The scow-bowed Revolution 24 is certainly weird, but is it wonderful?
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- This mini-cruiser may look quirky, even extraordinary, but wait till you see the space it provides below decks. Toby Hodges steps aboard from the Revolution 24's home port of La Rochelle
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I like it - I can't wait for the Class 40 Scows designs to be de-tuned and adapted for the cruising market
It might not be classically pretty, but as long as that blunt bow is kept above the water I see no reason to dislike it.
But Beauty is Everything... Just ask Jackie of "That 70s show"!!
What a glowing endorsement :D
The scow is a great old idea brought back to life. I have been using the Musard 29 for 6 years and am delighted with this 8.80m transportable version.
Love to see these kinds of innovative, break-the-mold type designs. Not sure this one is for me, but love to have the variety available anyway. Competition breeds innovation!
Agreed!
I'm an instant fan!!! As an ex Minisail owner, I love the scow bow... And the interior space it creates is just awesome!
Another ex Minisail owner here!
I just think it’s great to see something unique that combines a material less often used with unconventional design!
It looks like an aluminium pan, but it is, hands down, one of the most curious boats ever presented in this channel.
The concept is I believe sound through and through and it looks like a survival cocoon for an apocalyptical epic where the oceans became the one place to thrive.
Easily (oddly?) one of my favourite vessel that passed through Toby's seaworthy hands...
I hope one day we will have a survival cocoon for an apocalyptical epic.
I thought the same! Finally a boat that is actually well-thought, not simply an expensive toy for showing-off
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It has AMAZING desing!
10 of 10!
Finally, a fun and seaworthy boat design i can afford! :)
what an amazing design for a home builder
Now i know exactly what shape to make my next hull.
Thanks
It's one of those boats that just look like they shouldn't sail, but it looks like it does. Big fan of the thought that has gone into this yacht as well and the price looks more than reasonable too maybe that is because of not having carbon everywhere. The choice of aluminium really is an interesting and great choice, especially when it comes to the end of life of the yacht. I do hope they make the hull form using explosives :D Cheers for the vid.
Nice boat, looks like it sails well.
Great little boat
We just built a 42 scow bow, junk rig in berkeley. The Rosie G will llaunch by Christmas. At 42 its giant inside. Scow revolution is legit.
That sounds extremely interesting, you should put up a video of it.
Would absolutely love to ride this one.
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Love so much about this boat.
Interesting boat design. My question is where is the chain locker?
After looking at this strange boat for 9 and a half minutes, I already think she looks awesome in her own way. Bluff, hardy and utilitarian. I can imagine her exploring remote fjords in the high arctic, or something similarly adventurous.
A big little boat indeed! ⛵
This is a real sailing boat and i love it.
Very nice on a calm sea I would imagine, but if things get a bit lively.... I would love to see her dealing with a decent swell, just to see how she does. The bow design obviously makes her a skimmer, so I would imagine that she would get slapped about a bit.
@Johannes Li Ehhh no... Lemsteraaks never set speed records sailing around Cape Horn, or really anywhere.
It’s like having your stern at the bow
Look at the sailing Frenchmen videos he has a mini transat 650 that he is racing at the moment crossing Atlantic and doing very well in very rough seas
@@martineyer5336 Will do. Thanks Martin.
Sorry, it's kind of beautiful - really is!!
It would be so great to get a test video of the Revolution 29 as well.
Curious to see how that would deal with the strong counter current or chop.
It is basically a really tall scow. One great feature is the huge volume for berths, and you would have to hit a vertical wall of water to bury that bow! Would be a great design for a small liveaboard with max room and low fees.
Beautiful
A cruising class mini 6.5! Cool.
Very good. I’m keen to see a 13 M model.
Cpt James Cook sailed the Endeavour , a Whitby Cat, around the world. This is basically a micro version of the hull.
Great review of an interesting boat. I think it would be better to call the berth in the bow a u berth instead of a c berth
Certainly better as a U if traditionally it’s a V. For it to be a C would demand traditional bow to be a < ha ha ha
its a D i reckon !
What an interesting concept - likely she would work very well here in Australia - providing there was a lot of flow-through ventilation for the interior - otherwise she looks like a solar oven with that foredeck ! I would also have liked to have seen an image or diagram showing the entire hull for this mini-review. Hopefully there will be a more substantial review of the boat under sail in a 10 - 15 knot breeze and with a bit of chop on the water (to silence the critics of scows - chop is not a problem if you know how to sail one).
Thank you. And yes, I would have loved some more (any more!) breeze too. There are some diagrams on the manufacturer's website: www.afep-marine.com/revolution24-bateau-aluminium-presentation.php
@@yachtingworld - THANK YOU ! This is a very interesting yacht.
YES!
dutch were doing this a long time ago, add leeboards and a curved gaff.
Love it!
Step forward the first man to commission a scow bowed super maxi… I can’t wait.
Gorgeous boat.... following architect David Raison since he won the mini.... and afep marine their revolution 29 is even nicer
i think these are beautiful yachts because they perform beautifully .... and i think anyone who thinks its ugly would think the same, the more miles they get under the keel.
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Fascinating little yacht. Great layout and use of space. Ultra low maintenance also. But for me a boat has to be pretty.
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I agree. Personally I like the sun odyssey 410. It’s an amazing looking boat
It isnt pretty, but is it ugly? I kind of like/accept it
Slightly different price bracket is Endeavour.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
This boat is pretty for me🙂
Looks like it would make a nice boat for 3-4 night outing for 3-4 people, likely well behaved with no nasty surprises in handling and the ability to ground. Add a small porta-bote tender and you could have a lot of fun exploring coastal shallows.
The only down side I see would be those windows on the forward deck in hotter climates, you'd need to keep them covered from sun up to sun down or it'd be an oven inside.
i’m wondering if retractable lee boards would possibly work well on this hull design ? sure would free up cabin space…perhaps ballast bilge?…i understand the challenge this might create, but if there is a way to do it and not compromise weight, could be an interesting approach…
If you think about it the hull shape is a bit like an old wooden galleon. Obviously the sides are smaller, but the shape is very old indeed.
Nice !!
It probably gets beat hard in a chop. Also, they've increased the volume, but can't fill it with anything or the front will sit too low and plow water.
Wow! Not a scow as I know 'em, but this & the MacGregor are definitely compelling little sailboats.
These could be an entry Bennettaeu etc sub-brand, just make grp instead of aluminium & tidy it all up.
_Before the hydroplane era, I raced "Classic Moths". It was scows v skiffs before hydros. Crazy little boats._
_Scows dominated flat waters, any real chop & the skiffs could point much higher. I had one of each._
This kind of hull shape lends itself to skimming on the surface instead of cutting through so they can be surprisingly fast maybe at the cost of tolerating some pounding. Scows are great for lakes, e g. Melges
was thinking the same thing
I have been using the Musard 29 for 6 years and I can confirm that it is no less pleasant than a classic bow sailing boat at Sea
I have been using the Musard 29 for 6 years and I can confirm that it is no less pleasant than a classic bow sailing boat
Merci pour cette belle vidéo . La masse du lest n'est pas l'élément unique déterminant pour la raideur à la toile . Les scow ont une meilleure raideur à la toile car plus de volume immergé sous le vent et donc plus de poussée archimédienne .
D'autre part , ce qui compte est le moment de redressement ( dépendant le la profondeur de la quille et de la masse du lest )
Très beau bateau et très beau concept d'avenir avec énormément d'idées ingénieuses .
Bravo !
Sailing Frenchman is been using this design, racing.
Bombastic)))) 👍
NICE
would like to see the hull shape out of the water sometime or underwater, use that swim platform!
How does it sail? Comfort is great, but what are the aquadynamics?
This would be a fun Great Lakes solo distance racer....
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The extra floatation up front would probably help her ride higher in the bow as it enters a wave. I don't see it making the ride much rougher at sailing speeds.
That might be exactly the crux. The modern scows work because at displacement speeds they work on waterline length, and once they’re planing they still don't generate enough velocity to be overly interrupted by the chop on the surface of the swell that they’re surfing anyway
One would think the bow design would have to cause the boat to “hobby horse” in rough seas. I’d bet it surfs down waves like crazy however. Can’t argue about all the utility of the extra space below deck however. Great experiment.
I'm comparing this beauty to a Beneteau 30.1. It's very durable, light, interesting for furious storms, and has a lot of utility. I'm sure I'll feel very safe in one. Cork is a proven insulation in submarines. Can it tack well?
The top triangle on most ordinary sailboat rigs does not add anything but windage and weight high above deck. It's a great idea to just cut it off. A sailboat does not need to look like a dart to go efficiently through the water - a windsurfer for example goes over the surface efficiently - even when not planing. And when heeled in a 'dart' design you loose a lot balance anyway. With a scow you get a lot of waterline, stability interior room and workspace on deck on a short boat.
I don't agree with aluminium for the hull. There are so many great composites available.
Rethinking boat design is very welcome indeed :-).
All the best
Per
Great concept, scows are probably the future. seems a bit on the heavy side especially considering the utilitarian style it's finished in. Think a more reasonable weight for a 24ft cruiser with 300 kg ballast would have been like 1000kg, probably down to the aluminium construction. cool concept tho
Is all 300 kg ballast at the deep end of that 1.9 meter keel?
Or is some of it internal?
Clever design. What might their team do with a slightly longer LOA?
There's a Revolution 29 too, you might want to check that out
Very different... I actually think it looks quite pretty too.
Interesting boat. I'd love to know how she sails...
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Looks like it would make a great wind-powered icebreaker...
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As weird as it looks I think it's a brilliant idea.
Clearly an unusual design, but a lot of boat for the price.
Fantastic, id buy one. Going upwind with a few feet of slop, terrible. Id still buy one.
How fast will the water drain if the cockpit is swamped in following seas? Are the scuppers adequate to shed those pounds the girl will suddenly put on?
For the lakes... yes: for Australian lakes? most, for west Ozzie coastal cruising I don’t think so, it would do well around the Gold Coast but would need to be trailerable at this length as moorings are a 12 year wait and marina berths for the rich who wouldn’t buy it. I like it, if it’s below $150AUD with all the usuals that usually without being ridiculous can add up to double the price of a Beneteau it’s a good thing.
i like how very usefull and utilitarian everything looks. Does the bow shape work upwind as well? I imagine it to be very difficoult to sail against even the smallest waves.
I've not sailed one, but "the sailing frenchman" (YT channel) has sailed a scow bowed mini in the mini transat so you can see his youtube channel for how this style of boat sails in all wind conditions, apparently it's better upwind than a traditional pointy bow boat.
@@daveamies5031 thanks for the tip, will look into that
With all that freeboard, it reminds me a little of a MacGregor. So right from the off, the bar can't get any lower for this boat!
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All of the mini Transat boats I saw were Scow-bowed. It seems wrong but you can't ignore it.
Looks like it gripes quite a bit meeting a wave, does it take a lot of work at the helm?
Interesting
But what's the anchor set up?
I like it’s functional form and the space would like to see a 28 foot version
There is a 29 foot version out now
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The perfect inch by inch replica used in master & commander is moored at the San diego naval museum.
The scow bow looks just like this sailboat.
It's an ancient design that allows for a broader beam and shallower keel. The bow and beam provide the buoyancy to counteract healing & plunging.
Someday, narrow & sharp "pretty" boats will look obsolete and dated with an obvious form over function emphasis.
Horses for courses. If you graphed relative boat mass, power and bow shape and seastate and length and design speed against eachother you’d have probably eight intersecting lines. Modern scows work as well as they do because their power to weight ratio is such that that planing is within the realm of possibility. Most planing designs can afford to be blunt instruments, but once you keep going up the speed and sea state lines it starts to become beneficial again to keep the bow from lifting.
@@weatheranddarkness Sail warships were designed for platform stability. Clippers were designed for speed while carrying cargo.
Take away the cargo, and what provides the fastest hull shape? Planing.
So now we have a non plunging bow, a broader beam, two rudders/wheels *and* much more power in both rigging/sail strength.
The only thing holding back full scows on expensive boats is perception. Each iteration gets closer, but we're probably years away as new models slowly introduce fuller bows
How much does that beauty go for?
In terms of space my old 1974 Hurley '24 gave me 6ft standing headroom, had 4 berths, a separate heads, a galley area, and looked after you.....no doubt this is faster.
Reminds me of Tom Wilkes’ “SCHUSS” JOG Boat built by his Viking Marine out of stretched aluminum on the same production line as the ships lifeboats about 1958/9x
Anyone have a picture of her.
I have an Aerial photo and some 8 mm film , but nothing more.
Build it in a 36’ version ❤
OK, I'll get one.
What’s the purpose of a bow like this? Can anyone explain?
A 40 footer like this might be very nice.
I wonder how that bow would cope with large waves
It could not be buried.
Could you circumnavigate in a boat such as this?
Might take a few bucks to rig it. And it carries a bit less length on the keel than a Mini 6.5, but I think it would only take a brave and capable person to make it happen
@@weatheranddarkness or a very lucky fool
we call that kind of keel a 'daggerboard' over here
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I was preplexed with the design, until Toby mention it's french, then it all make sense
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Can we see some action in some waves...
Hmm, I like it, similar to a cat boat,,,Catsme-scow?
No Anchor Box.... so only what for people who are every evening back in the harbor.
Not sure how that would go with our sharp gulf chop
Finally a v berth big enough for adults
Not going to win a beauty contest but interesting!
But, how DOES it beat to windward?
I do have a technical question though... there is a line to pull up the keel, but is there one to keep it down? What happens if you capsize?
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A whole lot more than a 'bit' there, bucko.
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How is 'full standing headroom' different from regular headroom?
Mini transat for the masses?
Good on flat water , However it would smash the mast to pieces out at sea IMHO