My 2016 Bear Escape (32" ATA) at 70lbs/30in. throws 450gr arrows at a chronograph proven 300fps. We have now been at this level of performance for a decade folks. These marketing teams will struggle to make us buy new bows that do exactly what our old bows do.
this is the realization i keep coming to. i shoot a 2014 creed xs. i had 50 pound limbs put on it. shoots like a dream. i see the specs on the new stuff....everyone keeps talking how light the new bows are. yet this new one is an ounce heavier than my creed. i keep tabs on the stuff coming out, nothing has impressed me to the point i feel compelled to get something new.
Yep, I’ve got a highcountry speed pro and literally used my arrow on the same chrono and shot a brand new Hoyt right after mine and they both were 317fps at 29 draw at 70lbs. The Hoyt felt better and was a touch more quit but is that worth $1200 or more naw bruh
question... With all these new bows coming with some kind of tunning feature. Is there ever a reason to move your rest left or right? or should it just stay in center shot and use the limbs/cams to tune?
The most astounding bow I have shot is the Mathews TRX 40. This was around 4ish years ago. The guy set it up in about 15 minutes. I center punched a target at 30 yards and had 1 robin hood. It felt alien. It was like the bow read my mind and just put the arrow where I wanted it. It felt incredibly clean to shoot. The draw was decent (Bowtech and hoyt have smoother/easier draws). The stability was exceptional. I can't compare that, as it is the only 40" axle bow I have shot. I ended up going home with that bow, my wallet quietly sobbing in my pocket. The funniest part? I got a high end single-pin slider as a sight. Great sight. The funny part? I never sighted it in. I have put a few thousand arrows through the thing, and I NEVER EVEN FELT THE NEED to use the sight. It remains unused, without even the marking tape on it.
That Garmin chrono seems to be WILDLY off, just like mine was. I thought I was the only one who had to go back to the "old" reliable chronograph because the Garmin was giving me crazy readings.
So I don't want to sound negative here because I respect the way you seem fair in your reviews and you are definitely knowledgeable. But I'd like to see a category on draw cycle. Why? because I am a hunter and not a 3D shooter or target shooter. Not knocking any of that, but draw cycle in a pure hunting situation I feel is important. It can make or break the hunt. Getting busted on the draw or not. Again just a suggestion. Thanks for doing what you do as I feel you educate and give a true honest opinion. Thanks
Well 332, 332, and 336 is 333 average not 335 and it’s on 80% let off not like others tested at 85% let off. So this thing is over 15FPS slow so you need to rag that slow ass more than you did. Take that honesty down a couple points.
He is testing to see how close to the bow it to the advertised speed. If he was basing the score off of speed compared to other bow then your argument would stand but he is not basing the score off that
I never thought MFJJ was brand biased. He always gave his opinion, but you got the sense it was authentic, or at least i did. Lately, i feel like he's blossomed into a Matthew's fanboy. Even with the lifts limb issues, in his video, he focused on a silver lining. If it was a different company (pse,elite,darton ect.), I dont see him being as accepting or understanding. That seems to be his going theme right now when it comes to Mathews, where anything that could be seen as a negative is downplayed or disregarded. So I started asking myself if i owned Mathews what additional percentage from each sale would i be willing to give someone with a platform and following who also have the ability to move alot of inventory . Where the sales and success of our products will also benefit them significantly more than one from our competitors. That would be enough incentive for me to only talk about the positives.
I appreciate you encouraging us to shop local but when my local bow shop tells me to just move my sight when my broadheads are over 3" different from my field points they lost my business full stop.
Hey MFJJ, Do they release new Mission bows or do you review them? My local pro shop only really carries Matthews, a few Bears, and Mission and I can't find a lot of info on Mission or of they even still make new models of them.
Yeah, he tends to coddle the big brands. Maybe it's a business play. All the cool kids are now shooting Hoyt and Mathews, so the excuses flow strong for those brands. All others be damned if they slip. We will see once Bowtech pushes out their new stuff to see how he responds.
@ over 13 fps off and saying “I may have just got a slow one” is consistent bias to a brand. Like I said I like the guy but he chastised other brands for being off less fps but you know “he may have just got a slow one”
I thought the Matthew's were having issues with there limbs? I could be wrong but they had to send some recall info out or something along those lines. I dont know the details but would like to.
SHE SLOW!!!! 336 was the FASTEST reliable number you saw anywhere yet, the average ends up at 335 lol!! Great job on the grip options though...and great job NOT copying, umm, any other company's tuning process..... 🙄
Next year will you measure the Brace height at full draw, Im hearing PSE grows like an inch but I want to know what other bows do for shooting long range. Thanks
@calebsmith1454 hey dude, how do you messure bracehight at fulldraw, I think the pse limbs come back towards you abit more than inwards, my mach 34 looks awesome on the drawboard.
I think Josh’s reflex/ deflex measurement more than accounts for this. I’m trying to understand how you can measure brace at any point of the draw curve beyond brace?🤷🏽♂️ If perhaps you mean to measure a line that touches the back of the cams as done at brace, not sure that would matter due to the difference in cam configurations. Please explain.
They’re way off on speed. My only gripe with this and with no accountability held on them. The hoyt was fast. Yes it needs a major upgrade in tuning but how do you give them a 12 when they are over almost 12 fps slow??
I’d love to see a video comparing the Atlas to the XD! And you can do all the other boring bows that don’t matter to a long draw archer😂 Oh! Oh! And what’s up with the 80 pound draw weight on the bow builder app on the Mathews website?! Oh, and how does the Mathews slider site compare to the Boonie or any other popular site on the market?! This is so freekin’ cool exciting!
My shop would argue it. My shop in Idaho sold Hoyt 4:1 over Mathews this past year. I am not convinced Mathews had as big of a year as is being hyped, I think their production was way behind and their limb issue mid year really hurt their sales. My shop ended up dumping their few remains LIFTS as used on eBay because nobody wanted them.
@huntsimple9527 Depends on the shop. People tend to buy what everyone does around them. I was a t my local shop 2 years ago and they sell Hoyt, Mathews and bowtech. I mentioned the PSE levitate. They all was arguing. "PSE ain't good. Blah blah blah." So I drove a hour and a half away, shot and bought a levitate. Idk the fuck they was talking about. Super light and fast as fuck. I guarantee I can kill anything in america with a 400 grain and mechanical with this bow.
@@Prose313 Agreed. I could be wrong, but I think the LIFT and LIFT X limbs will continue to plague Mathews. The Hoyt Alpha X and RX-8 bows were massive breakthroughs for Hoyt and honestly, I prefer them over the Hoyt offerings this year.
Would have like to see a difference in Axle to axle or added coming like a 31 to 32 axle to axle bow in this line up another swing and a miss by Mathews. Mathews needs to up date the VXR 31.5 best bow they ever build for the all around hunter . Thanks for the review’s MFJJ appreciate your time
By moving the limb are not moving or changing flex points or pressure points on the one limb?? may be that's why they had to make the new limbs more robust???
We discovered something new at the shop today… grab the top of the cam and move it back and forth with a little bit of pressure. Every new Mathews had a click when you did that.
@ thought we were crazy at first… tested last years modes, Hoyt, pse, prime, bowtech, and darton. Shocker none of them had that problem that every lift x had
I don’t understand why he’s getting torn apart for this review. It seems honest to me. This bow is super hyped up and but he’s also telling you to shoot everything and give them all a fair shake. This is opinion based so you gotta remember that when watching. Shoot them all and make your decision based on how you shoot the bow.
Mathews is not the nicest. Their marketing is just really good. Draw cycle still way behind Bowtech, Hoyt, PSE, Darton, etc……. I use to shoot Mathews, I’m just honest about my opinion. It’s just my opinion. My 1997 Mathews Feathermax 3.25lbs, 7in BH, 36in ata was my fav Mathew’s to date. The helium had a nice draw cycle
Hey MF-Josh Jones!!!! Thank you for helping people work on their own bows and your great videos. I am looking to purchase a new bow this year and debating between the Lift X and the Lift X-RS. I have a 27.5 inch draw length. Can you please do a video with a 28 inch draw length both bows at 70 pounds draw weight and a 450 grain arrow to show the difference in speed between the two. I subscribe to your logic on speed over this heavy adult arrow following. Thank you for all you do!!!.
Man I got to buy this bow I like the sights, Matthews coming out too I live in Louisville, Kentucky Scott king used to carry Matthews and until Bass pro shop come in open over in Indiana and he quit selling bows I don’t know why he did it. He said he could keep up with the competition but I wish he was still in business. I don’t even know where any dealers now in Louisville, Kentucky like Scott king used to be named field & stream until they sue him over the name the magazine. jerks not Scott
Fellas, the man makes his living selling bows and archery equipment. He says he sold more of this brand than any other. Why would he bite the hand that feeds him? Think about it. Everyone has a favorite something as well. It’s just a bow. The man puts a lot of effort into these videos. Just look at the features and numbers, score them yourself when you go shoot them.
Also last year you just went ahead and gave them 4 extra fps bc you couldn’t get 80 mods. Obviously those don’t help. Probably just that one bow. The rest are probably faster.
Mathews speed rating is based on IBO specs which is tested at 80lbs. He does reviews at 70lbs. That’s the difference in published numbers vs his numbers. They also shoot bare shafts with no vane drag
@@codyspriggs6739 IBO is up to 80lbs 5 grains per pound, and max draw length is allowed. 80lb bow with a 400gr arrow is shooting the same speeds as a 70lb @ 350gr. Drag has nothing to do with it. "IBO" speed ratings were created for IBO 3D competitions anyway. ATA spec was designed to test bows at a standard, as was AMO.
The only thing I’d say people will buy this is because you can tune it without a press, everything else is the same as last year, I wonder if the limbs also have issues too
@Thedudeabides803 Thats just haters in general. My problem is when you buy a bow based on the brand. Plus people who own Mathews typically upgrade every year. No telling if they will last or not.
3.99 pounds...... my creed xs is 3.8. i keep an eye on the new stuff coming out, but i have not seen anything that wows me to the point i feel compelled to pull the trigger. maybe the creed was just that good. idk.
He's shilling for Mathews again...like his "Small Mishap" statement regarding last years defective limbs. There were tons of guys having their limbs splitting, meanwhile all these Mathews dealers were downplaying it. Lying scumbags!!!
This is the Mathews math he uses year after year. Just take it for what it's worth. Nice bow and will make him a lot of money. Maybe even enough to send him on Mathews sponsored hunt again.
Not a chance, it's patented. Which means the patent office already reviewed it and saw it as a completely operating principle vs. Bowtech. Bowtech moves the wheel on the axle laterally, this spaces one limb further away from the wheel thereby creating more torque on one side and affecting the lean. Athens was still moving the cam on the axle laterally. Also, Mathews has just as deep if not even deeper pockets to fight litigation from Bowtech. Athens certainly didn't. Sorry to geek out on patents, but I am just amazed how many different ways manufactures are coming up to micro-tune wheel lean without infringing on each other's patents. Athens was the one who screwed themselves or got really bad legal advice.
@davidmayers1645 yes Roger that. I was making a joke, but Athens had they're stuff patented as well because it was slightly different but bowtech still went after them. Not like Athens was gonna steal their business. I was just taking a subtle jab at bowtech for the archery community bubby.
@ it wasn’t patented. They (Athens ownership) kept saying it wasn’t a patent violation while they were trying (pending) to get a patent on it. Bowtech said this is a violation and because it is also pending we can still sue you to prove in court you aren’t in violation and thus damaging our business or stealing our IP And honestly I read the suit filing. I have a very hard time believing that a judge wouldn’t have sided with Bowtech based on “same operating principles”
I agree, we will see. Just like the solid advice to not buy a new model car the first year it is out, I would suggest folks wait a year or so before investing in a LIFT X to see how the legality of the situation works out and if this system is durable. Seems like a pretty sketchy situation to have a limb not parallel to the other one. Not sure.
Why has this come to a science project now? Like wtf is going on here! Go outside an group them, and then see if you like the bow. Don't need all these bs stats
My 2016 Bear Escape (32" ATA) at 70lbs/30in. throws 450gr arrows at a chronograph proven 300fps. We have now been at this level of performance for a decade folks. These marketing teams will struggle to make us buy new bows that do exactly what our old bows do.
this is the realization i keep coming to. i shoot a 2014 creed xs. i had 50 pound limbs put on it. shoots like a dream. i see the specs on the new stuff....everyone keeps talking how light the new bows are. yet this new one is an ounce heavier than my creed.
i keep tabs on the stuff coming out, nothing has impressed me to the point i feel compelled to get something new.
My Bear Paradigm @70lbs with my 31.5" draw slings my full weight arrow @320fps. Very impressed for the money. I like it more than my old Mathews
@@troyhanson1820 You forgot that mathews fan boys will buy a new bow every year. They are worse than iphone users.
Yep, I’ve got a highcountry speed pro and literally used my arrow on the same chrono and shot a brand new Hoyt right after mine and they both were 317fps at 29 draw at 70lbs. The Hoyt felt better and was a touch more quit but is that worth $1200 or more naw bruh
@WesP73 what's a full weight arrow??
question... With all these new bows coming with some kind of tunning feature. Is there ever a reason to move your rest left or right? or should it just stay in center shot and use the limbs/cams to tune?
MFJJ let us know if we can get those LiftX Limbs on the 29.5 added to our 2024 Lift 29.5 bows! 😬
The most astounding bow I have shot is the Mathews TRX 40. This was around 4ish years ago. The guy set it up in about 15 minutes. I center punched a target at 30 yards and had 1 robin hood. It felt alien. It was like the bow read my mind and just put the arrow where I wanted it. It felt incredibly clean to shoot. The draw was decent (Bowtech and hoyt have smoother/easier draws). The stability was exceptional. I can't compare that, as it is the only 40" axle bow I have shot. I ended up going home with that bow, my wallet quietly sobbing in my pocket. The funniest part? I got a high end single-pin slider as a sight. Great sight. The funny part? I never sighted it in. I have put a few thousand arrows through the thing, and I NEVER EVEN FELT THE NEED to use the sight. It remains unused, without even the marking tape on it.
I'm excited about this one 😁
That Garmin chrono seems to be WILDLY off, just like mine was. I thought I was the only one who had to go back to the "old" reliable chronograph because the Garmin was giving me crazy readings.
Garmin is the most accurate there is. If you’re is off it’s typically placement.
Both of his chronos are a bit slower than my Pro Chrono and way more inconsistent. I never get more than 1 fps difference.
it does not like it when you switch arrow weights, give it a few with a certain weight before you take it as "good" It's been weird in that way to me.
You think you could make a franken lift outta the lift with lift x parts to make a lift x???
Would probably cost you more than selling your lift and buying a X…
So I don't want to sound negative here because I respect the way you seem fair in your reviews and you are definitely knowledgeable. But I'd like to see a category on draw cycle.
Why? because I am a hunter and not a 3D shooter or target shooter. Not knocking any of that, but draw cycle in a pure hunting situation I feel is important. It can make or break the hunt. Getting busted on the draw or not.
Again just a suggestion.
Thanks for doing what you do as I feel you educate and give a true honest opinion.
Thanks
Well 332, 332, and 336 is 333 average not 335 and it’s on 80% let off not like others tested at 85% let off. So this thing is over 15FPS slow so you need to rag that slow ass more than you did. Take that honesty down a couple points.
Your not adding the Garmin speeds
@@KTMsoldier1988 The speeds was average of both lol.
He is testing to see how close to the bow it to the advertised speed. If he was basing the score off of speed compared to other bow then your argument would stand but he is not basing the score off that
does this have the option for the lighter limb for women and lighter draw broken men like me? or is that just the RS
I never thought MFJJ was brand biased. He always gave his opinion, but you got the sense it was authentic, or at least i did. Lately, i feel like he's blossomed into a Matthew's fanboy. Even with the lifts limb issues, in his video, he focused on a silver lining. If it was a different company (pse,elite,darton ect.), I dont see him being as accepting or understanding. That seems to be his going theme right now when it comes to Mathews, where anything that could be seen as a negative is downplayed or disregarded. So I started asking myself if i owned Mathews what additional percentage from each sale would i be willing to give someone with a platform and following who also have the ability to move alot of inventory . Where the sales and success of our products will also benefit them significantly more than one from our competitors. That would be enough incentive for me to only talk about the positives.
I appreciate you encouraging us to shop local but when my local bow shop tells me to just move my sight when my broadheads are over 3" different from my field points they lost my business full stop.
Why is all the drawing back the bow edited out🤔
Hey MFJJ,
Do they release new Mission bows or do you review them? My local pro shop only really carries Matthews, a few Bears, and Mission and I can't find a lot of info on Mission or of they even still make new models of them.
Bruh, I really like Josh but he makes excuses about how off they are in speed last year and this year. Doesn’t do that for any other brand 😂
He did for I think pse
@ I don’t remember that especially since they come in very close typically. 13 or more is pretty dang far off and inexcusable
Yeah, he tends to coddle the big brands. Maybe it's a business play. All the cool kids are now shooting Hoyt and Mathews, so the excuses flow strong for those brands. All others be damned if they slip. We will see once Bowtech pushes out their new stuff to see how he responds.
Ummm he’s pretty damn consistent and has a red line.
@ over 13 fps off and saying “I may have just got a slow one” is consistent bias to a brand. Like I said I like the guy but he chastised other brands for being off less fps but you know “he may have just got a slow one”
When weighting the bow, you have to consider the tag weight as well and when shooting for the sound, you need to do that in a sound proof room.
I thought the Matthew's were having issues with there limbs? I could be wrong but they had to send some recall info out or something along those lines. I dont know the details but would like to.
Can the 2024 lifts get the new cam mods for tuning?
No
He’s gotta be doing this to troll us lol 😂
Could you imagine how critical he would be if PSE was that far off on speed .
He’d burn it on the spot
Can you use the new limbs on the 2024 lift
SHE SLOW!!!! 336 was the FASTEST reliable number you saw anywhere yet, the average ends up at 335 lol!! Great job on the grip options though...and great job NOT copying, umm, any other company's tuning process..... 🙄
Sure…didn’t you notice he does not show the draw even once. Draw cycle might s*ck
336- 332-- 332= 335 yup sounds about right lol
@@pinpointarchery2125 and 80% mods. Hmm, wonder why 🤔
It’s called a biased average. Special mfjj math.
Next year will you measure the Brace height at full draw, Im hearing PSE grows like an inch but I want to know what other bows do for shooting long range. Thanks
@calebsmith1454 hey dude, how do you messure bracehight at fulldraw, I think the pse limbs come back towards you abit more than inwards, my mach 34 looks awesome on the drawboard.
I think Josh’s reflex/ deflex measurement more than accounts for this.
I’m trying to understand how you can measure brace at any point of the draw curve beyond brace?🤷🏽♂️
If perhaps you mean to measure a line that touches the back of the cams as done at brace, not sure that would matter due to the difference in cam configurations.
Please explain.
I want to know if you can buy the cam hardware and change it out oblast years lift?
They’re way off on speed. My only gripe with this and with no accountability held on them. The hoyt was fast. Yes it needs a major upgrade in tuning but how do you give them a 12 when they are over almost 12 fps slow??
The speed is based on what they get or speed not honesty. Honesty got a 9. No way these bows hit 348
Mathews lists IBO speed. He’s testing ATA. Very different things
@@tylerblodge3489 as long as it's 5 grains of arrow weight per lb of draw weight The speed should be close between ibo and ata.
@@KTMsoldier1988why not just test IBO? Can he not pull 80 @ max draw length? There’s a reason there’s 2 different standardization’s.
@@tylerblodge3489 he would have to make a bunch of custom arrows to meet the standards.
I’d love to see a video comparing the Atlas to the XD! And you can do all the other boring bows that don’t matter to a long draw archer😂 Oh! Oh! And what’s up with the 80 pound draw weight on the bow builder app on the Mathews website?! Oh, and how does the Mathews slider site compare to the Boonie or any other popular site on the market?! This is so freekin’ cool exciting!
That is a brilliant comment you should totally make that video!
What he said!
My shop would argue it. My shop in Idaho sold Hoyt 4:1 over Mathews this past year. I am not convinced Mathews had as big of a year as is being hyped, I think their production was way behind and their limb issue mid year really hurt their sales. My shop ended up dumping their few remains LIFTS as used on eBay because nobody wanted them.
@huntsimple9527 Depends on the shop. People tend to buy what everyone does around them. I was a t my local shop 2 years ago and they sell Hoyt, Mathews and bowtech. I mentioned the PSE levitate. They all was arguing. "PSE ain't good. Blah blah blah." So I drove a hour and a half away, shot and bought a levitate. Idk the fuck they was talking about. Super light and fast as fuck. I guarantee I can kill anything in america with a 400 grain and mechanical with this bow.
They been too content at the top just like Leopold.....Vortex surpassed them.....I think Hoyt passed Matthew's last year too.
@@Prose313 Agreed. I could be wrong, but I think the LIFT and LIFT X limbs will continue to plague Mathews. The Hoyt Alpha X and RX-8 bows were massive breakthroughs for Hoyt and honestly, I prefer them over the Hoyt offerings this year.
Would have like to see a difference in Axle to axle or added coming like a 31 to 32 axle to axle bow in this line up another swing and a miss by Mathews. Mathews needs to up date the VXR 31.5 best bow they ever build for the all around hunter . Thanks for the review’s MFJJ appreciate your time
I still see no reason to “upgrade” from my VXR28. I’ve shot a good amount of game with my VXR.
Their other bows are faster than the one I tested -MFJJ
@@blackstream8351 that was hilarious and ridiculous when he said that
Awsome man thanks
Can you review the Oneida Phoenix? I’m debating between the rise 33 or the Phoenix.
A video on a complete string and cable change would be great. It seems that the new tuning system might impact how the axle needs to be removed.
Do you think it’s going to be to much stress on the limbs with this system
So what are you selling last year’s model for 600 it only has half the Technology
Wonder what bow has the best tuning ability I figured Darton hit it out of the park but this may be much better ?
What is the cost of it ????
$1,360 bare.
Moves the limb? So basically it slightly bends the limb? Seems odd to me.
Could you do a video Hoyt vs Matthews at 80lbs?
By moving the limb are not moving or changing flex points or pressure points on the one limb?? may be that's why they had to make the new limbs more robust???
I believe mfjj was a little generous with a 12 on the speed of this bow, especially only giving the bowtech an 11 for close to the same speed.
Some of you guys need to read up on how they actually calculate IBO speed....
@michaelficarro2591 The problem is, any other bow brand is off and he would rag it. Meanwhile, hoyt out here fast as fuck.
@@theincredible9168 The ultra RX9 came in at the same speed LOL, and like $700 more
IBO tests at 80lbs. His review is done at 70lbs. That’s the difference in speed
Why test these at 80 And everyone else at 85 & 90 % let off?? I'm guessing because that's how they sent them .. just curious 🤔
So the speed will be higher.
We discovered something new at the shop today… grab the top of the cam and move it back and forth with a little bit of pressure. Every new Mathews had a click when you did that.
Nice haha
@ thought we were crazy at first… tested last years modes, Hoyt, pse, prime, bowtech, and darton. Shocker none of them had that problem that every lift x had
damn you get a big variance across that chrono
I don’t understand why he’s getting torn apart for this review. It seems honest to me. This bow is super hyped up and but he’s also telling you to shoot everything and give them all a fair shake. This is opinion based so you gotta remember that when watching. Shoot them all and make your decision based on how you shoot the bow.
Mathews is not the nicest. Their marketing is just really good. Draw cycle still way behind Bowtech, Hoyt, PSE, Darton, etc……. I use to shoot Mathews, I’m just honest about my opinion. It’s just my opinion. My 1997 Mathews Feathermax 3.25lbs, 7in BH, 36in ata was my fav Mathew’s to date. The helium had a nice draw cycle
IBO is not the same as ATA. Mathews uses IBO for speed. I feel like you should understand the difference when you do your testing.
2 1/8 reflex on a 5.75 brace with mid speeds? yeah im good thanks tho
Can’t wait till the limbs crack too! Garbage. I’ll stick to my bowtech
@@veruts34 Good thing Bowtech never had any limbs issues before..
Seems like someone's on the matthew's payroll
Dude, is there any way you will be willing to test a bow like the Bowtech Guardian 2007? To compare that tech to today’s tech.
That was a great bow I had two guardians
If this exact bow had Bear Archery on it, it would rate so much lower on his scale...
Fact.
A 9 for "honesty" when the bow shot 335 vs an advertised 350? Come on.
@@vangeodatan355when was it normal for bows to shoot their IBO speed. Many never have. Ever.
@@Cody2nd So another company has been dishonest for longer so that somehow justifies?
@@Cody2nd Pse, Hoyt, and darton were spot on this year.
I’m no engineer but applying side pressure to the limbs like that seems like a terrible idea. More limb failures coming to Mathew’s dealer near you!
Haha..he always tries to justify Mathews lack of speed
Hey MF-Josh Jones!!!! Thank you for helping people work on their own bows and your great videos. I am looking to purchase a new bow this year and debating between the Lift X and the Lift X-RS. I have a 27.5 inch draw length. Can you please do a video with a 28 inch draw length both bows at 70 pounds draw weight and a 450 grain arrow to show the difference in speed between the two. I subscribe to your logic on speed over this heavy adult arrow following. Thank you for all you do!!!.
Man I got to buy this bow I like the sights, Matthews coming out too I live in Louisville, Kentucky Scott king used to carry Matthews and until Bass pro shop come in open over in Indiana and he quit selling bows I don’t know why he did it. He said he could keep up with the competition but I wish he was still in business. I don’t even know where any dealers now in Louisville, Kentucky like Scott king used to be named field & stream until they sue him over the name the magazine. jerks not Scott
Fellas, the man makes his living selling bows and archery equipment. He says he sold more of this brand than any other.
Why would he bite the hand that feeds him?
Think about it.
Everyone has a favorite something as well.
It’s just a bow. The man puts a lot of effort into these videos.
Just look at the features and numbers, score them yourself when you go shoot them.
Can't fix the pessimist crowd nothing is ever good enough, nuance nor understanding are thought processing they're capable of!
People want truth. His reviews are very biased depending on brand.
@huntsimple9527 biased in a not truth way or a not what one wants to hear kinda way?
@@proudlyamerican2764 Both.
Some seriously salty Mathews haters on here 😂
Because certain people overhype their bows
Do you tested the Mathews AGAIN this year and only tested the others I’m 80% Letoff! Why?
I'll bet his reviews were all delayed today because he had to redo them all at 80% because they were so SLOW at 85%!!
@ 100%
Also last year you just went ahead and gave them 4 extra fps bc you couldn’t get 80 mods. Obviously those don’t help. Probably just that one bow. The rest are probably faster.
Speed needs to be closer to published numbers since 30 is its max draw length. 🤦
Mathews speed rating is based on IBO specs which is tested at 80lbs. He does reviews at 70lbs. That’s the difference in published numbers vs his numbers. They also shoot bare shafts with no vane drag
@@codyspriggs6739 IBO is up to 80lbs 5 grains per pound, and max draw length is allowed. 80lb bow with a 400gr arrow is shooting the same speeds as a 70lb @ 350gr. Drag has nothing to do with it. "IBO" speed ratings were created for IBO 3D competitions anyway. ATA spec was designed to test bows at a standard, as was AMO.
What happened to the phase 4 just one year and gone
The only thing I’d say people will buy this is because you can tune it without a press, everything else is the same as last year, I wonder if the limbs also have issues too
Come to Broken Bow Oklahoma TAC. You will not be disappointed.
Is 1259 MAP? It's 1359 on their site. No mention of the "durable" limbs or much talk of the new grips.
There’s some mad haters on here😂
I love my V3X!
There bows are all hype. They have fan base that's worse than swifties
The haters are like a bad herpes. 😂
@Thedudeabides803 Thats just haters in general. My problem is when you buy a bow based on the brand. Plus people who own Mathews typically upgrade every year. No telling if they will last or not.
Do you think the limbs will be transferable to the lift?!
Not much new for 25', being that the 24' Core SS is more tuneable straight out of the box
Duuuuuude what happened to the uncut reviews from you bro? I loved the mfjj comments and wisdom…. 😢
according to a few posts on Facebook groups, these already started limb failures
It's probably the same limbs from the lift there telling you there new
Shoot it at their max draw weight aka 80 lbs 30” you’ll get the advertised speed.
Finally! Hoyt get your tunning shit together!!!
😂😂😂
What are they supposed to come up with since patents are in the way.
@@davemartin660 pay for bowtech technology, darton leases patents all the time, they just gotta pay for it
@lotsofarchery that's a low bar man, all flagships will tune, it just depend on how much of a pain in the ass it it
3.99 pounds...... my creed xs is 3.8. i keep an eye on the new stuff coming out, but i have not seen anything that wows me to the point i feel compelled to pull the trigger. maybe the creed was just that good. idk.
Hi there the price is 1 359$ not 1 259$ ...
Yes. Ok. Now when will Mathews have an upgrade from my 2024 Lift 29.5 to the X technology?
How does it only get a 7 for weight? It’s lighter than most carbon bows and you even said it was lighter than the 3.99 that’s advertised…
PSE carbon wins for weight.
@ that’s why I said most. Nobody will probably beat the PSE on weight.
@@mattgipe84 i think it makes up for the 7 in weight with its score in the value category
Putting stress on a limb to tune it doesn’t seem right to me. Bowtech’s design seems better
Bow is $1,359 per the website
It's just the same bow from the 24 lifts with a new grip...
332, 332 and 336 is a 335 average???? lol
Or 333... FR average. lol
Did you account for the garmin that’s underneath?
He's shilling for Mathews again...like his "Small Mishap" statement regarding last years defective limbs. There were tons of guys having their limbs splitting, meanwhile all these Mathews dealers were downplaying it. Lying scumbags!!!
If you follow the trends on this guy's "unbiased reviews", he always gives Mathews more leeway than the other brands.
This is the Mathews math he uses year after year. Just take it for what it's worth. Nice bow and will make him a lot of money. Maybe even enough to send him on Mathews sponsored hunt again.
No thank you. I will keep shooting my switchback XT
It gets the job done.
You're shooting at 70lbs instead of 80-lbs... Why do people expect 340+fps below the 80lb max DW?
this is like me taking my traverse down to 60lb and saying "wow it's so far from 338FPS rating from factory", isn't it?
At price is wrong. On their website it’s $1,359
I wish Mathews would stop lying about their speeds!
Soooo is bowtech gonna go after mathews like they did athens?!
Not a chance, it's patented. Which means the patent office already reviewed it and saw it as a completely operating principle vs. Bowtech. Bowtech moves the wheel on the axle laterally, this spaces one limb further away from the wheel thereby creating more torque on one side and affecting the lean. Athens was still moving the cam on the axle laterally. Also, Mathews has just as deep if not even deeper pockets to fight litigation from Bowtech. Athens certainly didn't. Sorry to geek out on patents, but I am just amazed how many different ways manufactures are coming up to micro-tune wheel lean without infringing on each other's patents. Athens was the one who screwed themselves or got really bad legal advice.
@davidmayers1645 yes Roger that. I was making a joke, but Athens had they're stuff patented as well because it was slightly different but bowtech still went after them. Not like Athens was gonna steal their business. I was just taking a subtle jab at bowtech for the archery community bubby.
@ it wasn’t patented. They (Athens ownership) kept saying it wasn’t a patent violation while they were trying (pending) to get a patent on it. Bowtech said this is a violation and because it is also pending we can still sue you to prove in court you aren’t in violation and thus damaging our business or stealing our IP
And honestly I read the suit filing. I have a very hard time believing that a judge wouldn’t have sided with Bowtech based on “same operating principles”
Funny when they use the speed that they forgot to record...
333 fps average ..that's way below advertised speed
So, $1,360.00 for bare bow that only scores a C+ from a guy that loves the brand.
No thanks. I'm gonna give the Obsession BONE a try $899.00 bare bow.
Where is he getting $1,259??
Why are you not showing shooting yhr freaking bow? I don't care about the speed every shot
Rx9 is 4fps faster and the rx9 ultra 2fps slower mathews lost in the speed category this year
Here comes the excuses for his fav….🙄
What excuses?
@@ryanpittman8690 So you didn't watch?
@@Tom_cat77 yes I did watch it, but I’m curious on what you think his excuses were
@@ryanpittman8690 Start with the "they sent me a slow bow" for one. lol
Might be a patent violation, i guess we'll see
It can’t be a patent violation when they were given their own patent.
@thepracticalrifleman oh yes it can
I agree, we will see. Just like the solid advice to not buy a new model car the first year it is out, I would suggest folks wait a year or so before investing in a LIFT X to see how the legality of the situation works out and if this system is durable. Seems like a pretty sketchy situation to have a limb not parallel to the other one. Not sure.
Why has this come to a science project now? Like wtf is going on here! Go outside an group them, and then see if you like the bow. Don't need all these bs stats
So biased but yet he uses bowtech lmao
#1. Yes...he is biased as hell
#2. Speed does not matter...EVER!