How Much Ammo Should You Carry?
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 เม.ย. 2024
- Get trained through the Grunt Academy!
Online Seminars:
www.gruntproof.us/p/seminars....
In-person courses:
www.gruntproof.us/p/training.... The Reconnaissance Cast
/ @budgibson185
CONTACT GRUNT PROOF
www.gruntproof.us/
My Helmet:
www.hardheadveterans.com/prod...
Code: gruntproof
GEAR I USE
www.amazon.com/shop/gruntproof
NEVER MISS AN UPDATE AGAIN: JOIN THE SITREP:
c41b3872.sibforms.com/serve/M...
#gruntproof #tacticool
I went to Iraq with 7 mags, the standard load out. Half way through the deployment I was carrying 15 on every patrol. Ammo is like money.... there's never enough when you absolutely need it
Out of genuine curiosity and a need for information were these at immediate access or were some in your pack thank you man.
i bet there were guys asking you for mags when they ran out too!
Same for me in Afghanistan. I'd carry ten extra mags in my pack.
Yeah I'm not planning on going to either Iraq, nor Afghanistan. If America sees that level of combat....we're going to have way worse things to kill us than just gun fights. Starvation, disease, etc. Odds of most of us even surviving a firefight where we reload once or twice is pretty damn slim
@@danahowerton9638 I kept 6 on my flak (2 double mag pouches, 2 single mag pouches) and I moved them more to my sides so I could get lower to the ground if I had to go prone. So 6 on my flak, 1 in my weapon and 8 in my private purchased assault pack. And FYI my assault pack, which I still have and use, is the Spec Ops THE Pack.
When can you have too much ammo?
1. You just fell off the boat into deep water.
2. You are on fire.
During night time small boat insertions where the entire thing win or lose is resolved with a handful of weapon discharges it's absolutely critical to carry 12 magazines + another 8 for your pistol so you can just sink and die efficiently if you fall.
Speaking as a sea goung bell hop (Marine), you put a water proof bag in your pack and seal it with a twist tie. Now your pack floats. Idc if I'm on a carrier, if I'm feet wet, I have that bag in my pack.
That's funny as F...
Naw because your plate carrier has you fubar regardless of mag load out in both cases lol
😂
Vietnam Vet here, at 126 pounds, I carried 100 pounds of gear that started with 25 mags and as many stripper clips as I could find. Our mags were 20s but usually carried only 18 due to irrational fears of spring issues. After my first "out of ammo patrol" I ended up carrying even more ammo. We carried 2 gallons of water (8 quart canteens) and refilled anywhere we could. Our patrols were 14 day unless we were stuck. I was shot twice and at 75 today have scars showing from frags, RPGs, mortars and bullet burns. Kids, talk to the old guys!
Welcome home ❤
@@jeffreygreene7574 Thank you!
Hell u were probably also carrying a 100 round belt also for the machine gunner… loaded down like a pack mule
@@carlkidd9571 Also 2 radio batteries...
🎯🎯🎯 Those are some wise words from a wise man. And wisdom comes from experience
Ammo, water, socks. That get's you through many things.
Per the Fat Electrician: "Caffeine, nicotine, and hate" should get you through the rest...😂
@@piratecat990 yup. I was gonna add nicotine to his short list. You beat me to it
....Rifle
My WWII Father always said that.! ✳️⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐✳️👍
You just lost the war son because you forgot the motrin 😂
As much ammo and water as possible.
I figured how to carry 16+ mags, if needed, on my RRV while maintaining only 2mags per pouch on the front 4 pouches so going prone isn’t keeping me up too high
Now to up PT and rucking. Just found a nice trail for rucking that’s 28.2 miles long one way!
having just got back from a nice rain-soaked hump and observing all the overflowing ponds and creeks around here, I couldn't help but chime in that sometimes water is easily replenished, ammo, not so much. 😉
Yeah, water is a MUST!!! I always pack 3-4 granola bars if I really get the munchies while hunting. But no kidding. You definitely need to pack water and carbs. You can't eat or drink ammo in reality. A decent pack load is really important to consider beforehand. I'm prepping, but lack body armor right now
@@brettnecessary2266 I used to rock a plate carrier but sold it to buy belt kit. If I was you I would avoid body armour and get belt kit like ALICE or SMERSH instead.
And some gum. I gotta have gum.
I've never heard anyone say after a gunfight say, "I was carrying too much ammo."
They do say "I was carrying too much."
And also say "I wasn't carrying enough X" where X isn't ammo.
Everyone wants more of everything! Everyone wants to be weighed down less.
This is not a simple dilemma.
So there I was playing escape from tarkov, I had at least a 1000rds of 556 plus my m4, plus the 12 other guns I was carrying as loot. My stamina bar was draining so fast. One thing I was thinking was I wish I didn't carry all this ammo.
I feel like I'd be that guy just to agitate my sergeant.
Extra ammo seems pretty light when you know it may save your ass.
and it gets lighter fast, as you consume it.
That's how I feel about the plate carrier too. I love his videos but don't understand why he always says not to bother? I feel like 6 pounds of armor is well worth it's weight when it could save your life.
@@iplayfenderbass1 depends upon the situation. for most real-world minuteman stuff, it does not make sense.
Nothing is saving you in an ambush by a group. The best way to stay out of an ambush is to not do patrols. This isn't Band of Brothers.
@@Murderface666 all the veterans who've survived ambushes prove you wrong. There is more than one way to avoid being ambushed as well.
"Carry enough ammo for the fight you don't want to be in" Skully SOE
"I never heard of anyone complaining about having too much ammo in a fight" - Clint Smith
Skullcap a cool guy. Aside from youtube land.
What fantasy fight are people here seriously excepting beyond the retard looking to rob you at a gas-station?
One in the gun, seven mags on my chest rig, three more molle'd to the hydration pack, and six additional in the patrol pack. I well remember the identical statements made to me by two separate, well decorated combat vets... "You can NEVER have too much ammo!"
I regularly hear it put in the format of “you never have too much ammo… unless you’re drowning or on fire”
This💯
17 mags, so 510 rounds? Damn. That's enough ammo to get you through just about any firefight.
My personal setup is 12 mags on the plate carrier, 1 in the gun, 4 on the battle belt and 3 spares in my pack. But my setup is for a G3 platform (PTR-91) load so I'm carrying 400 rounds of 3-0-Hate.
@shockwave6213 I have to admit that I'm either carrying the patrol pack (with water onboard) OR the hydration pack, not both at the same time. So, at most, 14 mags (420 rnds). Your 3-0-hate is a heavier load, in a few ways! 👍😉
Running out of ammo is terrifying, nuff said.
and when you run out you'd give anything fo rmore
@@mtnbound2764 My dad was also a war vet, he told me before going in that if I was ever in a firefight I'd truly understand the pucker factor. I think that was a pretty good description, what a cluster fuck feeling :)
You run out of ammo and it’s no longer a gunfight for you.
Just thinking about a time I did run out of ammo makes me feel sick! After that experience I always had 12-15 loaded mags. Pockets full of ammo, ammo everywhere! That time I did run out of ammo was terrifying and a helpless feeling I never want to experience again!
@@sauliluolajan-mikkola620 Knife fighting during a gun battle is bad for the health ^5
If you are carrying n magazines, you will end up needing n+1.
The average CCW actually needs zero. I get the logic behind carrying extra ammo, but real life picking up plants at Home Depot and driving to and from work is not the freaking Tet Offensive
14 magazines was our standard SOP.
Shoot, shoot often, shoot a lot, I can get more ammo later, I cannot get more of you.
How many rounds in the mag?
I was in a unit that had the Delta guys teach only carrying 5 mags--2 on each side of your vest and 1 in the weapon. The reason was that we were in an urban area and climbing over a lot of walls and in windows, etc. We kept the front relatively slick for that reason. HOWEVER--we were MECHANIZED. We had HMMWV's and MRAP's absolutely laden with loaded mags and bekts never more than a block away. We slso had a support platoon. Outside of this specific situation, you need a combat load. Regarding recon, I spent most of my time in a sniper section and we carried two combat loads a piece. QRF might be 15 minutes away, but thats a LONG 15 .inutes if people know where youre at and theyre trying to kill you. Also--Army doctrine is 3:1 odds whenver posdible. Meaning, if you come into contact with an enemy firce, you break contact unless you have 3:1 odds. Overwhelming firepower. Most "real" firefights are lots of suppressive fire with indirect or close air support doing the real killing. If things really collapse, we won't have ibdurect, we won't have CAS, and we probably won't even have machineguns. Every magazine counts. Every magazine is approximately one minute you will have a say in whether someone else kills you or not. Finally, you have to be able to carry it. While running. For speed and for distance.
Blah, blah, blah--I'll shut up now.
I wonder if those guys were in Somalia. Because all the Delta guys who ever talked about that day talk about running low in ammo and scrambling to scrounge up ammo or sending guys to retrieve ammo dropped out of helicopters, pre-speedball days.
3 things that stick out from their talks was water, ammo, and never leave behind the NVG.
@thmsmgnm the movie doesn't do the book justice, and the book (as I discovered in my youth) is an invaluable source of info regarding the reality of urban firefights - even for the uninitiated civvie.
I still have that book 25 years later.
Please continue the rant - good advice there!
‘Fortunately for me, the Major in his spit shined boots, starched stateside fatigues and nice shiny belt buckle didn't notice the FTA on my helmet. My once black boots had been completely scuffed to a grayish tan after two months in the field. I carried my particular sixty-plus pound standard basic combat load (in the field there'd be at least an additional LAW and Claymore). I stood there with M-16, tin pot, seven hundred and fifty rounds of 5.56 mm ammo, four frags, three full one quart canteens, entrenching tool with pick, a bayonet, a parachute flare, a trip flare and a half-dozen cans of C rations in old socks tied on the back of my web gear, and I was wearing the same sweaty, faded, brown stained jungle fatigues that I’d worn for two months. We lived in separate realities.
Thanks for the education Randall. Us civilians who have zero experience in the real world but who are concerned about what’s coming need to hear this stuff. Not some Rambo fantasy. Keep it coming.
agreed, never served im 53 next month training best i can.
@@KYAg227 We'll as a former grunt, patrolling will get you killed, because you're the one moving. There's videos that prove it. When Kardashianstan (Armenia) and Azerbaijan were going at it, Azerbaijan soldiers ambushed an entire platoon, laying them all dead in well under a minute. In Israel, Palestinians posted a video recently where 3 Israeli soldiers got ambushed, eating a hail of bullets. Only one attempted to fight back, because the Palestinians thought he was dead. One of the soldiers freaked out and tried to run after seeing the lead guy flop. So if you're patrolling, you're just asking to be a target. Eyes attract to irregular things moving.
Citizens, never civilians. Don't use that term made up by the military, to make soldiers think they're better than us. Nobody is more important than the US citizen.
@@Murderface666 sounds kinda like hunting honestly. Everything else is gonna find you first if you go stomping around through the woods, you sit and wait. And if you move, you move carefully and quietly to the next concealed position so you can be the one to find the game, or the enemy, moving and be able to see them first so you can plan and actually do something.
I’m old but many years ago I worked as a LRRP. With all of the shit we had to carry, ammo was always the most important. The old adage of “travel light, freeze at night” probably started like that. Comfort items like poncho liners or an extra poncho were left behind for a couple extra mags or at least ammo on stripper clips. I kept 12 mags on my belt and another 10 in the ruck. Our order of importance…ammo, water, grenades, socks, optics and everything else. A 100 pound ruck was the norm. Six men down range and often beyond the reach of help, have to carry a lot of gear. When the shit hits the fan and you’re being hunted, what do you want to have. Four more mags or a poncho liner.
More years ago than I will admit, I was a leg infantry squad leader. You would not be able to get me into theater with only 4 mags. It would take a hell of a lot more than that to even consider going near the wire, let alone outside of it.
I get your point but a poncho liner dont weigh nothing.
@@JeffHanauer light weight yes, but they took up so much space. I always choose food over the poncho liner if we were going to be out for long. You can put a lot of ramen or rice in the space that a poncho liner takes up.
I’m here to tell you brother, that woobie fits into your cargo pouch.
@@blackhawk7r221 Yep, you can shove that in there and give all of the wait a minute vines something extra to grab hold of. Not to even mention what it would have smelled like after being submerged in a swamp for a couple hours. Mosquito net and that green towel was enough for the few hours of sleep we got at night.
when I was a rifleman in the marine corps we each carried at least 7 mags on patrol in Iraq, and then on top of that had a marine with a day pack filled with spares in case we got stuck for a while. you can never have enough ammo if you think you may get hit.
Great points. The military has ammo resupply. In SHTF, you only have what you carry. If you've had to leave your house and have no ammo supply nearby, you're screwed. As a civilian out in the woods, ammo and water are king.
Good vid and point bro. I carried 16-20 mags and 4 bandoleers in 1980 and 6 canteens, it sucked, but when rounds was flying you forgot about it. We didn't have vests, just our LBE
We reported back to company or Div 😊
I'm bringing a red wagon full of magazines with me. This is some excellent information man. The Coors Light visual aids are great, definitely keep them going.
I second all that.
😂😂😂 you sir, rock!
Radio Flyer resupply is actually pretty fucking rad. I like it.
@joshuajones6513 that's exactly the ol' red wagon I was thinking about as I wrote that.
@@KirkHermary I know. We old folks are still out here.
Coors LIght Tactics lol, I'm down for these lessons any day.
Facts
Make it real interesting and make it 80 proof fifths!!!
Using beer as a prop speak to me on a spiritual level.....well I guess beer in general does 🤷♂
14 was most common in Somalia and Iran. Full 7 issued, 210 rounds. Another 7 in your day/mission pack, and as much water as you can carry.
Some of us carried a few spare mags near the bottom of our packs too.
Ammo and water are two of the heaviest things you HAVE to carry, but they are, by far, the two most important consumable items you don't want to run out of.
No lie about the water. You could drink a quart in 15 minutes and still be dehydrated in Iraq. And that's without moving around.
I carried 13 mags in Iraq and Afghanistan. 12 on my rig and 1 in my rifle. 5 times I was on my last 1-2 mags before I got access to resupply. Not for lack or fire discipline. On the contrary. If you find yourself initially reacting to contact, suppressing, then firing at a sustained rate for fire and movement…and that lasts or has intermittent engagements over a period of a few minutes to an hour depending on intensity, you can easily notice how light your rig suddenly feels because you have burned through the majority of your ammo.
As a fellow U.S. Army Combat Veteran, you make a lot of great & valid points. At a minimum, Seven 30 round magazines need to be carried, because that is a combat load. 👍🏾🇺🇸
Excellent vid. I'm ex-Navy, no ground experience, so stuff like this from guys like you .... is gold ....Thanks!!
"Carry all the ammo and water you can on your person." ~ CSM Don Purdy
I think he was my brothers CSM in 3rd Ranger BN in the late 80s. He submitted a training plan where all of the Rangers were shot in the leg with a 22 - then ruck march, so they knew what it was like.
@@OldMusicFan83wtf are you talking about
In the late 90s we (Canadian infantry) were shown a new load bearing vest that we were about to be issued. All pouches were sewn in position and it was not modify-able. We criticized it for only having 4 mag pouches. The rep from HQ sputtered about that being all we needed. Afterall, your EIS (eqpt issue scale) was only 5 mags. We jumped on him verbally and pointed out that this was for peacetime... war was different. We cited examples (as you do at the end of the video). I read an account of Australian soldiers in Vietnam who had back packs with additional mags that, when added to their belt kit, would total 20... and these were steel FAL mags with 7.62 rds in them!
By the time I overcame some medical issues and did my first deployment to Afghanistan, we'd been there for 8 yrs. Luckily we'd learned some valuable lessons. Despite just being there in a staff weenie capacity, I was still issued 10 mags and 300 rds of ammo... standard for every soldier on the deployment - regardless of their job. Of course the LBV I had still only had 4 mag pouches... can't have everything...
Still the same most Australians will still carry as much ammo as possible regardless of what some of our directives are.
And that vest with only 4 mag pouches is still the issued tac vest today (they tell you to use the side pouches, but it's not really ideal). Now you see a lot of guys just pay out of pocket for their own vest/plate carrier/chest harness to make up for shortcomings in our kit.
@@kutter_ttl6786 My second time to Afg I had bought (from CP Gear) 2, 2xmag envelope-style mag holders that wedge behind the basic pouch on one side and the water bottle on the other. This, with the one on the rifle, would provide 9 mags fairly handy. This kept the basic pouch relatively free for other needed items.
Mag storage for the Browning was another issue...
3-4 in a chest rig sounds about right for a SWAT team executing a search warrant or dealing with a couple of barricaded bank robbers. Everyone else... it's a little light. "Amateurs study tactics, pro study logistics" has been quoted to death, but when your log is what you're carrying turns into "carry more ammo".
FACTS bro, on point and great examples.
Minimum combat load I had in the Army was 8 (7 on rig and 1 in the gun) with at least 3 or more in my patrol bag (on top of all my 40mm ammo and an extra nutsack for the SAW gunner, and then more in our Humvees), in Contracting we also run a minimum of 8 (same deal) and a metric shitton more in our vehicles and get home bags (very reliant on that per the nature of the work).
Just on my personal Chest Rig, it can hold 8 to 10 AR Mags (if I'm not carrying a radio and other bits and bobs, then +1 in the gun be that a drum, 40 rounder or coupled mags, whatever) and have a minimum of 3 to 5 or more mags in my day patrol bag.
Same deal for LBE's, should be no less than 8 on the rig and 1 in the gun along with whatever else you have with you to carry some more. That's a base minimum standard everyone should have/ attain.
8 mags on rig + 1 in the gun and exactly enough ammo in the pack to reload all primary mags once, some of said ammo usually in spare mags for emergency use or a quick refit.
@@theGhostofRoberttheBruce Yeah pretty much in any configuration thereof, if you wanna carry 8-10 more loaded mags in your day/ patrol pack too, do it, whatever works and fills the need of a proper combat load plus.
At that point just quit the damn war. Sheesh. How are your knees and back?
@@User78813 Ahhh no these are practical TTP's for adequate operational load capacity.
There is a difference to a combat/ patrol load and a sustainment load (with a large Rucksack). Operational practices are to stage your sustainment load once at your established PB/ OP/ COP/ whatever and then regulate equipment for priority only for patrol load, so you're shedding weight and staying as light as possible while having what you need with you.
A combat/ patrol load is nothing compared to a full sustainment load moving on foot, your knees and back should not be hurting at all with a patrol load.
I've been on both ends of the spectrum - I was the dude carrying a minimum of 12 mags on body and 10+ in a team bag every time I went for a walk, then cut back to 7 mags (6 in the rig and 1 in the blaster) when our DA ops got a little more up-tempo and shorter duration...then we got stuck on a hillside, pinned by a DShKM, and everyone went dry in the 3+ hours that followed - I'm still here because an Apache saved our a$$es.
I went back to carrying a minimum of 420 rounds on body.
The moral of the story is told for me around the 9:04 of this video.
I wish you were drinking Banquet instead of Light...
I told my wife all the time that “You can never have enough ammo.” She thinks I am crazy while she stock up on lipstick.
I've been arguing with people for years brother keep spreading the word hopefully they'll listen to you we do not have a resupply we do not have a medical tent to go back to with surgeons people need to understand this is not about looking cool and having fun if you're not willing to actually die for your cause stay at home people need to be running through the woods right now with a plate carrier and plenty of mags with stripper clips in your bag ready to feed your mags I pray that God bless this Republic and keep it even though I feel that we no longer deserve it
Amen amen and amen brother
I'm a precision rifle shooter and I agree.... I want as much as I can push pull and drag .....ammo ammo ammo and more
As a Marine Infantry Plt Sgt with combat experience before 2003 Iraq, I learned to carry extra ammo, the number 1 priority. When we went into Iraq, I carried 10 perso mags, 9 preloaded mags (3 per squad), and six bandoleers (2 per squad) of ammo. There were many a firefight we got into, where my perso mags went down to 1 or 2 just for myself.
So, I totally agree with your assessment. Carrying 4 mags into a fight is only asking to be killed before the fight even starts; that is how quickly ammo disappears in real-life combat.
A thing I would like to add is I see a lot of guys train as if once they take contact they immediately bound to the contact or break contact. The truth is the first thing you should do is immediately seek cover you are not going to last long by thinking you can just immediately start pushing towards contact with out seeking some type of cover. Super important and I feel like way to many ppl train to react and they push or break contact but none of them are actually reacting to contact and rushing to cover immediately.
As much as you can carry- then take everything the dead guys had. ♾️ ammo cheat code.
Civilian here. I have a few rigs for different purposes. A chest rig with four mags and medical staged with my HD rifle, a couple of larger chest rigs for general purpose use, plate carrier+battle belt, PLCE webbing for a get home rig, an ‘83 pattern South African battle jacket that holds ten mags and a gallon of water and medical without even trying, and a few other options. Pretty sure I’m not going to not make it for want of gear or ammo….. Now to get that cardio up…..
My thought process has always been exactly as you said, I don’t have belt feds, Carl g’s, overwatch, a drone over head or air support… I need to be able to lay down as much firepower as possible.
As much as possible... thats your answer. Ammo will supply you with all other needs and wants
Thank you for keeping things real & the Coors light tactics work for me. I was a maintainer on Navy jets so I started from scratch in the personal kinetics field . The Marines I have had an opportunity to ask about this subject agree with you whole heartedly. If you think you have enough your wrong.
I remember my dad talking to me about Vietnam. I cant remember his exact load out. He ran supply convoys. He said he didn't have to worry about weight because he had a truck. M14 and probably 50 mags between what was on him, ruck and an ammo crate he took out of the truck with him.
I’ve watched every John Wick movie 12 times. I should be able to take on a well trained, platoon sized element with a G19 and one and a half mags!
But, John Wick had cheat codes, for ammo, health and such ; )
I always make sure to be able to carry a minimum of 10 mags on my chest rig or plate carrier and belt. I keep a 40 rounder in the gun and 6-10 more in my patrol pack
390, 12 mags in my rig and 1 in the rifle. Plus whatever I toss in my pack.
I'm an old retired Zoomie and even in the AF I thought the standard load out was a joke. State side it was only 4 magazines. When I was at Kunsan AB ROK it was only 7 and during exercises we'd often run out of ammo. When I went out as Red team, I carried as many as I could cram into pouches, pockets and even packs, but then we were just 6 guys against an entire base.
You may not be looking for a firefight, but a firefight may be looking for you.
All the mags and ammo.
Yazzz ammo, ammo, ammo.. Thanks for your no BS assessment of this. I laugh when guys say they carry a full load out lol.... in the SHTF scenario you need to be carrying at least 10 mags loaded along with rounds on stripper clips in your assault pack to reload them! Enough said and excellent info bro! You are clearly speaking from experience as I and I'm picking up what you are putting down bro!
Plenty of mags, water, salt and some sugar.
As a civilian you will have zero support… I just say have multiple load outs for different things… have a bandolier and honestly you need as much ammo as you can carry…. I think the biggest thing is when is it too much…. Most people with sense get have a lot of it…but when is it too much?
when you are back on your side of the wire getting chow and some zees
This right here. You shouldn't need twelve mags for home defense. I have a four mag chest rig staged with my HD rifle... But serious SHTF usage? 100%. As much ammo as possible is the way.
You need as much ammo as you can realistically physically carry for assaults/raids, ambushes, etc, especially if you're operating as a partisan/guerrilla in a small unit in an asymmetrical fight.
@@theGhostofRoberttheBruce agreed, only thing is a lot of things will play into how much you can bring.. are you using vehicles or not , how far do you have to go.. how many are in the squad you’re working with.. things like that.. in my mind though the most important things are Ammo then water, some medical, but I guess that’s why I’m a unit some guys carry different amounts of something then others, in your personal preparing you have to do it all and that’s why it can get complicated
@RedDawnReadiness it truly is a slow process of stocking and training, stocking and training. Both can pay dividends even without SHTF too which makes the whole prep process easier to stomach as a way to spend stupid amounts of cash.
We used to carry 22 mags, 2 frags, one LAW, one claymore and a pound of C4, plus a case of C-rations. That was our body armor too. We would fire the LAW in the first or second firefight so we wouldn't have to carry it any further.
I am a veteran of a thousand pyschic wars.. for real.. great channel thanks grunt
I’ve been running an ELBV kit. 6 mags on the chest, 6 mags on the waist. It also carries 2 quarts of water on the belt and I run a 2 or 5 liter camelback in a backpack. I have been doing some hikes with that weight and it’s very manageable if you train. You could run a slick plate carrier under the kit as well.
SOG were even filling up their canteen covers with mags. One guy interviewed said he never even bought his weapon to cheek during contact his whole time in Vietnam. Hip fire, mag dumps! Combat vets are such a valuable source of info. Citizens need all the help they can get. Keep the info coming.
SOG had full auto guns. I really wonder how this mag dump relates to the semi.
@@ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven6210 also we're not in 'Nam.
Realistically, it sounds like the SOG guys were probably toting 12-16 30 rounders for combat patrol, you could probably cut down on that to about 8-10 because A. Boogaloo boys rarely have machine guns and 2. Ruggedized, serious optics have gone mainstream which means targets will be easier to reach out and touch without dumping as much unnecessary ammo
@@sheepherder911fyi they didnt have 30 round mags yet only 20s. And they would carry upwards of 30+ mags in addition to claymores, grenades, sidearms and a few rations
@@sheepherder911 no sir. Ten thirty rounders and about twenty 20 rounders. They would take four canteen covers and put one 30 rounder and five 20 rounders in each, and a lot of guys would run a Chicom chest rig with more 30’s. Plus something like 20 grenades for some. The ammo those guys went through was insane.
When I was first in Iraq I went from 7 mags standard and by the end of my first tour I was carrying at least 12 or 13. 7 on me and 5 or 6 more in my assault pack. In Afghanistan I always had 13 fully loaded Mags and a spare ammo can of loose 5.56 in our Mrap. My whole team did that each.
It’s just different
I know swat guys who get out of their trucks with a 20 round mag in their rifle and a 30 round mag in their pocket, play their pistol
I don’t think attempting to duplicate an infantry platoon is the best way to go but if that’s your plan you’re going to need a sh!t of ammo to make up not having indirect fire support, spicy rocks, crew served’s etc etc
I had the otv iba with the side plate carrier,i carried four extra mags in each side plate for a total of twenty one mags.
Great video. As a former USAF guy this was never something we really spoke about, we were more about base defense, where all the ammo is. My thought processes are shifting, thanks for the heads-up.
I'm low on ammo is the last thing you want to hear in a firefight.
Especially coming out of your own mouth.
@@sauliluolajan-mikkola620 That will never happen
The SOF guys probably stole that idea from the guerrillas and insurgents. During the Vietnam war, the Vietcong went with three mags plus one in their riffle. They were light on their feet and they were not there to sustain a firefight but to hit the enemy from an ambush and disappear back in the jungle. That is why they carried only a limited amount of magazines. In this country if a war breakout, insurgents and guerrillas would be better using that tactic. Shoot at the enemy and disappear.
In simplistic terms. Its Halo CE versus Halo 2.
In Halo CE your AR has. 60 round mag, that you can carry 10 spare. That's 600 rounds. Majority of the time that will get you through half or almost all the way through mission without having to resupply or change weapons
In Halo 2 you have a BR with 36 round mag and you can only carry 4 spare.... 120 is what they give you in game. Even though that number doesn't add up to 4 full mags
There is not a single Halo 2 mission that you are not down to you last or second to last mag by the end of each fire fight
My minimum ammo load out was 7 mags of 29 (203rds.) Scout plt.
I can definitely tell you’ve lived it and learned from it while still learning. New sub here. Stay sharp
You should be carrying enough ammo and water on you to fight an estimated enemy three times as strong as what you anticipate fighting. If you think you're going to need 140 rounds to deal with enemy contact. You should be carrying triple that.
I was a Cav Scout many years ago (pre desert wars), I always carried 1 mag in the weapon and 12 in pouches. Old enough to have been trained by Vietnam guys who taught me that you can never have too much ammo.
I was in Ramadi. I kept a bandolier full of mags (6-9) in my truck next to my seat. if I ever had to get out, I could grab that and sling it over my body armor. not ideal in that it can flop around, but at least I always had ammo.
I always preached what I call the "Blackhawk Down scenario", as people tend to understand that reference. Meaning that "you will ALWAYS run out of ammo", and I NEVER wanted to run out of ammo, ever. Ammo is factor in how I stay alive, and I didn't want to die.
This guy puts all the tacticool nerds to shame. Tells it like it is, which is what my grandfather said about combat in WW2. He emphasized that him and his men carried as much ammo as humanly possible. Back then as he explained, there was always an ammo bearer who's only job was to run around and make sure that everyone had a steady flow of ammunition and grenades. Whoever ran out of ammo first would lose the fight, is what he always said.
He fought in France, Italy and Africa and some how made it back alive.
German here. I never served in the army or anything like that, I am a complete layman when it comes to guns, tactics etc. and even I understand the importance of ammo. And any comment in the direction of 'just aim properly' seems absolutely, totally and completely stupid to me.
By the way, one of my grandfathers served as a pioneer in the 6th Army and went all the way through Poland and the USSR to Stalingrad and then, as far as I know, quite a bit of the way back. He was one of the last soldiers escaping the closing cauldron, because his commanding officer loved his men more than the 'Führer' - apparently he 'misread' an order in a way that allowed him to remove the complete platoon (I guess? The german word is 'Zug', which meant up to 60 soldiers) from the line of battle, 'acquired' some trucks in order to 'get material' and then was smart enough to put his small convoy directly behind a transport of wounded soldiers on the last open road.
I am quite sure I would not be here, writing this comment, without this man, because although they were _still_ deep in Russia and deep in the s...now, they at least had a better chance of survival than those poor bastards in the cauldron. I mean, even if they did not get killed im combat, starved or froze to death, from 110.000 soldiers who were taken prisoner of war, less than 6.000 came back from Siberia.
He later got badly wounded and then got redeployed to France, Normandy, where he went into war captivity. Damn, imagine, there is even a possibility that your grandfather captured mine. By the way, as far as I was told by my father, my grandfather had not one good word left for General Paulus.
Sorry for this wall of text and thanks for your patience and interest in case you've made is this far, but I thought I share that story.
@@Furzkampfbomber It's all good man. I also had family fighting with Germany and the Axis powers. At the time, my family consisted of American immigrants, Croatians and Italians. Members of each nationality took part in WW2, so they were everywhere.
I don't know much about other sides of my family other than those in the States, but I do know that I had family fighting in the 13th Waffen Mountain Division(1st Croation), which was composed of many different nationalities.
Anything is possible my friend. My Grandfather who was in the US army had many roles during WW2. He was a scout in an M8 Greyhound, he was an MP, was part of a mortar platoon and even spent some time as one of General Patton's aids. He even walked his dog for him.
Unfortunately though my Grandfather didn't tell me much. It seems like any time he would try, he just couldn't even speak. He met his wife in Europe who was in the Women's Army Core of medics. They came back home after the war and she died young at the age of 32 and I never met her.
@@jamesjl334My grandfather was the same, he did not speak much about the war, which both of our grandfathers have in common with many, if not most war veterans. I guess even talking about the war in general or about positive things (like the comradry or funny stories, which happen even in war, woke sleeping dogs in form of so many really bad memories.
And I mean, holy crap, that war was terrible even in comparison to other wars, but there were events that were... even more gruesome than that war was in general. Names like Montecasino, Nanking, Omaha Beach invoke especially bad collective memories and Stalingrad surely is amongst them.
And its quite interesting to hear about that bit of your family history and how parts of your family were practically everywhere and even fought on _both_ sides. Which shows once more how insane this war was.
And I know about that dividion, it's name was 'Handschar', apparently named after (I had to look the english word up) a traditional persian curved dagger. May I ask if at least parts of your family are or were muslim? I am asking because the 1rst Croatian was a (mostly) muslim SS division. It's full name was 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS, so it was a specialised division of the Waffen SS.
This is by no means meant judgmental in any way, shape or form, I know the Waffen SS had a horrifying reputation in general for a reason, but SS soldier was not SS soldier, there were huge differences between different divisions, bataillons etc. and between single soldiers - it's just that I am a bit of a history buff and I am especially interested in military history, so this is just quite the amazing and interesting historical tidbit for me.
My dad is a doctor and two decades ago, it turned out that in my city quite a lot of WW2 vets were stll alive (and many of them my dads patients, that's why I know this) and even more surprising, really _a lot_ of them were veterans who fought in Africa under Rommel. They had really interesting stories to tell and your story falls into the same category. Which, by the way is also true for what you've told about that family member of yours that walked Pattons dog.
Alright, I guess I should stop here, this already is quite the wall of text, but this conversation and what you have to tell is just too interesting!
@@Furzkampfbomber They were Christian and it's all good. War brings out the worst in people as we all know. Atrocities were committed by all units I'm sure. I've personally seen people killed in real life and have had bullets come my way as well, though I do not believe I was the actual target. I grew up in what you might call a bad place.
Your stories are very interesting as well and I always love reading about family history. I wish we could learn more, but unfortunately it's just not possible.
For example, my Grandmother had close to twenty siblings during the great depression. Their family was too poor to provide for all of them, so many were sent to go work on farms. In the States at least and during the depression, Fathers and Mothers would send their children away to farms where the children would work basically as slaves.
They would be provided food and shelter in return for 12 hour or more days in the sun, picking fruit and harvesting other crops by hand. When the depression was over, many of them returned home. Fast Forward to WW2, mostly if not all of them were drafted or enlisted in the Armed services. From what I've been told, none of them made it home. Only my Grandmother, which met my Grandfather over in Europe.
I know almost nothing about these ancestors. Most of what I know is about my grandfather. One of the few stories he told me didn't involve any death or destruction.
A unit needed Mortar men. They had him load a fire one round. He hit the target dead on and blew it up. They said to him, "you're hired!"
The worst story he ever told me was when he had a few drinks in him. And let me be clear that he never drank. He told me how a handful of men in his unit were sleeping and a Sherman tank drove over them and killed them. One event like that is enough to screw some one up for life.
Imagine living it for 2-5 years. One fucked up situation after another. A person will never heal.
Haha the coors light tactics videos are great. Keep it up 👍
As a patrol officer, I carried 13 30-round AR mags. One in my M4 carbine, three on the front of my active shooter plate carrier, three more in a velcro shingle to loan out at gun calls, and six more in my patrol bag on the front passenger seat in case any of us needed more ammo from my patrol car.
Dude, how many shootings have you been in as cop. I heard Col. Hackworth give that same advice once and it is stupid advice for a cop. Unless, you are on the Southern border and you get ambushed by a cartel. You are never going to need that much ammo as a cop. The north HollyWood shootout would not have needed that much ammo. Remember, there is no collateral damage as a cop. If the they can fry you they will. Stay focused on your job it is dangerous enough as it is.
@supertrooper7403 Thank you. I love that movie. I should watch it right meow.
When hunting with my .308 bolt action I take the box of ammo I opened and 20 to 60 more rounds (pistol rounds included) depending on how long I plan on hiking and where I'm at. North Idaho which has plenty of black bears. Grizzly Bears. Mountain Lions and Wolves. I'd hate to fall, break a leg and only have what's in my rifle and pistol. My back pack for hunting has at least one extra knife also. Plus food, water, socks and the usual. I'd rather carry a heavy pack with to much than not enough.
Ammo? YES.
How much? YES!
Coors Light tactics, are the best tactics.
First time I ran out of ammo in Iraq was dismounted with 6+1 mags. When they got the new MK19 up and running it ended the fight quickly. Good thing we had brown bdu's back then.
Next fire fight about a week later, I was up to 12+1 mags. Was able to get back to the hummer and reload mags, but it sucked when the other guys had an RPD shooting at you.
From that point on I carried 12 mags on my interceptor 1 in gun1l, 1 on the butt stock, 2 saw touches connected with a cold weather canteen strap that held another 16 mags and an identical one in the TC seat. Never ran out of ammo again on the next 4 tours.
The answer to how much ammo to carry is "YES, all of it". I am a civilian with an interest in History. The amount of ammo carried as standard in infantry units has increased dramtically over the last 120 years. The move to intermediate ammo was made specifically to allow extra ammo to be carried. The idea of carrying some loose ammo to reload magazines is also a way of carrying extra ammo at a lower weight,. 7 magazines is at least 210 rounds and that is not enough. I spoke to a guy who was infantry in vietnam and he carried 200 rounds loose (in reality in clips to reload magazines) along with 4 or 5 magazines. Each magazine was only 20 rounds of NATO standard 7.62. Another guy I know was carrying an M-60 and every man in his unit carried two belts of 50 rounds for him and he carried 4 as did his loader. in other words they had lots of ammo. The M-113 would carry tens of thousands of roundsin order to rearm the men.
I think we need to get you a Coors Light sponsorship 🤣🤣
In seriousness, for extra ammo, is it all in Magazines, or split between half in a can, and half in mags?
It is better to have them in mags, if you can get extras. Canned or loose ammo is better than nothing. If you have a pause, in a few minutes you can reload some mags.
@IntoTheVoid1981 That makes sense! Thank you! Maybe a small can for an extra 240 rds 😁
@@briangrant2005 In AFG I used to have 10 mags on me for my M4, and around 300 loose ammo in a bag in my backpack..
I had my AK in the Humvee, with 10 mags and two 75 rds drums, a collapsible bipod and an AMD muzzle brake. We used this AK as a LMG.
I had a M203 on my M4, I carried smoke and illum, but I had 9 DP with me in a bandolier, and 5-8 in my backpack.
Plus my sidearm, a 9 mm with two mags.
And a M9 LanCay bayonet.
I am not american, so we were issued another types of firearms too. We had M4, AK, PKM, M249B, NSVT, DShK, M2HB, Mk19, RPG, M24, SVD, Glock 17, and a certain type of anti-material rifle I wouldn't name, because it instantly gives away from where I am coming. 😅
@@IntoTheVoid1981 sounds like you like to party 🥳🥳🥳
Two cases where you have too much ammo. You are overboard or on fire.
Blue mtns are good cold or warm. Great info. Also when black on ammo remember there is no drops, no resupply. That will be on you and your buddies thinking ahead. As in now. Like soup, buy a can here and there. Why is the sky blue?
I'm a MACV-SOG guy, '69-'70, CCC, recon team leader (OneZero). 600 rounds carried on every mission. Ten hand grenades. Two CN tear gas grenades. One Claymore and the best weapon: a Prick 25 radio and an AN-PRC 90 radio. One time (only), I ran out of ammo, firing my last 20 round mag as ropes pulled me and three Yards, up out of the fight.
Finally someone that knows the value of more ammo.
Coors can tactic videos are a keeper
I agree 100%! 3 tours, ammo, water and Vienna sausage! LoL .I always tried to have 12-15 loaded mags on me. Sometimes ammo wasn't available! All we had was what we could carry.
I've never been in a fire fight and pray I never will. I was schooled by someone who told me, "No amount of ammo is ever enough when you need it." I carry a pistol daily and was taught to carry anywhere from 50 to 120 rounds by a police officer who carried 8 mags of 9mm ammo. Not kidding about it. He had been a marine, and I admire him and others for something I couldn't do. I also know when to take advice and do from those who actually know. I'll take your advice too for my carbine. Take Care and Stay Safe.
Get a good backpack. On the sides put socks, on the inside water, and mags and med stuff and the wet weather bag. You can do a lot with a wet weather bag.
Those beers are getting warm
SOG Tilt Meyer.."I would carry at least thirty-four 20-round magazines for the CAR-15 - we only placed 18 rounds in each magazine, which gave me 612 rounds for that weapon, and at least 12 rounds for the M-79. The CAR-15 magazines were placed in ammo pouches or cloth canteen pouches, with the bottoms facing up to prevent debris from getting into the magazine and all of the rounds pointing away from the body. We taped black electrical tape to the bottom of each magazine to make it easier to grab them out of the pouch during firefights. I also carried 10 to 12 fragmentation grenades, a few of the older M-26, the newer M-33 “baseball” grenades and one or two V-22 mini-grenades".....So how much more weight did all them nades add? No nades? How many more mags can you carry without them then.
You should a airsoft larp simulation of this. One simulation with the 3-4 mags and then another simulation of the 4-8 mags. I think this would be super interesting to watch. It might prove your point even more.
This is America, in rural areas there are a bunch of hunting rifles and people that will probably be aming for your chest. Maybe you'll want to keep the plates, and only use lvl 4.
Excellent illustration . You would think people would figure this out .... but sometimes people need to be shown not just told.
I'm totally with ya on this! Appreciate your videos sir!
So we will use Bud light cans for the enemy.
Thanks for not actually answering the question! A few thoughts: if you're carrying 20-30 mags and you get into a firefight, are you going to be keeping track of your spent mags or just tossing them away because the military buys their mags by the ton? As a minuteman, you will probably be carrying a lot of other gear, maybe even "camping gear" because a 24 hour patrol might easily turn into a 72 hour (+) shoot and scoot. Also, unless you have a very rich uncle you'll only have so many mags and ammo to start with. The average age of a US soldier is probably around 25 whereas the average age of a civilian 'minuteman' is more likely to be 35+ so the physical ability will be less, ergo the ability to carry 80-100 pounds is more likely to be down to 40-50 pounds. Since a 'minuteman' should be basically patrolling my own backyard, his need to carry more than 20 (+ or -) pounds of ammo is unlikely and quite frankly, having prepositioned caches of ammo, food, etc. reduce the need to overload himself! He doesn't have a chopper to get him or even most likely any calvary to come to his rescue! If he runs (sometimes speed kills) into a well-laid ambush, then he's probably dead! There are hundreds of potential situations so a one size (quantity) won't fit all! In Nam, especially with the 'introduction' of the Mattel Toy, the spent ammo to kill ratio for the average trooper was 1,000,000 to 1, because most of the time you didn't even see the enemy, whose main tactic was to attack from ambush so the grunts would spray-and-pray, wasting tons of ammo. Charlie Cong would set off a command-detonated mine and/or wait for a GI to engage a booby trap, and empty a clip/mag at the foreign troops, go to ground until the initial blaze of counter fire died down and sneak off to set up the next ambush! Any time the NVA/VC engaged in a stand-up fight, they usually got their asses handed to them! The sniper, on the other hand, used an average of two rounds per kill! So I think the minuteman should be carrying a scoped long-range rifle instead (at least two in a four-man patrol) and take advantage of his/their knowledge of the local terrain as did the VC!
Having experience with old age syndrome, the days of carrying 7+ mags are over. Three mags on person will be where these “minutemen” end up once reality bites.
You will drop the gear and break contact. Minutemen defend the State, not the homestead. Follow his math. return fire/ mag dump; 2 mags go in dump pouch. Bound, then return fire/ mag dump, 2 mags in dump pouch. (4) Bound, then return fire/ mag dump; 2 mags in the dump pouch. (6) Bound, cover the team with base of fire and maybe mag dump, mags into dump pouch. (8) Transition to pistol? I carry 3 pistol mags.
Thank you for the video. I really appreciate the information, and although it is not new information, the way you presented it and the detail you put in helped me understand the why, behind "carry more ammo".
Yes!!! Coors light tactical videos! Great video! Keep them coming.
"Bullets Boots and Beans"
Very informative. I wasn't infantry but what stuck with me most was when my drill sergeant (Vietnam vet) said the basic load was 13 magazines, 6 in LBE pouches, 6 in butt pack on pistol belt, 1 in rifle. Everybody that was in later than me always says the basic load is 7.
Honestly, if you need ammo at all, you’re already in a pickle and it’s already hit the fan 😂
Guns and beer - great FREAKING combo. Yesterday I was going to the range. Picked up my buddy who is a newbie. He got in the car and I smoked weed. I asked him if he had been smoking. He said, yes. I turned around, dropped him at his house and said, “not in my car, with my guns, at my home range.” As to mags: as a civilian CCW carrier, I sport a CZ PO1 - in CA we are limited legally to ten round mags. I carry with one in the chamber, hence 11 total in the gun. One mag of 10 as back up. I think that is good for civvy use: 21 total rounds.
Have been in many situations where I was the only one that came prepared. My wife understands now,but early on she would give me the eye when we would go out. Prepared is self sufficiency squared. Think about this; how many times have you went somewhere and only planned on being out for 15 minutes and it turned into hours. Thats when you enjoy knowing your preps and go bag are with you. No better piece of mind!
The Op Red Wings team still had at least 4 full mags since Luttrell didn't fire a single shot according to Gulab and the helo crew that picked Luttrell up.
From what I gather, their position was such that they wouldn’t have won even with unlimited ammo.
They were outnumbered about 3 to 1 (or 4 to 1 once Luttrell was out of the fight, 6 to one after Murphy went down…) by an enemy with belt-feds, RPGs, elevated position, and native knowledge of the terrain. They were compromised before their boots hit the ground, spotted before or around the same time as they ran into the goat herders, and really out of luck with the noose tightening all the time.
@sauliluolajan-mikkola620 Yes to all. They were screwed before they even left base. The operational commander ignored everything the Marines told him about operating in that area, and how to do a proper insertion (by vehicle, dropped off 5 miles out, walk in all under cover of darkness) to truly go unnoticed. Instead, the operational cimmander chose to do a fast rope/helo insert, only 200 meters from the objective, which compromised the team to begin with. Then factor in that the team should have been at least 8 men if not the 10 that the Marines had done it with, and that the 4 Seals themselves had no prior experience operating in Afghanistan and none of them had any combat experience either. The ehole thing was a shit show.
@@scout3058holy shit they had no combat experience? I’ve seen the movie but also read the book and I must of spaced that if he even mentioned it I guess I just assumed they had been in that situation before since they’re commanders were so quick to place them in that spot
@joshuairvin6015 Negative. If I remember correctly Murphy and Axelson had previously been in Iraq but saw minimal action there. Deitz and Luttrell had no experience and had only been trained to do SDV work (underwater delivery onto land/ships etc). He doesn't mention any of that in his book. All of these details have since come out in DOD documents and recountings from other SF troops that part of Operation Anaconda. Essentially the Marines of 2/9 (I think it was 2/9) were supposed to do the mission but the Navy guy in charge in that area threw an ego driven hissy fit and refused to give support to the Marines (160th SOAR). He insisted that Seals do it because he was trying to get promoted or some shit. And the Marines as well as Gulab confirmed that the amount of fighters that Shaw actually had was around 10, not the 200 that Luttrell claims in his book. Shaw was an extremely low level guy, not the Taliban General Luttrell made him out to be.
Lastly, when Axlesons body was finally recovered 10 days later, the recovery crew reported that he had at least 3 to 4 days of beard growth meaning he was alive and left up there alone, to die over a few days.
The whole shit show was a display of bad decision on top of bad decision. The comms...the Marines had been on that mountain numerous times already and told the Navy that the comms they planned wouldn't work. The Seals had no PACE plan set up for comms either. If you think all this is bad research John Chapman/Roberts Ridge/Brit Slabinski MOH scandal.
Once upon a time, 5 hunters, 80-100 yds away from me. They fired +/- 30 rounds at me with deer rifles. They hit me zero times.
I had zero cover.
I was not evading with movement.
They needed more ammo.... All I had was good camo.
Reverse that... Now you are shooting at a concealed target... decide how much you need.
What’s the story?.?.