Statues aren’t how we remember history, it’s how we glorify it, that’s what books are for...I’m a first generation Italian immigrant and even tho I understand the hardships we faced in the past I still don’t think we should have statues of Columbus
@@widowmakergarage I would suggest looking into the most recent studies into the individual. A lot of inconsistencies were made into facts but now that they are looking deeper they find he was most likely from Portugal.
@The Patriot That doesn't change his history of infidelity, drinking and watching people commit sex crimes. And his party affiliation remains unconfirmed.
@The Patriot I've read what you call rumors and view them as truths. And say what you will about Christian Conservatives not having a party affiliation but it's clear to me that you were linking him politically.
@drcb 18 That's actually quite the silly question. Why is it that someone must witness something to validate it? Your interpretation of words of wisdom may differ from mine and therefore the value of those words may have no meaning to me whatsoever. So, if they have no value or I don't appreciate who shared them, Am I not free to feel offended and offend in return? For the record, I stand by my comments and I don't give a hoot what you think. How that be?
If Italians need an role model, how about Super Mario? He’s not only Italian and an explorer, he’s an Olympic athlete, an astronaut, an environmental activist, a world class doctor, and a war hero. And at least when Mario finds a new world and kills everything living there, he actually finds some gold.
He did not discover America! Not only were there Natives already here, but other cultures had made contact and knew of America already! Columbus was just held up because his genocide of the Native people made conquering (NOT SETTLING) America way easier.
Okay, full stop here. The Vikings did reach the Americas before him, but that knowledge didn't spread. There are hypotheses that some Chinese fleet may have reached it but that's most likely just a myth. So in terms of main stream knowledge in the old world he did discover it. Also, he died in 1506, was only a few times in the New World (mostly the Carribbean) and never found out it wasn't actually India, acting like he personally genocided two huge continents is not just a little bit hyperbolic.
I'm not defending Columbus, but if it wasn't him it would've been someone else. Due to the lack of pack animals the western hemisphere would never develop the correct technology to travel east. So it would've happened by the hand of some other European eventually.
Eddie Van Trump shut up with your we found it so it’s ours now!! It’s laughable you think the murdering of indigenous people is in any way the same as people CHOOSING to come across the ocean to start a life away from England’s rule. This land was 100% lived on long before your ancestors came across the pond!! And if you want to celebrate Christopher Columbus may I suggest you move to the Bahamas cause he didn’t land here EVER!!! So he shouldn’t be celebrated for nothing!!!! Damn it’s your kind of thinking that created the participation trophy era we live in now learn your history cause your version is wrong!
Museums and books are where you should remember history, statues are just there to honor things. An overwhelming majority of people know about the bubonic plague, something that happened in the 1300s, and we don't have statues depicting fleas and rats. Well, most people don't anyway.
There are images of crosses and other religious symbols, and they have killed a lot of people too a lot of native americans made to convert or die, shouldn't we tear down those too?.
Who killed, displaced and stole the lands of the Native Americans? Who thanked the thanksgiving turkey finishing them later? Columbus or the leaders of your country?
@@Rhythmicons There is the tradition of presidential libraries. Trump will eventually have one of those - something I find ironic since he's supposedly illiterate.
@@felinecontrolled A library like that would just be a temple to him anyway; he doesn't have to actually own books. They are more about archives than his own personal collection.
@@Rhythmicons It would be just a huge hall full of big TV screens playing his TV apperances and big speeches (with all the embarrasing mistakes and blatent lies fixed in post) - all at the same time
@@nitramreniar This is the covfefe room where we have a replica of the toilet upon which trump communicated to his followers via twitter, a now defunct social media platform.
Yes, He was looking for India for their spices and jewels and the fact he got lost and invaded and started calling indigenous people Indian is the proof of his intentions.
You are obviously not an Italian American. We don't celebrate Columbus for his killings. We celebrate him for connecting the New World to the Old World and as a symbol of Italian American achievements. You can't change this symbol because he is associated deeply with our festivals, traditions, celebrations, etc. Non lo sai niente sul soggetto, cosi, stai zitto.
... half of a continent? I doubt that South & North America make up half of the land area on the planet, much less half of the plane.t But yep, good point. Columbus just got the better PR. Though frankly: I'd be perfectly fine with the statues staying around, as long as a monument to the natives who got killed was right next to it, and a few vandalism-resistant educational texts.
Kiero Kiero You can’t celebrate columbus without celebrating genocide. That’s like saying hitler is a deep part of germanic history. It’s another cop out and way to show how little thought is being put into celebrating Italian heritage.
@@christelheadington1136 It would be a discovery for me if I didnt know about canada before! But unlike the Europeans back then, I learned about a place called canada before xD
Guys why is there a holiday for a guy who killed natives but Juneteenth isn’t a federal holiday (like that’s when when slavery was ebolished like what) Oh my god thank you for all the likes
@Jan Brady I don't think Romans though of themselves as Italians. That probably started in the middle ages. Italy (like Germany) was very divided into many different "States" (for the lack of a better word I have to call them like that).
I remembered romans calling everyone outside of rome as barbarians and called themselves as latin not italian. The south are either greek culture or phelopenisians. The sardinians have their own culture too although they kick start the unification of italy.
thats true, even modern italians are pretty diversed like north italians are hating on south italians calling them lazy and useless because they have many cultural and linguistic differences and you can imagine calling Colombus italian in 15th century which did not even exist. Im pretty sure most of America speaks Spanish because they conquered and ruled them not italians lol, they are just trying hard to make themselves look at the centre of history while they were just bunch of poor people emigrated in early 20th century.
Oh yes I can. It's the bloody age of the internet, I can look up everything online. And if the only noteworthy Italian they can think of is Christopher Columbus, then they are the very worst kind of patriots: the sort that gets their image of what Bella Italia, the Shining City On The Hill (TM), Mother Russia or das Vaterland are like from block buster movies and statues.
Columbus didn't discover America. There were natives already here. That would be like walking into a stranger's house and saying you discovered a new house.
@Nano-Tortured African Nah but he was the first European as far as we know. I read somewhere that the Arabs were the first to MAP the Americas, but idk how true that is.
@oldman rivers Yup. Modern day Native Americans are more closely related with eastern Asians, only because of the way humans used to migrate thousands of years ago.
@@LadyPinkster I do think it’s kinda sad how we are left out like there’s Hispanic month, African American month and pride month, i mean idk I would definitely be fine with just indigenous day!
To people who are Italian or of Italian heritage, here are a few important facts to know: 1. Italy did not exist as a country until 1861. Prior to that, the Italian peninsula was a series of separate countries: Kingdom of Sicily, Lombardy, Republic of Venice, Parma, Tuscany, Sardinia, etc. 2. Christopher Columbus was born in the Republic of Genoa. Keep in mind that many of the Italian-speaking states (Florentine Republic, Venetian Republic, and so on) were often at war with one another. 3. When Columbus sailed to the New World, he was flying the Spanish flag. His journey had been commissioned by the king and queen of Spain. Thus, if anything, his actions (good or bad) are Spain's responsibility and jurisdiction. In any case, protesting Columbus has nothing to do with his heritage but with the fact that he tortured and murdered many Natives.
Thank you! I especially love that he was exploring for the Spanish Crown. Awesome, I didn't even know that bit (though, I have a dim memory of some Queen Isabella financing the trip?) That makes these "glass of mayonaise with a flag tatoo" patriots even more dreadfully hillarious. "They destroyed the statue of a citizen of Genua who was doing exploring for Spain while having an italian name! This is _my_ personal 9/11 ! That means you have to take me serious now!"
@Xander956 Thank you! that is an accurate, and very informative answer, espcially for people who dont have a freaking clue of History. Thank you again. I also find it sooo weird to protest Columbus'day in account of his heritage, since most protests have to do with his actions, as you say. Actually, Im currently living in Barcelona, Spain, and the 12th of October, which here was always called "Día de la Hispanidad", as a celebration of all the Hispanic Nations that spoke Spanish, but was implemented during Franco's Dictatorship, which of course would celebrate a genocide. These last years, more and more spaniards are going out with signs and buttons/t-shirts that say "Nada que celebrar" when the the 12th October comes, as a way of saying, "we are not going to continue to celebrate a genocide year after year" (bc its a national holiday, and there's also a trend where more and more businesses and cafes are opening this day in opposition to the meaning of the holiday) So that's a step forward in the good direction, as far as Im concerned.
@@Julia-lk8jn Yes, Columbus was financed by the Queen Isabel I of Castille, also Known as Isabel La Católica. She was a very strong woman, and she financed Columbus, even though ahe was critized by others and even scientists of the court. But in Spain it was said "Monta Tanto Isabel como Fernando", which meant, the power of Isabel is a strong as her Feranando, her husband, they were known as the Reyes Católicos, the Catholic Kings.
Is Christopher Columbus REALLY that an big a deal to celebrate? I'm not Italian but Aren't there better examples of italians who can be celebrated? Was Sergio Leonne one? Ennio Morricone? Leonardo Da Vinci? Some of the first responders that were lost in 9/11? Heck why not James Gandolfini? Or Sebastian Maniscalco!?!
@@michaelshigetani433 Actually, Leonardo da Vinci did more in benefit of humanity than columbus. He inspired engineering, architecture and even made the first robot, and that's just without mentioning the art he created
@Too Much Drama In The Milky Way Galaxy Again, what do you recommend? So both Dems and Reps make politics for the uber-wealthy? That's not really a surprise.
@Too Much Drama In The Milky Way Galaxy Really, that's the "best" chance? Think again please... In the US, this would basically come down to voting for a third party, which is virtually identical to not vote at all. And if the best we can do is to not participate in the democratic process by virtue of voting for someone who will never be able to do anything - while also reducing the complex reality of politics to a single issue - we are fking screwed hard.
I’m an Italian American, my grandfather cam over from Sicily. But still, Columbus and his men brought sicknesses to the Americas that the natives couldn’t fight
@@donnmckee4973 He was born in Genoa, and his parents were Italian so.... But this post represents the half truths and misinterpretation of what people did in the past.
In the days before available knowledge was widely disseminated, major discoveries could be independently made by multiple people. Sure, people were already there, and there were other European cultures that had previously discovered America, but nevertheless early trans-Atlantic voyages like Columbus' brought that knowledge to people who didn't have it. It's like if we went to Mars and discovered life. Obviously the Martians in this scenario already knew they were there so did we really discover anything? Yes.
the information of the existence what is now the American continents was not known in the old world (europe) at that time, so yes, you can discover a continent filled with people if no-one knew there was a continent with people. you can eat something you have never eaten before and discover you don't like it or love it or don't care much about it, even though hundreds if not more people have already tried that flavor.
you are right that "Colombus discovered America" is not a universal statement. it's only true for europeans (and outsiders of the american continent/s). That's the only problem with that sentence: holding it as a sacred universal. Other than that, it's true.
No it's not the same. Columbus and Hitler historically had nothing to with each other. They didn't even live in the same century. At least Columbus did something good for humanity. He was the reason europeans came to this continent. If it wasn't for Columbus there wouldn't be a USA or a Canada or any other modern country on this continent.
He just got lost. He wasn’t supposed to be here in the first place. Someone on the Santa Maria just yelled “Land Ho!” For his crew To park their boats. Yet our books say “ he discovered it” and don’t go further to the real story. 🤦sad...
He wasn’t lost the map he followed got him to cuba and he thought he was india cause uhm yeah he’s supposed to know he’s in new land and he discovered America for the eu so for spain italy and more not like he discovered it before anyone
opponent 116 Yes, the whole point was to try to find India for the spice trade between Europe and India, then slowly work through Asia. He was looking for Land new to Europeans. His map and weather had sent him off course however, and he ended up spending much longer at sea, needing to find land, finally ending and resulting arriving in Cuba, then moved East to America, in New England ( hence the name ) a land mass so large they THOUGHT it was India. Also implying the incorrect term still used for native Americans. But what he did when he got there, then sailing guiding mor people there is never talked about.
Fun fact: Vikings discovered the land known as America 300 years before columbus (accidentally) did. Vikings on the other witness indigenous people (Natives) living on it and chose to let it be while columbus caused genocide to achieve it from the natives.
@Jan Brady You don't discover anything. You merely decrease your ignorance and understand more. Gravity has always existed before it was "discovered" - humans merely have placed intellectual thought to understand it better. Humanity's hubris is acting like they "discovered" anything and now it is brought into existence. All has always been, you've just been ignorant to its existence.
I keep on forgetting that he didn't discover the places he "discovered" since they had natives already there. That's what he did for Jamaica and the Tainos. He said "I've discovered this foreign land" and these people are out here like "Get in line bub we owned it first"
No the idea he crossed the Atlantic Ocean, then found a new world to pave the way for others to follow. Remember the Earth was still considered flat rather than a round sphere.
@@Calmdowndude the flat earth thing is not completely true, people already knew the earth was round only there was still a debate on the size of the planet, I think Columbus thought that the earth was smaller then what it really turned out to be.
Then white old men came and said this is our laws, you're going to obey them now even though they put you in an extremely disadvantageous position. Natives: "Yo bruv we don't care not your laws, we been here before y'all so how 'bout you go away?" White men: "Yo but like we got guns, using technology that was discovered by Chinese some thousands years ago, so we gonna steal this land for you. Especially since our Lord ANd Savior Jesus Christ taught us to be merciful and peaceful, so how about we just kill a few of you to teach you respect?" Like seriously I'm a white European woman but the history of colonialism and slavery is so f@#*ed up. No wonder Europe dominated most of the world, with their no morals matter, whoever doesn't come from our corner of the world does not really count as human kind of attitude.
@@DarkDutch007 i always imagine the natives one day after contact with the outsiders talking to each other - guys , we need to do something about these immigrants , they're getting cray cray .
Good lord, this, THIS is why statues don't do shit for history. If they read an actual history book, there would not be a statue of Columbus but of someone else
tbh i think the only statue of him they should keep is the beheaded one and update the plaque with info on; this is who he was, this is what he did, this is how he was over glorified, and now we celebrate indigenous people's day like we should have all along
I heard something like Columbus never reached any part the modern day US. He reached the Caribbean, South America and Central America but never the land of the US
That's true. The genocide of north american natives is all yours, english, and german colonists. And it was a real genocide, not like in the spanish america where the native americans are still thriving.
@@CarlosLopez58 that's one thing I find very interesting about the rest of America when you exclude Canada and the US, is how well native Americans are mixed in. I watched a history video about the US expansion west and one of the reasons Texas was taken from Mexico is that is was sparsely population enough that they didn't have to mix with any non white people. The person also said that the US was powerful enough to take over Mexico but they didn't and only took land that was mostly empty so they force or kill natives out and didn't have to worry about there being non whites living among them. They were so blatantly racist it's crazy to think about that time.
@@CarlosLopez58 You do know that black slaves were brought into the caribbean because they ran out of native slaves, right? You ever heard of the Cerro de Potosi? Ever heard what the white plantation owners in Mexico did with their native/poor white mixed peasants?
The reason I wrote my comment is because I think it's kinda ironic how in the US Columbus is such a huge icon and he has a national holiday but never reached US land + all the controversies around Columbus. It's mostly the Italian immigrants that pushed Columbus day and stuff about him so they could be excepted as Americans.
@@Nala15-Artist There are 25 million native americans in Mexico, and only 3 million in USA. That tells it all about genocides and which people made them.
Very thoughtful of you to include the specific significance of Columbus to Italian Americans, and mention the oppression they once faced. I think/hope that kind of thoughtfulness can help others to be less defensive and start to accept the full, complex history, to disavow the evil of the last and strive to help our country evolve and do better. As someone who is 75% Italian and proud of my heritage, I have long celebrated “Columbus Day” by learning a bit more about, and reflecting on, the atrocities of colonialism and the hypocrisy of securing our own freedom and prosperity by, in part, denying it to indigenous people, Africans and others. I am overjoyed that more and more people are celebrating “Indigenous People Day.” I hope it is a sign, even a small one, that humans can evolve to act less out of fear and selfishness, see that we are all brothers and sisters, and find ways to live together and help each other.
I am so proud of Colorado for changing Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples Day. Just read Columbus' first words on landing in the "new world." He found the indigenous people friendly and gracious and prime slave materials who could be easily conquered. Enough said.
October is Italian Heritage month so it would be very cool if we could make it Italian Heritage Day instead of Columbus Day. Or Indigenous People's Day like South Dakota. We're not erasing history; we're just reexamining how we celebrate it, and a lot of people are more deserving of being celebrated than Columbus.
Yes he was a joke. Is this some pathetic attempt to spin another European into position for something he nor anyone else can claim? How in your Thick skull can you find a logic that something can be discovered when someone else was there before them. Oh I guess your propping up European racial thinking here. Because it’s a white man than it’s significant. Native Americans are not to be considered significant.
America is a place where : " People that were never slaves are asking other people that were never slave owners- an apology!!". Thank God your far away on that isolated island.
@@KeysOfMysterium mate we all are slaves in that sense. I wake up early in the morning -->go to work and have to overcome a lot of things in order to get payed, so I can pay my rent and buy food . That's all against my will surely. Otherwise I would prefer JUST to get payed without " going to work " part. Slaves of the system, wear all f☆○●♤♡◇ed.
Colombus is responsible for the death of the taínos in Quisqueya, he also stole the gold in our land in exchange of mirrors and gave it to SPAIN...How can that be anyone's heritage celebration?
@Lavern n You're right. Just one thing, if someone murdered you. Would you want a holiday that people take off of work and school to celebrate that person that killed you?
I really don’t understand the obsession with Columbus in the USA, do they even know Columbus never set foot in the United States. He discovered America the continent, not the USA
Hey Trevor, don't know if you ever check these comments but if you do please consider bringing Coleman Hughes on your show. He is an excellent, well spoken black intellectual much like yourself. You may find that are many things you two disagree on. But a conversation with him would go a long way in bridging the racial divide facing the country right now
@@blurzzmelo9547 realistically the time doesn't matter because we have horrible people nowadays right? It's true. What's wrong is when people hold up someone on something like a pedestal when their past is very tainted. An extreme example would be someone looking up to the ideology and or acts/deeds that someone like Putin, hitler etc did. The idea of accepting a person that's done some pretty atrocious things is what's wrong.
Love the intro!! I thought this when I was learning about him in middle school! Third grade was the child version. Not thinking/learning about the destruction he caused. African Americans been here way longer and we still gotta fight for everything! We gotta continue to advocate for ourselves!!!
@Giovanahc Aside from the fact, Columbus was working for the Kingdom of Spain, that's why when they "colonized" (and yes, committed genocide) centre and south America, the language that was left was Spanish, except for the area which is now the country of Brazil, which was colonized by the Portuguese Kingdom, so they speak Poruguese. Now, I have always found it funny, as a European myself, how the US has such ans obsession with Columbus, but forgets how All THE EUROPEANS had their influence in the North American Genocide. BC the settlers that conquered the west, had to SLAUGHTER thousands of Native Americans that were already there AFTER Comubus had already passed, and it is well known that EVERY TREATY that the US Government signed with the First Nations was broken by the US Government, basically, English, and other European settlers. THAT FACT IS WRITTEN IN HISTORY BOOKS. So, what's this obsession with Columbus, when every European was colonizing, commiting genocide and keeping other humans enslaved. ALSO in the other end of the world, in Africa, hey were doing the exact same thing, that was like the way to get rich then. Now its a bit subtler, but the people who are evil are still evil. Evil roams this world, not the afterworld or "some heaven or hell" BS. There is Evil and Good in the world in the present and people who decide to go one way or another. It has always been this way.
LMFAO At the Italians pissed from the degrading of Christopher Columbus statues. Why can't they just "Forget about it?" Just forget about it. You saw nothing!
@Jacob Wright No I didn't. I am a caregiver for special needs adults. I don't get Holidays off unless I put in for it in advanced. IMO Columbus day is not a holiday. I went to work.
@Jacob Wright just because someone wants the day off doesn’t mean they have to support it. There are a ton of people who deserve a holiday more than Christopher, Just because you care more about “a day off” then morals doesn’t mean other people do. Btw her job is actually very important and I’m sure her boss doesn’t have to force her to go as she’s an actual good person. Unlike someone...
Columbus is the reason Europeans including the British started coming to this continent. If there had been no Columbus there wouldn't have been a Mayflower or Pilgrims.
I´m so sorry for the US right now... Often I enjoy watching Trevor´s program despite my diferences. But today is too much. During Columbus times, there was not questioning about if conquering was right or not. Everybody was doing it, also the native americans, all of them. Judging Columbus simbol by "modern standards" while honouring all the "US founding fathers", wich were the ones that really screwed the native americans on a time when there was already a debate against those kind of practics... This is the simbol of how blind and doomed this society is. Read History!!. The spanish empire didn´t have a extermination and expulsion policy, the US did and still does. Was the territory empty at that time? Why don't you remember that those who gave you thanksgiving turkeys were later killed in gratitude? Doesn´t it matter how many countries your are openly, or secretly, bombing right now? What happens? BLM only if their are americans? What about the rest of the world? What kind of hypocrisy allows you to hold such a killing machine and still sustain this speech? If you do not like Columbus do not celebrate, I don´t give a sh+t. But stop bombing elsewhere. If you do ot like the spoiling of native americans way of life, leave that country and go back where your granparents were from. If you don´t like the statues that "conmemorate the lack of freedoms" start in Egypt, you have a bunch of statues to destroy up there. And if you want to have your open eyes, observe how all the media in your country, all of them, is drifting your society towards a civil confrontation while speaking about unsustancial things and do your best to stop that tares. Becouse if you don´t, the civil war is served. And do not wonder later on why no body is willing to rescue you.
Why stop there!!? Why not stop judging Stalin with modern standard? How about Hitler? Maybe even Osama Bin Laden. National Osama Bin Laden day is around the corner i can feel it. See what i mean?
@@LionKing-mv2uk Maybe you're not good with dates, but all the characters you name are from the modern era. It was where there were already the kind of ethical considerations that underlie this debate. Like all US founders. And speaking of recent acts? What is the name of the country that has invaded the most countries in the last hundred years? And what is the name of the terrorist group that dropped two atomic bombs in cities?
Amerigo Vespucci : *exists* Some Italian-Americans : "That guy who didn't really discover America, who is known to be one of history's biggest assholes and who was barely Italian is such an Italian hero !"
That one guy has got to be the most simple minded person I’ve heard all year. They can’t be serious! Because you learned in the 3rd grade that Columbus discovered America? Let me guess.. you know Santa is real because you were in the 3rd grade when you sat on his lap at the mall 🙄🙄🙄
@@coinvestnet lol Nah. SARS is a unit in the Nigerian Police Force. #EndSARS is a movement to get them disbanded as they have been harassing and killing our youths for far too long under the guise of doing their jobs
We talk about this every collumbus day and the reaction gets a little more extreme every year, and growing up with that slow shift is an interesting shift
*Fun fact:* In February of 1504, a desperate Columbus was stranded in Jamaica, abandoned by half his crew, and denied food by the islanders. BUT Columbus knew that a lunar eclipse was going to occur on Feb 29 according to his almanac. So, he told the Jamaicans that his god was upset with them for their refusal of food and that the moon would “rise inflamed with wrath” as an expression of divine displeasure. Then, when the eclipse darkened the moon and turned it red as predicted, the terrified islanders offered provisions and beseeched Columbus to ask his god for mercy. This is how people who have relied on facts and science have managed to fool those who preferred to put their money on superstition.
Columbus became the first European in recorded history to successfully conquer a small part of the Americas and then establish a trade route for the transportation of slaves and goods. In other words, he monetized it. As he boasted to the Spanish royal finance minister, upon completion of his first voyage:
Thank you for this Trevor. It appeals to both sides of the argument. I really appreciate this video a lot. Being a descendant from italian immigrants, this was a great lesson on this topic. Again, thank you SO much. ✌️♥️
He was looking for India for their spices and jewels and the fact he got lost and invaded and started calling indigenous people Indian is the proof of his intentions.
Aight as an Italian-American I wanna DISOWN that guy, he committed horrible atrocities. We deserve better as a "role model" ok. Celebrate my culture *without* the horrible genocidal murderer and replace columbus day with indigenous people's day, because Lord knows they need and deserve it more than Columbus does.
1. Americans give way too much meaning to statues. 2. Those Italian Americans sound like their people are the only ones who suffered through history. Every nationality on earth had suffering and injustice happening to them at some point in time. That's history. I mean, ask the Polish, they will definitely tell you all about their centuries of bad luck 😆
@Lavern n Point is that they're still suffering. They want change to the current police/justice system, they're not talking about discrimination centuries ago.
Can we please change the holiday from Columbus Day to Italian American heritage day? Can we solve any problems without being stupid?Address the issue people.
Dear @TrevorNoah, I really like you, respect you and I enjoy most of the videos & content that you create, however this time I totally disagree with your opinion especially the way you present the facts from the vision of a man of the XXI century. You should not judge the history of several centuries ago and compare it with the current context. Things are not black or white, most of the historians consulted flatly deny that Cristoforo Colombo can be branded as genocidal. "It is a figure that had not even been answered thanks to its achievements in navigation, for colonizing a new space and because it meant globalization, please see Neil deGrasse Tyson opinion: th-cam.com/video/H9CG07CzBTg/w-d-xo.html With respect, I believe you should speak with a greater knowledge of the subject and after having consulted several sources. First of all I would like to say that terrible things were done in that period of time as they were done in other times. The Romans did terrible things, but also great things, just like the Greeks. I cannot imagine in Greece or Macedonia destroying a sculpture of Alexander the Great (a national hero who conquered vast territories) or destroying a Ghengis Khan sculpture in Mongolia or destroying a Cesar sculpture in Italy. On the other hand, comparing the English and Spanish colonization’s, there is a huge difference between the two and it is fully documented while the British did not want to mix they carried out an authentic extermination of the aborigines in Australia or the Indians in North America, the Spanish (who also did terrible things) also created protection laws (The laws of Burgos or Ordinances for the treatment of the Indians were the first laws that the Hispanic Monarchy dictated for its application in the Indies, the New World or America in which it abolished indigenous slavery and organized its conquest, which were signed by the Catholic King Ferdinand II, December 27, 1512) & In 1503, the Catholic Monarchs encouraged mixed marriages. Also first universities were created with the Spanish The oldest universities in Latin America: 1586 San Fulgencio (Ecuador) 1624 Universidad Mayor Real y Pontificia San Francisco Xavier de Chuquisaca (Bolivia) 1647 Royal University of San Felipe (predecessor of the University of Chile created in 1843) 1692 National University of San Antonio Abad del Cusco (Peru) Regarding the million of deaths in America diseases killed 95% of the population .The inhabitants of America had remained isolated from the rest of the world and paid a heavy price for the biological shock. When diseases brought from Europe, which had evolved over thousands of years of Humanity, came into contact with the New World, they caused thousands of deaths in the face of the biological fragility of its inhabitants. A simple nasal catarrh was fatal for many Indians. Next time please don't be so simple and don't base your sources on 2 videos from VOX.com only. Thanks and Regards,
Hi Alberto, really good comment thanks for it. It is amazing how British and Americans rewrite history in their own way without any historical base. Hate and envy of the English for the Spanish dates back to 1741 when the great Blas de Lezo defeated and humiliated the English in the battle of Cartagena. Fv** the queen!!
Omg,. This new generation is so sensitive...no one cares about columbus day before, now we have to erase it because offended black people...please give me a break...what's next?
The first lesson you should learn about history - if someone who commits crimes like treason, genocide, etc. has a monument built for them (or to them) the ONLY appropriate place for it is in a museum, surrounded by accurate information about why the monument was built. Other than that, it should be destroyed. Replacement of something else is optional.
Vincent Giasullo Yes, he was. The propaganda got to your mind, unfortunately. While the natives were already there, none of the people in the east knew about the continent. It was the Europeans that helped transform America to what it is today. Natives didn’t have the kind of technology that the Europeans did.
Christopher Columbus gets a bad rap He spent most of his life ruling a Caribbean island .... And was double Cross by the Spanish for running off and becoming king of and island lol ... he’s basically known for bringing Christianity to the Caribbean islands and living in peace until his Capture .... he just didn’t deserve a statue that’s all Lol there’s movies and books about it 👌🏿
As an indigenous person, who lived in Italy for 6 years, there is nothing but love for them. But i also know the history of their plight in America and the plight of my own people that is still on going. As always the indigenous are persecuted. Why still now? When the Italian people have so many people to choose from.
Statues aren’t how we remember history, it’s how we glorify it, that’s what books are for...I’m a first generation Italian immigrant and even tho I understand the hardships we faced in the past I still don’t think we should have statues of Columbus
Well put
Ya- that's what museums are for too
Agreed and Columbus was not even Italian. He was Portuguese
Donn Mckee no he was Italian, barely spoke any Spanish
@@widowmakergarage I would suggest looking into the most recent studies into the individual. A lot of inconsistencies were made into facts but now that they are looking deeper they find he was most likely from Portugal.
Google calendar now says "Indigenous Peoples' Day" alongside "Columbus day."
it's a short step, we'll get there eventually. Even though Columbus never did, never stepping foot into the United States.
@V J something like that
Celebrate Indigenous People Day.
Leif Erikson discovered America for the whites duh
Yep! Go google!
"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
MLK cheated on his wife dozens of times and stood by as a friend raped a woman.
There's YOUR ignorance and stupidity.
@The Patriot That doesn't change his history of infidelity, drinking and watching people commit sex crimes.
And his party affiliation remains unconfirmed.
@The Patriot I've read what you call rumors and view them as truths. And say what you will about Christian Conservatives not having a party affiliation but it's clear to me that you were linking him politically.
If ever there was a contemporary quote that fit these dire times------this one by MLK has to be right up there in the top three.
@drcb 18 That's actually quite the silly question. Why is it that someone must witness something to validate it?
Your interpretation of words of wisdom may differ from mine and therefore the value of those words may have no meaning to me whatsoever. So, if they have no value or I don't appreciate who shared them, Am I not free to feel offended and offend in return?
For the record, I stand by my comments and I don't give a hoot what you think. How that be?
"...we should learn from our past, not erase it."
Tulsa 1921 Massacre: "Yeaaaaah about that..."
@ME Rivera
It obviously wasn't erased.
Boom!
Did that to scare off the crickets : )
2020 BLM riots and looting of stores. Don’t forget that too.
March 14 1891 yea about that
@@Samuel-oh3hm oh lord 🤦🏽♀️
If Italians need an role model, how about Super Mario? He’s not only Italian and an explorer, he’s an Olympic athlete, an astronaut, an environmental activist, a world class doctor, and a war hero. And at least when Mario finds a new world and kills everything living there, he actually finds some gold.
This will happen one day i swear maybe another 2020 year event
👌 #SuperMarioDay
Too funny. Honestly, Italian-Americans don’t need Christopher Columbus. They are better than him!
We don't need to use some old guy as a crutch to respect italian americans
Plus he was not even Italian. He was Portuguese
@@donnmckee4973 he was not born Portuguese.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus
@@Pyladin wikipedia is not a reliable source. Please look into the most recent studies.
@@donnmckee4973 link the studies. Also, the studies may not be reliable. The consensus between scholars are, as far as I know, still what wiki says.
Even fictional Italians, like the corleones in the godfather, are better role models than columbus
He did not discover America! Not only were there Natives already here, but other cultures had made contact and knew of America already! Columbus was just held up because his genocide of the Native people made conquering (NOT SETTLING) America way easier.
Okay, full stop here. The Vikings did reach the Americas before him, but that knowledge didn't spread. There are hypotheses that some Chinese fleet may have reached it but that's most likely just a myth. So in terms of main stream knowledge in the old world he did discover it.
Also, he died in 1506, was only a few times in the New World (mostly the Carribbean) and never found out it wasn't actually India, acting like he personally genocided two huge continents is not just a little bit hyperbolic.
Vikings
I'm not defending Columbus, but if it wasn't him it would've been someone else. Due to the lack of pack animals the western hemisphere would never develop the correct technology to travel east. So it would've happened by the hand of some other European eventually.
Eddie Van Trump shut up with your we found it so it’s ours now!! It’s laughable you think the murdering of indigenous people is in any way the same as people CHOOSING to come across the ocean to start a life away from England’s rule. This land was 100% lived on long before your ancestors came across the pond!! And if you want to celebrate Christopher Columbus may I suggest you move to the Bahamas cause he didn’t land here EVER!!! So he shouldn’t be celebrated for nothing!!!! Damn it’s your kind of thinking that created the participation trophy era we live in now learn your history cause your version is wrong!
Ethan Kim well he wanted them to convert tp Christian and follow Europes ways and killed the ones that rebelled witch is reasonable
Museums and books are where you should remember history, statues are just there to honor things. An overwhelming majority of people know about the bubonic plague, something that happened in the 1300s, and we don't have statues depicting fleas and rats. Well, most people don't anyway.
memoryvisualculture.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/hand1.jpg
How about that statue?
@@Nala15-Artist
"Well, most people don't anyway." :P
There are images of crosses and other religious symbols, and they have killed a lot of people too a lot of native americans made to convert or die, shouldn't we tear down those too?.
Ring around the rosie.
Pocket full of posies.
Ashes. Ashes. They all fall down.
Who killed, displaced and stole the lands of the Native Americans? Who thanked the thanksgiving turkey finishing them later? Columbus or the leaders of your country?
As a Native American I would definitely back a statue of Dr. Fauci.
Shit someone will probably name a hospital after trump.
@@Rhythmicons There is the tradition of presidential libraries. Trump will eventually have one of those - something I find ironic since he's supposedly illiterate.
@@felinecontrolled A library like that would just be a temple to him anyway; he doesn't have to actually own books. They are more about archives than his own personal collection.
@@Rhythmicons It would be just a huge hall full of big TV screens playing his TV apperances and big speeches (with all the embarrasing mistakes and blatent lies fixed in post) - all at the same time
@@nitramreniar This is the covfefe room where we have a replica of the toilet upon which trump communicated to his followers via twitter, a now defunct social media platform.
Colombus is the reason native american called "indian" -- when he arrived at the wrong "India".
Emilia Clarke's security didn't appreciate it when I climbed over her front gate and declared her my girlfriend, on a similar note.
And why the Caribbean is called the West Indies. He was so great at getting lost he started making fake maps at one point 😂
@@attemptedunkindness3632 😃😃😃😃😃😃 very relatable
Ikr lol 😂
Yes, He was looking for India for their spices and jewels and the fact he got lost and invaded and started calling indigenous people Indian is the proof of his intentions.
uh, Amerigo Vespucci? The Italian who actually pointed out this was NOT India? And they named this whole half of a planet after?
@@omar_homad ah do you remember vikings anyone
You are obviously not an Italian American. We don't celebrate Columbus for his killings. We celebrate him for connecting the New World to the Old World and as a symbol of Italian American achievements. You can't change this symbol because he is associated deeply with our festivals, traditions, celebrations, etc. Non lo sai niente sul soggetto, cosi, stai zitto.
... half of a continent? I doubt that South & North America make up half of the land area on the planet, much less half of the plane.t
But yep, good point. Columbus just got the better PR.
Though frankly: I'd be perfectly fine with the statues staying around, as long as a monument to the natives who got killed was right next to it, and a few vandalism-resistant educational texts.
Kiero Kiero You can’t celebrate columbus without celebrating genocide. That’s like saying hitler is a deep part of germanic history. It’s another cop out and way to show how little thought is being put into celebrating Italian heritage.
Thank you I been telling so many people that Amerigo more honorable then convict Chris “tHiS iS iNdIa”
Columbus did not discover America. It is impossible to "discover" a place where millions of people already lived.
Ok!
He discovered the continent by showing it to the western civilisation. For the Europeans it most definetly was a discovery.
@@TheMountainMain -I went in a tunnel in Detroit, and discovered Canada at the other end. You're welcome.
Europeans had already been there The Vikings were the first Europeans to get there, and before that there were native people.
@@christelheadington1136 It would be a discovery for me if I didnt know about canada before! But unlike the Europeans back then, I learned about a place called canada before xD
Guys why is there a holiday for a guy who killed natives but Juneteenth isn’t a federal holiday (like that’s when when slavery was ebolished like what)
Oh my god thank you for all the likes
Agree
You know why. 🙄
Because Natives don’t have the same political and social backing Black folks do.
@@Guytalayhne That does not make sense.
Because... ameriKKKa.
He was Genoese and his mother tongue was Ligurian. "Italy" didn't exist yet.
Not quiet true. The nation state of Italy didn't exist. But the concept of Italian as a culture has existed since the time of the Romans.
@@sryan9547 That's probably a bit of a reach.
@Jan Brady I don't think Romans though of themselves as Italians. That probably started in the middle ages. Italy (like Germany) was very divided into many different "States" (for the lack of a better word I have to call them like that).
I remembered romans calling everyone outside of rome as barbarians and called themselves as latin not italian. The south are either greek culture or phelopenisians. The sardinians have their own culture too although they kick start the unification of italy.
thats true, even modern italians are pretty diversed like north italians are hating on south italians calling them lazy and useless because they have many cultural and linguistic differences and you can imagine calling Colombus italian in 15th century which did not even exist. Im pretty sure most of America speaks Spanish because they conquered and ruled them not italians lol, they are just trying hard to make themselves look at the centre of history while they were just bunch of poor people emigrated in early 20th century.
Basically the education system has failed these people. Can’t blame them for their ignorance.
Oh yes I can. It's the bloody age of the internet, I can look up everything online.
And if the only noteworthy Italian they can think of is Christopher Columbus, then they are the very worst kind of patriots: the sort that gets their image of what Bella Italia, the Shining City On The Hill (TM), Mother Russia or das Vaterland are like from block buster movies and statues.
Well, they have Google...
Columbus discovered America just like someone discovered my car outside my apartment a couple of years ago...
I miss my car. 😭
😂😂😂
I'm sorry but the way you said that was funny
Well, try to look at the bright side: you didn't have to pay for a statue to that entrepid discoverer right in front of your apartment.
Good analogy 😂!
Lol 😂💀
You're a true gem. Thank you.
My personal thought on this kind of crap, "A museum is where you remember history, a statue is what you make to glorify it."
Agree 💯
Absolute truth
whoever disagrees is a small smooth brain
Exactly thank you!
Selvetarmiel exactly. You dont see any hitler ststues in austria or Germany either, and they remember him quite well...
Columbus didn't discover America. There were natives already here. That would be like walking into a stranger's house and saying you discovered a new house.
He wasn't even the first European to discover America, either. That title goes to Leif Erikson 500 years before Columbus.
Yeah and he was not even the first from Europe that would go to leif erikson.
Yeah supposedly the templars were on oak island in the 1200s too lol..
@Nano-Tortured African Nah but he was the first European as far as we know. I read somewhere that the Arabs were the first to MAP the Americas, but idk how true that is.
@oldman rivers Yup. Modern day Native Americans are more closely related with eastern Asians, only because of the way humans used to migrate thousands of years ago.
We need better role models for Italian Americans as well as better education.
As a Native American we don’t even have role models but what we have indigenous day and thanksgiving
@@bob-zk2cv do you believe we should improve on it. I believe we should have indigenous people month. What do you think?
@@LadyPinkster I do think it’s kinda sad how we are left out like there’s Hispanic month, African American month and pride month, i mean idk
I would definitely be fine with just indigenous day!
@@bob-zk2cv You don't have role models? There are no important Native leaders that inspire hope in all?
@@Rhythmicons well no
To people who are Italian or of Italian heritage, here are a few important facts to know:
1. Italy did not exist as a country until 1861. Prior to that, the Italian peninsula was a series of separate countries: Kingdom of Sicily, Lombardy, Republic of Venice, Parma, Tuscany, Sardinia, etc.
2. Christopher Columbus was born in the Republic of Genoa. Keep in mind that many of the Italian-speaking states (Florentine Republic, Venetian Republic, and so on) were often at war with one another.
3. When Columbus sailed to the New World, he was flying the Spanish flag. His journey had been commissioned by the king and queen of Spain. Thus, if anything, his actions (good or bad) are Spain's responsibility and jurisdiction.
In any case, protesting Columbus has nothing to do with his heritage but with the fact that he tortured and murdered many Natives.
Thank you! I especially love that he was exploring for the Spanish Crown. Awesome, I didn't even know that bit (though, I have a dim memory of some Queen Isabella financing the trip?)
That makes these "glass of mayonaise with a flag tatoo" patriots even more dreadfully hillarious. "They destroyed the statue of a citizen of Genua who was doing exploring for Spain while having an italian name! This is _my_ personal 9/11 ! That means you have to take me serious now!"
@Xander956 Thank you! that is an accurate, and very informative answer, espcially for people who dont have a freaking clue of History. Thank you again. I also find it sooo weird to protest Columbus'day in account of his heritage, since most protests have to do with his actions, as you say. Actually, Im currently living in Barcelona, Spain, and the 12th of October, which here was always called "Día de la Hispanidad", as a celebration of all the Hispanic Nations that spoke Spanish, but was implemented during Franco's Dictatorship, which of course would celebrate a genocide. These last years, more and more spaniards are going out with signs and buttons/t-shirts that say "Nada que celebrar" when the the 12th October comes, as a way of saying, "we are not going to continue to celebrate a genocide year after year" (bc its a national holiday, and there's also a trend where more and more businesses and cafes are opening this day in opposition to the meaning of the holiday) So that's a step forward in the good direction, as far as Im concerned.
@@Julia-lk8jn Yes, Columbus was financed by the Queen Isabel I of Castille, also Known as Isabel La Católica. She was a very strong woman, and she financed Columbus, even though ahe was critized by others and even scientists of the court. But in Spain it was said "Monta Tanto Isabel como Fernando", which meant, the power of Isabel is a strong as her Feranando, her husband, they were known as the Reyes Católicos, the Catholic Kings.
well now you're just going to confuse them with facts and reality . keep it up . salute
They ignore Amerigo Vespucci for Columbus ? People are proud of the actions of their racist ancestors and yet they want to claim they're not.
Fr it’s like one was honorable sailor one was shitty future convict who should rotten for life for his real crimes
Is Christopher Columbus REALLY that an big a deal to celebrate? I'm not Italian but Aren't there better examples of italians who can be celebrated? Was Sergio Leonne one? Ennio Morricone? Leonardo Da Vinci? Some of the first responders that were lost in 9/11? Heck why not James Gandolfini? Or Sebastian Maniscalco!?!
A few hundred Popes.
I would so be into a day for Leonardo Da Vinci. Celebrate it with legos; STEM, building
You could literally go anywhere and grab some random Italian dude and they would still be a better person to make into a statue than Columbus
Thing doesn't make sense anyways. He served the Spanish crown after all.
@@michaelshigetani433 Actually, Leonardo da Vinci did more in benefit of humanity than columbus. He inspired engineering, architecture and even made the first robot, and that's just without mentioning the art he created
"In a respectful sense," no way anything coming after that is respectful
Yeah, that sentence starter comes from the same box that "I'm not racist but..." came from.
Hilarious! I just responded to a comment like that 15 minutes ago.
@Too Much Drama In The Milky Way Galaxy And then Trump passed some major taxcuts. So what do you recommend?
@Too Much Drama In The Milky Way Galaxy Again, what do you recommend? So both Dems and Reps make politics for the uber-wealthy? That's not really a surprise.
@Too Much Drama In The Milky Way Galaxy Really, that's the "best" chance? Think again please... In the US, this would basically come down to voting for a third party, which is virtually identical to not vote at all.
And if the best we can do is to not participate in the democratic process by virtue of voting for someone who will never be able to do anything - while also reducing the complex reality of politics to a single issue - we are fking screwed hard.
Italians-Americans wouldn’t care about this at all if Columbus wasn’t Italian
Seriously, as an Italian-American, I'll be glad when we no longer look like we're proud of this instigator of genocide.
I’m an Italian American, my grandfather cam over from Sicily. But still, Columbus and his men brought sicknesses to the Americas that the natives couldn’t fight
Viva l'Italia 🇮🇹
Forza Italia 🇮🇹
Saul Contreras wait what does that mean, I don’t know that much Italian
Saul Contreras oh wait nvm
🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
He(Columbus) wasn't even Italian. He was Portuguese
@@donnmckee4973 He was born in Genoa, and his parents were Italian so.... But this post represents the half truths and misinterpretation of what people did in the past.
In the Bahamas history books it literally talks about how he slaved and killed off the natives lol
Same in haiti
Same in Puerto Rico
He was kicked out of Europe
wow america is ass backwards...
Same in Puerto Rico
You can't discover a continent, because there were already people.
In the days before available knowledge was widely disseminated, major discoveries could be independently made by multiple people. Sure, people were already there, and there were other European cultures that had previously discovered America, but nevertheless early trans-Atlantic voyages like Columbus' brought that knowledge to people who didn't have it.
It's like if we went to Mars and discovered life. Obviously the Martians in this scenario already knew they were there so did we really discover anything? Yes.
the information of the existence what is now the American continents was not known in the old world (europe) at that time, so yes, you can discover a continent filled with people if no-one knew there was a continent with people.
you can eat something you have never eaten before and discover you don't like it or love it or don't care much about it, even though hundreds if not more people have already tried that flavor.
you are right that "Colombus discovered America" is not a universal statement. it's only true for europeans (and outsiders of the american continent/s). That's the only problem with that sentence: holding it as a sacred universal. Other than that, it's true.
He discovered shit let's not forget he was looking for India no the Caribbeans.
@@Slm99 you know that you can discover things even if you where looking for something else right?
"Columbus is still discovering the ocean"😂😂
A Columbus statue in America is the same as a Hitler statue in Israel. Picture that if you don‘t get the point!
Excluding the first (pretty self-evident), I'd be more comfortable trying to petition a statue of Cecil Rhodes in the middle Soweto than that.
What about a George Washington statue?
Well, would be a great opportunity to dispose of all your rotten tomatoes.
No it's not the same. Columbus and Hitler historically had nothing to with each other. They didn't even live in the same century. At least Columbus did something good for humanity. He was the reason europeans came to this continent. If it wasn't for Columbus there wouldn't be a USA or a Canada or any other modern country on this continent.
How about in Colombia?
He just got lost. He wasn’t supposed to be here in the first place. Someone on the Santa Maria just yelled “Land Ho!” For his crew To park their boats. Yet our books say “ he discovered it” and don’t go further to the real story. 🤦sad...
He wasn’t lost the map he followed got him to cuba and he thought he was india cause uhm yeah he’s supposed to know he’s in new land and he discovered America for the eu so for spain italy and more not like he discovered it before anyone
That sounds about white. 😉
opponent 116 Yes, the whole point was to try to find India for the spice trade between Europe and India, then slowly work through Asia. He was looking for Land new to Europeans. His map and weather had sent him off course however, and he ended up spending much longer at sea, needing to find land, finally ending and resulting arriving in Cuba, then moved East to America, in New England ( hence the name ) a land mass so large they THOUGHT it was India. Also implying the incorrect term still used for native Americans. But what he did when he got there, then sailing guiding mor people there is never talked about.
Columbus didn't discover America, there were already people living there.
He didn't discover the landmass of North America either. Heanded in Hispaniola which today is Haiti and the Dominican Republic
Fun fact: Vikings discovered the land known as America 300 years before columbus (accidentally) did. Vikings on the other witness indigenous people (Natives) living on it and chose to let it be while columbus caused genocide to achieve it from the natives.
Exactly! I don't fly to China, and since I personally have never been there, say I discovered it once I see it.
@@airapparatus2383 Vikings didn't discover, but found it. You can't discover a place where there are already people.
@Jan Brady You don't discover anything. You merely decrease your ignorance and understand more. Gravity has always existed before it was "discovered" - humans merely have placed intellectual thought to understand it better. Humanity's hubris is acting like they "discovered" anything and now it is brought into existence. All has always been, you've just been ignorant to its existence.
I keep on forgetting that he didn't discover the places he "discovered" since they had natives already there. That's what he did for Jamaica and the Tainos. He said "I've discovered this foreign land" and these people are out here like "Get in line bub we owned it first"
He (and the crew of the ships) did discover those foreign lands and some of the people on it, since they did not know it was there.
No the idea he crossed the Atlantic Ocean, then found a new world to pave the way for others to follow. Remember the Earth was still considered flat rather than a round sphere.
@@Calmdowndude the flat earth thing is not completely true, people already knew the earth was round only there was still a debate on the size of the planet, I think Columbus thought that the earth was smaller then what it really turned out to be.
Then white old men came and said this is our laws, you're going to obey them now even though they put you in an extremely disadvantageous position.
Natives: "Yo bruv we don't care not your laws, we been here before y'all so how 'bout you go away?"
White men: "Yo but like we got guns, using technology that was discovered by Chinese some thousands years ago, so we gonna steal this land for you. Especially since our Lord ANd Savior Jesus Christ taught us to be merciful and peaceful, so how about we just kill a few of you to teach you respect?"
Like seriously I'm a white European woman but the history of colonialism and slavery is so f@#*ed up. No wonder Europe dominated most of the world, with their no morals matter, whoever doesn't come from our corner of the world does not really count as human kind of attitude.
@@DarkDutch007 i always imagine the natives one day after contact with the outsiders talking to each other - guys , we need to do something about these immigrants , they're getting cray cray .
Good lord, this, THIS is why statues don't do shit for history. If they read an actual history book, there would not be a statue of Columbus but of someone else
And Colombia would have a different name : )
tbh i think the only statue of him they should keep is the beheaded one and update the plaque with info on; this is who he was, this is what he did, this is how he was over glorified, and now we celebrate indigenous people's day like we should have all along
Italian Americans should just pick a new hero to idolise like Frank Sinatra or Robert DeNiro or Madonna.
Shantosh Rajendren wait frank Sinatra was Italian?! That’s actually so cool!
Dr Fauci?
Shantosh Rajendren I’m pretty sure Columbus wasn’t even Italian. Wasn’t he from Spain?
@@otterzrkuhl that's what I thought too🤷but apparently no, he just got funding from the queen of Spain
Lynnette Ott , i think from portugal
I heard something like Columbus never reached any part the modern day US. He reached the Caribbean, South America and Central America but never the land of the US
That's true. The genocide of north american natives is all yours, english, and german colonists. And it was a real genocide, not like in the spanish america where the native americans are still thriving.
@@CarlosLopez58 that's one thing I find very interesting about the rest of America when you exclude Canada and the US, is how well native Americans are mixed in. I watched a history video about the US expansion west and one of the reasons Texas was taken from Mexico is that is was sparsely population enough that they didn't have to mix with any non white people. The person also said that the US was powerful enough to take over Mexico but they didn't and only took land that was mostly empty so they force or kill natives out and didn't have to worry about there being non whites living among them. They were so blatantly racist it's crazy to think about that time.
@@CarlosLopez58 You do know that black slaves were brought into the caribbean because they ran out of native slaves, right? You ever heard of the Cerro de Potosi? Ever heard what the white plantation owners in Mexico did with their native/poor white mixed peasants?
The reason I wrote my comment is because I think it's kinda ironic how in the US Columbus is such a huge icon and he has a national holiday but never reached US land + all the controversies around Columbus. It's mostly the Italian immigrants that pushed Columbus day and stuff about him so they could be excepted as Americans.
@@Nala15-Artist There are 25 million native americans in Mexico, and only 3 million in USA. That tells it all about genocides and which people made them.
This is why I love trevor noah
Very thoughtful of you to include the specific significance of Columbus to Italian Americans, and mention the oppression they once faced. I think/hope that kind of thoughtfulness can help others to be less defensive and start to accept the full, complex history, to disavow the evil of the last and strive to help our country evolve and do better.
As someone who is 75% Italian and proud of my heritage, I have long celebrated “Columbus Day” by learning a bit more about, and reflecting on, the atrocities of colonialism and the hypocrisy of securing our own freedom and prosperity by, in part, denying it to indigenous people, Africans and others.
I am overjoyed that more and more people are celebrating “Indigenous People Day.” I hope it is a sign, even a small one, that humans can evolve to act less out of fear and selfishness, see that we are all brothers and sisters, and find ways to live together and help each other.
I am so proud of Colorado for changing Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples Day. Just read Columbus' first words on landing in the "new world." He found the indigenous people friendly and gracious and prime slave materials who could be easily conquered. Enough said.
Not sure why anyone would want to celebrate the day they were conquered and enslaved.
October is Italian Heritage month so it would be very cool if we could make it Italian Heritage Day instead of Columbus Day. Or Indigenous People's Day like South Dakota. We're not erasing history; we're just reexamining how we celebrate it, and a lot of people are more deserving of being celebrated than Columbus.
In Colorado we celebrated Cabrini Day last week, Indigenous people day today. Was a decision made by both cultures leadership. So hard agree.
Italian descendant : columbus discovered America
Leif erikson : I'm I a joke to you??
HingaDingaDurgin!
Yes he was a joke. Is this some pathetic attempt to spin another European into position for something he nor anyone else can claim? How in your Thick skull can you find a logic that something can be discovered when someone else was there before them. Oh I guess your propping up European racial thinking here. Because it’s a white man than it’s significant. Native Americans are not to be considered significant.
Saint Brendan: Am I a joke to you?
"I love being Black, but I'm not going to put up a statue of OJ in my backyard, especially not while my white friends are there"
OMG I died
What you got against OJ Mayo he didn’t really play defense but no need for slander
America is a place where : " People that were never slaves are asking other people that were never slave owners- an apology!!". Thank God your far away on that isolated island.
The effects of slavery are still present today through the economy
@@KeysOfMysterium mate we all are slaves in that sense. I wake up early in the morning -->go to work and have to overcome a lot of things in order to get payed, so I can pay my rent and buy food . That's all against my will surely. Otherwise I would prefer JUST to get payed without " going to work " part. Slaves of the system, wear all f☆○●♤♡◇ed.
Colombus is responsible for the death of the taínos in Quisqueya, he also stole the gold in our land in exchange of mirrors and gave it to SPAIN...How can that be anyone's heritage celebration?
Who celebrates Columbus day..everyone is just happy getting a day off. I prefer indigenous day
Indigenous Peoples day even has a better ring to it! The least we can do for the ethnic erasure of Native Americans throughout history.
@Dragon1717 No. The ones who don't know their history do.
@Lavern n You're right. Just one thing, if someone murdered you. Would you want a holiday that people take off of work and school to celebrate that person that killed you?
I really don’t understand the obsession with Columbus in the USA, do they even know Columbus never set foot in the United States. He discovered America the continent, not the USA
Hey Trevor, don't know if you ever check these comments but if you do please consider bringing Coleman Hughes on your show. He is an excellent, well spoken black intellectual much like yourself. You may find that are many things you two disagree on. But a conversation with him would go a long way in bridging the racial divide facing the country right now
"What are the birds supposed to do? Hold it in?"😂🤣
Although I think we should take these statues down, we should put them in a museum and not destroy them.
Happy Indigenous Day Brothers n Sisters !! :-) We r still here , thankful we have our way of life. Celebrate n have a good day! Hozho Nah has glii!
Even though I've watched this video before, I'm still laughing at the jokes. It's so good!
Hmm I thought the fact was he never actually set foot in America 🤔 Although he did do alot of damage to indigenous people in other areas
I think if anyone wanted to be mad about the statues it would be native americans and the like.
although he was evil everyone back then he was a man of his time everyone was bas back then
@@blurzzmelo9547 realistically the time doesn't matter because we have horrible people nowadays right? It's true. What's wrong is when people hold up someone on something like a pedestal when their past is very tainted. An extreme example would be someone looking up to the ideology and or acts/deeds that someone like Putin, hitler etc did. The idea of accepting a person that's done some pretty atrocious things is what's wrong.
Apparently he landed smack dab in the middle of Ohio.
They got me f... up these Italians🤣
I never got why Italian people celebrated him after everybody learns he never came to this country
His voyage resulted in the discovery.
@@natethebait But it didn't.
@@richsackett3423 for his people
Love the intro!! I thought this when I was learning about him in middle school! Third grade was the child version. Not thinking/learning about the destruction he caused. African Americans been here way longer and we still gotta fight for everything! We gotta continue to advocate for ourselves!!!
@Giovanahc Aside from the fact, Columbus was working for the Kingdom of Spain, that's why when they "colonized" (and yes, committed genocide) centre and south America, the language that was left was Spanish, except for the area which is now the country of Brazil, which was colonized by the Portuguese Kingdom, so they speak Poruguese. Now, I have always found it funny, as a European myself, how the US has such ans obsession with Columbus, but forgets how All THE EUROPEANS had their influence in the North American Genocide. BC the settlers that conquered the west, had to SLAUGHTER thousands of Native Americans that were already there AFTER Comubus had already passed, and it is well known that EVERY TREATY that the US Government signed with the First Nations was broken by the US Government, basically, English, and other European settlers. THAT FACT IS WRITTEN IN HISTORY BOOKS. So, what's this obsession with Columbus, when every European was colonizing, commiting genocide and keeping other humans enslaved. ALSO in the other end of the world, in Africa, hey were doing the exact same thing, that was like the way to get rich then. Now its a bit subtler, but the people who are evil are still evil. Evil roams this world, not the afterworld or "some heaven or hell" BS. There is Evil and Good in the world in the present and people who decide to go one way or another. It has always been this way.
Columbus an Italian!? Ask the spanish and the portuguese what do they think about that BS...
They don't care
@@coinvestnet maybe now, but sometime ago they'd surely did.
A C I think they rather like the idea of what he was then actually going deep into truth of the person or implications
Well I mean so what, he was from Italy like what’s there to be mad about
We don't want the attention he's getting lol
“This is our 9/11” I-....
... Hate that line
I thought 9/11 was your 9/11.
LMFAO At the Italians pissed from the degrading of Christopher Columbus statues. Why can't they just "Forget about it?" Just forget about it. You saw nothing!
Lol and I'm Italian.
Fun Fact: Columbus never set foot on American soil. So why should we celebrate him?
@Jacob Wright No I didn't. I am a caregiver for special needs adults. I don't get Holidays off unless I put in for it in advanced. IMO Columbus day is not a holiday. I went to work.
@Jacob Wright just because someone wants the day off doesn’t mean they have to support it. There are a ton of people who deserve a holiday more than Christopher, Just because you care more about “a day off” then morals doesn’t mean other people do. Btw her job is actually very important and I’m sure her boss doesn’t have to force her to go as she’s an actual good person. Unlike someone...
Columbus is the reason Europeans including the British started coming to this continent. If there had been no Columbus there wouldn't have been a Mayflower or Pilgrims.
No, Columbus’ arrival was the Taino’s people’s 9/11 x 1,000! Lol.
I say replace Christopher Columbus with Dr.Anthony Fauci. And replace Columbus day with what we'll call from now on, Fauci day!
COVID day
I´m so sorry for the US right now... Often I enjoy watching Trevor´s program despite my diferences. But today is too much.
During Columbus times, there was not questioning about if conquering was right or not. Everybody was doing it, also the native americans, all of them.
Judging Columbus simbol by "modern standards" while honouring all the "US founding fathers", wich were the ones that really screwed the native americans on a time when there was already a debate against those kind of practics... This is the simbol of how blind and doomed this society is.
Read History!!. The spanish empire didn´t have a extermination and expulsion policy, the US did and still does. Was the territory empty at that time? Why don't you remember that those who gave you thanksgiving turkeys were later killed in gratitude? Doesn´t it matter how many countries your are openly, or secretly, bombing right now? What happens? BLM only if their are americans? What about the rest of the world? What kind of hypocrisy allows you to hold such a killing machine and still sustain this speech?
If you do not like Columbus do not celebrate, I don´t give a sh+t. But stop bombing elsewhere. If you do ot like the spoiling of native americans way of life, leave that country and go back where your granparents were from. If you don´t like the statues that "conmemorate the lack of freedoms" start in Egypt, you have a bunch of statues to destroy up there.
And if you want to have your open eyes, observe how all the media in your country, all of them, is drifting your society towards a civil confrontation while speaking about unsustancial things and do your best to stop that tares. Becouse if you don´t, the civil war is served. And do not wonder later on why no body is willing to rescue you.
Why stop there!!? Why not stop judging Stalin with modern standard? How about Hitler? Maybe even Osama Bin Laden.
National Osama Bin Laden day is around the corner i can feel it.
See what i mean?
@@LionKing-mv2uk Maybe you're not good with dates, but all the characters you name are from the modern era. It was where there were already the kind of ethical considerations that underlie this debate. Like all US founders. And speaking of recent acts? What is the name of the country that has invaded the most countries in the last hundred years? And what is the name of the terrorist group that dropped two atomic bombs in cities?
“Statues are where the birds poop. What are they supposed to do now? Hold it in?” Funniest part of the video.
To honor Columbus day, I always discover "new" wallets.
Amerigo Vespucci : *exists*
Some Italian-Americans : "That guy who didn't really discover America, who is known to be one of history's biggest assholes and who was barely Italian is such an Italian hero !"
That one guy has got to be the most simple minded person I’ve heard all year. They can’t be serious! Because you learned in the 3rd grade that Columbus discovered America? Let me guess.. you know Santa is real because you were in the 3rd grade when you sat on his lap at the mall 🙄🙄🙄
Trevor I get the U.S has a lot on its plate. But when will you address the #EndSARS in Nigeria
Seconded #EndSARS
There's a new outbreak of SARS? Wow, guess we'll be having a second global wave of COVID in 2028
@@coinvestnet lol Nah. SARS is a unit in the Nigerian Police Force. #EndSARS is a movement to get them disbanded as they have been harassing and killing our youths for far too long under the guise of doing their jobs
We talk about this every collumbus day and the reaction gets a little more extreme every year, and growing up with that slow shift is an interesting shift
The only way I can watch comedy central is by TH-cam thank you the Trevor and comedy central each and every episode on youtube
*Fun fact:* In February of 1504, a desperate Columbus was stranded in Jamaica, abandoned by half his crew, and denied food by the islanders. BUT Columbus knew that a lunar eclipse was going to occur on Feb 29 according to his almanac. So, he told the Jamaicans that his god was upset with them for their refusal of food and that the moon would “rise inflamed with wrath” as an expression of divine displeasure. Then, when the eclipse darkened the moon and turned it red as predicted, the terrified islanders offered provisions and beseeched Columbus to ask his god for mercy.
This is how people who have relied on facts and science have managed to fool those who preferred to put their money on superstition.
Happy Columbus Day.
A statue doesn’t teach history.
Columbus became the first European in recorded history to successfully
conquer a small part of the Americas and then establish a trade route for
the transportation of slaves and goods. In other words, he monetized it. As he boasted to the Spanish royal finance minister, upon completion of his first voyage:
2:50 Well of course the drive thru forgot your fries...you're at Taco Bell!!
Yaaaassss! I was just gonna say this! Bless the Patron Saint of Immigrants!
I would pay money to have a federal Mother Cabrini day
Is this a reupload..?
Thank you for this Trevor. It appeals to both sides of the argument. I really appreciate this video a lot. Being a descendant from italian immigrants, this was a great lesson on this topic. Again, thank you SO much. ✌️♥️
He was looking for India for their spices and jewels and the fact he got lost and invaded and started calling indigenous people Indian is the proof of his intentions.
Aight as an Italian-American I wanna DISOWN that guy, he committed horrible atrocities. We deserve better as a "role model" ok. Celebrate my culture *without* the horrible genocidal murderer and replace columbus day with indigenous people's day, because Lord knows they need and deserve it more than Columbus does.
Fun fact: October 9 is Leif Erickson Day!
*HINGA DINGA DURGEN*
As an Italian American who isn't a guido I'd like to see Columbus gone.
1. Americans give way too much meaning to statues.
2. Those Italian Americans sound like their people are the only ones who suffered through history. Every nationality on earth had suffering and injustice happening to them at some point in time. That's history.
I mean, ask the Polish, they will definitely tell you all about their centuries of bad luck 😆
@Lavern n Point is that they're still suffering. They want change to the current police/justice system, they're not talking about discrimination centuries ago.
the remove of Statues doesen`t change the past. Let them stay, at least as a reminder.
Can we please change the holiday from Columbus Day to Italian American heritage day? Can we solve any problems without being stupid?Address the issue people.
If these Italians don't know leif erikson discovered America
They're refering to South America : )
If we tear down the statues of everyone who isn't perfect, we will have no statues erected, just a lot of gravel.
Dear @TrevorNoah, I really like you, respect you and I enjoy most of the videos & content that you create, however this time I totally disagree with your opinion especially the way you present the facts from the vision of a man of the XXI century. You should not judge the history of several centuries ago and compare it with the current context. Things are not black or white, most of the historians consulted flatly deny that Cristoforo Colombo can be branded as genocidal. "It is a figure that had not even been answered thanks to its achievements in navigation, for colonizing a new space and because it meant globalization, please see Neil deGrasse Tyson opinion:
th-cam.com/video/H9CG07CzBTg/w-d-xo.html
With respect, I believe you should speak with a greater knowledge of the subject and after having consulted several sources. First of all I would like to say that terrible things were done in that period of time as they were done in other times. The Romans did terrible things, but also great things, just like the Greeks. I cannot imagine in Greece or Macedonia destroying a sculpture of Alexander the Great (a national hero who conquered vast territories) or destroying a Ghengis Khan sculpture in Mongolia or destroying a Cesar sculpture in Italy.
On the other hand, comparing the English and Spanish colonization’s, there is a huge difference between the two and it is fully documented while the British did not want to mix they carried out an authentic extermination of the aborigines in Australia or the Indians in North America, the Spanish (who also did terrible things) also created protection laws (The laws of Burgos or Ordinances for the treatment of the Indians were the first laws that the Hispanic Monarchy dictated for its application in the Indies, the New World or America in which it abolished indigenous slavery and organized its conquest, which were signed by the Catholic King Ferdinand II, December 27, 1512) & In 1503, the Catholic Monarchs encouraged mixed marriages. Also first universities were created with the Spanish
The oldest universities in Latin America:
1586 San Fulgencio (Ecuador)
1624 Universidad Mayor Real y Pontificia San Francisco Xavier de Chuquisaca (Bolivia)
1647 Royal University of San Felipe (predecessor of the University of Chile created in 1843)
1692 National University of San Antonio Abad del Cusco (Peru)
Regarding the million of deaths in America diseases killed 95% of the population .The inhabitants of America had remained isolated from the rest of the world and paid a heavy price for the biological shock. When diseases brought from Europe, which had evolved over thousands of years of Humanity, came into contact with the New World, they caused thousands of deaths in the face of the biological fragility of its inhabitants. A simple nasal catarrh was fatal for many Indians.
Next time please don't be so simple and don't base your sources on 2 videos from VOX.com only.
Thanks and Regards,
Hi Alberto, really good comment thanks for it.
It is amazing how British and Americans rewrite history in their own way without any historical base.
Hate and envy of the English for the Spanish dates back to 1741 when the great Blas de Lezo defeated and humiliated the English in the battle of Cartagena.
Fv** the queen!!
@@juliodaioz5203
Why are you posting in English?
It'll always be Columbus Day now Commies... Hahahahaha
"but then where are the birds gonna poop?" haha valid point!
Omg,. This new generation is so sensitive...no one cares about columbus day before, now we have to erase it because offended black people...please give me a break...what's next?
Fun fact. Columbus Day is only good for is alternate parking 🅿️🚗
👇 have cars and can relate
Columbus is the first immigrant tho.... I thought the democrats love immigrants
The first lesson you should learn about history - if someone who commits crimes like treason, genocide, etc. has a monument built for them (or to them) the ONLY appropriate place for it is in a museum, surrounded by accurate information about why the monument was built. Other than that, it should be destroyed. Replacement of something else is optional.
I never know there we’re Columbus statues. 🤣🤣🤣
BS Propaganda.
Trevor is teaching people to hate its founders.
Christopher Columbus was not a founder🤦🏻♂️
Vincent Giasullo
Yes, he was.
The propaganda got to your mind, unfortunately.
While the natives were already there, none of the people in the east knew about the continent.
It was the Europeans that helped transform America to what it is today.
Natives didn’t have the kind of technology that the Europeans did.
Me Me did you even know where he landed?
Christopher Columbus gets a bad rap
He spent most of his life ruling a Caribbean island .... And was double Cross by the Spanish for running off and becoming king of and island lol ... he’s basically known for bringing Christianity to the Caribbean islands and living in peace until his Capture .... he just didn’t deserve a statue that’s all
Lol there’s movies and books about it 👌🏿
As an indigenous person, who lived in Italy for 6 years, there is nothing but love for them. But i also know the history of their plight in America and the plight of my own people that is still on going. As always the indigenous are persecuted. Why still now? When the Italian people have so many people to choose from.
I'm saying this on every Trevor Noah video here and out. I love Trevor Noah!!! 😍
Dude...BRAVO! Very well put.