So I decided to listen to the original song with my cochlear implant alone and it sounds very different than the sound that is produced in this video. I can hear the melody and rhythm much more clearly and it doesn’t have that much static or roboticness to it. When I listen with my right ear with a hearing aid, I can tell my cochlear implant is slightly off from the original, but it’s not that bad. If anything, my cochlear implant just makes it sound more flat like it’s in a minor key maybe. The music is a little brighter and louder when I listen with my hearing aid on my better side. People with single sided deafness are the only ones that are able to make a comparison like this so I thought you might find it interesting. I also wonder if my better ear is able to train my cochlear implant to sound better. Like I know what a song is supposed to sound like, and my brain can improve the quality because I have my better ear. I may be also a difference in brands as well.
Hi, thank you for your comment. I love your videos and watch all of them btw. Making cochlear implant simulations is really hard because I obviously can only really hear it through the implant so reviews are always helpful! The way I hear this song is kind of the beginning tune sounds slightly off and the singer's voice sounds more like speech-like rather than singing (if that makes any sense) and the background music kind of goes a bit staticy in places and there are a few bits that sound pretty robotic. I'm not entirely sure how well I achieved that in the video. I made this simulation using AngelSim, it's just a program you can download onto your computer. It's not the easiest to use but there are a lot of settings to play around with to get the most accurate sound possible. If you'd like to, it would be really interesting if you could make a simulation of what you think a cochlear implant sounds like because you'd know how close you were better than I can. Nelle xx
Something facinating happened. I had forgotten what the song actually sounded like, so I didnt understand anything. I listened to the original and came back to this - and it got better. I guess thats what the "learning to hear"-thing is about...
Hi, thank you for your comment. I actually really enjoy listening to music even though I can only hear it through my implant. Over time, your brain adapts and the music begins to sound pretty normal. I can hear the beat fine and after a few listens I can begin to pick out the words and the tune. I am really grateful for my cochlear implant for allowing me to hear music at all (even if it's not perfect) because without it I would hear absolutely nothing. :)
Hi Nelle all I can say is wow! I had a hearing friend listen & he said it was like a very badly tuned in radio where with just a twist of the knob would come clearer! I tried to listen using Bluetooth straight to my new hearing aids! I could make out the beat of the song & just maybe someone singing! I can't wait for other people to comment especially the deaf people & ones with CI's it's made me go away & think whether a CI would help me! I know every implanted person hears differently! But if this accurate it can't be easy for you Nelle to hear singing & music! Your right nobody I know on you tube has got close to getting what a CI sounds like! You are going to help so many people to decide on whether to get implanted or not! Is it possible to simulate what a persons voice sounds like say reading a book after being implanted! It's not like hearing aids where you can try them first! Once you been implanted there is no going back! Thank you for giving people like myself who's next move maybe be a CI what to expect! I am glad you did all this! But you did say you would like your other ear implanted! So once again thank you for giving an honest balanced view on CI's ❤️❤️❤️
Hi, thank you for your comment. It is very important when considering a cochlear implant to remember that it does not restore normal hearing. Most people with implants can't hear pitches as well as people with full hearing so music sounds quite out of tune to me. I can definitely try to make a cochlear implant simulation of me reading out a book. Cochlear implants are very good for hearing speech in quiet and less good for music so I thing reading out a book would definitely be a good idea to show the maximum benefit of an implant.
@@nellefindlay thank you as you know I have watched every video's you have done & your progress from losing your hearing,getting hearing aids & now one CI Do you think that if you were to get the other ear implanted & I presume it would be set to other frequencies you are missing as if I am not wrong they would not program the other implant with the same frequency? If you can prove to the implant team & the powers that be your making this implant work then surely if other adults in your situation got together to fight to get the other ear implanted it might happen! It's like giving someone one hearing aid when they know you need two! But I know it's down to cost! If you had the money you would be implanted within days or weeks! But like me with my hearing aids I have to be grateful I did not have to pay just like you did not pay to have your CI but you have said since day one you want the other ear implanted as the hearing aid does very little! You reading a book & simulating what that sounds like with a CI will help so many! I don't know what I will hear but at least a hearing friend will tell me what they think! I just wanted these hearing aids to give me back what I had a few months back! And yes I do know that hearing aids or CI will never give me back my hearing! I am profoundly deaf for life now! But I would be grateful for some hearing again even if it sounded different! Your video's have made a difference thank you ❤️
It's a rather curious experience listening to this! I have a CI has my only source of sound for almost 10.months now. This simulation sounds really rough and robotic! Listening to the original song is great with all its instrumentals and singing, though, it gets a little muddled when there's so much going on. All pretty interesting seeing how it is for each CI user. Everything sounds natural and normal for me - no robotic voices. Music was actually decent, if a little rough in the beginning, but it's great now with all the little details I can hear that I hadn't previously!
Hi, I've only had my implant for under 3 months, and everything still sounds a bit robotic to me. Obviously, this simulation will not be completely accurate (because I can only hear it through my implant to try and judge it). My theory is that listening to the simulation through a cochlear implant will cause it to be doubly distorted, so it will sound worse than it would to a hearing person. I just wanted to make a better sounding simulation because some on the internet are (in my opinion) pretty inaccurate and aren't really long enough to give a true sense of the sound. As someone who has heard this song with full hearing before losing it and getting an implant, for me, it is one of the songs that sounds most different. Music is definitely better with my implant than I expected. I can follow along with both the tune and the words with no problem. Even through the simulation (so doubly distorted), I can follow it with no problem and type the subtitles timed correctly. Anyway, apologies for the long reply. I'm glad you're getting on well with your implant. Nelle xx
@@nellefindlay Certainly is an interesting thing to think about and show how different it all sounds, especially earlier on. I could tell people the differences in the quality of sound being perceived against my memory of it in the first few months - Up until it all normalised with things now sounding like they do. For me personally, what was being heard through the CI really filled out at around 6-8 months. Looking forwards to your future videos on your experiences!
@@nellefindlay The doubly distorted thing makes a lot of sense! From what the audiologist said to me with my old hearing aids everyone's speech sounded deaf! And she thinks I was getting feedback through my old earmoulds causing this problem! But as you said Nelle you knew where to put the captions in so that's very impressive! It shows how hard your trying to make this implant a success! So well done ❤️
Wow, Nelle, just wow. I suspect there are numerous audiologists who have little, if any idea, what a CI actually sounds like to their patients. Similar to the noises test with your mum, maybe have a music quiz, with say 10 or 20, 10 second unnamed CI clips, and see how many songs, people of the internet can name.
Hi, thank you for your comment. I'm sure most audiologists have a pretty good idea of what the sound of a cochlear implant is like, however nobody really knows unless they have an implant themselves. No simulation is completely accurate and different cochlear implant users have different experiences. It might be an idea to do a music quiz, but my music taste is a bit niche so it might be difficult to find songs that most people would be able to guess. Also, I'm not sure my video editing skills are good enough for that. Nelle xx
To be honest, I don't really. I've given it a good attempt, but it really is just my best guess. The only people who can really get it 100% are people who are single sided deaf and have a CI in one ear (not me). I hope you enjoy the video anyway. Nelle xx
Hi, the number of channels is the number of electrodes on the internal part of the implant. It just depends on the model of implant the person has. I have 22 electrodes on mine for example. My BSL teacher has 16 because she has an older implant and hers is a different brand. More channels in general is better because each channel corresponds to a frequency of sound so the more channels you have, the more differentiation between different pitches. If you're interested, I have a picture on my instagram (@nellefindlay) where you can see the X-ray of my implant and if you zoom into the electrode array (the spiral bit) you can see the dots of the individual electrodes. I hope this answers your question. Nelle xx
@@nellefindlay well done for learning BSL from a proper teacher! Will you be taking the exams at the end & complete different stages? Would being an interpreter or teacher for the deaf be a career you think of taking up? I know you were talking about going to uni.because of my brain injury when I was 20 have a form of dyslexia which makes it hard for me to spell so I would hate to spell the wrong words! But there was a big march in London (28th Jan) trying to get BSL classed as a proper language which I support 100%.
Hi, thank you for your comment. At the moment, this is about as good as it gets for music. The only thing is for your brain to adjust and percieve the sound as more normal which can happen over time but that's more of a perception thing rather than an actual difference in the sound quality. To be honest, bearing in mind I'm pretty much totally deaf, this is pretty good. I can follow along with the tune and lyrics of songs I know even if they sound a bit weird and out of tune. I think it's more helpful to compare the sound of a cochlear implant to silence rather than normal hearing because normal hearing isn't an option for deaf people. Between silence and a cochlear implant, I personally prefer this (although I have to admit it is a relief to take it off at the end of the day.) I hope this answered your question. Nelle xx
@@nellefindlay It's an excellent reply Nelle, which made me realise I had concentrated on the quality of the sound rather than the fact that it is sound compared to nothing. You are doing a great job in helping us to understand.
@@nellefindlay that answer to that gentleman sums up my feeling of over 30 yrs wearing hearing aids & being severe to profoundly deaf & for the past 3 mths profoundly deaf! I would rather hear something with hearing aids than nothing at all but these latest BTE aids are the latest most powerful the NHS does! And the loudest! When they come off at night there is now total silence! Apart from ringing in my ears! But with most CI's when the person takes them off it is total silence as any residual natural hearing has gone! Nelle you have had 9 mths of being deaf! I was lucky up until 3 mths ago my hearing went gradually! It's a whole new life for you & your learning stuff every day & it can take up to a year for your brain to learn new things with CI's as you been told by the implant team! If I may ask what are you still being taught at classes by the implant team?
This is interesting. I do wear hearing aids, but it sounds more „under water“ without aids. Now I can imagine what it means when implant user talk about „robotic speech“. World like to listen to „abcdefu“ by Gayle. Is there and „generator“ wehre I can try this or did you do it yourself? Greetings, Ingo.
Hi, I'm glad you found this video interesting. I made this simulation using a program called AngelSim. You just download it onto your computer and you can import .wav files and convert them into a cochlear implant simulation. There are quite a few different settings. I just played around with them to get as close as I could (bearing in mind I can only hear the simulation through my implant). I hope this helps. Nelle xx
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So I decided to listen to the original song with my cochlear implant alone and it sounds very different than the sound that is produced in this video. I can hear the melody and rhythm much more clearly and it doesn’t have that much static or roboticness to it. When I listen with my right ear with a hearing aid, I can tell my cochlear implant is slightly off from the original, but it’s not that bad. If anything, my cochlear implant just makes it sound more flat like it’s in a minor key maybe. The music is a little brighter and louder when I listen with my hearing aid on my better side. People with single sided deafness are the only ones that are able to make a comparison like this so I thought you might find it interesting. I also wonder if my better ear is able to train my cochlear implant to sound better. Like I know what a song is supposed to sound like, and my brain can improve the quality because I have my better ear. I may be also a difference in brands as well.
Hi, thank you for your comment. I love your videos and watch all of them btw. Making cochlear implant simulations is really hard because I obviously can only really hear it through the implant so reviews are always helpful!
The way I hear this song is kind of the beginning tune sounds slightly off and the singer's voice sounds more like speech-like rather than singing (if that makes any sense) and the background music kind of goes a bit staticy in places and there are a few bits that sound pretty robotic. I'm not entirely sure how well I achieved that in the video.
I made this simulation using AngelSim, it's just a program you can download onto your computer. It's not the easiest to use but there are a lot of settings to play around with to get the most accurate sound possible. If you'd like to, it would be really interesting if you could make a simulation of what you think a cochlear implant sounds like because you'd know how close you were better than I can.
Nelle xx
Can I ask what brand CI you have?
@@SimplyGraceNicole I have the Medel Rondo 3 cochlear implant.
@@NessasLifescape Thank you. trying to decide which one I want to get
Something facinating happened. I had forgotten what the song actually sounded like, so I didnt understand anything. I listened to the original and came back to this - and it got better. I guess thats what the "learning to hear"-thing is about...
This turns music into a nightmare!
Hi, thank you for your comment. I actually really enjoy listening to music even though I can only hear it through my implant. Over time, your brain adapts and the music begins to sound pretty normal. I can hear the beat fine and after a few listens I can begin to pick out the words and the tune.
I am really grateful for my cochlear implant for allowing me to hear music at all (even if it's not perfect) because without it I would hear absolutely nothing. :)
Hi Nelle all I can say is wow! I had a hearing friend listen & he said it was like a very badly tuned in radio where with just a twist of the knob would come clearer! I tried to listen using Bluetooth straight to my new hearing aids! I could make out the beat of the song & just maybe someone singing! I can't wait for other people to comment especially the deaf people & ones with CI's it's made me go away & think whether a CI would help me! I know every implanted person hears differently!
But if this accurate it can't be easy for you Nelle to hear singing & music! Your right nobody I know on you tube has got close to getting what a CI sounds like! You are going to help so many people to decide on whether to get implanted or not! Is it possible to simulate what a persons voice sounds like say reading a book after being implanted! It's not like hearing aids where you can try them first! Once you been implanted there is no going back! Thank you for giving people like myself who's next move maybe be a CI what to expect! I am glad you did all this! But you did say you would like your other ear implanted! So once again thank you for giving an honest balanced view on CI's ❤️❤️❤️
Hi, thank you for your comment. It is very important when considering a cochlear implant to remember that it does not restore normal hearing. Most people with implants can't hear pitches as well as people with full hearing so music sounds quite out of tune to me. I can definitely try to make a cochlear implant simulation of me reading out a book. Cochlear implants are very good for hearing speech in quiet and less good for music so I thing reading out a book would definitely be a good idea to show the maximum benefit of an implant.
@@nellefindlay thank you as you know I have watched every video's you have done & your progress from losing your hearing,getting hearing aids & now one CI
Do you think that if you were to get the other ear implanted & I presume it would be set to other frequencies you are missing as if I am not wrong they would not program the other implant with the same frequency? If you can prove to the implant team & the powers that be your making this implant work then surely if other adults in your situation got together to fight to get the other ear implanted it might happen! It's like giving someone one hearing aid when they know you need two! But I know it's down to cost! If you had the money you would be implanted within days or weeks! But like me with my hearing aids I have to be grateful I did not have to pay just like you did not pay to have your CI but you have said since day one you want the other ear implanted as the hearing aid does very little!
You reading a book & simulating what that sounds like with a CI will help so many! I don't know what I will hear but at least a hearing friend will tell me what they think! I just wanted these hearing aids to give me back what I had a few months back!
And yes I do know that hearing aids or CI will never give me back my hearing! I am profoundly deaf for life now! But I would be grateful for some hearing again even if it sounded different! Your video's have made a difference thank you ❤️
It's a rather curious experience listening to this!
I have a CI has my only source of sound for almost 10.months now. This simulation sounds really rough and robotic! Listening to the original song is great with all its instrumentals and singing, though, it gets a little muddled when there's so much going on.
All pretty interesting seeing how it is for each CI user. Everything sounds natural and normal for me - no robotic voices. Music was actually decent, if a little rough in the beginning, but it's great now with all the little details I can hear that I hadn't previously!
Hi, I've only had my implant for under 3 months, and everything still sounds a bit robotic to me. Obviously, this simulation will not be completely accurate (because I can only hear it through my implant to try and judge it).
My theory is that listening to the simulation through a cochlear implant will cause it to be doubly distorted, so it will sound worse than it would to a hearing person. I just wanted to make a better sounding simulation because some on the internet are (in my opinion) pretty inaccurate and aren't really long enough to give a true sense of the sound.
As someone who has heard this song with full hearing before losing it and getting an implant, for me, it is one of the songs that sounds most different.
Music is definitely better with my implant than I expected. I can follow along with both the tune and the words with no problem. Even through the simulation (so doubly distorted), I can follow it with no problem and type the subtitles timed correctly.
Anyway, apologies for the long reply. I'm glad you're getting on well with your implant.
Nelle xx
@@nellefindlay Certainly is an interesting thing to think about and show how different it all sounds, especially earlier on.
I could tell people the differences in the quality of sound being perceived against my memory of it in the first few months - Up until it all normalised with things now sounding like they do. For me personally, what was being heard through the CI really filled out at around 6-8 months.
Looking forwards to your future videos on your experiences!
@@nellefindlay The doubly distorted thing makes a lot of sense! From what the audiologist said to me with my old hearing aids everyone's speech sounded deaf! And she thinks I was getting feedback through my old earmoulds causing this problem! But as you said Nelle you knew where to put the captions in so that's very impressive! It shows how hard your trying to make this implant a success! So well done ❤️
Wow, Nelle, just wow. I suspect there are numerous audiologists who have little, if any idea, what a CI actually sounds like to their patients. Similar to the noises test with your mum, maybe have a music quiz, with say 10 or 20, 10 second unnamed CI clips, and see how many songs, people of the internet can name.
Hi, thank you for your comment. I'm sure most audiologists have a pretty good idea of what the sound of a cochlear implant is like, however nobody really knows unless they have an implant themselves. No simulation is completely accurate and different cochlear implant users have different experiences.
It might be an idea to do a music quiz, but my music taste is a bit niche so it might be difficult to find songs that most people would be able to guess. Also, I'm not sure my video editing skills are good enough for that.
Nelle xx
But how do you know, that this is what it sounds like, when you can only hear that audio through the CIs?
To be honest, I don't really. I've given it a good attempt, but it really is just my best guess. The only people who can really get it 100% are people who are single sided deaf and have a CI in one ear (not me).
I hope you enjoy the video anyway.
Nelle xx
What does channels means ? how do we know the channels for particular person ?
Hi, the number of channels is the number of electrodes on the internal part of the implant. It just depends on the model of implant the person has. I have 22 electrodes on mine for example. My BSL teacher has 16 because she has an older implant and hers is a different brand. More channels in general is better because each channel corresponds to a frequency of sound so the more channels you have, the more differentiation between different pitches. If you're interested, I have a picture on my instagram (@nellefindlay) where you can see the X-ray of my implant and if you zoom into the electrode array (the spiral bit) you can see the dots of the individual electrodes.
I hope this answers your question.
Nelle xx
@@nellefindlay thanks for replying, I will check on my daughter's x-ray, thanks for all the content you share
@@nellefindlay well done for learning BSL from a proper teacher! Will you be taking the exams at the end & complete different stages? Would being an interpreter or teacher for the deaf be a career you think of taking up? I know you were talking about going to uni.because of my brain injury when I was 20 have a form of dyslexia which makes it hard for me to spell so I would hate to spell the wrong words! But there was a big march in London (28th Jan) trying to get BSL classed as a proper language which I support 100%.
Thank you Nelle, I had no idea. Is there anything that can supplement the implant to enable you to listen to music closer to how we hear it?
Hi, thank you for your comment. At the moment, this is about as good as it gets for music. The only thing is for your brain to adjust and percieve the sound as more normal which can happen over time but that's more of a perception thing rather than an actual difference in the sound quality.
To be honest, bearing in mind I'm pretty much totally deaf, this is pretty good. I can follow along with the tune and lyrics of songs I know even if they sound a bit weird and out of tune.
I think it's more helpful to compare the sound of a cochlear implant to silence rather than normal hearing because normal hearing isn't an option for deaf people. Between silence and a cochlear implant, I personally prefer this (although I have to admit it is a relief to take it off at the end of the day.)
I hope this answered your question.
Nelle xx
@@nellefindlay It's an excellent reply Nelle, which made me realise I had concentrated on the quality of the sound rather than the fact that it is sound compared to nothing. You are doing a great job in helping us to understand.
@@nellefindlay that answer to that gentleman sums up my feeling of over 30 yrs wearing hearing aids & being severe to profoundly deaf & for the past 3 mths profoundly deaf! I would rather hear something with hearing aids than nothing at all but these latest BTE aids are the latest most powerful the NHS does! And the loudest! When they come off at night there is now total silence! Apart from ringing in my ears! But with most CI's when the person takes them off it is total silence as any residual natural hearing has gone! Nelle you have had 9 mths of being deaf! I was lucky up until 3 mths ago my hearing went gradually! It's a whole new life for you & your learning stuff every day & it can take up to a year for your brain to learn new things with CI's as you been told by the implant team! If I may ask what are you still being taught at classes by the implant team?
This is interesting. I do wear hearing aids, but it sounds more „under water“ without aids. Now I can imagine what it means when implant user talk about „robotic speech“. World like to listen to „abcdefu“ by Gayle. Is there and „generator“ wehre I can try this or did you do it yourself? Greetings, Ingo.
Hi, I'm glad you found this video interesting. I made this simulation using a program called AngelSim. You just download it onto your computer and you can import .wav files and convert them into a cochlear implant simulation. There are quite a few different settings. I just played around with them to get as close as I could (bearing in mind I can only hear the simulation through my implant). I hope this helps.
Nelle xx