The Guitars of Andres Segovia
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- Are the question how many Guitars did Segovia have isn’t totally answered in the video however after watching the video it safe to assume at least over 50 and most likely more. However this video is about which guitars did he actually play! I try to talk about his Jose Ramirez, Manuel Ramirez and his guitars made by Herman Hauser.
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I do a little bit about where those guitars are now and if you want to where you can even see them in person however I couldn’t go into too much detail without making this video way too long.
I hope you enjoy and please let me know if there are other guitar players do you want me to talk about their guitars. this was really fun to learn about So I plan to do more either way!!
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Segovia purchased 2 guitars from R.E. Brune. One built in 1986 was a copy from the 1937 Hauser. Brune was allowed access to the instrument and is the author of plans that are available.
I met Segovia when he came to the small town I lived in Germany. I think it was 1977. There was a snow storm so there were only about 25 people in the audience
When the concert ended we all had the opportunity to go back stage for drinks.
I was the only one there who spoke Spanish. We hit it off like old friends for about 30 minutes. He told me he didn’t practice as much but still practiced 4 to 6 hours daily. I knew he was a famous guitarrist but didn’t know he was the best during his life.
Who would have known that exactly 46 years later I decided to take lessons.
The bloke who introduced Segovia to Manuel Ramirez was Miguel Llobet who was helping Segovia to find a concert guitar. Segovia was about 20 years of age.
Maybe this will make you smile. Last week my friend told me that when his father died years ago he left him 2 guitars. He put them in storage because he does not play. He did not know details about the guitars but said they were Ramirez brand and that his dad played classical music. He said the strings were in bad shape. I offered to put new strings on for him. Imagine my surprise when I discovered he had a 1969 Ramirez 1A model with Brazilian rosewood made in the Ramirez shop ! The other one was a 1970s model. I explained to him what a treasure he had. I hope you enjoyed the story.
Lucky man :)
I had a chance to study with him in 1980 summer in Spain and did not do it biggest regret
Wow thats awesome that you had the chance to do so though!
Keep up the videos I really enjoy them
I was at a symposium in the 1990’s at the Met in New York City for what would have been Segovia’s 100th birthday. They interviewed R. Brune who was tasked with the examination and preservation of Segovia’s guitars. They had numerous lectures and performances with an evening concert by Manuel Barrueco. What a great thing to have experienced.
Wow thanks for sharing that experience must have been awesome for sure!
And Segovia bought 2 guitars from Brune
I am in love with hauser sound. Its life time addiction. I wish i could play that beautiful guitar.
Do you mean the ex Segovia's Hauser? If so, I think it is still available at Siccas. It still sounds good at some TH-cam videos here. But Segovia gave it up because he reckoned it had suffered from rare incurable disease.
dont we all.. haha
Thanks for researching this! It's really fascinating. I read that no classical music was written specifically for classical guitar prior to Segovia. I would never have thought of it. It's really a fascinating world.
Thanks so much for checking out the video! Well no classical music was written for the guitar by non guitar composers. He changed that
before I was used to playing the guitar but recently it has been 3 years playing the piano I also thought of playing classical guitar together with a piano. hope how much your video helps me out. soon I will be back to comment.
Awesome keep me updated!
Great video my friend.
Thank you!!
Awesome content!
Hey Jonny!
Thank you so much for your comment! I am away this week but more videos coming next week!
As much as I admire the skill and dedication it takes to become a concert guitarist, I only take a passing interest in classical guitar music. But I found this video on Segovia's guitars quite interesting.
Well done.
Thanks so much! I think that any style to really master and get takes skill and dedication. Like anything all peope have different kind of interest in things
Thank you again for the video. Do you have a bibliography for your lecture?
Thanks so much! Unfortunately i dont there were some good sites i found i can try to dig up again
Correction: The Hauser guitar that Segovia turned over to his student (Sophocles Pappas) who in turn gave it to Charlie Byrd, dates from the year *_1928_* (not 1933). I have seen and played this particular instrument, and considered purchasing it back in 2017. However, when it arrived at the luthier, it was in rough shape; the fingerboard, tuners, bridge, and the top had to be replaced. With only a few original parts left, it's _cache_ had been somewhat diminished; and so I passed.
I wonder how it got in such bad shape?
@@newgunguy4176 Probably in the dozen or so years as it passed through several owners after it had left Charlie's estate.
Nice original vinyl on your wall…. COOL!!!
hey! thanks so much! they make nice decorations as well as listening!
I was in the Ramirez guitar shop in Madrid. Amazing place. Rexomend.
i gotta go one day!
@@ForTheClassicalGuitarist I was also in the workshop (not the shop near the plaza de Ayutamiento)
of then Amalia Ramirez. It is a bit far from the Ayutamientoshop. We took the wrong door there and
we were standing in the middle of about 5 workmen who friendly answered all my questions regarding
the reparation of a 1983 Jose Ramirez class 1A. It had a repaired crack but by seeing it, they said: "Leave it
that way. The guitar sounds wonderful now". Also the reparation I did myself on it to lower the action by
shaving away the fingerboard towards the head was similar to their method of treating guitars with a too
high action. It simply happens to most classical guitars over time.
@@ForTheClassicalGuitaristSame here.
Great story and content but I believe it was a 10 stringed Santo Hernandez not Ramerez that Master Segovia obtained from that musical establishment. It was later converted to a six string configuration for him and then brought to Hauser for consultation and recreation. This is the instrument that he stated was truly inspirational to him. 🎶🎶
I own a 1967 Hauser II made for and (I would assume) played by Segovia. It was sold hurriedly for 50 dollars in Portland to the man who owned it before me…stolen maybe? Who knows. The guy bought it thinking little of it, having no idea how important an instrument it was. His daughter was using it for a prop in the high school musical, etc,..then one day he took it to Jeff Elliot who enlightened him as to how important a guitar it was.
I really enjoy it a lot. It has a bigger 660 scale which Hauser II used to accommodate his large hands, and the plantilla is slightly larger than other Hauser II’s. Special tone. Lovely.
Now thats a story!
Good grief that's a steal, would you except $60 for it 😄
Apparently, Julian Bream bought a 1928 Hauser from an unsuspecting elderly lady in 1950 for 5 pounds, (about 200 pounds in today’s money).
Great Subject.
Thank you!
Hauser. Segovia took a Santos Hernandez guitar to Hauser and asked him to build a similar guitar. This is well known and the beginning of the Hauser pattern... Santos Hernandez. If you compare a plantilla of a genuine Hernandez and a Hauser you will see that the are virtually identical.
The guitar they auctioned in 2019 is estimated worth between €50,000 and €75,000.
Why that low?
David Gilmour's 1954 Fender has been sold for $1,815,000. Even Kurt Cobain's Martin D-18E has been sold for $6,010,000.
€75,000 for Segovia's guitar was a real bargain.
Haha thanks for sharing! Yea really low when you look at the famous rock guitarists guitars
I think it's better like that. Segovia never wanted any association with the turbulent world of modern fad, rock and roll etc., which he called 'noisy'. That world is built on many fake values and marketing exaggerations, and its values clash with values of the world of classical arts. I know that many today would want to see classical instruments skyrocket in price as if with that the classical world would get "more attention". But is the antithesis of the classical music genre. For centuries, classical musicians would get tuition for free (many came from poor families), and later, offered it for free. The instruments were built to support artists, not to put them out of commission by tagging with insane prices. The Classical in many ways means: modesty and a high level of integrity, lifelong dedication to a noble cause. Segovia's own approach to Ramirez testifies that: he had only enough money to rent an instrument, and guessed, if pianos are rented to the musicians to help them out, and violins too, why not the guitars? That was his classical way of thinking. So let's stick to it.
@@zvonimirtosic6171 Beautifully and wisely written. I think the same, but I wouldn't have the courage to express myself this way. People treat such a view as an excuse for an unsatisfying situation. I believe, like you, that money does not ennoble everything.
silliness
Could you please cover the guitars Agustin Barriors Mangore ? And Francisco Tarrega ? Could you also go over the construction of the guitars a bit ? Like the woods used... the bracing etc etc... Hard to find good info out there. Enjoy the channel. Subscribed. All the best
Thank you for your comment I think I would have to talk to my luthier to help me out with that but that is certainly some thing I can try to do in the future!
I too would like to hear about barriors mangore guitar
See the Wikipedia article on Barrios. 👍
Heermann Hauser spent more than ten years trying to convince Segovia to play his guitar. Segovia told him where he should improve. In the end, and between the two of them, they built the guitar that best suited his needs (he was never fully satisfied with any guitar). Ramirez II did not convince him.
He returned to Ramirez III years later.
Martin and Co. dropped the ball and missed an opportunity to put classical guitar on the map if they could have convince Andre to play one. I wonder if they tried.
haha you know, youre totally right I never thought of that. but then again they got Eric Clapton and John Mayer playin their guitars still so I think theyre doing okay haha
What about his Ignacio Fleta guitars? He had 3 and also toured with them. What about his Benito Ferrer? What about his Manuel de la Chica. Just trying to be a little bit more complete!!
The Fleta spruce went to John Williams. John did fabulous recordings with that guitar and another cedar Fleta. Then John sold them to Jason (forgot his name) lives in Adelaide Australia.
Wow so awesome! Thanks for sharing! I had no idea!
Sounds like that was Jason Waldron
Think that mr Williams did a bad thing selling them marwelous Fletas away. I havent done that, for sure. Think that those Smallman guitars are real uggly, clumsy and so on, he plays on now.
Yes Jason and his wife have them, my friend a luithier has studied it for details.
I never heard that. Do you have a source? If true, it would not be the same guitar that he used for his recordings after 1961.
He had some Kohnos IIRC but idt he concertized with them
Awesome! Yea he really had a ton. Would love yo hear what he thought of the Kohno’s
@@ForTheClassicalGuitarist If I had to guess, he might have considered them similar to his Fletas, since Kohno really modeled his stuff after Fleta in the 70's.
An article in the National Foundation for Popular Culture website it said that Alberto "Tití" Amadeo Rivera a Latin music composer and luthier manufactured guitars for Segovia. Do you know if that is true? I have one of Titi Amadeo's guitars and always wondered if there was a connection to Segovia.
He had also a Strato 😄
He actually hated electric guitars. He said, "The electric guitar is an abomination".
@@michaelgonzalez7304 Yes, it doesn't surprise me
Yea thats right!!!
Wonder what he would make of Greg Smallman or Matthias Dammann guitars /lattice/double top construction?
I asked scott tennent this once, and he just said “he wouldnt like those guitars”
He would have hated them from the depth of his heart.
Merci.
Thanks!(?)
😊
Segovia died in 1987 so he wasn’t playing in 1989.
True! My mistake
yes he was, the harp at approx.67,000,000,000,000 feet above sea level.
Did he ever play with a spruce top rather than cedar? What did he think of spruce tops?
Hauser was spruce top!
Where’s the links?
Can you talk about the Smallman guitars.
That will certainly come up when I talk about the guitars of John Williams!
One question: why not exhume the remains of Segovia, put them back together and exhibit them with one of his guitars in the Segovia Museum?
REALLY GOOD QUESTION! I have thought the same thing and even tried to petition it. Sadly i didn’t have a youtube channel then so I could not get any signatures :(
u a sik dude....
Wow, I knew Charlie Byrd studied classical and had heard he studied with Segovia, but i never heard that his axe was previously Segovia's!
Haha yes! Very interesting!
Axe? Show some respect, neither Segovia nor Charlie Byrd played "axes".
Neither Ramirez, Hauser, Fleta, Contreras or any other luthier makes "axes".
@@jeffhildreth9244 Axe is an informal English means a musical instrument used in popular music or jazz, especially a guitar or (originally) a saxophone. I hope that will enlighten you a bit.
John Lay. You do not have the horse power, or experience, to lecture me.
AXE is an American colloquialism assigned to a musical instrument. It is not in common usage anywhere else. I, and others, do not use it because it is an assignment for, and by, a specific group of people in a specific circumstance. I am not of that group and don't use it. It is a silly affectation when used outside of its origin. I place it in the same category as calling the wood on a mahogany guitar "hog". Crude and insulting.
You seem to want attention so you can have the last word.
Doesn't really fit though. One could call a violin an axe and come off sounding like a dolt. I hope that enlightens you some.@@johnlay3040
8:59 - i can't see the link, to the video of Scott playing the guitar.
Link here:
th-cam.com/video/Jts3oV5ef48/w-d-xo.html
Your story about Segovia's first Ramirez is not what is commonly believed. . The first guitar was purported to be a 10 string in the window of the shop. The guitar was made by Santos Hernandez and not Ramirez. The guitar was modified to a six string for Segovia. . The guitar was not a gift and Ramirez and Segovia "negotiated" a price. Segovia was known to be frugal. This version can be found from many sources.
@Jeff Hildreth: Is Segovia lying in saying many times (at least once on film) that Ramirez told him: "Pay me back not with money but..." ?
@@stddisclaimer8020
I have found considerable evidence of your claim, I do not trust the sources.
Not the facts as I know them.
Show me the film.
The key point here is that the guitar was made by Hernandez not Ramirez,, multi-stringed, returned to 6 strings.
@@jeffhildreth9244 Show you the film? "Segovia at Los Olivos-The Song of the Guitar" a documentary film by Christopher Nupen 1967. th-cam.com/video/rFygb9YNujk/w-d-xo.html
At 21:00, Segovia says that Manuel Ramirez told him: "Pay me without money..." You are correct and Segovia is lying?
@@stddisclaimer8020 Weasel words. Nice try, no cigar.
PS One of my sources is a long time friend of the Ramirez family. Also an historian and author on Spanish guitars and a guitar maker.
Additionally my neighbor, and friend, is a former Segovia student and personal friend of Segovia for over 40 years. He bought many of Ramirez cast off guitars. He arranged concerts in the US for him. He has hundreds of letters and photos of Segovia. Segovia used cases made by this individual. He lived in Spain for many years. He is also a former concertizing guitarist, former Classical Guitar Dept head at a major US university, he also makes guitars.
I'll refer to these two individuals for information.
You can have the last word.
@@jeffhildreth9244 So, you're suggesting Segovia's statement that Manuel Ramirez gifted him the 1912 (reworked) guitar, telling him to pay him back *_not_* with money, are "weasel words"?
The linked film where Segovia says exactly that has been provided you, and yet you continue to lie, boast and distract, even as the evidence sits before your face. Let your denial of the facts serve as the "last word." Now I know who I'm dealing with.
I thought Segovia died in 87'?
Yes June 2nd 1987
The 1914 Ramírez is fake, I Saw the guitar in Granada, very bad restoration in the Early 90s by José Ramírez, they quit off the central bar to install a Big piece of wood, cracks and the wood sanded, the ex-owner had no documentations about, ridículous guitar.
Fleta. Segovia was friends with Fleta and generously agreed to play his guitars. . . He did not like the guitars and gave them up. Well known.
Not true. Segovia regarded Fleta as a genius. You can hear that in a long Spanish interview. According to GSI, he owned three Fletas. But he found that they were not robust enough for his travels, overheated New York hotel rooms and so on.
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The photo shopped/chopped thumbnail cover pic is enough to turn me off to opening this video...
Segovia would not be caught dead holding a cutaway guitar nor one with pearloid position markers you show him with here !!! It's blasphemy !!!
Haha that was kind of the point. People see that and think “what…there is no way he played that guitar i gotta watch this and see if that was true” and then they watch it and realize it’s only about his real guitars. Its the youtube way
Perhaps if you could speak even more quickly I would miss EVERYTHING you wanted to say instead of just 75% of it - CALM DOWN PLEASE!!!!!!!!
I just love Segovia and his guitars I was sooooo excited =(
But for real thank you for the feed back. It is something I am working on it. But i hope you enjoyed the 255 you got =)
Go to "settings", click on "playback speed", Click on 75%. Problem solved.
Can you please pronounce one just one Spanish word or name correctly?? Did you go to school?
Spanish was an elective in my school.
No I was home schooled