Ground tracking works on no detector I own. I got to 30 seconds into this video and had to comment. Our ground changes every 10 feet. Very hot ground to mild ground. Tracking will make the detector run very unstable in our hot ground. Auto tracking makes for a very very noisy detector.
Most of us all have phones on us, our cameras are connected to the phone with blue tooth and wifi, the detector also has blue tooth, and sometimes we even carry 4 watt GMSR radios. Never have we experienced any EMI from these things.
@@GoGoDetectorGadget although still fairly new to me, I've owned my Legend for 2 weeks now. I can say with certainty that, for my phone at least, my Legend absolutely picks up interference. I noticed this on the first day of using the machine. A lot of spurious signals and a lot of chatter the machine was pretty much unusable, even on low sensitivity. Having played around with the settings for a good half an hour, I tried putting my phone into airplane mode and the noise stopped pretty much instantly. Ive checked this in open Fields and on open beaches away from houses and radio masts, as soon as I take my phone out of airplane mode, the chatter begins and the detector is hardly usable. Pixel 7, in the UK. Probably different for other phones and locations. Bluetooth on or off has no effect on the noise.
@@Jbonn6141 This video captures a scenario in which ground tracking was causing problems. In this case it sounded similar to EMI. We know it was not EMI as I was able to reproduce both the problem and solution, i.e., by turning ground tracking on/off.
Part of the problem can be you first balanced it over a had area also once you get a hit you should dig the target. People have a habit sweeping over it 10 to 15 times which is telling the detector to add this in the algorithm. Some machines like the DFX trac speed setting control adjusts the timing of when autotrac readjusts the machine. It also has a feature that is called trac inhibit. Once you hit a target and pinpoint the trac inhibit setting (turned on} stops the detector from tracking to the target. I run the auto trac all the time when I bring the DFX to ise it to test new detectors because the DFX is extremely accurate at target ID so when we're learning new machines and we flag targets then I sweep the DFX to read the ID with the DC phase on and that machine is hard to fool. Ive noticed so many new "hi tech" machines are all introducing new features that are actually not new its developed in the late '90's and became one of the almost 50 settings in a DFX. There might be underground 60 cycle power lines causing a lot of the problem also. Cranking up the gain AND recovery speed (IMO) makes things worse. Sometimes you can over tweak a detector. More IS NOT always better. The lowest frequency is better to use in EMI problemed areas. But these are just my opinions everyone sets their machine how it works best for them. Sometimes it never hurts to just lower the power down and the recieving gain or reactivity what ever its called on a particular machine and it settles down without much depth lost. Good luck happy hunting
So when you hit a target you just dig it without trying to discern if it's worth digging? What if the algorithm needs more information to better decipher the target?
The sprinkler system in the ground doesn't help with metal pipes buried deep in the ground. If you flag the sprinkler heads you will see where the pipes are running and avoid them.
That's a really good idea if your doing sprinkler work. In my area it's all plastic piping but still that is brilliant! 👍 Thank you for providing the knowledge...
The legend default ground balance is manual unless you tell it to go auto. 30 is max gain which most can only run out of town.... Yes you are hearing the ground at 30
@iYar56 Auto tracking was fouling up! In this example gain is not the cause. Lowering gain failed to resolve the issue. In this video auto tracking was being engaged and disengaged. Experts say this is the same for all detectors that have auto ground tracking and recommend never using it.
I think your gain is too high, a lot of times I run as low as 22 and still get good depth, I never go to 29 or 30, I usually run recovery at 5or6 and as soon as it starts getting noisy I ground balance, might do it every few minutes,I never use tracking.
I never used to go above 25 gain and used a 5 and 6 recovery speed. What I'm doing now comes from @PaystreakSuperfreak... I also did not trust the high gain and recovery speed.
Yes! Happens when the ground is too hot. I remembered @Paystreak Superfreak talking about this. So it is ok to use auto tracking long as the ground is not too hot. I doubt this is specific to the legend.
@johnbarrale9923 all those things you have suggested in your posts are the correct steps to diagnosing the problem but they failed to resolve the issue. You can see me in the video doing all those things. But I also did something else that eventually resolved the problem.
Ground tracking works on no detector I own. I got to 30 seconds into this video and had to comment. Our ground changes every 10 feet. Very hot ground to mild ground. Tracking will make the detector run very unstable in our hot ground. Auto tracking makes for a very very noisy detector.
All detectors do this same thing in our soil while auto tracking.
I remembered you telling me this; otherwise, I might not have figured it out.
This nois can be from your Cell Phone. I Have this randomly too. Need to wait and that past away. Sorry for my english.
Most of us all have phones on us, our cameras are connected to the phone with blue tooth and wifi, the detector also has blue tooth, and sometimes we even carry 4 watt GMSR radios. Never have we experienced any EMI from these things.
@@GoGoDetectorGadget although still fairly new to me, I've owned my Legend for 2 weeks now. I can say with certainty that, for my phone at least, my Legend absolutely picks up interference. I noticed this on the first day of using the machine. A lot of spurious signals and a lot of chatter the machine was pretty much unusable, even on low sensitivity. Having played around with the settings for a good half an hour, I tried putting my phone into airplane mode and the noise stopped pretty much instantly. Ive checked this in open Fields and on open beaches away from houses and radio masts, as soon as I take my phone out of airplane mode, the chatter begins and the detector is hardly usable. Pixel 7, in the UK. Probably different for other phones and locations. Bluetooth on or off has no effect on the noise.
@@GoGoDetectorGadgetI forgot to add that switching channels also didn't help one bit. Either auto noise cancellation or manually.
@@Jbonn6141 This video captures a scenario in which ground tracking was causing problems. In this case it sounded similar to EMI. We know it was not EMI as I was able to reproduce both the problem and solution, i.e., by turning ground tracking on/off.
@@Jbonn6141my understanding is that cell phone EMI usually happens when in roaming mode.
The auto tracking is fouling up only detector i've ever seen where it works right is Whites top end models.
Yep that's exactly what the problem was! I am learning 😊
What are the adjustments you made good fishing
Was doing a lot of stuff to figure out what the problem was. Issue was ground tracking.
Can you tell in your videos when you make an adjustment to the detector or the purpose
I need to do that more. A lot of it just depends on how I feel and who I am detecting with.
In your video you said there must be something stuck on the bottom of the coil
Was the ground tracking that was causing the problem.
Part of the problem can be you first balanced it over a had area also once you get a hit you should dig the target. People have a habit sweeping over it 10 to 15 times which is telling the detector to add this in the algorithm. Some machines like the DFX trac speed setting control adjusts the timing of when autotrac readjusts the machine. It also has a feature that is called trac inhibit. Once you hit a target and pinpoint the trac inhibit setting (turned on} stops the detector from tracking to the target. I run the auto trac all the time when I bring the DFX to ise it to test new detectors because the DFX is extremely accurate at target ID so when we're learning new machines and we flag targets then I sweep the DFX to read the ID with the DC phase on and that machine is hard to fool. Ive noticed so many new "hi tech" machines are all introducing new features that are actually not new its developed in the late '90's and became one of the almost 50 settings in a DFX. There might be underground 60 cycle power lines causing a lot of the problem also. Cranking up the gain AND recovery speed (IMO) makes things worse. Sometimes you can over tweak a detector. More IS NOT always better. The lowest frequency is better to use in EMI problemed areas. But these are just my opinions everyone sets their machine how it works best for them. Sometimes it never hurts to just lower the power down and the recieving gain or reactivity what ever its called on a particular machine and it settles down without much depth lost.
Good luck happy hunting
So when you hit a target you just dig it without trying to discern if it's worth digging? What if the algorithm needs more information to better decipher the target?
Was a lot of information in this post and I am able to process it much better now.
'Auto Tracking' are we talking about Ground balance in auto mode? Very new to detecting, Thanks :)
Yes that is correct!
The sprinkler system in the ground doesn't help with metal pipes buried deep in the ground. If you flag the sprinkler heads you will see where the pipes are running and avoid them.
That's a really good idea if your doing sprinkler work. In my area it's all plastic piping but still that is brilliant! 👍 Thank you for providing the knowledge...
In conclusion: it's not a problem with the detector as all detectors do this in hot ground.... To resolve this issue turn ground tracking off.
The legend default ground balance is manual unless you tell it to go auto. 30 is max gain which most can only run out of town.... Yes you are hearing the ground at 30
@iYar56 Auto tracking was fouling up! In this example gain is not the cause. Lowering gain failed to resolve the issue. In this video auto tracking was being engaged and disengaged. Experts say this is the same for all detectors that have auto ground tracking and recommend never using it.
I think your gain is too high, a lot of times I run as low as 22 and still get good depth, I never go to 29 or 30, I usually run recovery at 5or6 and as soon as it starts getting noisy I ground balance, might do it every few minutes,I never use tracking.
I did drop the gain to 25 with no improvement. With auto tracking off the problem resolved.
I never used to go above 25 gain and used a 5 and 6 recovery speed. What I'm doing now comes from @PaystreakSuperfreak... I also did not trust the high gain and recovery speed.
AND DO A NOISE CANCELING CHECK AND THE SOUND SHOULD STAY OFF
Nope, that was not it!
Appears to be a problem with auto ground tracking.
Yes! Happens when the ground is too hot. I remembered @Paystreak Superfreak talking about this. So it is ok to use auto tracking long as the ground is not too hot. I doubt this is specific to the legend.
@Paystreak Superfreak confirmed all detectors with ground tracking will do this in hot soil; look for his comments.
I really liked your video, keep it up!
Liked and subscribed aswell :D
Thanks for the sub!
OR BETTER YET JUST GET AWAY FROM THAT AREA....LOL
That would not have solved the problem!
@johnbarrale9923 all those things you have suggested in your posts are the correct steps to diagnosing the problem but they failed to resolve the issue. You can see me in the video doing all those things. But I also did something else that eventually resolved the problem.
TURN YOUR GROUND ST OFF AND MANUALLY GROUND BALANCE
ST would not have done anything!
Too sensitive
Ground tracking!
Never ever use ground tracking.
All the experts I have asked this question agree. So then why even add a ground tracking feature?