridge, as in a mandolin or archtop guitar, for this to really work, and even then you'd be limited to 12 tet intonation like a classical guitar or synthesizer, which isn't idiomatic to any existing violin styles. Moreover, one would have to really refine their bowing technique to avoid pulling strings sharp, since you can't compensate for that at the fingers. And on an electric violin in that style proper bridge placement vis a vis the pickup might interfer with proper bridge placement vis the frets. Which was my experience with the fiddle fretter, I couldn't intonate at the frets while still placing the bridge on top of the pickups ☹️
@@adamedmour9704 Exactly. I've tried moveable kite string frets on my violin after the style of a viola da gamba and discovered that each fret's position needs to be different under each string.
I’ve been designing and building fretted violins for over 30 and have actually recommended this product to customer apprehensive about purchasing a fretted violin. It’s quite inexpensive and will also work on a 5 string violin. Once the frets are installed you do need to adjust the bridge to correct the intonation the same way you would intonate a guitar.
And you'll screw up your left hand technique!
It's irresponsible to give them away.
Especially for beginners.
@@thomassiegler9898 quit living in the past skippy
This time I played famous bass lines on a fretted OCTAVE violin: th-cam.com/video/5HcYY1LxeI4/w-d-xo.html
I play Irish fiddle but I have dyspraxia so my fingers don't always go where my brain wants them to go, so this thing helps a lot and enables me to play properly, but it's difficult to explain to people who see it and just think I'm cheating, which just makes me look like someone pretending to be able to play the violin.
Another *IntEreStiNg* video! I wonder how Brett and Eddy would feel about this. . . .
- Ana
Haha, it would be fun if they had a go at frets too. 😋
@@MarijkeViolin Especially since Eddy has Perfect Pitch!😂🙃
- Ana
Perfect pitch is no substitute for a ‘frame’ though. I guess having a solid frame is the key to solid intonation. There are many good teachers on TH-cam who explain this concept.
@@anlingitalia I agree!
It may have a _slightest_ different pitch when playing, and that can throw him off, it seems. Yes, perfect pitch can't always save you, and perfect pitch can come in different frequencies depending on how or what they were trained by. (Besides being born with it ;) lol)
Have a nice day/night!
- Ana
ps. I 'll have to check some out, thanks.
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Whether you’re playing
a note using equal temperament or just temperament, there remains only one fundamental pitch that’s actually in tune with the previous or next note relative to the tonic. What you’re experiencing is your ear’s tolerance to pitch; in other words, how many cents or percentage points within a semitone that the pitch can vary up or down and you actually start to perceive a change in the pitch. It is really super necessary on a violin to have excellent pitch recognition, and cheating aids or lacking concern for the actual placement of the pitches played really slows the growth process. My humble $0.02. Good Luck to all ! Make Music Forever !🥳👨🏻
For classical violin training, frets are indeed totally useless.
This channel is WAY too good and voice too sweet to go without a good microphone.
This time I played famous bass lines on a fretted OCTAVE violin: th-cam.com/video/5HcYY1LxeI4/w-d-xo.html
I use this fretter for a while and can say my playing improved, but... on other string instruments. Since the string is not constrained by the fingerboard any more, it can slide either perpendicular to the fretboard (like on an electric guitar) or along it (like regular vibrato, but with some differences). Making violin sounding good... even with the frets is challenging since any tiny difference between notes in phrase are heard by the listener and the performer, so people should appreciate those who took their time and had their patience to study such a challenging musical instrument.
"Fiddle Fretter" ... sounds like an unwanted uncle or something ...
It's Gaelic for 'creepy brother'.
Sounds more like something to eat at McDonald's...
@@bgswblusteringgales8740 Sama sama as they say in Indonesia.
Sounds like something off The Who's Tommy album...
@@progmeup xD Yeah I kinda had the same thought myself
I saw the thumbnail and cried as a violinist
but then I was interested
Once you have frets, you need to bend the strings to get a vibrato :) That may just be the guitarist in me talking.
I was thinking she needed to put a floyd rose on it.
@@brocktechnology 😂😂😂
No you don’t ???
@@brocktechnology Damn Fine Idea. WHY HASN'T THIS BEEN DONE?
no, you dont... there are different vibrato techniques. you probably talk about the typical extreme blues/rock vibrato but of course theres also the circular and the horizontal vibrato too as well as others
There are weird Renaissance bowed instruments that have about 5 frets at the low end of the fingerboard. But they aren't designed to play melody. I think they are in the "Lira" family. I have a white dot placed at what would be the 12th fret on my violin. It helps for higher positions. Similar to the inlays on a mandolin.
That sounds interesting!
Viola da gamba, the most known fretted bowed instrument is quite able to play melody. What you're talking about is lira da braccio and it's relatives, which are indeed were meant for accompaniment.
It had 7 strings too
How did I end up here? I don't play any kind of musical instruments at all, but I still watched the entire video.
Haha nice! Here's a well deserved lollypop: 🍭
This time I played famous bass lines on a fretted OCTAVE violin: th-cam.com/video/5HcYY1LxeI4/w-d-xo.html
I love how when she complained about the frets being bumpy and in the way, my first thought was "..wait, are they? Are they that noticeable?" After playing guitar for almost 20 years, I don't even notice the feel of the frets anymore lol
Haha, I can imagine! For a fretless player, having frets feels a bit restricted. 😉
After playing a fretless bass, going back to a fretted bass feels like the frets are in the way.
This time I played famous bass lines on a fretted OCTAVE violin: th-cam.com/video/5HcYY1LxeI4/w-d-xo.html
I don't know how I ended up here, but I loved this random find of a video!
😁
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Going from fretted instruments to fretless is also an interesting experience, totally changes the feel. This was interesting wasn't sure what to expect with a violin.
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I had actual wire frets put on my violin & along with intonation setup by a luthier and never looked back. Perfect intonation every time. No thinking. Just play . IT'S GREAT! Yes, I can do vibrato, slides and slurs just fine. Had 5 violin players turn around and none could tell the difference between the fretted violin and the unfretted violin.
Where did you find those wire frets and do you feel them under your fingers? 😉
That sounds nice! I wonder how thick or high the frets are, they must have ideal proportions then. 🙂👌
@@CatWezel66 I asked for the smallest gauge fret wire they make height wise. I think it's Saga FW -10 fret wire. The width and height are so small you really don't feel it.. All you need to to do is change your technique a little. Just let up the finger pressure just a tad when you slide or slur and you don't feel it at all. Here is a link to a fret wire chart www.lutherie.net/fret.chart.html
@@MarijkeViolin I think they are Saga FW- 10 fret wire. Here's a fret wire chart. www.lutherie.net/fret.chart.html
Given the fact that you can clearly hear the subdivisions between the frets when she's gliss-ing in the video, and the fact that she is still out of tune with frets because the frets are not actually perfectly placed on the finger board, I'm going to assume the people you tested with were not advanced in their violin careers. As such, I think it's better to play without frets from the beginning and develop one's ears and fingers.
The Paul Davids of violin!! this was extremely interesting to watch as a guitar player
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Marijke Violin has become my TH-cam violin favorite girl since Violin Noobie abandoned her fans. You Rock Marijke!!! Keep scratching those strings.
Interesting! Cool to know on how these things affect the playability 🙂
Definitely!
I would worry about when you take the thing off, your intonation will be all messed up because you’ve learned to place your fingers in different places?
Good point! You can place your finger directly on the fret but right behind it feels more logical. So indeed, it can mess things up.
If I try them I think I’ll just always put my finger on top in view of not messing myself up. So helpful Marijke that you showed us how it works both on top and behind. Thank you!
@@laudemgloriae3 in that case, I would just recommend putting stickers on your finger board. That way it is less bulky and you can place your fingers in the general area of the correct intonation.
@@vetzrah4437 yeah I may just stay with them and continue working on intonation that way but, it would be nice to try these, especially to play with others sometimes and not mess everyone up with out of tune playing 🙈
Not that I use frets on my violin, but all the demo videos I have seen on violin frets (like from The Electric Violin Shop, Matt Bell), is that they are not meant to be used like on guitars where you put your finger behind the fret, but rather on top of the fret, for violins it is intended the it gives you a tactile feedback of where your finger is. Thanks for the video, interesting how with the first fret board in your demo, you could not play slightly flat if you wanted to, I can imagine this would make it difficult with that fret board to play major third double stops in the sweet spot (i.e. where it is not desirable to use equal temperament).
Literally just passing through, I saw your "thumbnail" (don't know what else to call the little square "ads" on the right of my screen) and clicked. I don't play the violin, nor do I _listen_ to violin-centric music (classical, country, etc.). I am an electric bass player who likes funk, but I was thoroughly engrossed by your adventure with frets. You present a very personable and professionally done video, I was really impressed! I don't know what you do for a living (professional music, I gather), but your presentation skills, and production skills, are as good as any I've EVER encountered in my career in medical sales & marketing. Wow, if you're ever looking for a new line of work - LOOK THERE! Good luck to you and your channel, who knows maybe I'll stop in again some time and see how you're doing. All the Best (from Canada) - JD
Thank you so much for saying, that made me really happy! I work as a kindergarten teacher, that requires quite some presentation skills as well. 😏
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Why do funky-looking electric violins still have the small shell at the end of the tuning pegs? Why not a Harry-Potter-style lightning bolt? or Santa Claus wearing a cowboy hat?
Why not a guitar-like "machine head"?
You mean like Michael Shulman's Black Dragon violin.
electric violins should be headless like a lot of modern electric guitars, it's an objectively superior design
@@truthseeker7794 That looks interesting. Have you seen/heard The HU .. .Mongolian post-punk folk bank
@@TomLeg No my friend but will have a look. Have known Michael for a long time and his shred violin is worth listening to. Thank you will look now.
I wonder if you could't solve the "Second Position Problem" by cutting the Fiddle Fretter where it loses intonation going into the second position ? That way, one wouldn't have to worry in the first pos. (especially if playing "backup" "double stops" "shuffles" "chords" etc. in a band or stage environment - where it's hard to hear the lower notes in the mix.
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I play mandolin, and I’ve long wondered if there were fretted violins that would let me transfer more easily to fiddle. Very useful. Thank you. Though I think I will stick with a pick instead of a bow.
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I'd think that the subtle expression provided by the fingertips is such an important part of Violin and the other frettless instruments that the frets are a novelty product at best?
You may want to look into just intonation vs. equal temperament. I was shocked when I learned about how a g is not always the same, depending on melodic and harmonic function.
I know, that's really interesting!
At my college one teacher told me that is better stick to the keyboard tunning because it always work.
@@nocturnallsnake4228 There are some advantages to the just intonation that you don't get from equal temperament. For just intonation, you are using whole number ratios with the frequencies. These ratios allow your pitches to heighten and strengthen each other since the wave lengths will match up in certain places. This is something that doesn't happen in equal temperament since you are making every half step the same ration apart. There are advantages to equal temperament and there are advantages to just intonation. I would definitely say that if you are playing with instruments that can't adjust intonation (piano, organ, guitar, etc.) that you would be better to adjust your pitches to equal temperament. If you can do it without problems, just intonation can sound so beautiful! It's the sound you get from a barbershop quartet: tight harmonies perfectly strengthening each other and supporting each other.
@@rohwermusicstudios I think youd only be able to apply just intonation if your ear has developed to a certain point lol
@@SaccharineCHNOS I'd agree: it takes some ear training to get better at it. There is a very unique sound, though, when you get pitches locked into place, and I find when teaching students that most of them can pick up the what it sounds like.
I wasn't exactly expecting much to be honest but I actually found this to be quite fascinating. I really had no idea fretting a violin was even an option.
I've heard of some people that used paints on their violin's fingerboard. That way, they get the benefit of finger placement but they don't alter the sound of a fretless board.
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Another guitarist view point. You say the system works well in 1st position, near the nut end in guitar speak, but less well higher up. However the sticker does not cover the entire finger board. So would it not be an idea to shorten it to the range that suits you.
Just cut it off after the fret that you think the is where the advantage is lost. You may find that different strings may have a different fret that, that applies to.
So the 1st (bass) string maybe 14 frets, the 2nd - 13. 3rd the octave 12th and the 4th maybe 11 or 10. Just a thought, for me equally.
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So how about cutting some slots in that fingerboard and hammering in some fret wire? :)
:-D
Give it a week and Simon the Magpie will take care of that!!!
@@G60syncro Meh... He'll probably replace it with a bass neck...
I must say, the first fretboard you played, really seemed to be very pronounced, bright, clear, and precise. I absolutely loved the sound of the other one(matte). The sound it produced really grabs the soul almost instantly! It literally tugs at one's heartstrings, for lack of better words. I've always considered three instruments that could speak directly to the human soul. Violin, cello, and the wooden flute. As a former heavy metal drummer, I do realize the effect that drums have upon not only humans, but animals as well. It does affect the soul in some part, but I feel that it invigorates the nervous and circulatory system moreover. Great job and thank you for demontrating what many of us have wondered for years! Cheers!
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They should make one that is just with the paper and no bumps on it. All you need it for is for reference for the intonation. Tell the company to make a third copy with just the lines. This would help so many of us that do not have perfect pitch
Violinists aren't required and most don't have "perfect pitch". And this thing wouldn't help with intonation, really. B flat in different scales would need different placement to be in Just intonation (the way you really want to play and intonate violin, especially solo). As she have said, it's for fiddle/pop in a band where everything is in equal temperament and anyway slightly out of tune and muddied)
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That actually defeats the purpose of rhe frets to provide a haptic feedback and not an optic one... due to the angle at which you're at your fingerboad, dots or painted frets wouldn't be useful. One of the reasons why NS Design violins don't have dots.
@@avelkm You find piano slightly out of tune and muddled as well? :D
#TwoSetViolin
mildly interested in the question of frets vs no frets, but a smokin' redhead is always arresting. Viva Marijke!
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Sa-cri-le-gious...
I was thinking the same😂😂😂
As a guitar player, I found this very interesting.
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So much talent and beauty
Sounds like the intonation is out
Position 3 was hugely out of tune to the point of painful to listen to.
It is quite probable she didn't set the bridge in the right spot and that's why intonation suffers as she ascends the neck. An accurate and compensated scale length is more critical with using frets vs no frets. Every guitarist is aware of this.
LingLing: Sacreligious
Twoset:InTeReStInG
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Staying in tune was my biggest issue learning violin in school, 8 year old me would’ve adored the fiddle fretter!
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Fretless bass guitars often have inlays, and honestly as long as it doesn't interfere with the sound, I see no problem with it. I've never gotten the sentiment that an instrument should itself be an obstacle to its playing. Instruments are technology, and if they can be improved to make them more user-friendly without compromising the sound, they should be.
True! Only I'm not yet convinced frets on a violin are really helpful. Guitars and bass guitars have a standard vibrating string length, I guess. Plus they're much bigger than a violin, so it's easier to hit the right spot (or to place a fret on the right spot).
the instrument isnt an obstacle to its playing, when learning violin you train your ears to recognise correct notes. I have played guitar for overthirty years, when Itook up violin it was quite a shock to find I couldnt tell if a note was sharp or flat, playing a fretted instrument is like painting by numbers, doesnt matter were you put your fingers behind the fret you will be in tune. Guitar along with other instruments have the octave split into exact percentages violin isnt like this. when learning violin you can detune it and still play in tune because you rely on your ears rather than your eyes, how would an orchestra player go on if his violin went out of tune while playing, or a soloist for that matter, cant stop to tune it, what they do is keep on playing and find the notes by ear rather than looking at frets.
Me, an impatient bassist having a violin, playing it as a laugh because I can't hit notes: I can have FRETS!?! Yes, please!
Haha, nice! It might be helpful to get started. 😉👌
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Btw that Flat sounding thing within the frets works the same way on guitar. You're supposed to play just behind the fret marker as to not have any string buzz and also to be in tune.
When you try to turn your violin into a pardussue viol:
I will say, as a guitar player, frets can be nice, but I does have the downside of being difficult to stay in tune if the strings are out of whack. I've always wanted to get good at fretless instruments because of the fact that it's easier to adapt, I feel like
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On fretted instruments such as guitars, basses, mandolins, and banjos, you have to play very closely right below the actual fret to have the proper intonation. I'm assuming it would be the same for a violin.
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Frets getting in the way *Laughs in guitar*.
Haha this was really interesting video ! Thx for showing how it worked on a violing
Haha, nice to hear!
I feel this Absolutely. One of the reasons I'm shifting for slide guitar. The frets sure help for rhythm guitar but being able to move freely through the instrument and do all crazy sorts of vibratos and slides is much more desirable
@@batatanna you could also checkout fretless classical/nylon guitar, it's sounds awesome too
@@batatanna check out things like fan-fret guitar and fretboard scalloping. Fan frets are more friendly to intonation and scalloped frets are better for fast Legato runs but require a really light touch. Steve Vai has scalloped his frets past 12.
@@35milesoflead The "intonation" part is a myth. Fanned frets make no difference to intonation, but they are better for string tension in ERGs.
Wait, can you actually still buy these things!?
My brother and I recently got us both a violin and we thought of buying this as to find the notes in an easier way.
Also I *just* sent an email to the guy with whether they're still available; seeing how recent this video is answers that question 😂
Does it take approx. 2 weeks for delivery like the site mentoined?
Yes, they are still available 🙂. Mine arrived in a week or so.
It's got a distinct characteristic thats for sure! The wobble sliding about is great! Nice experiment
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Actually, guitarists know that when you play a normally fretted guitar you are playing many notes OUT of tune.
😏👌
Equal temperament go brr
@Joz Gan Wow, how presumptuous. Every guitarist with the slightest musical training knows that.
Thats why fanfret guitars are superior
@@FrozenFlesh Fanfret guitars don't fix intonation problems.
Mark Woods has real frets on his violins
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Fretted instruments have the saddles cut to account for this, and good electrics have adjustable intonation. You'd also need to determine the exact middle harmonic and choose a string diameter that puts it over the middle fret. It still won't be perfect, but it will be closer.
Don't forget Roman Kim, who's arguably one of the best violinist today, uses frets on his violin.
Can you link a video showing that? I looked at two videos and didn't see any frets, and the Wikipedia article about him doesn't mention the word "fret".
@@michaelladerman2564 Ok I cannot confirm that 'his' personal violin has frets, but in this video th-cam.com/video/dZdKGmpWJ64/w-d-xo.html in which he commented "not his video" has frets on the violin.
@@FrezleFedora They are probably just drawn, physical frets would just always be in “his way” like said and well, there is like no one note without tone variation… At this point that would be a torture, not an help.
there’s a reason luthiers have been building violins for hundreds of years and no one though it was worth putting frets on them. in higher positions they just get in the way and make things harder, in low positions they work but only a raw beginner would see any benefit out of them. frets are useful for heavily polyphonic instruments like the viola da gamba
Brilliant experiment :D It is funny how many people think you can't play the guitar out of tune because it has frets...oh well, not really :)
Frets are one of many parts in guitar intonation. I’m surprised the frets worked as well as they did on a violin, considering the differences between guitar and violin (bridge compensation, nut height and string height). It’s always a compromise at best with fretted instruments.
Exactly!
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Strange you didn't try out double stops and chords. That's one of the areas where the fretted viola da gamba has an advantage over the cello, I presume these frets should make playing double stops etc easier to keep in tune.
Oh wow! You are just now getting the concept of frets. I play guitar and have never played fretless. It is interesting to see what it is like to be on the other half of this divide.
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This time I played famous bass lines on a fretted OCTAVE violin: th-cam.com/video/5HcYY1LxeI4/w-d-xo.html
Hmm I don't think using frets is a good thing on violins as each violin has different interval length...
It means the intonation will be a little distorted.
True!
You mean the problem we guitarists suffer?
@@poke-champ4256 hmm I don't know guitars but I assume you do experience the same issue.
Let's say you play a double stop with F# and D. On one instrument (violin), the F# might be physically higher than that on another violin. You see? That's why fretts are rather an issue for violinists. Yet, it may be a good way to start.
@@TheCreate78 yup, especially when double stops on the g and b string are played (a major third), is rather dissonant, which becomes more apparent with distortion. Thing is that punching sound kind of became a stale in blues and its derivativs
@@TheCreate78 that's called "action" on a guitar, and it doesn't change the sound so much as the difficulty of playing the instrument. Guitars are designed to give you plenty of control over that, though, and even if the bridge is too high you can fix it if you know how.
Maybe cut it in half, only for lower notes?
Good idea! 👌
That's what I was going to say 💕
the frets further up the board are not only too close together to be very practical, but they're also much more likely to be in the wrong spot, because if the sticker was applied slightly crooked that won't affect the frets near the nut very much, but as you get further up the error becomes exponentially more pronounced. additionally, the precise position of the bridge has the same effect. this is why instruments that have built in, non-adjustable frets, also have a built in, non-adjustable bridge.
Exactly!
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... Or you can go to the viola di gamba family ^^!
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The one horror this doesn’t have, FRET BUZZ
Fret buzz happens when your bridge is too low. The violin bridge is way above the fretboard
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That electric violin is really dope. I tried violin as a child and it was disastrous. Now I collect electric guitars and try to play them.
I really like it too. And everyone can learn to play, I think. But collecting is nice as well.
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Twoset needs to see this. Maybe it will help them lol
The intonation, especially at the higher end, must be atrocious. There is no way you could apply a mass-produced sticker to a violin fingerboard with enough precision to get the frets where they need to be.
I thought this too, but the distance between frets is standard for each scale length, and you could mass produce them. They would have to be precisely fitted though, and the intonation would have to be "set" (as the note positions are now fixed) by shifting the bridge back and forth as you would with a guitar. I.e. check the note at the 12th fret/position matches the harmonic there.
As you said, if it's slightly off, the intonation would wander farther the further you went up the fingerboard. That said, no straight fretted instrument is perfectly intonated, and that's before getting into equal temperament etc. Just something guitarists like me have gotten used to!
Shouldn't it be possible to adjust the position of the bridge if intonation is out? (provided you are within a certain margin of the "standard" scale length)
@@BakerGlare You could adjust it so that any given fret is perfectly in tune (ie make sure that the 12th fret is exactly half way between the bridge and the nut), but at that point, the only way that the 24th fret to be exactly 3/4 of the way between the bridge and the nut (and all of the others in the correct position) would be if the sticker was perfectly sized for that bridge position and perfectly placed on the fingerboard.
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The true beauty of the violin is that it is fretless ... as many classical & jazz musicians will attest to the intonation on the thicker lower strings varies from the highest string ...
so to have straight frets on a violin you would need to shape a new bridge that is tilted with the bass side foot farther away from the nut ...
but when it remains fretless your finger does not need to go as high on the thicker strings to achieve correct notes ...
on the A & E string your octaves are a greater distance from the nut ...
I am pretty sure that Mark O'Connor would laugh at frets on a violin ... that said this has been a fun video to watch Thank You Marijke for sharing !
Thanks!
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Sacrilegious
😂😂
Jep.
Sacrilegious, lamentable.. interesting!
Violin is sacrilegious.