Best Frame Rate For DJI Mavic & Phantom Drone Footage?
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Always clear and concise and a bit of history thrown in. Always a pleasure to watch your content. Plus also HIGHLY recommend your drone course. Totally changed the way I fly now. 👍👍
Wow, that's amazing to hear! So pleased you found value in the Masterclass!
This is the first video I have seen on frame rates that make perfect sense and explain very well so my hat's off to you I now have a good understanding of what frame rates do everybody thinks higher frame rate is better quality that's obviously not the case thank you kindly for this awesome explanation thumbs up
Not just the answers but the “why behind the decisions “. To me that is the difference between knowing something and owning that knowledge. Thanks again guys!
Appreciate it, thank you!
One thing I’d like to throw in is that the speed of how fast your micro SD card writes is very important. If you shoot in 4K 24fps shutter is set to 1/50 you may experience some jitters especially when panning up. Lexar makes a very fast micro SD that writes up to 222mb per second. It may be overkill but for my mavic 2 pro shooting in h265 and mlog I just wasn’t getting the correct look even with my sandisk extreme plus.
This is great info, I know this comment was months ago but I have some questions. I have a Sandisk Extreme Plus and shooting 4k24fps I get lots of jitters like you mention, what micro SD card do you recommend for the Mavic Air 2?
This has literally nothing to do with 24p judder. The bitrate is the same for 24p and 60p. The card doesn't know what framerate it's writing.
Thank you! Additional minor points are that 60fps is useful for in-close flying with faster pans or with sports action. I find that makes the movement easier to follow with less gaps in the action. Also, when observing the 180 rule, lower frame rates mandate slower shutter speeds, so in the U.S., for instance, 24fps means 1/60 second which also means more light on the sensor with no option to stop down on many fixed aperture small drone lenses Wich are f/2.2~2.8. ... just another consideration when shooting at lower rates...
Thanks for mentioning that! I actually was looking for that exact explanation on Drone videos and answer to this particular question!!Seem like every one missing that POINT HA HA
you've convinced me to try 24, I've used 60 a lot and liked it, but now I want to try 24....thanks, love your channel!
Love it but in practice dji have locked their quickshots at 30fps. As a result I shoot my regular shots at 30fps so as not to have the headache of mixing frame rates. Unless there is a better solution?
I'm a big fan of some of the quickshots too, especially if I'm filming myself out and about. If I switch my exposure to manual then I am able to change the framerate to 25fps. Took me ages to realise that the app was doing the quickshots at 30fps. It results in a dropped frames look when you put it in a 25fps timeline.
@@DroneFilmGuide Now I know, thanks!
You set the standard of what all TH-cam tutorials/information should be. The depth of information you give is outstanding! As in anything taught, the “why” explanation needs to be fulfilled before someone will accept and retain the knowledge, you do this perfectly. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
An absolute pleasure John! Thank you for such kind words!
Thank you for this. There are a ton of TH-cam videos dispelling the incorrect FPS information. Please keep up the great work!! 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👏🏻👏🏻👍🏼👍🏼
I checked several sources on "best frame rate" but as usual, yours was explained clearly and logically with a little history thrown in. I should know by now to check with you first. I'm taking the Master Class for sure!
Great explanation and I am so glad you mentioned the Hobbit. I always wondered why the film seemed odd but I couldn't pin point the reason. Thanks!
I get what your saying however when I film moving ships on water why does 60fps look better then 30fps? Why does Iphone declare that 60fps will provide SMOOTHER video?
I’ve ran into dropped frames when shooting at 24 FPS with the mavic air 2. I’ve been bumping up frame rate to combat it. Would love to hear your opinion on this
That’s what I noticed so I’m using 30fps. Also the quickshots shoots at 30fps. What frame rate sequence are you using?
I know on my zcam you get dropped frames if the recording media can’t keep up. Is the card you’re using ok?
Thank God I found you! Coming from outdoor photography to owning my first DJII mavic air, I needed this clarification after other you-tubers pushed more FPS or added to the confusion. Some of the youtubers are well known but fail miserably on FPS explanation.
I searched to no avail and lucked up to find you! You explained this exactly how I knew it should work!!! Thank you! Follower for life!
Hello and welcome to the channel!
Been away a couple of years from filmmaking and drone flying and needed a bit of a reminder on the fps question. Thanks a lot for being so clear and concise on these things. 👍👍
Thanks for the video. I apologize if someone else has already mentioned this, but 60fps or more is often preferred for fast action and/or if the camera is moving fast such as a first person view (FPV) quadcopter. Because of the flight controller tune and/the construction of the quad, there sometimes will be more jello in lower frame rate video. I enjoy slow, cinematic, quad flight sometimes, but often I want to fly fast. The combination of the quad vibration and a slow frame rate can increase the jello and the video will have significantly less jello at a higher frame rate. As you said, it depends on the situation.
Hello Stewart, nice videos on your channel, it's a great source of information, so thank you for that. After watching this one, I have a question. Do you think it's a good idea to always film at 60fps and downgrade it to 24fps in post productiion. The idea is to be able to slow motion any rush on post production if needed (not possible if always filming at 24fps). It is a big difference between a 24fps rush and a 60fps rush turned into 24fps ? Thanks for your reply ;)
I thought he said recording at a higher framerate reduces quality
Just the great advice I have been looking for to fly my new dji mini 3 pro..... Also, what is the best micro sd card to use in drones as hear sd cards can cause an issue?
I'm so glad that I found these videos. And I can't say thank you enough for putting them out. I just fly for fun but was getting frustrated that I couldn't make better videos. After a few tweaks I learned from you I've been blown away with what my mavic mini can do!
Good to have you with us!
The original frame rate was 16 that's why many times old movies looked strange and jerky. They were being played at 24,. Enjoyed your comment about the Hobbit, I was following that at the time.
Thanks body i suffer with dyslexia and find your videos really easy to follow you should have been a school teacher
Awesome..... and beign in the UK, I don't use that word often! I am finding your videos SO useful and informative. You have clearly and logically explained FPS, even back to its roots. Well Done You!
Simply explained... very helpful!
SO happy I came across your channel! I'm totally a newbie with drone cinematography and just started a TH-cam channel....these suggestions and guidance is so appreciated! Thank you!
Welcome!!
Very well explained Steward thank you so much!
It's safer to just shoot in 30FPS so if you need to use the footage for either television or cinematic use it's better to have 30 FPS and just automatically slow the footage down in post for 24FPS if you or a client needs that amazing cinematic look.
I'm sure you have mentioned this before - but good to emphasise - if you are editing and playing with different cameras in post - make sure you shoot at compatible fps - I shot music on 25 and 24fps - OMG - nightmare!
brilliant video, now i understand, have been shooting max frame rate (Mavic Pro) for no reason, thanks DFG
Very good info 👍 Clearly explained, and easy to understand ... Nice history lesson too 😎
Many thanks mate for sorting opinion from fact clearly and concisely 👍🏻
I’d have agreed fully just last year! BUT, having actually experimented and shown the results to a panel, a group of a dozen people, they almost all preferred the smoothness of 4K footage shot at 30fps and higher. Now…let’s note…this is 4K video…not 1080, and the footage was from a drone flying slowly over a field of waving grass which definitely looked smoother at 30fps+, than it did at 24fps. Also, we have to bear in mind that we have to match the frame rate if we are using a drone and a land based camera or it will end badly trying to combine footage shot in different frame rates. And the refresh rate of the monitor has a bearing on this too! Experiment and learn I say, but we also need a “go to” standard!!
Great stuff. I actually learned something today.
Best drone tutorials on TH-cam hands down. You guys have helped me so much. Thank you!
Awesome! Thank you!!
Thank you. As a Newbie, I changed my Drone settings (from default) based on other videos...but of course, they were Post. this was very clear around quality and frame rate. After my changes from the default, I wondered why the first RAW I had was way better than that of my changes. This clarifies why. Thank you for sharing.
Very informative and interesting, thank you!
Most instructive video I have watched since getting in to drones 2 years ago.tnx
Very good information Sir! I definitely will be shooting at 24 fps for most of my drone footage from now on!
Always look forward to your Ace content, it is timeless as the stuff you bring out can be reapplied over and over again, cheers for updating it again :)
Thank you so much for the tutorials and taking your time to make them. I really look forward to each one you release.
I have a new way to look at flying and filming each time I fly.
Thank you for your continued interest!
Stuart, this is an excellent video with a very useful and practical view of the subject. Adding the history was also a nice touch. One additional thing I would add is that shooting in higher frame rates also wastes storage. This is an additional benefit of shooting 24/15 FPS.
Always professional.!!! Thank you very much.
Is there any reason to not use 24 FPS in the UK? I prefer that as it nicely divides up to play 30 FPS footage at 80% speed or 60 FPS footage at 40% speed, so to me seems more flexible
Thank you for the great explanation dealing with FPS. Cheers from Miami Beach, Florida.
Good video thanks!!! Very well explained.
Great video! I already knew most of that but I just like watching y’alls videos so I had to check it out. Looking forward to the next!
You're right. But, film ran at 15-18 fps until sound forced it up to 24. We're all used to 24fps from watching movies our whole lives. Television always looked too much like real life and was because of the frame rate. NTSC was actually at 45fps, 60 fields/30frames averages to 45.
24fps shot and played at 24fps is real time, but not full resolution time as your eye sees it. That adds a magical quality to the presentation. Think about those times you may have seen a "behind the scenes" clip shot on video, and at the end the finished scene on film is shown. Same lighting and camera angles, but the film just seems so much better.
Hey! Not to split hairs, but the 30 frames are interlaced with an upper and lower field which gives you the 60 fields. It's still 30fps though, not 45.
Yes, I read that in 1996 "Fundamentals of Television" which I no longer have on my shelf, but It can be found in google.books. I had confused frame rate with flicker rate. Film's projected flicker rate is 48 fps, you just see the same frame twice. NTSC was 45, just barely enough. Memory fades!
when i shot on 24 FPS (1/50 SS) i always get lil bit Jitter. How can i avoid this BIG Problem? can you help me? Thanks
Thanks for such a precise and easy to understand explanation of frame rates and their proper usage. There is so much information out there on TH-cam.
For smooth drone footage I recommend shooting 30p and slowing down to 80% speed to 24p.
but then do you go for 1/48 or 1/60 shutter speed?
30 frames is not smooth. You can see the skips. I've watched many videos in 4k from drones and each time.there are very short .04 to .06 of a millisecond pauses in each one. It's like a laggy videogame. It's rarely noticable with 60 frames. And at 120 frames you just don't see any pauses at all.
I was shooting on 60 hz on my camera no wonder the leds of shops were blinking so I should be using 50 hz for europe?
I love 60fps, motion is so much smoother
What about captured frames vs rendering frames relationship
At last a breath of fresh air, no "HEY GUYS,WHATS UP".......Uuuugh! Im using a Typhoon H & very happy, Thanks for interesting content, subscribed..
So when you shoot at 25fps do you always set your shutter to 1/50?
A question about frame rates. 24 for US versus 25 for Europe...but what about the internet?
Great video, factual, to the point and no BS. Thank you, keep up the great work
Hi thx for the great tutorials they helped me a lot
I am 15 and getting an inspire pro now
Greetings from luxemburg
You do realise that Luxembourg has a big no-fly zone around the airport? But more important, it has a complete zero tolerance for filming in public places? Even dashcams are not allowed there :-o
Steven Peeters yes I know ,I will fly in croatia most of the time. And in luxemburg only on private places.
You do a fantastic job explaining things! Thank you
Thanks for this video very helpful
You always give great advice! Thank you for such a great explanation of FPS
Found this really helpful, great channel!
Please help, my video caputres are still choppy despite that I'm recording on internal memory, Im applying the 180 rule using filters, I refreshed the firmware and did the calibrations. My drone was good in the beginning, I just bought it 1 year ago with no crashes. It's driving me crazy to see the poor videos. Please help and share some advice
24/30 FPS is standard because that is what we have been FORCED to adapt to.
But I HATE the choppy choppy, even with proper motion blur.
60 fps is FAR superior in most cases. We are just not used to it. Once you are, you will understand.
If you NEED that fake (ie "cinematic") motion blur, you can still get it with a 1/70 shutter speed at 60 FPS. (choppy 30 fps uses 1/60 shutter so there is little difference.)
The beauty of butter smooth 60 fps is lost in this sad insistence of keeping 24-30 fps standard.
What are your thoughts in shooting with 30fps and then slowing it down to 80% afterwords? It's often adviced to do this to remove the jitter -that you might sometimes get.
Would I be right in thinking that if i shoot in 30fps and edit on a 25fps timeline, it'll just give everything that slightly slower dreamy effect? Or is there a better way? Thanks!
got it, thx a lot
love your statement 'Hollywood is our benchmark'
You make understanding things very easy ! Even for an Oldman :)
Really enjoying, as well as, learning from your work. You’re my go to source on the straight skinny of cinematographic droning.👍🏻
Fantastic!
Another great video. Your tips on FPS is very interesting. Thank you, Stewart. Very very cool shot of bridge in fog. Always learn good information from you. Oh yeah...very nice set too. I hope to fly my Mini today.
Wonderful!!! I’m also just learning and you clarify things so well! Thanks I love your videos
Such an excellent and clear description. Superb, thanks!
Pretty helpfully- I am having issues about choosing the right shutter speed and yes I do know it should be double the frame rate but why and when can you break the rules?
great tips, i found out by accident that a had more success with 24/25 fps than higher rates.
thank you Stewart!
Whats the best FR for speeding up
Hello stewart what is your sugestion frame rate per second to use for comercial advertise such as factory advertise?
Great explanation. Thanks
You present concepts and reasons extremely well. I have much better idea on what FPS to use at a given objective. Good job!
What is Ellis fpv footage shot in?
I've been away.....but glad to see your standards are still as high as always. Great info! Thanks for the professional, concise and fun delivery. Now, I better start viewing your film school I paid for months ago and haven't touched yet :( !!
Hey Graeme! You've got to get stuck into the Masterclass if you've already signed up...I've heard it's good! :)
Awesome information & clarification as always. Thanks!!!
Would love to hear your thoughts on shutter angle/shutter speed, drone speed and movements, and proximity to objects.
Thanks heaps for the videos.
Thanks for putting this frame rate business in the light this is the first time I 've had it explained that is very understanding Thank You
Thank you! I was always making vloging with 60 fps, know i understand why not using it and i will use 30 instead. Thanks again
This was an excellent explanation. Thank you so much.,
Cancel my yesterday question on another video, just found you already answered it 👍🏻
Great Video. Love learning from you!
What is Captain Cornelius?
Thank you for this simple explanation. But may i ask something:
What happens when you shoot in 30 fps and modify it to 25 fps...does it jump?
Yes it does. We've never found a way of conforming 30 fps on a 25 fps timeline. DJI quickshots are in 30 fps so we've tried many times. If you leave it in 30 fps it jumps and if you slow it to 83.333% it jumps. You can try things like optical flow or frame blending in FCPX but it doesn't work. Moral of the story, don't shoot 30fps if you have a 25fps timeline. Cheers!
Brilliant! Just what I needed.
Lower FPS does not mean more information, it simply allows you in increase the exposure to an extent. Modern cameras can easily handle 30 or 60 FPS just fine. Modern cameras for cinema often shoot at a much high fps then is is needed. Red cameras are a great example allowing more flexibility in post.
Can somebody tell me if the mavic air records in 24P Please? I really just need to confirm this.
So useful, thank you
Great video and advice I am looking forward to more educational content in the future 👍
This is really useful information as I am trying to get into drone flying. I have noticed that when flying over a wheat field and camera set at 24fps there is quite a lot of distortion as the wind blows the crop around and difficult to pick out detail. I boosted the fps to 60 which increased the detail of the crop and you could mske out individual plants. I though that this would be a good example to show people.
A Martin i think dji firmware is messed up
i was shooting in 4k at 24 fps and my footage was grainy and noisy as hell
drew I can't remember if I was shooting in 4k or HD but think it was HD, will have to try 4k. Just to confirm that the footage received by the phone is 720 no matter what drone is set at and the file has to be pulled directly from the drone.
I suspect you're referring to the motion blur? If so, this is an important component of the cinematic 'look' achieved with 24fps. However, that motion blur looks best when you are shooting with the correct shutter speed, i.e. 1/50th. To achieve this you need to use ND filters. If this is new to you, we have videos on ND filters you should check out.
Drone Film Guide It was a very sunny bright day
and ndcpl 16 was all i had.
i wqs flying towards facing the sun though..could that be a problem?
4k 24fps
1/50
custom 5500
d log
or could it be my sd card? sandisk extreme.
Hey Drew. Are you flying the Mavic Air? This camera has a lot of noise in the shadows. Shouldn't be the SD card. We thought our SD card was too slow once but the issue was we had accidentally filmed in 30p and dropped into a 25p timeline. Your timeline is definitely 24p?
Good info! Thank you 😊
Thanks for all the clarification. Well done.
Awesome info and the truth on frame rates!
I remember watching the Daly’s when I worked on the movie Dante’s Peak back in the day and they talked about framerates and I couldn’t understand it and wondered how they got that cinema look in the 1/8th scale models. I controlled the vehicles (humvees) across the bridge scene.:) Thank you and my storage thanks you! Lol. Oh, I followed you on Instagram!
That sounds like a fun job you had back in the day!
Drone Film Guide it was such a cool experience! The lead fx supervisor Dean Miller gave me a piece of the bridge as a memory of my suffering! Haha. It was all worth it.:)
Super information, thank you so much... subbed😉👍🏼
Thank you for the information. I had no idea about this except that there are different frame rates.