Marss went GODE MODE THIS TOURNAMENT! He only lost 3 games, 3-2 with Meister and 3-1 with Samsora, and just straight up 3-0 everyone else Also Meister got the worst possible opponents , he lost to Maars Winner Quarters and lost to MKLeo on Loser Semis
I want to thank you! As a casual player, I often get amazed by how pro players can pull of those crazy combos and kills. If it wasn't through your analysis, I wouldn't realize how deep of a thought process there was behind those big plays. Keep up the great work!
Marss finally won an S tier and he has set his dominance in top 5 as the elite 4. Everyone else has won a S tier tournament and beaten leo. Samsora Shine Nairo Mainstage Tweek Frostbite Now Marss Genesis 7 Leo is probably the champion. Either way this season is focused on marss x leo. I'm hype for that.
Please do many more of these. Literally no one else goes as in depth into every single interaction and the thoughts of each player while it's happening, it's legit amazing. Leffen gets close but you got him beat :)
Personally I feel ZSS and Joker are the two most fun characters to watch competitively. I don't mind their respective nerfs, but I wish Nintendo would buff with the goal of making characters more complex and fun, not just "better"
You can’t blame Leo for dropping the tournament, you would have to be a literal god to 4 peat at any big tournament like Genesis, Big House, Evo, or Summit.
it's crazy how you can go in such depth for every decision each player makes, when in the actual match these players are making these decisions and actions pretty much on the spot with no time to think or react. goes to show how rooted smash is in these players minds. great analysis btw.
3:40 mkleo did even more of this. After the first one mkleo did full hop single gun then used his remaining air time to double jump back towards center. Even after this mkleo starts to walk towards center stage. Whether it's a whiff (full hop single gun) or a hit (backflip bair) mkleo is fully aware of keeping center stage, and protects it after both. And the main thing here is, amarada pointed it out, is that mkleo uses his movement wonderfully this way, but what's even more beneficial is mixing up movement. As I pointed out mkleo uses a walk back, a double jump back, and a dash back to put himself in a good position where he can read his opponent trying to get back to good stage position. There is even more options with other characters, so make sure you practice and master you character's options.
This video just happened to fall into my recommendations and it was well worth my time. A very entertaining and informative video. Keep up the good work!
Marss, mkleo, nairo, samsora, tweek the only western players to have won an s tier and widely considered top 5 players. Definitely could see a 5 gods of ultimate emerging
I completely doubt it was to get into his head, things like that wont get to Leo. It might’ve been more of a “yeah i did that im cool” to hype himself up
38:50 im pretty sure that dragdown downsmash isnt true at that percent, I've seen leo opt for a grab instead of a downsmash in similar percents, it was a high risk high reward situation as it was mentioned in the video, he was behind and bet it all, but even then it doesn't look like leo overextends much more in the rest of the game.
That was the most hype set I’ve seen so far in Smash Ultimate!! Every second of it was so tense and exchanges were so explosives! Sure it seems like MKLeo wasn’t on top of his game, but Marss played like a mad lad he just went all out throughout! Props to him!
I don't like this mentality that Leo lost cause he was "playing his best" Its easy to go back and see after the fact that he wasn't hit things that he usually does but that can also be because of the pressure that his opponent puts on him. I know that you're not trying to take credit away from Marss but it just feels like backhanded compliment, no offence.
Jalen Well it’s like this for any kind of competition really. Participants involved don’t always perform consistently and that’s just being human. If anything I’m throwing shade at Leo not Marss (though I’m not). I mean, good on Marss for reading so well into Leo’s mistakes. Seems like you understood my comment the wrong way and are reading too much into it. I did say that was the best set I’ve ever seen in Ultimate that can’t really be a backhand compliment.
Do you think optimal stage control is only center stage for all characters or is it character dependent? Like is Wii Fit at ledge (at least in smash 4) or Ultimate Falco's jumps circleling around tri plats to convert into advantage against a center stage opponent considered more optimal stage control for those 2 characters or no?
A mix of both. Can be character dependent, for most characters you will want to be center stage but characters like zoners do like to setup at the edge of the stage. But it can also be mu dependent like let's say greninja vs lucina. The lucina will want to get center stage but the greninja doesn't want to approach the lucina due to her aerials so the greninja player decides to shuriken camp at the edge to force an approach from the lucina. Having good stage control can mean different things for different charactera and stages.
@@rafikirana2468 okay that actually answers my question perfectly. Thank you! I main Yoshi and play rushdown/bait and punish against MUs that have disjoints or superior frame data. Would you say center stage control is generally the most optimal for my Yoshi play?
@@colinhay1666 For bait and punish center stage is always good to have since the opponent has to approach you. I'm a greninja main so I don't know too much about what a yohsi wants but if you head over to the yoshi discord they will have tons of people who would be happy to help you out.
@@rafikirana2468 Thanks so much man. Last question I swear haha.. does Greninja have any bread and butter combos or are they all strictly character/percent specific? Cause I love how Greninja feels but if he's as hard to learn as like Peach I might not want to invest the time u know?
@@colinhay1666 greninja is character you would put time into and isn't a character you can pick up and do well with. I wouldn't say he is as hard as peach but diffently not a free character. Some bread and butter moves for him would be DA > BAIR and one kill confirm would be Dtilt > Usmash. Those are some of the simple ones but also common moves many greninja players use. Greninja is a solo viable character with maybe 1 or 2 bad mu's that can take you far as long as you put time into him. If you ever wanted to start learning the character I would visit the greninja discord FAQ then start asking questions. I'm often on the server so it wouldn't be uncommon to spot me online.
Waited for this so long!!! I am way too bad to recognize these things but I love your analysis. I tried to analyse it myself but noticed no sequences at all :(. My goal is to beat the Swiss champion in the Swiss scene: myi Destany
Watched this match a few times and never noticed how many little things went Marss' way, especially that air-dodge right at the end, can't believe he survived that. MKLeo looked like he was a little cautious and maybe felt a bit nervous, and when these little things went Marss' way the games just slipped out of his fingers. EDIT: Marss taunts twice: once in game 2 after the double KO, and he hits rapid jab after the first stocks in game 3. This might have been to help put pressure on MKLeo, as people can often feel they have to kick your ass after you taunt at them. Maybe next time Marss will just teabag lol.
@@Luxgenic he didn't have a long streak but he has only lost like 3 tourneys since goml of last year which is insane. A streak of dominance with an occasional 2nd place
Help me out guys. this is for everyone that MOSTLY plays online torney mode i LOVE this game mode is my go to, the stages are random selected just like in quickplay BUT in online tourney the DLC stages DONT APPEAR and i have the fighters pass, i dont like that the players that decide to play this amazing mode cant enjoy the full content they paid for. help me by letting this be known so nintendo can take action MAKE DLC STAGES APPEAR IN ONLINE TOURNEY MODE PLEASE!!!!!!
Marss went GODE MODE THIS TOURNAMENT!
He only lost 3 games, 3-2 with Meister and 3-1 with Samsora, and just straight up 3-0 everyone else
Also Meister got the worst possible opponents , he lost to Maars Winner Quarters and lost to MKLeo on Loser Semis
*GODE MODE*
I love Armada's set review so much. He goes into the mind of the players that most people don't even notice
Thanks!
Really makes me happy to read those words so thank you
^ totally agree, fantastic review as always Armada!
I want to thank you! As a casual player, I often get amazed by how pro players can pull of those crazy combos and kills. If it wasn't through your analysis, I wouldn't realize how deep of a thought process there was behind those big plays. Keep up the great work!
You are all amazing and a reason I wanna keep doing this type of content
Top 8 for both games was crazy
You can see why Armada was a top smash player. No, THE top smash player for melee. The way he dissects these matches is just masterful.
Marss finally won an S tier and he has set his dominance in top 5 as the elite 4.
Everyone else has won a S tier tournament and beaten leo.
Samsora Shine
Nairo Mainstage
Tweek Frostbite
Now Marss Genesis 7
Leo is probably the champion. Either way this season is focused on marss x leo. I'm hype for that.
The Lord of The Weebs how do u know it will be marss v leo? Could easily be Sam v leo or tweek v leo.
That's the first time leo has been 3-0'd in ultimate at a major
The Lord of The Weebs also his first grand finals of an S tier
Forgetting esam
I have to admit, Light is definitely moving up in the competitive scene. His edge guarding is getting better and will soon be a threat to the top five
Please do many more of these. Literally no one else goes as in depth into every single interaction and the thoughts of each player while it's happening, it's legit amazing. Leffen gets close but you got him beat :)
Armada your review is so in depth and clearly explained that I barely noticed 44 minutes went by. Keep it up!
Personally I feel ZSS and Joker are the two most fun characters to watch competitively. I don't mind their respective nerfs, but I wish Nintendo would buff with the goal of making characters more complex and fun, not just "better"
Great analysis. I learnt a lot
A fan of Smash for merely a year. This is the first set that motivates me to watch it over and over again.
You can’t blame Leo for dropping the tournament, you would have to be a literal god to 4 peat at any big tournament like Genesis, Big House, Evo, or Summit.
And yet he made it to grand finals
Also he's been winning for so long that he was due for a loss. It happens
I immediately thought of Armadas summit 4peat lol
People are adapting to Leo’s play style
@@creeperkfc9483 that's true but people have been saying that for months now. Then leo adapts back and wins the next set and s tier
it's crazy how you can go in such depth for every decision each player makes, when in the actual match these players are making these decisions and actions pretty much on the spot with no time to think or react. goes to show how rooted smash is in these players minds. great analysis btw.
3:40 mkleo did even more of this. After the first one mkleo did full hop single gun then used his remaining air time to double jump back towards center. Even after this mkleo starts to walk towards center stage. Whether it's a whiff (full hop single gun) or a hit (backflip bair) mkleo is fully aware of keeping center stage, and protects it after both. And the main thing here is, amarada pointed it out, is that mkleo uses his movement wonderfully this way, but what's even more beneficial is mixing up movement. As I pointed out mkleo uses a walk back, a double jump back, and a dash back to put himself in a good position where he can read his opponent trying to get back to good stage position. There is even more options with other characters, so make sure you practice and master you character's options.
Great analysis, Armada. Ultimate is my first smash game partly because of your early videos showcasing Inkling and gameplay vids of Marss with ZSS.
Yoooo I learned so much from this analysis, some of the stuff on here I never wouldve thought of
This video just happened to fall into my recommendations and it was well worth my time. A very entertaining and informative video. Keep up the good work!
A "nutter" (32:22) great analysis by one of the smash GOATs
Marss, mkleo, nairo, samsora, tweek the only western players to have won an s tier and widely considered top 5 players. Definitely could see a 5 gods of ultimate emerging
Rip Esam
@@AlphaxZero28 glitch isn't an s tier
@@trinidaddy exactly
@@AlphaxZero28 oh I thought you were implying it was. My b
@@trinidaddy It was s-tier until a single player dropping out changed the tier ranking, ESAM lowkey got robbed
21:00 i didnt even noticed that leo was so smart goin for back air, NICE
22:20 I like how Marss taunts after the suicidal spike just to get in Leo's head.
I completely doubt it was to get into his head, things like that wont get to Leo. It might’ve been more of a “yeah i did that im cool” to hype himself up
After Leo made the biggest comeback ever in 2019 evo I don’t think anything will get to his head.
Thanks for the breakdown! Good insights
Loving these analysis.
38:50 im pretty sure that dragdown downsmash isnt true at that percent, I've seen leo opt for a grab instead of a downsmash in similar percents, it was a high risk high reward situation as it was mentioned in the video, he was behind and bet it all, but even then it doesn't look like leo overextends much more in the rest of the game.
That was the most hype set I’ve seen so far in Smash Ultimate!! Every second of it was so tense and exchanges were so explosives! Sure it seems like MKLeo wasn’t on top of his game, but Marss played like a mad lad he just went all out throughout! Props to him!
I don't like this mentality that Leo lost cause he was "playing his best" Its easy to go back and see after the fact that he wasn't hit things that he usually does but that can also be because of the pressure that his opponent puts on him. I know that you're not trying to take credit away from Marss but it just feels like backhanded compliment, no offence.
Jalen Well it’s like this for any kind of competition really. Participants involved don’t always perform consistently and that’s just being human. If anything I’m throwing shade at Leo not Marss (though I’m not). I mean, good on Marss for reading so well into Leo’s mistakes. Seems like you understood my comment the wrong way and are reading too much into it. I did say that was the best set I’ve ever seen in Ultimate that can’t really be a backhand compliment.
Or with joker you can dash under fair because when joker dashes he lowers his max hight to 1 meter/ block high. You can test this in training.
You're a champ Armada
This kind of review from such a good player as you is honestly the best Ultimate content on this website, I love them. Keep it up !
at 22:20 I also think a big part of why Marss took a trade was to stop Arsene from coming out.
Sad that this is one of the only videos giving mars his props... like c’mon man just won G7!!!
"muh it was a close set guys wdym marss was in leos head"
> 30:40
Interesting commentary thanks
Do you think optimal stage control is only center stage for all characters or is it character dependent? Like is Wii Fit at ledge (at least in smash 4) or Ultimate Falco's jumps circleling around tri plats to convert into advantage against a center stage opponent considered more optimal stage control for those 2 characters or no?
A mix of both. Can be character dependent, for most characters you will want to be center stage but characters like zoners do like to setup at the edge of the stage. But it can also be mu dependent like let's say greninja vs lucina. The lucina will want to get center stage but the greninja doesn't want to approach the lucina due to her aerials so the greninja player decides to shuriken camp at the edge to force an approach from the lucina. Having good stage control can mean different things for different charactera and stages.
@@rafikirana2468 okay that actually answers my question perfectly. Thank you! I main Yoshi and play rushdown/bait and punish against MUs that have disjoints or superior frame data. Would you say center stage control is generally the most optimal for my Yoshi play?
@@colinhay1666 For bait and punish center stage is always good to have since the opponent has to approach you. I'm a greninja main so I don't know too much about what a yohsi wants but if you head over to the yoshi discord they will have tons of people who would be happy to help you out.
@@rafikirana2468 Thanks so much man. Last question I swear haha.. does Greninja have any bread and butter combos or are they all strictly character/percent specific? Cause I love how Greninja feels but if he's as hard to learn as like Peach I might not want to invest the time u know?
@@colinhay1666 greninja is character you would put time into and isn't a character you can pick up and do well with. I wouldn't say he is as hard as peach but diffently not a free character. Some bread and butter moves for him would be DA > BAIR and one kill confirm would be Dtilt > Usmash. Those are some of the simple ones but also common moves many greninja players use. Greninja is a solo viable character with maybe 1 or 2 bad mu's that can take you far as long as you put time into him. If you ever wanted to start learning the character I would visit the greninja discord FAQ then start asking questions. I'm often on the server so it wouldn't be uncommon to spot me online.
Could you review Tea vs MKLeo (Frostbite 2020)?
Waited for this so long!!!
I am way too bad to recognize these things but I love your analysis. I tried to analyse it myself but noticed no sequences at all :(.
My goal is to beat the Swiss champion in the Swiss scene: myi Destany
Watched this match a few times and never noticed how many little things went Marss' way, especially that air-dodge right at the end, can't believe he survived that. MKLeo looked like he was a little cautious and maybe felt a bit nervous, and when these little things went Marss' way the games just slipped out of his fingers.
EDIT: Marss taunts twice: once in game 2 after the double KO, and he hits rapid jab after the first stocks in game 3. This might have been to help put pressure on MKLeo, as people can often feel they have to kick your ass after you taunt at them. Maybe next time Marss will just teabag lol.
Thank Godness,Someone finally took down his Winning Strike
Samsora did it, Nairo did it, and Marss did it back at Smash Factor, he didn’t really have a streak
@@Luxgenic he did save the back to back to back Genesis winstreak what are you talking about
Be happy Marss won not that Leo lost not his fault he's better than everyone else
Metroid I wasn’t referring to only the Genesis series, but if I were then you would be right
@@Luxgenic he didn't have a long streak but he has only lost like 3 tourneys since goml of last year which is insane. A streak of dominance with an occasional 2nd place
oh no
he placed second
wow
what an upset that sure was
maybe Marss will now get picked up and also be put on the pgr
sure would be crazy
PSI
NaCl
@@ThePiddlePopper I don't...i.. What?
PSI 🧂
@@nathanmount3232 it's a box with an x in it?
PSI ❎
I know I'm stupid but can someone tell me what 4Peat means? Does that have something to do with MkLeo's tendency to win matches in game-4?
@@LenTexas got it, thanks.
Impossible
Leo Playing godlike... get Cheesed like 2 times in each match. feelsbadman.
Yeah ZSS is is such a cheese ass character. Boring af to watch.
Bro if you don’t see how Marss also played like a goddamn fiend I don’t think you appreciate the game
Only got cheesed the first game
What does 4peat mean? On Vacation or something like that?
Repeat X 4 for winning tournaments. Leo won 3 in a row. So that would be a 3peat.
They gave Samus Aran heels. sure... the space headhunter got Higheels.
Uh, yeah. You new here or something?
nope, mentioned the gaynes of this feature late. but u like those heels so gud4u
Marss, like plup with G5 wont win another major
Help me out guys. this is for everyone that MOSTLY plays online torney mode
i LOVE this game mode is my go to,
the stages are random selected just like in quickplay BUT in online tourney
the DLC stages DONT APPEAR and i have the fighters pass, i dont like that the players that decide to play this amazing mode cant enjoy the full content they paid for. help me by letting this be known so nintendo can take action
MAKE DLC STAGES APPEAR IN ONLINE TOURNEY MODE PLEASE!!!!!!