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Finding a good keyboard or keyboard that works for you is like finding a good lover. It's a tedious process. But after many tries, you eventually end up with one which you will love, and that's so rewarding with every press you make. After becoming a keyboard supplier for my whole family I want to point out that your lover doesn't have to be the most expensive one or the shiniest one. In general key feedback, keycaps' shape, and layout matters the most.
Software Engineer for 20 years here. I find switching keyboards every few months helps me manage any pain. My theory is it "works out" different areas of your hands. My favorite mouse is the Kensington Orbit Trackball with Scroll Ring. So much better than a regular mouse or a trackpad, especially when dealing with dual ultrawide screens.
does that mean you also have to learn new layout every time? And have you tried the rk61? Some have said it isn't great for coding and I just bought it :/
Same thing! I thought I could live with the auto sleep on for the sake of longer battery life but I gave up after a week or less. The battery life without the auto sleep option has been surprisingly good, though, so I have no complains now.
@Diyotama I'd say 3 days with backlight only on at night. If I remember to turn off the keyboard when I sleep I can get 5 days. That's just an estimate based on a non-reliable memory of mine though :D
@Diyotama I do turn mine off every night before going to bed. I also tend to use very subtle patterns/off for the backlight (mine is non-RGB btw; RGB isn't my taste) and I can get over a week. I would say I use the keyboard ~11hrs/day.
@Diyotama Forgot to mention. To cope with the broken on/off switch, you can just switch on the auto-sleep mode every night or something like that. I don't know if it's worth the effort to you, but totally for me.
60% mech keyboards are the best IMO 🔥 using Anne Pro 2 now with Gateron reds and loving it ❤️ great review Mayuko, it's interesting to see you using all those very different kinds of keyboards!
@@JesusPonce Nr 1: replace caps lock with ' (apostrophe) - useful when creating strings or formatting within slack or GitHub to get the code look. I also make WSAD work as arrow keys when Fn2 is pressed and set the bottom right four keys to work as arrows but only on a single tap. And not coding related but I set a whole bunch of shortcuts when Fn2 is pressed to control audio, brightness etc :)
@@JesusPonce I'm not a programmer, but a friend of mine enjoys coding and likes the RK68 so far. It's a 65% which means it still has the tilde key and arrow keys, so that might be a good pick for you. In general a 65% layout I think is the smallest I'd personally go if coding.
Been waiting for this one! I ended up switching to the MX Keys on my gaming desktop, away from several mechanical keyboards with various switches (red, blue, brown). I realized that I just really preferred the typing experience on my MacBook Pro (the 2020 13" with scissor keys, not the butterfly ones), and the MX Keys seemed like the closest alternative. I just can't seem to type as fast or accurately on a mechanical keyboard - too much travel.
Coming from mechanical keyboards for years already, I finally decided to go chiclet esp after seeing your first desk tour. I cannot stressed how thankful I am after you showcasing the MX Keys (thanks truly, Mayuko~). It's my current fave now and all of my mech keebs are simply on display. I just prefer this keeb to all of my collections. My only wished is that hopefully they released a TKL version of it :)
I've also been using a Keychron K2 for about a year - I love it. Bluetooth is definitely kind of unreliable so I mostly use it wired - it's also really easy to swap out the keycaps for Windows layout.
Been using the K8 and the Bluetooth has been rock solid. I think the updated BT5.0 chipset might have fixed the reliability issues and is super fast to switch between devices (compared to my Anne Pro 2)
I’m using K2 (version 2) with my MacBook Pro (2019) and iPad Pro, and BT connectivity has been solid after turning off the auto-sleep function. The one thing I need to remember now is to turn off my keyboard so it doesn’t drain over night 😉
I just got a Keychron K4, and I really appreciate that the stabilizers are inbuilt into the frame so you don't accidentally damage it when pulling out the larger keycaps like the spacebar! So far it's been pretty fast switching between devices like my Surface and my phone, so it doesn't bother me that much :)
Great vid! I own a Keychron K6, and at least on mine, you can turn off that sleep mode and it makes the experience a ton better. The battery's big enough to neutralize the trade off of continuous power being used.
Hi girl. To solve your problem with leg in Bluetooth it's press same time FN+S+O for 4 seconds and after that your Keychron stay connected synchro with your desktop or notebook full time. You just need to turn off lights when stay far. Press FN+Light button to turn off and same when you back to your desk. No legs, no time out or sim to again.
I was obsessed with mechanical blue switches until i got the logitech mx keys as well. But it makes coding significantly faster and easier while feeling smoother. Hard to explain to my wife why I spent hundreds on keyboards to only go back to a normal logitech product :/
Yep. The mx keys is, hands down, the best keyboard i've EVER used. It's superior over any membrane, mechanical, or other chiclet keyboard in it's price range lol.
For everyone wondering, the small and low profile keys of the Logitech MX Keys are not as comfortable and well suited for typing as other higher traveling mechanical switches, actually to the point where it makes my fingers hurt after more than 20-30 min of programming. MX Keys Require 60g of force to press, while let's say a regular mechanical keyboard only requires about 45g. I wish it was better for typing because it definitely looks great.
The MX Keys also isn't as great a pairing for the MX Master 3 as I would have thought. I got the keys specifically so I could switch using the keyboard switch to switch both devices, but you have to turn over the mouse and switch it every time as well. It doesn't make for an easy experience
I love your channel. With working from home and less social interaction at work, we need more people with your attitude and energy. Keep up your. good work!
I'm with you on the RGB thing, I feel like I grew out of that about a decade ago. I also roll with the Logitech MX Keys and MX Master, but I do miss my old mechanical KB. That said, I used to get lots of complaints in meetings with the clickity clack.
I recently got the GMMK TKL, I have arthritis and my membrane logitech was getting painful to use specially in the mornings, since my problem was typing the key and not hand posture I tried going for a standard mech instead of ergo. I also knew clicky swtiches weren't my thing thanks to my SO keyboard but I still wasn't sure to go with linear or tactile. That's why I chose a hotswappable keyboard, so I can switch the switches if needed. For now I went with red gaterons and I'm pretty happy, morning typing pain is nearly gone since they are really smooth and they are silent enough I wouldn't be affraid to use it in the office or while I'm sharing home office with my SO. I went TKL since I wanted to have my hands nearer that with a numpad in the right and didn't want to depend on layers since on flare ups I can't keep keys pressed for too long. And I chose GMMK because I wanted it to be ISO. I also bought Glorious Keycaps because they have ISO-ES layout available and it's a pain finding it elsewhere. I'm not a RGB lover, so I configured the still backlight at minimum brightness in white for easier legend reading. As Mayuko I slightly dipped my toes in the MK rabbit hole for investigation but tried not going further because I have enough expensive hobbies in my life xD
Man, that split gaming keyboard is just crazy. lol Awesome video! I'm a proud Keychron K4 V2 user but I'm slowly drifting into the pit of the keeb community and mechanical keyboards.
I bought the Logitech MX Keys keyboard after watching this video. I love it. I hate long travel mechanical keyboards. The MX Keys keyboard has fantastic feel. I don't know how else to describe it. And it works with multiple devices without a KVM, which is fantastic for doing server work at my desk - I can switch back and forth between client(s) and a server with a mere key press.
I've had my MX Keys for over a year now and it's superior over any mechanical keyboard in it's price range lol. i use it for both coding, work, and gaming! I own about 8 different keyboards now and it's my fav!
PFU Happy Hacking Keyboard (US layout) since 1997 - and since 2017 I've been using PFU Happy Hacking Keyboard Professional2 Type-S (US layout). It's like the old DEC VT220, not that hard sound like VT100, but it's still my favorite for many years. I have nothing personal against the latest trends of homebrew or split keyboards, but I like what I like :) (I've heard the HHKB design concept from my M.Eng advisor in 1990 first, actually - and it's amazing that he actualized the product which has been used for so many years! :))
I have the same Kinesis Gaming keyboard but with the Cherry MX brown switches. I have been using Kinesis keyboards for over a decade and when they started offering Cherry switches it was awesome. They feel so much better than rubber dome mush. Ulnar deviation that leads to carpal tunnel syndrome and other RSI injuries is a real concern for programmers. I have seen many people go down from these injuries. Having the keyboard tented is huge. I have been programming for around 20 years and from my experience the most important gear has been a quality keyboard and a good fitting quality chair. Don't be afraid to spend money on a real HM chair. Without a quality chair, fancy keyboards are not worth their weight. If you are standing and typing for a profession, it is even worse. You made solid recommendations and thank you for the great videos.
Thanks for honest reviews from the perspective of someone who has one foot in the mechanical keyboard world. I had my concerns as well when I was trying to look for something that would suit my needs and environment. I ended up with the Filco Majestouch Ninja TKL in blues switches and then Leopold FC980C Topre 45g switches. Both are opposite extremes for me. I got both to suit two different environments. I used the Leopold for work where sound is an issue and the Filco for home where I can be as clickety clacky as much as I want. I too didn't want to go into the mechanical keyboard world too much as well cause I would end up selling everything else, lol.
Been eyeing the Keychron K2 for a while now. Glad to hear about your experience on it and I think I'll wait for the Bluetooth connection to be more reliable. 😅 One humble keyboard that I think needs mentioning is the Logitech K380. I love really love how small and simple it is.
I got the Kinesis Gaming keyboard and it's the best keyboard I've ever owned. Sure, it's a medium-sized keyboard, but you can just move them apart to get your desk space if needed. The wire length is also adjustable. All keys are programmable so you can disable the CAPS key, the left macro buttons are easy to use, and it all lives in the keyboard's built-in storage. I always recommend brown keys if you don't know which keys to pick.
If you haven't tried the tent kit for the Kinesis, you should--it feels really nice. I have the same base model with the brown switches and it was also too loud for an office environment--and was even getting picked up on calls at home until I put silicone rings on the key caps. Since then, no issues--but then I haven't been back to the office with it. Regardless, if anyone is considering the Freestyle Edge: Get the tent kit. I tried not using it initially, and it's just so much better with it on. Yes, it's a bit of a mess on the desktop, but the utility and comfort is tough to beat. Use silicone rings if noise is a concern; I like the way they sound and feel, YMMV.
Hey mayuko! I was inspired by your ergonomic video to get a split keyboard but couldn't help but notice there was only one split keyboard listed in this video. After researching, I decided to go with Dygma Raise and I love it! Have you heard of it? It seems like they are a smaller/newer company. The keyboard is feature rich with a fairly minimal learning curve. It is wired and RGB backlit which I know you aren't into. However, the RBG isn't just for aesthetic and actually serves a function which I appreciate as an engineer.
The g915 tkl tactile is my absolute favorite keyboard for programming on a Mac. The price is insane but the RGB lighting matches my VS Code theme and animates, so I am at peace.
7:12 I guess you meant Brown switches? I’ve been using brown stitches for the same reason but it wasn’t quiet enough for my partner lol and I’m using a silent version of the brown. And wow 140wpm! I’ve been practicing lately and getting at 110 when I’m good.
because its mostly not the switch making the loud noise but the cheap springs kick the keys back in position and the lack of housing for looking more trendy dont help on that more too. :)
I have the MX Keys and MX Master and I really like its low profile and multisystem capability. As a programmer and not a gamer, it's good to hear that others like it, too, especially with all the hype about mechanical keyboards. Mechanical keyboards remind me of the original keyboards that came out with the original PC's that I never liked back then. So I have not ever tried the latest mechanical kbs. I might be missing out, but then again, I like the low profile of the MX. Not sure I would like a keyboard that requires more effort from my fingers to use. 😊
@@cindykee3719 Nope. I personally grew up with chiclet keyboards since I owned alot of laptops so I prefer chiclet style keyboards with a small travel distance. I hate how clunky and thick mechanical board keycaps are. And even the "low profile" ones are too thick for my liking. I don't see the appeal to it lol. On top of that, I like that I can swipe my hand across the MX keys since the keys are even. I own several mechanical boards but rarely use them.
"flexing the typing speed" felt so relatable (just that it would be negative flexing in my case) haha Just got my first mechanical keyboard from ducky (sf2) also with brown switches for work but first time I typed in the office I was like, damn these are loud. Still like it so far as a good change. I was surprised that you did not introduce the Sculpt ergonomic. In the first video I saw of you in office (daily life of software engineer) it showed in your desk and I instantly looked it up and got it for at home and I absolutely love this keyboard. Wish I could use it at work.
You mentioned that you prefer the Mac version of the MX Keys because it has way more functionality. What additional features does it have other than the key layout and aesthetics? Thanks!
5:04 lol fell down that rabbit hole a while back. In the process of building a corne v3 keyboard from scratch and just preordered the KAM superuser keycap set. Ordered all the parts and just got the PCB's back from China. It can be fun I highly recommend opening the "pandoras box" lol
You summed up exactly my thoughts regarding mechanical keyboards during your Kechron review. I know if I go further I will just fall into the rabbit hole and spend an amazing amount of money and time 😅 Great video btw. I love the way you talk about this all.
My favourite keyboard _to type on_ is the Logitech MX Keys however... It isn't my _overall_ favourite keyboard for a few reasons. 1. I dislike that it is full size. I would prefer it be a TKL. I want a normal nav-cluster layout but don't want the number pad. 2. I wish it worked wired. The USB-C is used just for charging with no data transfer which sucks as I have no problem with using the keyboard wired, I actually prefer it as no need to charge it! 3. I dislike that it needs the Logitech software to configure it. For a keyboard aimed at programmers (literally said on the website) it should store the configuration on the keyboard itself. 4. You can't configure the backlight to be _always on_ . Again this wouldn't be a problem if it worked wired as it wouldn't impact the battery! 5. I live in Europe but I only ever use a US/ANSI keyboard but I can't buy that in Europe! I had to buy the US International layout which is basically the UK layout (long return key rather than wide) which I dislike. I wish I could order the US layout in Europe but when I contacted Logitech they said "sorry we don't sell that model in Europe) 😢
I think one thing that you missed out on was that Keychron keyboards have the option for hotswaps, (I think it’s about $10 more) so if you don’t like the sound or feel of the included switches, you can buy your own and experiment. Great video Mayuko!
This is so interesting for someone who absolutely hates mechanical keyboards :D I never liked the appeal of it and it's incredibly annoying in the office when there are 10 people around you using them. I have been coding with a regular apple bluetooth keyboard for years and haven't once thought 'oh I think I need a better one'. Just my take :)
I am 12 years software engineer and I can't imagine myself using a non mechanical keyboard anytime soon. The MX Keys is amazing but whenever I use my laptop keyboard, it sounds like it is going to break under my fingers.
Keep in mind that the Keychron warehouse is in Hong Kong. It ships from there, and if you don't like the product, you're responsible for returning it to there. Which means, effectively, there are no returns. Keychron doesn't offer a return label, so you can pony out more money than you spent on the actual keyboard, trying to return it.
Thank you for acknowledging that each person has a different preference! I use the SteelSeries Apex 7 with Red Linear switches. My typing has improved so much due to this keyboard! I have to say, mechanical switches are superior to anything else! My Red Linear switches are so smooth, it's like butta! Best. Keyboard. EVER! Oh, and the RGB is fantastic! But that's me!
Have you heard of Mistel's Barocco line of split keyboards? It's a bunch of mechanical 75% split keyboards like the Kensis, except there's a wireless option and is way less bulky.
I think it's much more easy to switch from flat to ergo than from ergo to flat. After using Sculpt for like a 6 years i can't use regular or laptop keyboards and i can't understand how do people do not brake their hands on the flat one. :) Split keebs foreva'! :D
How are you doing with the Microsoft sculpt keyboard? I heard that there were connectivity problems with sculpt and that it needs to be replaced very quickly. I have two options Microsoft School and Kinesis freestyle2 and I don't know which one to choose, could you help me by giving me your opinion about Microsoft sculpt?
I recently got the keychron k2 and put in red switches and kept a blue for caps lock. It's nice with one click in there. I agree with the bluetooth but I have no problem switching between my computers. Despite the bluetooth I think it's great.
Freestyle edge is sick with the lift kit. But another great split mechanical is the Mistel Barocco - which basically is like if you took that Keychron and split it in half.
I'm at least glad your still around being a positive influence on just, talking about being enthusiastic about being a software engineer :/ ugh, don't want to mention what channels I was on just now to feel negative, but I think some people can guess regarding other popular software engineer youtubers
Mechanical keyboards were too loud in the office no matter what cherry color I bought (obviously pre-covid). I finally landed on Zilent V2 Switches and IMHO they're amazing!! ...Because they are silent AND tactile. Those two are really hard to come by. Silent AND tactile. Great for coding because they're quiet or for gaming or whatever. Awesome.
Love the Keychrons. I'm using the Keychron K6 which is really similar to the K2 but without the F-keys. After going to sleep mode, it wakes up and connects almost instantly. I guess they improved upon it.
Mayuko, you must have used many keyboards since the MX Keys. Question: Since then, have you discovered/used another board that suits your coding workflow better?
I have k2 Version 2 variant and believe me connecting via Bluetooth and switching between Mac PC and mobile is less than a second job for me.. if you are looking for keychrone I would highly recommend buying or getting version 2 variant. I have hot swappable brown key board which also gives me to change key caps in case necessary.. just a thought and update
Awesome review!!! I really want the K2 but since you mentioned the Bluetooth part! I’m like ehhhhh as of right now. But I do like the size of the the K2!
All this staff is really useful and important, but your hair is SOMETHING!!! Could you share or recommend how look after it? Why don't I have this hair))))
If anyone is looking for awesome and somewhat afordable (a lot cheaper than keychron) HyperX Alloy Origins Core with aqua switches is amazing. It has airplane grade alluminum body, and aquas are even more tactile than browns and a lot smoother too. I've been using one for almost a year and I am super satisfied with it.
I have the hyperx aoc with aqua switches too and they are very smooth and nice to type on. A very solid keyboard. I think my only complaint would be that my unit has quite noticeable ping sounds which I don't care for very much :/
I'm not an engineer but use Keyboard a lot on some days. Last year, I really fell in love with Logitech Mx Keys. Actually, I still loved it a lot. But pain on my shoulder and arm warns me that I need to change. Just order Kinesis Freestyle Edge (Brown switches) before watching this video; at least, it confirms that my sense is right to try with this new keyboard.
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Hey, you can disable auto sleep on the keychrom! I had the same problem and it went away after toggling it. : )
Haha, I love it. I was checking the comments for that very question! That's wicked fast, props to you!
Just realized you actually made a typo in the description, it says MX Master 4 for mac in the description
what's your wpm?
Hi mayuko why you look old now
The ultimate programmer keyboard would just have 2 macro keys, CTRL+C, CTRL+V
adding CTRL+A macro key into the keyboard is also a good idea
:)
@@chubob73 Yes. And maybe a dedicated key to link to stackoverflow
or perhaps 3 keys only: 0, 1, and space
Wb CTRL-Z
@@koifish1le996 +showel for mining sand in desert
I can say right now that sticking with pre-built mechanical keyboards is an excellent financial decision
Come to the darkside, we have no money in our wallets but excellent clacks and thocks
Well said
@@kylemckell" must have the shiny click clacks planks"
You can get a decent mechanical keyboard for $20-$30.
No. Build your own. Sell your soul.
Finding a good keyboard or keyboard that works for you is like finding a good lover. It's a tedious process. But after many tries, you eventually end up with one which you will love, and that's so rewarding with every press you make. After becoming a keyboard supplier for my whole family I want to point out that your lover doesn't have to be the most expensive one or the shiniest one. In general key feedback, keycaps' shape, and layout matters the most.
Software Engineer for 20 years here. I find switching keyboards every few months helps me manage any pain. My theory is it "works out" different areas of your hands. My favorite mouse is the Kensington Orbit Trackball with Scroll Ring. So much better than a regular mouse or a trackpad, especially when dealing with dual ultrawide screens.
You don't realize how cringy your first sentence is
@@lodano413 What?
Lift weights and train your forearms too. You shouldn't feel any pain at all
does that mean you also have to learn new layout every time? And have you tried the rk61? Some have said it isn't great for coding and I just bought it :/
@@lodano413 it's context for the advice lol nothing wrong with stating your experience.
Fun fact: You can turn off the auto sleep on the Keychron! Personally I turn it off too since reconnecting is pretty annoying :D
Same thing! I thought I could live with the auto sleep on for the sake of longer battery life but I gave up after a week or less. The battery life without the auto sleep option has been surprisingly good, though, so I have no complains now.
@Diyotama I'd say 3 days with backlight only on at night. If I remember to turn off the keyboard when I sleep I can get 5 days. That's just an estimate based on a non-reliable memory of mine though :D
@Diyotama I do turn mine off every night before going to bed. I also tend to use very subtle patterns/off for the backlight (mine is non-RGB btw; RGB isn't my taste) and I can get over a week. I would say I use the keyboard ~11hrs/day.
@Diyotama Forgot to mention. To cope with the broken on/off switch, you can just switch on the auto-sleep mode every night or something like that. I don't know if it's worth the effort to you, but totally for me.
@@timnguyen1998 Yo, are you the actual tik tok guy?
I appreciate this content from a programmer without a massive ego and having to tell everyone how much money they have earned. 👍
60% mech keyboards are the best IMO 🔥 using Anne Pro 2 now with Gateron reds and loving it ❤️ great review Mayuko, it's interesting to see you using all those very different kinds of keyboards!
I just got this one!! Do have any recommended programing layouts?
@@JesusPonce Nr 1: replace caps lock with ' (apostrophe) - useful when creating strings or formatting within slack or GitHub to get the code look. I also make WSAD work as arrow keys when Fn2 is pressed and set the bottom right four keys to work as arrows but only on a single tap. And not coding related but I set a whole bunch of shortcuts when Fn2 is pressed to control audio, brightness etc :)
@@KaroCodes Thank you so much!! I will change them :)
@@JesusPonce I'm not a programmer, but a friend of mine enjoys coding and likes the RK68 so far. It's a 65% which means it still has the tilde key and arrow keys, so that might be a good pick for you. In general a 65% layout I think is the smallest I'd personally go if coding.
"my coworkers thought I was flexing my typing speed"
- yeah that can be an issue
or the noisy clicking is just annoying, get a silent keyboard and their attitude might change.
Sadly, the keyboard is the last thing holding me back in my coding speed.
You can hold fn+S+O for a few seconds to disable the auto sleep functionality of the Keychron
Been waiting for this one! I ended up switching to the MX Keys on my gaming desktop, away from several mechanical keyboards with various switches (red, blue, brown). I realized that I just really preferred the typing experience on my MacBook Pro (the 2020 13" with scissor keys, not the butterfly ones), and the MX Keys seemed like the closest alternative. I just can't seem to type as fast or accurately on a mechanical keyboard - too much travel.
68% is my fave kb layout. Just as long as I have arrow keys and numbers, I'm good.
programming without numbers is bad
I really hate it when I’m in the office and hear somebody typing on a mechanical keyboard all day everyday let alone zoom calls or meetings
Coming from mechanical keyboards for years already, I finally decided to go chiclet esp after seeing your first desk tour. I cannot stressed how thankful I am after you showcasing the MX Keys (thanks truly, Mayuko~). It's my current fave now and all of my mech keebs are simply on display. I just prefer this keeb to all of my collections. My only wished is that hopefully they released a TKL version of it :)
Logitech just released a TKL version of it. Check it out.
I've also been using a Keychron K2 for about a year - I love it. Bluetooth is definitely kind of unreliable so I mostly use it wired - it's also really easy to swap out the keycaps for Windows layout.
Been using the K8 and the Bluetooth has been rock solid. I think the updated BT5.0 chipset might have fixed the reliability issues and is super fast to switch between devices (compared to my Anne Pro 2)
I’m using K2 (version 2) with my MacBook Pro (2019) and iPad Pro, and BT connectivity has been solid after turning off the auto-sleep function. The one thing I need to remember now is to turn off my keyboard so it doesn’t drain over night 😉
I just got a Keychron K4, and I really appreciate that the stabilizers are inbuilt into the frame so you don't accidentally damage it when pulling out the larger keycaps like the spacebar! So far it's been pretty fast switching between devices like my Surface and my phone, so it doesn't bother me that much :)
"Rainbow Keyboards are just not my vibe"
pc master race has left the chat
Many people that have rgb don't even like rgb. The manufacturers are just force-feeding it and convincing themselves it increases sales.
@@vibonacci yeah but I'm talking about the "PC master race"
@@vibonacci that’s not true almost every laptop and keyboard with RGB is able to be turned of or switched to white for standard Back-Lit
Great vid! I own a Keychron K6, and at least on mine, you can turn off that sleep mode and it makes the experience a ton better. The battery's big enough to neutralize the trade off of continuous power being used.
The reason I can't program well is my brain, not my keyboard.
But it does impact the pleasure of coding
Literally just bought the Logitech MX combo for programming and then saw this video pop up on my recommendations. Happy I made the choice.
Hi girl. To solve your problem with leg in Bluetooth it's press same time FN+S+O for 4 seconds and after that your Keychron stay connected synchro with your desktop or notebook full time. You just need to turn off lights when stay far. Press FN+Light button to turn off and same when you back to your desk. No legs, no time out or sim to again.
I was obsessed with mechanical blue switches until i got the logitech mx keys as well. But it makes coding significantly faster and easier while feeling smoother. Hard to explain to my wife why I spent hundreds on keyboards to only go back to a normal logitech product :/
Yep. The mx keys is, hands down, the best keyboard i've EVER used. It's superior over any membrane, mechanical, or other chiclet keyboard in it's price range lol.
for some reason K860 sound check reminds me of the calming sound of rain against a window; had to repeat that section a few times :)
Just appreciating a good review on keyboards. Actually looking for a new one thank you for the review !
For everyone wondering, the small and low profile keys of the Logitech MX Keys are not as comfortable and well suited for typing as other higher traveling mechanical switches, actually to the point where it makes my fingers hurt after more than 20-30 min of programming. MX Keys Require 60g of force to press, while let's say a regular mechanical keyboard only requires about 45g. I wish it was better for typing because it definitely looks great.
The MX Keys also isn't as great a pairing for the MX Master 3 as I would have thought. I got the keys specifically so I could switch using the keyboard switch to switch both devices, but you have to turn over the mouse and switch it every time as well. It doesn't make for an easy experience
I love your channel. With working from home and less social interaction at work, we need more people with your attitude and energy. Keep up your. good work!
Mayuko and her great videos just make my day
Having a loud mechanical keyboard in the office is a pretty bold move, kudos. Flex that productivity.
That's a lot of information for me to use ctrl C + ctrl V at the end of the day.
Second! Haven't even finished the video yet!
edit: not a fan of RGB keyboards either.
Same. Like I like looking at them as a display but when I am typing, it is actually quite distracting for me haha.
what was wonderful is how naturally the script flowed, never felt engineered (read off putting) very smartly done
I'm with you on the RGB thing, I feel like I grew out of that about a decade ago. I also roll with the Logitech MX Keys and MX Master, but I do miss my old mechanical KB. That said, I used to get lots of complaints in meetings with the clickity clack.
For me, it got me through many late nights of programming and cyber work, so RGB ultimately comes down to personal preference.
I recently got the GMMK TKL, I have arthritis and my membrane logitech was getting painful to use specially in the mornings, since my problem was typing the key and not hand posture I tried going for a standard mech instead of ergo.
I also knew clicky swtiches weren't my thing thanks to my SO keyboard but I still wasn't sure to go with linear or tactile. That's why I chose a hotswappable keyboard, so I can switch the switches if needed. For now I went with red gaterons and I'm pretty happy, morning typing pain is nearly gone since they are really smooth and they are silent enough I wouldn't be affraid to use it in the office or while I'm sharing home office with my SO.
I went TKL since I wanted to have my hands nearer that with a numpad in the right and didn't want to depend on layers since on flare ups I can't keep keys pressed for too long. And I chose GMMK because I wanted it to be ISO. I also bought Glorious Keycaps because they have ISO-ES layout available and it's a pain finding it elsewhere.
I'm not a RGB lover, so I configured the still backlight at minimum brightness in white for easier legend reading.
As Mayuko I slightly dipped my toes in the MK rabbit hole for investigation but tried not going further because I have enough expensive hobbies in my life xD
Did you find the GMMK helped with your typing pain or no?
A mayuko video about keyboards, hard to imagine anything better!
Yes, love the Logitech MX Master, I have the whole set: both keyboard and the mouse.
Man, that split gaming keyboard is just crazy. lol Awesome video! I'm a proud Keychron K4 V2 user but I'm slowly drifting into the pit of the keeb community and mechanical keyboards.
I bought the Logitech MX Keys keyboard after watching this video. I love it. I hate long travel mechanical keyboards. The MX Keys keyboard has fantastic feel. I don't know how else to describe it. And it works with multiple devices without a KVM, which is fantastic for doing server work at my desk - I can switch back and forth between client(s) and a server with a mere key press.
I've had my MX Keys for over a year now and it's superior over any mechanical keyboard in it's price range lol. i use it for both coding, work, and gaming! I own about 8 different keyboards now and it's my fav!
PFU Happy Hacking Keyboard (US layout) since 1997 - and since 2017 I've been using PFU Happy Hacking Keyboard Professional2 Type-S (US layout). It's like the old DEC VT220, not that hard sound like VT100, but it's still my favorite for many years. I have nothing personal against the latest trends of homebrew or split keyboards, but I like what I like :) (I've heard the HHKB design concept from my M.Eng advisor in 1990 first, actually - and it's amazing that he actualized the product which has been used for so many years! :))
I have the same Kinesis Gaming keyboard but with the Cherry MX brown switches. I have been using Kinesis keyboards for over a decade and when they started offering Cherry switches it was awesome. They feel so much better than rubber dome mush. Ulnar deviation that leads to carpal tunnel syndrome and other RSI injuries is a real concern for programmers. I have seen many people go down from these injuries. Having the keyboard tented is huge. I have been programming for around 20 years and from my experience the most important gear has been a quality keyboard and a good fitting quality chair. Don't be afraid to spend money on a real HM chair. Without a quality chair, fancy keyboards are not worth their weight. If you are standing and typing for a profession, it is even worse. You made solid recommendations and thank you for the great videos.
Mad Lass with MX Blues in an open office :'D
Blue switches are amazing. Great sound, ask my colleagues.
Thanks for honest reviews from the perspective of someone who has one foot in the mechanical keyboard world. I had my concerns as well when I was trying to look for something that would suit my needs and environment. I ended up with the Filco Majestouch Ninja TKL in blues switches and then Leopold FC980C Topre 45g switches. Both are opposite extremes for me. I got both to suit two different environments. I used the Leopold for work where sound is an issue and the Filco for home where I can be as clickety clacky as much as I want.
I too didn't want to go into the mechanical keyboard world too much as well cause I would end up selling everything else, lol.
Thank you for making this video. I'm setting up my home office and this was tremendously helpful.
I use a 40% keyboard. I'm screwed for my CS classes
Been eyeing the Keychron K2 for a while now. Glad to hear about your experience on it and I think I'll wait for the Bluetooth connection to be more reliable. 😅
One humble keyboard that I think needs mentioning is the Logitech K380. I love really love how small and simple it is.
you can turn off the sleep mode. It works really well for me. :) K2
I got the Kinesis Gaming keyboard and it's the best keyboard I've ever owned.
Sure, it's a medium-sized keyboard, but you can just move them apart to get your desk space if needed. The wire length is also adjustable. All keys are programmable so you can disable the CAPS key, the left macro buttons are easy to use, and it all lives in the keyboard's built-in storage. I always recommend brown keys if you don't know which keys to pick.
If you haven't tried the tent kit for the Kinesis, you should--it feels really nice.
I have the same base model with the brown switches and it was also too loud for an office environment--and was even getting picked up on calls at home until I put silicone rings on the key caps. Since then, no issues--but then I haven't been back to the office with it.
Regardless, if anyone is considering the Freestyle Edge: Get the tent kit. I tried not using it initially, and it's just so much better with it on. Yes, it's a bit of a mess on the desktop, but the utility and comfort is tough to beat. Use silicone rings if noise is a concern; I like the way they sound and feel, YMMV.
Hey mayuko! I was inspired by your ergonomic video to get a split keyboard but couldn't help but notice there was only one split keyboard listed in this video. After researching, I decided to go with Dygma Raise and I love it! Have you heard of it? It seems like they are a smaller/newer company. The keyboard is feature rich with a fairly minimal learning curve. It is wired and RGB backlit which I know you aren't into. However, the RBG isn't just for aesthetic and actually serves a function which I appreciate as an engineer.
Take a shot everytime Mayuko says "its not really my vibe" 🍶
The g915 tkl tactile is my absolute favorite keyboard for programming on a Mac. The price is insane but the RGB lighting matches my VS Code theme and animates, so I am at peace.
7:12 I guess you meant Brown switches?
I’ve been using brown stitches for the same reason but it wasn’t quiet enough for my partner lol and I’m using a silent version of the brown. And wow 140wpm! I’ve been practicing lately and getting at 110 when I’m good.
because its mostly not the switch making the loud noise but the cheap springs kick the keys back in position and the lack of housing for looking more trendy dont help on that more too. :)
I'm glad this popped up, I really need a new keyboard asap!
Das Keyboard 4 with MX blue switches. Decent keyboard with none of the "gamer" aesthetics.
Yes I appreciate your keyboard and want to replay this portion again and again
I have the MX Keys and MX Master and I really like its low profile and multisystem capability. As a programmer and not a gamer, it's good to hear that others like it, too, especially with all the hype about mechanical keyboards. Mechanical keyboards remind me of the original keyboards that came out with the original PC's that I never liked back then. So I have not ever tried the latest mechanical kbs. I might be missing out, but then again, I like the low profile of the MX. Not sure I would like a keyboard that requires more effort from my fingers to use. 😊
I'm a gamer and have been using the mx keys for 1+ year gaming lol. It's still going strong.
@@thelonercoder5816 Nice! I thought all gamers prefer mechanical keyboards.
@@cindykee3719 Nope. I personally grew up with chiclet keyboards since I owned alot of laptops so I prefer chiclet style keyboards with a small travel distance. I hate how clunky and thick mechanical board keycaps are. And even the "low profile" ones are too thick for my liking. I don't see the appeal to it lol. On top of that, I like that I can swipe my hand across the MX keys since the keys are even. I own several mechanical boards but rarely use them.
I am using 40-years old IBM Model M. It is the best keyboard I ever had.
"flexing the typing speed" felt so relatable (just that it would be negative flexing in my case) haha Just got my first mechanical keyboard from ducky (sf2) also with brown switches for work but first time I typed in the office I was like, damn these are loud. Still like it so far as a good change. I was surprised that you did not introduce the Sculpt ergonomic. In the first video I saw of you in office (daily life of software engineer) it showed in your desk and I instantly looked it up and got it for at home and I absolutely love this keyboard. Wish I could use it at work.
You mentioned that you prefer the Mac version of the MX Keys because it has way more functionality. What additional features does it have other than the key layout and aesthetics? Thanks!
5:04 lol fell down that rabbit hole a while back. In the process of building a corne v3 keyboard from scratch and just preordered the KAM superuser keycap set. Ordered all the parts and just got the PCB's back from China. It can be fun I highly recommend opening the "pandoras box" lol
You summed up exactly my thoughts regarding mechanical keyboards during your Kechron review. I know if I go further I will just fall into the rabbit hole and spend an amazing amount of money and time 😅 Great video btw. I love the way you talk about this all.
Great video! I think Corsair K100 RGB is also a great choice! Is excellent for gaming and programming!
My favourite keyboard _to type on_ is the Logitech MX Keys however... It isn't my _overall_ favourite keyboard for a few reasons.
1. I dislike that it is full size. I would prefer it be a TKL. I want a normal nav-cluster layout but don't want the number pad.
2. I wish it worked wired. The USB-C is used just for charging with no data transfer which sucks as I have no problem with using the keyboard wired, I actually prefer it as no need to charge it!
3. I dislike that it needs the Logitech software to configure it. For a keyboard aimed at programmers (literally said on the website) it should store the configuration on the keyboard itself.
4. You can't configure the backlight to be _always on_ . Again this wouldn't be a problem if it worked wired as it wouldn't impact the battery!
5. I live in Europe but I only ever use a US/ANSI keyboard but I can't buy that in Europe! I had to buy the US International layout which is basically the UK layout (long return key rather than wide) which I dislike. I wish I could order the US layout in Europe but when I contacted Logitech they said "sorry we don't sell that model in Europe) 😢
Yesss also got the Keychron K2 keyboard, love it!!
mayuko ur hair looks so good
I think one thing that you missed out on was that Keychron keyboards have the option for hotswaps, (I think it’s about $10 more) so if you don’t like the sound or feel of the included switches, you can buy your own and experiment. Great video Mayuko!
i totally agree with you about the rainbow keys
This is so interesting for someone who absolutely hates mechanical keyboards :D I never liked the appeal of it and it's incredibly annoying in the office when there are 10 people around you using them. I have been coding with a regular apple bluetooth keyboard for years and haven't once thought 'oh I think I need a better one'. Just my take :)
Can I say one thing unrelated to the video? Your hair is amazing!! It looks sooooo good.
that keychron's colors are on point. thanks for sharing! 👏
Omg! Just yesterday I was looking around for good mechanical keyboards! Thanks for this!
Very cool video. Have been looking at finding alternative for my current logitech.
I am 12 years software engineer and I can't imagine myself using a non mechanical keyboard anytime soon. The MX Keys is amazing but whenever I use my laptop keyboard, it sounds like it is going to break under my fingers.
I was only 20 seconds into this video before I subbed, you have a great personality!
Keep in mind that the Keychron warehouse is in Hong Kong. It ships from there, and if you don't like the product, you're responsible for returning it to there. Which means, effectively, there are no returns. Keychron doesn't offer a return label, so you can pony out more money than you spent on the actual keyboard, trying to return it.
Thank you for acknowledging that each person has a different preference!
I use the SteelSeries Apex 7 with Red Linear switches. My typing has improved so much due to this keyboard! I have to say, mechanical switches are superior to anything else! My Red Linear switches are so smooth, it's like butta! Best. Keyboard. EVER! Oh, and the RGB is fantastic! But that's me!
Have you heard of Mistel's Barocco line of split keyboards? It's a bunch of mechanical 75% split keyboards like the Kensis, except there's a wireless option and is way less bulky.
I think it's much more easy to switch from flat to ergo than from ergo to flat. After using Sculpt for like a 6 years i can't use regular or laptop keyboards and i can't understand how do people do not brake their hands on the flat one. :) Split keebs foreva'! :D
How are you doing with the Microsoft sculpt keyboard? I heard that there were connectivity problems with sculpt and that it needs to be replaced very quickly. I have two options Microsoft School and Kinesis freestyle2 and I don't know which one to choose, could you help me by giving me your opinion about Microsoft sculpt?
I recently got the keychron k2 and put in red switches and kept a blue for caps lock. It's nice with one click in there. I agree with the bluetooth but I have no problem switching between my computers. Despite the bluetooth I think it's great.
Thanks for the expertise Mayuko!😊 Any chance you'll do the same with mouses and the Magic Trackpad? Much love💙
Aaaah, the soothing blizzard of MX Blue switches.
Just the kind of video I needed, thank you so much!
Freestyle edge is sick with the lift kit. But another great split mechanical is the Mistel Barocco - which basically is like if you took that Keychron and split it in half.
I'm at least glad your still around being a positive influence on just, talking about being enthusiastic about being a software engineer :/ ugh, don't want to mention what channels I was on just now to feel negative, but I think some people can guess regarding other popular software engineer youtubers
The new standard for full size keyboards should be south paw.
That prevents or reduces mouse rsi.
Mayuko with the timely video for Valentines day
Mechanical keyboards were too loud in the office no matter what cherry color I bought (obviously pre-covid).
I finally landed on Zilent V2 Switches and IMHO they're amazing!! ...Because they are silent AND tactile. Those two are really hard to come by. Silent AND tactile.
Great for coding because they're quiet or for gaming or whatever. Awesome.
Love the Keychrons. I'm using the Keychron K6 which is really similar to the K2 but without the F-keys. After going to sleep mode, it wakes up and connects almost instantly. I guess they improved upon it.
Kinesis Advantage is the only answer if you care about ergonomics which you should if you are typing for a living.
I'm using an outemu blue keyboard, so everyone knows when I'm typing, even my neighbors xD
Mayuko, you must have used many keyboards since the MX Keys. Question: Since then, have you discovered/used another board that suits your coding workflow better?
I have k2 Version 2 variant and believe me connecting via Bluetooth and switching between Mac PC and mobile is less than a second job for me.. if you are looking for keychrone I would highly recommend buying or getting version 2 variant. I have hot swappable brown key board which also gives me to change key caps in case necessary.. just a thought and update
I quite like the mx keys mini, would be almost perfect if it supported wired connection.
"Look at that subtle off white coloring....the tasteful thickness of it.... Oh my god! It even has a watermark!"
Awesome review!!!
I really want the K2 but since you mentioned the Bluetooth part! I’m like ehhhhh as of right now. But I do like the size of the the K2!
I started with K2 then the K6, now i'm using the k12!
i loooooove the Logitech MX keys! 💖👍
3:36 mx keys typing sound
7:12 keychron k2 blue switch
Great review!
All this staff is really useful and important, but your hair is SOMETHING!!!
Could you share or recommend how look after it? Why don't I have this hair))))
If anyone is looking for awesome and somewhat afordable (a lot cheaper than keychron) HyperX Alloy Origins Core with aqua switches is amazing. It has airplane grade alluminum body, and aquas are even more tactile than browns and a lot smoother too. I've been using one for almost a year and I am super satisfied with it.
I have the hyperx aoc with aqua switches too and they are very smooth and nice to type on. A very solid keyboard. I think my only complaint would be that my unit has quite noticeable ping sounds which I don't care for very much :/
Do they work well with macos
@@kinjalchatterjee6801 Can't tell bc I am a linux user myself, but I guess it will work just fine.
Ok thx
I'm not an engineer but use Keyboard a lot on some days.
Last year, I really fell in love with Logitech Mx Keys. Actually, I still loved it a lot.
But pain on my shoulder and arm warns me that I need to change.
Just order Kinesis Freestyle Edge (Brown switches) before watching this video; at least, it confirms that my sense is right to try with this new keyboard.