I'm a US Army vet introduced to the M16 in '86. In all those years, I've ended up gravitating to PMags, Dura Mags and USGI mags upgraded with Magpul followers/springs. I don't like any mag that "puts your round count on blast" - if YOU can see it, YOUR ENEMY can see it. Also, shiny metal on your kit (ie brass in a "see through" mag) will get you "offed" in a tactical environment
Woah holy shit ! I seriously hope that one clip in the intro doesn't get you in trouble with TH-cam. Thank you for putting it in the video though, people need to be in touch with the reality of this stuff.
@@Papawsaurus According to TH-cam your 'Shhhh' translates into English as 'Shhhhh' with five 'h' rather than American English four 'h'. Ok I'm a nerd and found this humorous and interesting.
I discovered DURAMAG and managed to buy about 4, then they stopped making them. Story of my life. Always a day late and a dollar short. Enjoyed your content that I've seen so far. Look forward to future videos.
@@nelsonr1467 As I understand OKAY went out of business , or at least stopped making mags. GunMagWarehouse no longer lists them. I bought some of the last they sold on their site.
@@michaelbarfield528 Right! I don't know where my brain went! I meant OKAY MAGS. I guess him mentioning DuraMags threw me off. That's the brand I went to after Okay Mags. Thx for straightening me out.
Good info. Early 90's in the military they had us down load M16 magazines that had been fully loaded, in storage for 10yrs. No issues from the mags. P-mags, I have some green 1st gen AR15 mags loaded for almost a decade now. They stopped the green because the dye compromised the mags. I have had zero issues with these mags breaking, cracking, not feeding. Now Pmag Glock mags, will only use them on the range. Had some loaded for a few months and the follower was dragging causing malfunctions. KCI, had some for AK's and other weapons when they first came out and they were subpar, that may have changed, will have to give them a try again.
Kci ak mag they stamped the followers off kilt a bit. The gen 2 fixed that. The gen 1 was ok till the last rd or 2 . The 40s they made a ton so forever the gen 1 was still available. You’ll know immediately when u stick the first rd in and it’s a little sloppy . It should push tight against the right side of the mag.
One thing I’ve noticed is that the metal usgi mags work better with any mag webbing kit. They slide in and out better and fit better. Duramag is great and their 20 rounders are good for retro builds that actually work.
Have a few P-Mags but have been using stainless steel Dura Mags in my AR's and my AK. Have had no issues. I also keep them fully loaded. Definitely enjoying the content! Thanks!!!
I've been using the ok mags since the 80's. My drill sergeants we're Vietnam vets an those were the ones we were told to dig out of the crates . 😁. So ingrained in my head I still look for them, have some pmags too, never had a failure. Even have a bunch of old Israeli orlite polymer mags, they are strictly for training as they are prone to breaking an spewing cartridges like a fountain😂 Good video
An informative video, cheers. I have a couple of the old Sanchez mags, and yes, I sometimes have feeding issues with them and so don't generallyuse them anymore. Like many people, I now use P mags, never had a problem with them so far. Keep up the good work.
I got 10 steelies in 1 pack and started noticing random jams. A few range trips later i identified one mag as the culprit. Made exactly the same as the others, but for some reason it was jist a tiny bit wider, so it jammed.
I almost exclusively use pmags now, ive noticed they run any loads with flat nose bullets like open tip or soft points far better than any other mags I have
I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but I’ve had Pmags loaded (to 29) for years without issues. I’ve got one that’s sat loaded for about 10 years now and I haven’t noticed any issues that. I’m just a civilian though.
Loading only 29 rounds is the dumbest myth in the gun community 😂 no professionals who run thousands of rounds ever load 29. If your gun can’t run full 30 rnds then you need a better weapon
@ I agree that it’s not universal, I started doing it with a department owned AR that was passed around shift by shift. It didn’t like tactical reloads with 30 rounds for whatever reason.
In all my years I've only had 1 pmag (m4 gen2) fail, but that was due to it taking a hard drop. Never had any issues with the aluminum gi style ones either aside from occasionally scratching the crap out of my thumb nail while loading fast. For KCI I've only used their glock mags, 1 of 4 was doa and the other 3 had feeding issues with anything heavier than 115gr fmj so they're for training along with the pmags (which have spring bind up issues even after cleaning and using brass case). Just do not get Promag...back when I was young and didn't know much about firearms I got some and none of them were ever reliable or even worked regardless of what platform they went to.
HAAH! I actually have one of those "RG" magazines. I found it in the field while doing training at Marche les Dames Commando Training Center back in Febuary 92'. I'm surprised that its a crap magazine. I considered it one of my best that I carried as it worked perfectly. 😂 I was even trying to find more to buy like 15 years ago. Guess I won't be doing that now. 😂 Funny though I just checked the web after this viddy and you can find them. Thanks for the info and presentation. Cheers dude! 🥃🍻🫡🏴☠️🇺🇸
FYI on My Isha poor infield it had two tabs that were braised onto the receiver and one onto the magazine so you could not remove the magazine it was rigged to be loaded from the top either loose rounds or stripper Clip
I have a couple Lancers. They’re pretty cool (got them for the G36/XM8 vibes) however they are the least reliable out of the four kinds I use (Gen 2 and 3 windowed PMAGs, Okay SureFeeds). They rarely give me any issues, but my other mags have (knock on wood) never given me any issues.
Was going to say why isn't Glock making a magazine. Never heard of KCI. Never thought of using Titanium sheet metal. I've seen many tests, the magpul and lancer do the best. Steel and aluminum magazines bend and may become unusable. Brownells sells a tool for fixing them. I like having both, but even Magpul are good in cold weather. With a ranger base plate you strengthen the magpul a lot.
Play the Gen 3 pmags have TH-cam videos of their testing and they will continue to work just fine when the lips are cracked. I have okay industries pmags And dura mags . Also followers and springs are available from Magpul
I don't understand the lightweight statement/ argument for polymer mags. I've weighed them out my USGI production mags from Okay, Brownells, Colt,Center and adventure line and they weigh less then my Pmags gens 2-3 . I feel like its a talking point everyone excepts and doesn't look into. Sure perhaps pound per pound of material used the polymer in a Pmag is lighter but the magazine walls are thicker on the pmags vs the USGI and there are issues with older mag pouches and Pmags regarding mag fitment because of the width.
Play the Gen 3 pmags have TH-cam videos of their testing and they will continue to work just fine when the lips are cracked. I have okay industries pmags And dura mags
The first British magazine use hearkens back to the Lee-Metford on the early Second Boer War when they still initially fought in line formations with volley sights, and it is single loaded in respect organization and cadence of fire with a single magazine issued to be used whenever ordered to fire at will. The issuing of magazines is dropped in the first Lee-Enfields for the first stripper clip use as they fought the Boers with Mausers and they easily saw the practicality of it and almost started issuing the the P13 Mauser-style rifle in a new higher velocity cartridge. It never came back in popularity and issue in the Great War due to economic scale and reliability concerns on horrid environments aside from the occasional use of magazines for static trench rifles, even custom made 20 rounder ones for such purpose. The removable magazine functionality remained in the as it did not inhibit the designs as its later variants and used for maintainability and refurbishing purposes but with magazines that are not universally interchangeable and made no conscious effort in doing so with one often being hand-fitted to a rifle in the inter-wars and throughout WW2
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER and now you know! Thanks Echo as usual.
I'm a US Army vet introduced to the M16 in '86.
In all those years, I've ended up gravitating to PMags, Dura Mags and USGI mags upgraded with Magpul followers/springs.
I don't like any mag that "puts your round count on blast" - if YOU can see it, YOUR ENEMY can see it.
Also, shiny metal on your kit (ie brass in a "see through" mag) will get you "offed" in a tactical environment
Woah holy shit ! I seriously hope that one clip in the intro doesn't get you in trouble with TH-cam. Thank you for putting it in the video though, people need to be in touch with the reality of this stuff.
@@perfectly.sane.behaviour absolutely. TH-cam’s problem was the “high cap mags” not the that footage
Shhhhh
@@Papawsaurus According to TH-cam your 'Shhhh' translates into English as 'Shhhhh' with five 'h' rather than American English four 'h'. Ok I'm a nerd and found this humorous and interesting.
@@billalumni9142😂😂😂
Knocking these out with how thorough you are, this is the content I wish I had decades ago thanks
@@BlaineKK37 thank you for the support
I discovered DURAMAG and managed to buy about 4, then they stopped making them. Story of my life. Always a day late and a dollar short.
Enjoyed your content that I've seen so far. Look forward to future videos.
Ahah that’s how it goes, cheers mate
who said they are discontinued?
@@nelsonr1467 As I understand OKAY went out of business , or at least stopped making mags. GunMagWarehouse no longer lists them. I bought some of the last they sold on their site.
DURAMAG is still in business...OKAY Industries has ceased making AR-15 Mags
@@michaelbarfield528 Right! I don't know where my brain went! I meant OKAY MAGS. I guess him mentioning DuraMags threw me off. That's the brand I went to after Okay Mags. Thx for straightening me out.
Thanks ! Great information.
@@icescrew1 cheers mate
Big fan of M3s, the 20 round M3s can be especially handy.
Good info. Early 90's in the military they had us down load M16 magazines that had been fully loaded, in storage for 10yrs. No issues from the mags. P-mags, I have some green 1st gen AR15 mags loaded for almost a decade now. They stopped the green because the dye compromised the mags. I have had zero issues with these mags breaking, cracking, not feeding. Now Pmag Glock mags, will only use them on the range. Had some loaded for a few months and the follower was dragging causing malfunctions. KCI, had some for AK's and other weapons when they first came out and they were subpar, that may have changed, will have to give them a try again.
Kci ak mag they stamped the followers off kilt a bit. The gen 2 fixed that. The gen 1 was ok till the last rd or 2 . The 40s they made a ton so forever the gen 1 was still available. You’ll know immediately when u stick the first rd in and it’s a little sloppy . It should push tight against the right side of the mag.
One thing I’ve noticed is that the metal usgi mags work better with any mag webbing kit. They slide in and out better and fit better.
Duramag is great and their 20 rounders are good for retro builds that actually work.
I love the stainless steel mags from duramag.
@@G.W-01 one of my favourites
NGL I was not expecting to see someone getting dropped in the intro like that XD
Very informative, thanks for sharing
In my time in the service I’ve seen Gen 3 windowed PMAGs, Okay Industry SureFeeds, and upgraded Colt GI Mags. All perform excellent.
Another excellent video from my favorite British import!
Rah! YES! I needed this kind of video actually, thank you so much :D
Fantastic presentation. Well done! Cheers!
Usgi/duramags are the best looking and looking cool is all that matters. This guy gets it
Have a few P-Mags but have been using stainless steel Dura Mags in my AR's and my AK. Have had no issues. I also keep them fully loaded.
Definitely enjoying the content! Thanks!!!
I've been using the ok mags since the 80's. My drill sergeants we're Vietnam vets an those were the ones we were told to dig out of the crates . 😁. So ingrained in my head I still look for them, have some pmags too, never had a failure. Even have a bunch of old Israeli orlite polymer mags, they are strictly for training as they are prone to breaking an spewing cartridges like a fountain😂
Good video
MAN I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS. JUST WHAT I NEEDED IN MY LIFE. THANKS A LOT .
An informative video, cheers. I have a couple of the old Sanchez mags, and yes, I sometimes have feeding issues with them and so don't generallyuse them anymore. Like many people, I now use P mags, never had a problem with them so far. Keep up the good work.
Those KCI mags look great. They make me think of yhe concept behind Glock mag's being metal encased in polymer.
You should weigh all the mags I'm pretty sure the aluminum ones are lighter then the plastic ones
@@popinmo honestly the other factors are more important in deciding. You need to carry ammo, Get fitter and carry more in the right mag
@@Echo_Mike sorry man im 80 years old i cant carry anymore nore can my wife she is only 4,11 and my son is disabled he cant carry more then 2lbs
Great video, all relevant topics. Remember friends don't let friends do ProMags. Thanks.
Very well done, just the intro got me. Excellent work, solid sub from me, one gun channel to another
Cheers mate, right back at you 💯
Thank you for taking time to make this video.
@@alvaroeloredo cheers mate
I got 10 steelies in 1 pack and started noticing random jams. A few range trips later i identified one mag as the culprit. Made exactly the same as the others, but for some reason it was jist a tiny bit wider, so it jammed.
Excellent Video, thanks
Excellent information!
Great video, I am hoping to try out the new Magpul T-mags soon. I love magpuls and my okay industries.
I almost exclusively use pmags now, ive noticed they run any loads with flat nose bullets like open tip or soft points far better than any other mags I have
I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but I’ve had Pmags loaded (to 29) for years without issues. I’ve got one that’s sat loaded for about 10 years now and I haven’t noticed any issues that. I’m just a civilian though.
Loading only 29 rounds is the dumbest myth in the gun community 😂 no professionals who run thousands of rounds ever load 29. If your gun can’t run full 30 rnds then you need a better weapon
@ I agree that it’s not universal, I started doing it with a department owned AR that was passed around shift by shift. It didn’t like tactical reloads with 30 rounds for whatever reason.
In all my years I've only had 1 pmag (m4 gen2) fail, but that was due to it taking a hard drop.
Never had any issues with the aluminum gi style ones either aside from occasionally scratching the crap out of my thumb nail while loading fast.
For KCI I've only used their glock mags, 1 of 4 was doa and the other 3 had feeding issues with anything heavier than 115gr fmj so they're for training along with the pmags (which have spring bind up issues even after cleaning and using brass case).
Just do not get Promag...back when I was young and didn't know much about firearms I got some and none of them were ever reliable or even worked regardless of what platform they went to.
Duramags and clear lacers are my preference, especially over the clear pmags people are talkin about
Tmags, for anyone wondering what the clear pmags are called
Great review! Sadly OKAY Industries no longer manufactures any AR-15 magazines...
Any modern production aluminum mag with magpul followers and quality springs will work and can stay loaded for decades and function
HAAH! I actually have one of those "RG" magazines. I found it in the field while doing training at Marche les Dames Commando Training Center back in Febuary 92'. I'm surprised that its a crap magazine. I considered it one of my best that I carried as it worked perfectly. 😂 I was even trying to find more to buy like 15 years ago. Guess I won't be doing that now. 😂 Funny though I just checked the web after this viddy and you can find them. Thanks for the info and presentation. Cheers dude! 🥃🍻🫡🏴☠️🇺🇸
Cheers mate
With the Lancer mags a stripper clip guide will slip off. I have done this myself and I am not just repeating something. Cheers
The USGI mags I have hold paint just fine for me.
First 3 seconds in and i was like "yep, that got flagged"
@@LSMG2004 they hate reality
I have all kinds of mags but in the end the Vietnam era 20 rounders are still my favorite.
@@markwhite6782 they’re a vibe for sure
For Cold Weather/Arctic training/fighting bring metal mags. I've had numerous pmags break in the extreme cold.
@@fmyles3 same
For training and practice, SHK mags (Korean new manufacture HK steel mag clones) are a steal at 6 dollars a pop. They're heavy as shit though.
FYI on My Isha poor infield it had two tabs that were braised onto the receiver and one onto the magazine so you could not remove the magazine it was rigged to be loaded from the top either loose rounds or stripper Clip
Mike have you done a video on the chest rig you’re wearing in the video?
Thank you for the mag video. Good info.
I have a couple Lancers. They’re pretty cool (got them for the G36/XM8 vibes) however they are the least reliable out of the four kinds I use (Gen 2 and 3 windowed PMAGs, Okay SureFeeds). They rarely give me any issues, but my other mags have (knock on wood) never given me any issues.
What are your thoughts on the E lander mags?
I’ve never had any issue with any of my various KCI magazines.
Stainless steel mags for me
Was going to say why isn't Glock making a magazine. Never heard of KCI. Never thought of using Titanium sheet metal.
I've seen many tests, the magpul and lancer do the best. Steel and aluminum magazines bend and may become unusable. Brownells sells a tool for fixing them. I like having both, but even Magpul are good in cold weather. With a ranger base plate you strengthen the magpul a lot.
what chest rig and pouches are you wearing? I like how it sits so flat and isn’t bulging out.
@@ChristopherWilliams-v2n mayflower MKIV
@ thank you
Play the Gen 3 pmags have TH-cam videos of their testing and they will continue to work just fine when the lips are cracked. I have okay industries pmags And dura mags . Also followers and springs are available from Magpul
What do you think about FN 5.56 30rd steel magazines?
@@RedDevil5081 never used them
ARC magazines are cool
Hope the 2022 Russian getting smoked in the intro doesn't hurt monetization 😬
@@RAMZAVFX I’m here to show reality and share info, video got de monetised. I could care less, im keeping it up
Very interesting mag info. Now, does this info apply to mags that are not designed for the AR platform ?
@@thomas-i5o7h no other platforms are different
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I don't understand the lightweight statement/ argument for polymer mags. I've weighed them out my USGI production mags from Okay, Brownells, Colt,Center and adventure line and they weigh less then my Pmags gens 2-3 . I feel like its a talking point everyone excepts and doesn't look into. Sure perhaps pound per pound of material used the polymer in a Pmag is lighter but the magazine walls are thicker on the pmags vs the USGI and there are issues with older mag pouches and Pmags regarding mag fitment because of the width.
Play the Gen 3 pmags have TH-cam videos of their testing and they will continue to work just fine when the lips are cracked. I have okay industries pmags And dura mags
The first British magazine use hearkens back to the Lee-Metford on the early Second Boer War when they still initially fought in line formations with volley sights, and it is single loaded in respect organization and cadence of fire with a single magazine issued to be used whenever ordered to fire at will. The issuing of magazines is dropped in the first Lee-Enfields for the first stripper clip use as they fought the Boers with Mausers and they easily saw the practicality of it and almost started issuing the the P13 Mauser-style rifle in a new higher velocity cartridge. It never came back in popularity and issue in the Great War due to economic scale and reliability concerns on horrid environments aside from the occasional use of magazines for static trench rifles, even custom made 20 rounder ones for such purpose. The removable magazine functionality remained in the as it did not inhibit the designs as its later variants and used for maintainability and refurbishing purposes but with magazines that are not universally interchangeable and made no conscious effort in doing so with one often being hand-fitted to a rifle in the inter-wars and throughout WW2