Why School Is Becoming Irrelevant | Answers With Joe
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Our current system of publicly-funded K-12 schooling is surprisingly new, and a product of increased technology, which continues to expand our education system today. Where is this going in the future?
What happens when we all have access to any information we could ever need on our phones at all times? What happens when we merge with this technology? What happens when artificial intelligence can hack the brain with customized curricula designed to optimize the learning of each student?
Our schools look nothing like the schools our grandparents went to. What kind of schools await our grandchildren? Let's take a look.
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Joe: "[...] I do have some older people on here."
The 9 year old who has set his birthdate as 1872: *_Nodding_*
Valentine I’m the older year older
1871 take that
Oh f off i'm 36 and new to social networks. Ummm...
I can use a slide rule!
I’m 46. That probably qualifies as “older”
"Yes hello, I got my degree from Joe Scott University"
Me too! Howdy fellow classmate!
Wait, you didn't get yours from diplomas-r-us.com?
Nathan Zhang lol I know of it
*Harvard University would like to know your location*
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A Joe Scott University student & Trump University student walk into a bar..
honestly i think the most important thing that school teaches is social skills. having to be part of a large, consistent group and learning the consequences of different interactions is absurdly helpful. its the one thing i've always found missing from home schooled people i've met. id be worried for how a future without school would impact people's abilties to form healthy relationships with people outside their immediate families.
I went to public school from Kindergarten through 6th grade and hated it. For the first several years, I wasn’t taught anything new and was actually scolded for implementing concepts that hadn’t been taught yet. I was bored and got in trouble all the time.
For one year, in eight grade, I went to an intense private school that gave so much homework that I couldn’t have any kind of life outside of school. I couldn’t practice my musical instruments or spend time outside, and I became very depressed.
In seventh grade and high school, I was homeschooled, and it was by far the best fit for me. It allowed me to have a flexible schedule and fit in all of my other activities. I could learn the subjects in which I was most interested. I could go at my own pace: speeding ahead in some subjects and taking my time with others. I was able to start college at 16 thanks to homeschooling.
I know it isn’t the ideal choice for all families, but it was for me. (This was before there were as many online resources as there are now.) I’ve seen that a lot of families discovered that online school is best for them over this recent period of time. Unfortunately, where I live, they are completely eliminating the online option next year when they go back to in-person learning.
That is so frustrating! Why not offer the option? Kids learn differently, and there is no reason why the classroom setup should be considered ideal. And, just for the record, the “lack of socialization” myth about homeschooling is entirely untrue. No one is stopping homeschooled kids from interacting with other kids. There are countless activities, formal and informal, out there where kids can socialize. In school, they get yelled at for talking to each other anyway.
Joe Scott you are an international treasure
But very eurocentric
Truly
So is your mom.
Nick Cage is Going to steal Joe very, very soon.
*Interdimentional
The amount of youtube I use for my “education” is absurd. The quality of content is almost if not better than most courses at top universities.
@Jack Hole, in my experience, there are quality history, science, math, and film & cinematography channels, and quite a few episodes are on par with any of my university lectures, but I'd agree that most playlists aren't equivalent to a course. Notable exceptions are education channels like Crash Course, Invicta, and PBS Space Time, which are specifically structured to present comprehensive material. To your point, though, the numbers are irrelevant because media consumption today is completely subjective. Just reward the quality channels with subs & likes and the algorithms will give you more.
Jack Hole the numbers will obviously say otherwise if you’re literally given a degree when you finish your education showing evidence of the work you put in. I’m not saying youtube is a replacement for university but a very very good helping hand. And look at the value for $ aspect too.
@Jack Hole Not exactly what the poster was talking about, but you can also watch actual college lectures on youtube as well.
@@morganseppy5180
The main downfall of YT educational content is there is no homework, and no reason to do any extra work if you're not already invested in the subject. You can't really learn something without doing it, period.
Spacetime is one of, if not my number one, favorite YT channel, but I haven't really 'learned' much there, just listened to regurgitated information, and I'm actually one of the few that does understand most of what he talks about (I've spent years reading papers and watching and reading everything I can about quantum anything and everything), but I literally know none of the advanced math necessary, and while 3B1B is making up for some of that, it's going to take many years before 3B1B gets to topics that I need to know to actually really, truely, understand the things Matt on PBS Spacetime is talking about.
*American 'top' universities
I've learned more from youtube then I ever would have from school lol. I can replay the video as much as I need to understand. Try to replay a disgruntled teacher who's got a class of 30 to worry about.
Same 🙌
As a teacher, I wish I only had 30 to worry about…good on you for taking charge of your own education!
They force us into a system created for 19 century needs
The whole, "Do you need to learn something if you can just look up the info?" topic is an interesting one. I think that's a valid point for a lot of information, but on the other hand, as alluded to in this video, a lot of advancements and success come down to the synthesis of information and ideas that you kind of need to already have in place and wouldn't necessarily know you were even "missing." Like sure, it's easy to come across a discussion or problem referencing a specific topic and realize you should look up info about the topic so you understand what's going on -- but even more likely is that you'll simply be confronted with problems and opportunities that COULD benefit from greater insight into a specific topic that would provide more context or allow you to build on that foundation to develop a solution -- but never realize that at all. It's one thing to know what you don't know and therefore be able to look it up, but far more often you don't know what you don't know and thus can't look it up.
You also don't really 'learn' new pieces of information unless you have to use that information in a meaningful way, such as using it to solve a math problem, or to answer detailed questions on the topic that require re-reading/comprehension/conceptualization. (Mostly older people though, kids are like sponges.)
I am a big believer in the concept of general knowledge and my guess is that general knowledge + critical thinking will be sufficient for future people to be able to navigate the flood of information. No need to know much about, say, the Kingdom of Prussia or the Mughal Empire, but knowing there was something like that in 18th century Europe and Asia, respectively, is most likely enough to be able to discern necessary information on the topic when it comes in handy.
Just having a general map of human knowledge in one's head without any useless details.
Educated= Having enough background knowledge to know what information you lack and the ability to understand it when you find it.
Teacher: Johnny - I asked you a question
Johnny: Just a sec. I'm downloading it now.
Teacher: Why so long?
Johnny: Monetization.
So true
Johnny needs to learn how to torrent
Hehe
SSD?
I'm not sure there is a fix for this outside of a completely surplus economy system.
"flying away from the nest into the emptiness of adulthood" best line 😂
spooky! ...and depressing lol
@Ruthanne D'Antuono Good for you. Other people aren't so lucky. They spend 40 years gradually figuring out why they wasted their youth addicted to some substance or another, or enmeshed in abusive relationships. If they're lucky they're able to deal with all the trauma of the past brought about by the trauma of their youth, which was likely in turn brought about by trauma suffered by, and then meted out by, their parents, in a never-ending cycle of shit. Sure, it's good to be positive about your opportunities, but not everyone has those.
:O
Remote mechanic in the future: "look sir, I'm gonna need you to find me a stronger bystander than you because we're gonna be here all day if I'm using your arms"
"No need, I'll go get my exoskeleton"
@@limiv5272 Need one of these for the next ten years until I retire. Why is only Ford cars in on this program? Seems to me every dang warehouse ought to be in some pilot program for motor assisted freight moving. Unless the results are more Iron Man copy than Ripley... sign me up.
Jesus, I laughed so hard at this. this is why you don't skip the gym
High school was actually a choice when I was in school. In junior high you took a test, and that suggested whether wyou might do better in a trade or not. A lot of kids signed up for the tech school where you still got a basic education along with intensly awesome carpentry, auto mechanics, hair dressing, office sciences - that was all secretarial classes - electronics. Everyone graduated from those classes with a certification to get a job BY THE TIME THEY WERE 18. This was awesome for everyone. Why it's not done now, I'll never see.
It’s like this in Germany right now, we have an awesome apprenticeship system
With advanced automation, we would do a major disservice to humanity by still viewing education through "jobs" and "productivity". We already do a disservice by having too narrow of a focus on university and trade skills, and not teaching skills to cope with stress, interpersonal communication, emotional regulation, etc.
Veve " major disservice to humanity by still viewing education through "jobs" and "productivity"
this is a wise statement ppl. I read the encyclopedia as a kid, and hated half of my classes. I ended up not getting math even though I'm smart. So, therefore, when Dad said I couldn't skip a year before college to work and decide what i wanted to be, I wasn't prepared for college. My trade school effort failed too bc of the school itself failing (got half my money back.). Be careful out there guys it can be tumultuous.
I'm 41, my Dad went to a one room school in West Virginia when he was a kid.
Ditto. I'm 45 and Dad rode his horse to a 1 room school starting in the 40's, I started in a 2 room school. My son started in a 8 room school. Grandpa was one of those who finished school at 14.
I’ve got a few uncles that had a 6th grade education. And they were actually smart men, who held good jobs. I guess they learned the rest as they went along?
Most of my elder siblings went to a two-room school and walked several miles to go there. It had an outside, dry toilet and spawned an outbreak of Hepatitis A. (or THE Yallah Jandies, as it was known.)
my grandparents all went to one room prairie schools like that. One of my grandfathers schools was actually one of those types of buildings that was basically a couple walls with the rest of it being a tent, like those buildings you see in westerns in gold rush towns.
I’m 50, and my dad went to one-room schoolhouse until High School.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I’ve enjoyed your videos for years, and today with your kind words for teachers you’ve reached platinum status in my book. It’s wonderful to hear someone acknowledge the hard and often thankless work we do. So thank you Joe for bringing attention to the often under appreciated job of educator. Much obliged.
When you say Euro-centric - You actually mean US-centric. Many school systems in Northern Europe (Germany, Scandinavia, Finland for example) have vastly different systems focused on Creative Problem Solving instead of question/answer based
All schools are the same wherever you go , they say they focus on creative problem solving to just look catchy but those problems still require you to do homework and kids who go through that education route are not prepared to become competitive. Remember if a school focused less on homework and more on creative problem solving it won't be called a school in traditional sense
@@anmolpatel793 I can show you the swedish curriculum (in english) if you want. We (yes, I'm a teacher) HAVE to teach the tools, not the subject of things. So we teach students how to find information, how to be critical of information, how to analyze that information and so on. So, for example, in history you don't have to know things from your head like dates and names, the most important thing is that you can analyze what you see/read and know where you can find that information and how different scenarios and situations affect one another. In my subject, art (swedish art curriculum is actually more focused on how visual literacy than art) the key things we grade are your ability to analyze, discuss and come to conclusions based on proven fact. And if there is no "fact", you analyze why there isn't.
I'm sorry for the long text, but it's so much fun to teach when you focus on the fact that you give the students tools to learn for the rest of their lives. Not just learn things in school.
you'd be amazed at how many incompetent people there are in Germany. I went to 'Gymnasium' which is the branch of education that leads to university, and most of my classmates passed just by cramming facts in their brains and puking them on a sheet for the exam. I'm not saying I'm the only one of my class of ~100 graduates who is sort of competent, but only 20-30% developed the ability to think critically and take responsibility - and Germany is heralded as the most competent large state (>20Million inhabitants) in the EU
@@nicolaiveliki1409
They learned just enough to get by. That's plenty for the majority - if they can show up for their 9 - 5 and do a competent job, that's fine. Especially if they are happy. Not everyone wants to be the big brain in the room. As long as we have a decent number of people who do aspire to be the best, we'll be fine as a species. Not everyone needs to be super smart, or the best as school. So long as they pull their weight in society (and are generally happy), that's good enough. We do need to work on inspiring a love of learning in children and teens, though, instead of learning because you have to.
@@ronjacato9309 I've been through two different history classes here in the states that focused more on the events rather than dates, just like you said. Both made the subject sooooooooo much more interesting and fun.
Fun story of my mum:
her grandfather: "You were not working on the field today!"
my mother: "I graduated today"
her grandfather: "OK, but tomorrow you are going to work on the field again!"
How things change. i only had to work the fields in the evenings and at weekends, because i was a grammar school boy.
"You took all day to graduate?"
sad, not fun, but often oh so true.
@@michaeljames5936 I know, in the future, it'll be 'I'm watching a youtube video' and the response is 'when you're done watching, you'll work on the field'
I want to hear about the differences with east/west edu - especially around the printing press era...
I'm from russia siberia...school and military same thing
Start school at 3
School till 8
Military till 21
If you want good career in country
If not you just go to trade diploma school but still can be called to draft but not called draft.
But I'm 47 and things change is russia greatly
I heard that the first university in the world was in India. Not sure if its true or not.
@@giyanvice it was Nalanda University in India!
you just want him to be demonitized
In Kenya, e.g. education is currently being optimised for an individual soooo, ye, education is being personalised using technology and the maker movement.
Education is changing
U.S. Education system: *Idk about that one chief. Not that much.*
LOL “when you get to be my age...”
Joe, you have no idea what’s coming as you get older. I’m so old we had to fight off the Velociraptors and Pterodactyls while walking to school...
Uphill...
Both ways...
In the snow...
Barefoot...
In August.
👴🏼
Great video, as always!
"How many miles Grandpa?"
15 MILES!!!!
Ahh.. a we, the last of the, "Bet you won't do that again, huh?! " Generation!!
Aye. When i was i third grade, i witnessed a man on the toilet being eaten by a Tyrannosaurus Rex.
That was in the movie "Jurassic Park", mind, but still.
godfrey, right?
We walked to school ten miles, and ten miles back in the snow, uphill both ways.
Grandpa, why didn't you turn around?
I've wanted to do that for so long.
The Matrix:
Neo: Can you fly this thing?
Trinity: Tank, I need a pilot program!
God$@ve🇺🇸💘🇮🇱
16:44 Buccellati, what did they do to you?? Seriously though, is no one going to address that nightmare creature?
Lmao i was not expecting this.
Im a teacher and its been ruff. Financially, emotionally, ruff. Thanks for acknowledging it.
I hope you're not grading spelling or grammar.
you’re my favorite dash on the Internet.
With all the science videos I watch, I'm right there with you Joe! Mile wide, inch deep. 😆
that thing in your back pocket has access to facts - and an even larger universe of un-facts.
Isn’t deregulation awesome😃🤔😏
Un-facts?
@@LunaBari also known as lies.
which is why educatioon should be about critical thinking and data sorting instead of useless memorisation
@@LunaBari maybe an un-fact is like an alternative fact?
1:30 Oh let me tell you when I went to school. We were denied to hold our BA graduation celebration even though we had permission from the Dean of Damascus University, Syria; and all doctors to hold one. The "Student Union" (one of 17 security forces/oppression divisions the Assad regime has) refused to allow us to even take a Graduation Picture! And they stole the mobile from a professor (Best teacher of Shakespeare in the world) as she was trying to convince them to let us have that!
For my MA I was denied my own MA graduation certificate, and I am blackmailed to go get it in person in order for them to arrest me! Ironically enough, they sent my parents a Merit award for my name, but didn't allow them to get my certificate for me, even though the law in Syria clearly says Family members can do that! But who cares about the law!
1:55 That's me! And I'm only in my mid-twenties. My grandma grew up in a small, rural community and, until the 1950s and the car/highway system revolutionized transport, received the latest inventions a decade after everyone else. Five out of my seven aunts and uncles grew up in a home with no indoor plumbing and an outhouse.
If I remember my late 19th century history, a big piece of the civil education story was not driven so much by needing better educated kids. Rather it was a combo of reformers trying to decrease child labor as a humanitarian aim and unions trying to decrease child labor as competition to union members.
I'm sure there were a multitude of lines of reasoning for a large number of different groups of people. Ultimately, they mostly agreed that it was beneficial
The 19th century public school system was designed to shape kids into a bunch of factory workers. That's why the rich kids went to private schools.
Well, sometimes it was not even humanitarian - many of the first schools were build by the factory owners, because they saw. that the processes in their factories became complexer and so they needed more skilled workers - and when you train them young, they will be more willing to work for your after they finished 8th class.
ANd a lot of us are "shaped" by a teacher that did NOT care! :-(
Or a third grade teacher that in my day dreaming mind was the Wicked Witch of the South. "I'll get you my pretty, and your little dog too! CackleScreechCackle". And she would flip on and off the lights to get our attention (strobe effect).
I personally never had any positive life changing experiences with a teacher. No teacher moved me, reached me, or inspired me. I’d have to think really hard to even remember any of their names. School was basically 13 years of watching the clock for me, I did most of my learning after school, I think if anything it inhibited me growth. That’s just my experience.
@@crowmagnum9280 ditto, but you are far from alone. i only learned 2 facts and one technique (forge-welding two pieces of steel) in all my schooling. neither facts or technique has been any use and one is outdated and incorrect. everything else i learned from family, friends, strangers, self study. i left school with the third highest grades for that final year (130 pupils). what a waste.
@@enviromental2565 How bad was it? Was it just enough to get someones attention or was it genuine strobing able to cause a seizure?
@@bikerfirefarter7280 If your grades are that high you obviously know everything already and aren't going to learn.
Joe Scott are you going to make another video. I found your TH-cam channel a few months ago and I love it. I always wait for you to post a new video because they’ve help me learn and push myself to learn more on my own, your videos are fun and they Peak my interest. Which is so hard to do because the stuff you talk about is very hard to understand but how you word it is much easier to learn and it gives a little bit of a grasp of the subject you’re talking about, than I can make my own research and get a better understanding. I just want to say thank you for making this videos they helped me learn so much
Thanks Joe! I have been talking about this subject for years. Dad always pointed out "Autodidacts are great but most of us need credentials"
Elder at my church literally used this phrase: "I used to do my sums at night by the light of a kerosene lantern."
What is "To Burn the Midnight Oil"? Literally church for 500, Alex!
I saw the movie "The Twonkey" as a child. It disrupts my ability to trust artificial intelligence to this day.
Or Jimi Hendrix 'Burning The Midnight Lamp".
What is "I have No Complaint... I'm Going Home!"?
They do that in United States as well ?!. Damn
I WISH I had been a senior in high school this year. No stupid prom, graduation, let alone going to school.
Oh yeah, i almost forgot i missed all those this year.
Yea, I don't get the appeal of graduations. Standing in the sun in a glorified shower curtain for four hours listening to bad speeches and a dude slowly name everyone there isn't my idea of a good time. Only reason I went to my high school one was my parents, and I skipped my college graduation.
I wanted to skip graduation because I thought it was pointless, but my parents said no graduation, no party. No party, no money.
O, ok. I guess I'll go. Lol
Joe, I was born in Warka, or Uruk as it's sometimes called. It's the first place where writing happened.
So sad islam took over that place. But I guess that's how history is, societies rise and fall and got replaced by another, and then than one rises and fall and got replaced by another one. It's the transition that makes things ugly...
I finished the last two years of high school remotely at home. I went from mostly C's to a straight A student. I was taught one on one in my home by former college professors and it was definitely the best thing that ever happened to me.
Excelent! I hope you continue with your progress. If you need help with math just tell me and I will be glad to help. I teach online.
“Here in the year *2100* when you turn 10 you’re officially ready to take on your first responsibilities. So here you are, your very own Pipboy 3000.”
At least they won't have to remember to feed their Tomagotchi. That was a learning experience lemme tell ya.
@@elizabethsetlow862 I felt so bad when mine died... For a little while anyways.
@@elizabethsetlow862 I had a tamagotchi pikachu
I loved that thing
Pretty sure my aunt stole it so I would stop obsessing
Nice one mate
Except you don’t own that pipiboy young man. You will lease it and pay monthly software usage fees with a 100 year contract
60's: You need to decide on a career path RIGHT NOW!!!!! Give us your answer!!!
Me: Abused because no answer
80's: The field I've worked in the rest of my adult life gets invented....
2000's: You ain't seen nothing yet!
School is for fish.
Madolina Degocelli Uhhhh, okaaaay...🙄
@Madolina Degocelli Can you send me some of the stuff?
One of my favorite videos.
I have ADD and struggled in school. It wasn’t until I was able to focus without constant distractions, that I actually became “educated”. Going from a public school straight to the US Coast Guard, I was WAY behind getting out in my own. Online learning turned out to be the only way I could effectively learn.
This is a fascinating video that asks some interesting questions. Certainly thought-provoking!
I tried to skip my graduation for work but my boss said “its your graduation! Go!”
Still would’ve preferred finishing my shift but my parents were happy
You have a very good boss!
You sound like squidward lol
When I think back on school, I always remembered how much I despised taking notes and copying what was on the board. It's like...I can EITHER listen to what you're explaining OR copy down the notes, not both. This meant I had to choose between understanding the lesson and having zero notes to help with homework, or having notes and essentially having to teach myself what they meant after class. Obviously the latter was preferred, which unfortunately lead to some teachers thinking I 'wasn't paying attention in class' since I'm asking things they already explained. I'm sorry that I'm not able to split my brain in two for you teach, especially not when It's ungodly early in the morning and my growing body refuses to accept these absurdly early schedules (7am math classes were always the worst).
Agreed. When I got to college I started taking a photo of the board and copying the notes at home later to learn them better.
Split the right and left hemispheres of your brain to do that
Did you say 7am?????
@Just Looking I only got the chance to use a cell phone in college, which even then didn't help as much as I would have hoped. The teachers were always standing partially in front of the board, and more irksome still they would erase it as they went so at best I would end with a miss-matched mix of weird photos that I'd have to hopefully try and stitch together somehow. It was a mess.
@Baraka Thiongo Yep, 7am. It was a nightmare, I physically couldn't fall asleep no matter what I tried and as a result was always, without a doubt, tired as all sin in the morning. Some schools even went as early as 6 I'd heard. I still remember how me and my friends always hoped that we'd end up with the harder classes after lunch, because anything before lunch was a write-off of existing in a painful, half-conscious daze.
I'm planning to homeschool my daughter. I was homeschooled my last four years, mostly teaching myself. I grew the most during that time and learned so much more. I was in my first year of homeschool, and remember reading about the USSR for the first time. That was about 2009.
Also worth noting that I often did a months worth of work in five days.
Just putting this out there, I’m currently in college taking online classes because of Covid and I’m just going to say it, I HATE ONLINE CLASSES. SO MUCH. I feel like I’m learning nothing. There are certain subjects you just cannot teach online. Creative writing, music, drama, art, creative subjects in general need an in person component to be taught effectively. Robots don’t create, feel, or dream, or anything. I hope education never becomes irrelevant because that would limit artists considerably. And those are the people we’ll need in the future.
Printing press is great invention, I printed my diploma on it.
@Madolina Degocelli what are you talking about. Do you need a psychiatrist
One of my kids printed several of her report cards on our (dot matrix) printer, this was in the early 90's and she'd been on the computer since the mid 80's.
I'm 57, and I'm the one with the grandparents that went to school in a one room schoolhouse.
I mostly agree with you... I'm a teacher and the two things I really teach (subject doesn't matter because they're all the same if you're really teaching today) is troubleshooting and research. How to work through a problem and how to research to find legit answers to the problem. But that can be taught via distance education or by watching TH-cam to a certain extent. Why schools matter is that they teach kids how to socialize. The kids that have the toughest time in school are the ones that have social issues. And look at American society today. The folks with the greatest social issues the ones causing all the chaos.
I usually enjoy your videos -some of them more than others, some of them I understand better than others-, but this is one of the most inspirational I've enjoyed. Thanks!
Me: Sweet! Joe Scott on a Sunday!
My Wife: It's Monday
Me: Shit! I'm late for work!
My Wife: *facepalm*
Haaahahahaaa
What's a Monday?
Hahahaha, this my new favorite comment
This channel has a humorous hue
Humor is great for the heart
Laugh on😃✈
As an actual 2020 college graduate, the “emptiness of adulthood” line really hit home :/
Literally at home
I'm like a month away from my masters degree and I'm terrified...
That's one of the problems with graduation nowadays. A young person gets that diploma and if they don't have a job to go to on Monday morning, they sit around wondering what to do. It's especially bad if they got one of those useless degrees that no employer is going to be impressed with. These people have spent their first 18-22 years being told what needs to be done to succeed each day of their lives. Now, it's all on them and they can feel lost in the middle of the ocean. Some handle it all wrong and begin blaming everything around them for their lack of success, while others take the time to review their skills and figure out a way to make their way in the world with that skill set.
I'm a 2020 class highschool student and it sucks. Our graduation is going to be drive through style
@Ruthanne D'Antuono I beg to differ. It never works out. No one gets out alive.
Thing is that in school you have someone who's an expert to ask questions when they arrive and get personalized answer and help clearing up a confusion... those questions or misunderstandings can pile up when you're self educating and make things worse over time.
I have hard time learning something completely new that I don't have base knowledge of without a tutor. It's not impossible, it's just much harder.
I'm a high school student and I have used pretty much all of these education methods. I was homeschooled for most of my life so I had plenty of time to watch educational youtube content (like yours!) and make things with my hands. Via these methods I have fairly extensive knowledge in evolutionary biology, linguistics, and anthropology. Through your channel I also have learned a lot about science and technology.
This semester I am also attending mostly online classes through a website called Sakai, which my school uses. A lot of the things you described ring true to me. I honestly am living this future which you describe.
When they asked me about graduation, I said "Mail it to me." I was glad to be out and I wasn't in any way interested in going back. Even for a visit. Besides I already had a job. Technically, two.
I graduated in 2015 and I wish this is how it happened haha
I graduated in 2019. I really didn't want to sit around for four hours while 1000+ kids graduated, so I just smoked some pot with my friends and we went to In-N-Out. I got the diploma in the mail.
@@magisterrleth3129 to be honest, a diploma you spent a few months on is a bit different than a 2 year Post-Graduate degree, buddy.
Me too, I had no interest in a stupid ceremony. I had my degree - bye, I'm outta here.
@@harish2309 I spent 4 years on that diploma, buddy.
the future of education has been something I’ve been thinking about for awhile now with the route technology has taken us in and honestly with how traditional education smothers the potential of many young creative thinking individuals. Not only their potential, but also their motivation by making them take “busy” classes that have nothing to do with their interests or future. Not to mention, how different the world would be post-neuralink and advanced AI.
Mikael, kids sit in a corner with their phones now with the current education system. Obviously children should learn preliminary subjects at an early age. At some point early in their educational career that have to be taught to be free in creativity and inventing. That life is not about getting the good grade or the degree that will give you that office job. That the impossible is possible. Creativity is what creates the robots and other things that exist in our life. As well as those things, creativity in the form of entertainment, art, music and inventions are just as equally as important. TH-cam would not exist without someone using creative thinking. Neither would companies such as Space X, Neuralink or others that will be viable to humanity’s future.
@Mikael the things you need are a result of creative thinking. If we need robots, we need more creative thinkers who can make them work.
You fall in the same trap as many generals.. they too often end up fighting the previous war. You end saying we need to educate people for a change from the past (the industrial revolution), not for the future challenges we are facing.
Creative thinkers are a small minority of the jobs currently existing or will exist in the near future. You don’t get productive sewage workers by teaching creative thinking skills. You don’t get productive ditch diggers by teaching creative thinking skills. You don’t get productive truck drivers by teaching creative thinking skills. You don’t get productive fast food workers by teaching creative thinking skills. Sure some of those jobs will go away in the future, but most will not.
This is just pure ideology
@@oriondye3212 For the jobs you list, maybe not. But life is far more than a job. We need more people that can see past the bs the news, government, people of "influent" celebrities\internet no-buddies are spoon feeding them. Schools should be focused on critical thinking skills and teaching people how to learn before ever learning math, english, etc. Also, creative thinking skills can spur creative solutions that may not have been thought of because the people that have these skills don't have to deal with ditch digging, truck driving (maybe gone in 10-20 years), fast food.
I’m always amazed at why someone would thumbs down your vids. As a college educator who is frustrated with the mentality of today’s students...I thought this vid was great. Keep it up.
I remember hating my highschool graduation. I knew i did a good job and it was my own achievement not that of my school (our school would use graduation events as marketing campaigns). Also being introverted didnt help. My idea of a good graduation was relaxing with people who really meant to me. Not a bunch of strangers cheering half heartedly as we pretended the educational system isnt isnt as disfunctional as it actually is
Didn’t Einstein say something like, I don’t know everything, I just know where to look for it?
Yes
I think so.
I hope so.
Closer to "I don't *need* to know everything, I just need to know where to look for it when I need it." I'm not 100% sure he said that, though. I do know it's a confirmed quote that he said, "I never commit to memory anything that can be looked up in a book", although it's been a while since I looked at the reference -- an authorized biography, I believe -- so I may have the exact wording off a bit.
Albert Einstein was once asked: “What is the speed of sound?” Without batting an eye he answered cheerfully: “I don’t know. I don’t burden my memory with such facts that I can easily find in any textbook.”
I've learned so much more online than I ever did in school. My grandkids are receiving no schooling at all, and are ahead of their peers who go to school, and don't have to get harrassed by bullies. Their social needs are another thing though.
@Speaking Truth Bruh I attended a school that was "in the top ten schools of the county" and got assaulted with a knife by a kid with two braincells.
Torbulentin well maybe it’s in the top ten academically. in the uk, we have this thing called ofsted which rates your school on pretty much everything so if behaviour is pretty shit then surely the ofsted rating must suck
If I created a school - I would let kids know:
0) kids picking what they want to do and seeking it - i.e. forming the mindset
1) what is the future technology being worked on for them
2) how it works (plus the base knowledge to get to that)
3) what needs to be solved
4) how to use it
5) what to use it for
6) what would be a better idea for future situations that these technologies are used
7) ethics - is it ok to use and work on these tech
8) bases - fundamental topics that help one learn everything - the basis - like arithmetic in math. Calculus doesn't help with arithmetic, but it does work the other way around. The bases I know are academics, art, and athletics, with a little bit of culture - mind, soul, body, and outside perspective!
9) the past trends that got to where we are and what the future holds: like the Dorling Kindersley books - like the Visual Timeline of Transportation.
10) how to act like a hive mind
11) how to automate and archive what one knows to help others
Beautiful transition into the video's subject.
I just got used to you teaching me everything I need to know.
My wife likes to tell me that I'll never learn anything watching TH-cam videos... Then I point to Joe.
That was an EXCELLENT segue. Like, god-tier segue.
"Let me tell you what happened when I went to school!"
"...What's a school?"
Always Love the Answers with Joe!
With all info available online, the main problem is to know how to google something - to ask the right question and to know how to separate good from bad info... Without that problem, everyone could be an IT expert...
and yeah, a personalized search (in exchange for a "little privacy") is very helpful.
I’m an Army veteran that just graduated college. I’m trying to start my own business in the next 6 months.
Forget a 9-5 job.
Yep, running your own business is 24-7.....not always a great trade but worth the effort!
Starting a business and running a business are two different aptitudes and skill sets, being good at one does not necessarily imply that you will be good at the other. Not to mention that about 70%-90% of business is marketing, if you suck at marketing you can be brilliant at almost everything else and still fail.
Bear in mind that Nikola Tesla was a full blown genius who largely invented our modern world and yet he died broke and alone.
Good luck word of.mouth is gold if it's a local business.
@@gileshabibula7006 correct. good advice. you listening hooyahfish?
see @Giles Habibula ! correct. good advice. you listening hooyahfish?
I'm a teacher and I need this
God bless. I lasted 1 year. 😂
Hahahaha. . Good thing I'm teaching college students they're more manageable 😅
When he said teacher deserves better. . Awww. . I'm touched.
@@timgleason2527 Lol me too!! Nothing to do with the kids, everything to do with the (lack of) funding & poor management at District level.
I could read like when I was 4, and I knew everything about human anatomy at 6, was bullied for years by students and teachers alike, causing me to drop out and develop depression a drug addiction at 17.
Then I taught myself several programming languages, a passion that kinda grew outta hand.
Then finally i decided to give it a try again and im now 27 and happily studying computer science at the dutch open university.
Am actually quite thanksful such initiatives exist.
The intro really resonated with me.
I'm in my final year of university now - in fact my final deadlines are in 5 days, and i've been doing all of my uni work from home since march without any input or assistance from the university.
I wonder if they'll ever make any efforts to put this right, or if we will always be that year that couldn't graduate.
I wonder if we'll ever truly feel like university was worth it?
Graduation must feel like closure - the reward for the effort you put in. But we'll probably get emailed a diploma that they want us to print out so they don't have to 'waste the money'
Never been this early even for class
I've never been on time for class
@Brian: Right? I start checking in at 3:00 am, Monday morning for each week's show.
This is why Start ups like Brilliant & Curiosity (among many others) Stream will start to make traditional academia obsolete.
thank god someone like joe takes the time to research and explain in a semi technical funny way. i am in my late 40's and understand alot of his comments. love ya joe.
I'm a fifth grade graduate and thought I'd be relaxing at the beach in the summer but no,I'm stuck inside and it's honestly not far off from my regular life,which makes me sad....
I like this chanel so much, that I'm gonna name my daughter after you...
@33 SixtyNine we should encourage people to to choose their own names when they're old enough
@33 SixtyNine you shouldn't have kids.
In all fairness Scott is known to be female as well as male 🤷🏻♂️
@@adamjohnson8862 Jo Scott Maximhouse
@@crysanthiumvega it would be confusing until then. Unless they just get numbers until they choose
"Everybody (...) has been shaped by a teacher who cared".
I must be really unlucky. I had some pretty good teacher (and a few epically bad ones) but I can't think of one that "shaped" me. The closest would be my project supervisor at the university.
Now, throw in books and the Internet... and that's a different story. Tim Ferriss has influenced my lifestyle. Sam Harris has shaped the way I think about a lot of different subjects. Robert Heinlein and Neil Strauss made me rethink a lot of concepts we take for granted. Dude, even TH-cam has influenced me more than any teacher. People like Mark Rober, Steve Mould and Neil deGrasse Tyson help me love learning more and more. Jon Stewart, John Oliver and (again) Sam Harris have contributed tremendously to my political views.
I wish I had been as inspired by a teacher as you are talking about. Maybe I wouldn't have hated school and slacked off so much. I was bored out of my mind on >95% of classes I ever had.
And I don't even think it was mainly the teachers fault... Students are too heterogeneous and I was on one of the edges of the bell curve. They were never catering to my needs...
Worst part? Everything I just wrote is extremely clear now. But it was anything but clear at the time and I was absolutely incapable of understanding everything that was wrong in my education.
Apologies for the rant. Great video, Joe! I know I didn't include you on the names above, but I do subscribe and watch most of your stuff.
In a bad way! A nun told me that l would "get into a good high school but you won't do well."
Sorry again, i guess you just happened to cite the people I detest, especially as decent people are fooled by them. i know many good people who think harris is a philosopher, yet i have never heard a single original idea pass his lips, although he does package other's ideas well, yet he slips in enough bigotry to appal me. NDeG Tyson is similar and supports the militarisation of space and thus can see no future for humanity any brighter than our present destructive trajectory.
I've had exactly 3 teachers in my life that gave a damn, counting preschool through high school, a bit of college, and the technical school I went to. My teachers actually accused me of cheating and tried holding me back a year more than once because I wouldnt conform to what they wanted and because I didnt socialize much. Like for reading and writing I never read the assigned books so they thought I had a learning disability, I was always reading books like National Geographic in elementary school and they assumed I was just looking at the pictures, but when i took a standardized test (one of the computer ones where the questions get progressively harder the more right answers you get) and I ended up maxing it out (it only went up to 10th or 12th grade level since we were in the 4th grade) so they made me retake it by myself AFTER trying to get me expelled for cheating and I maxed it out a second time. It wasnt that I could read, i just hated the books they forced us to read.
I got to be part of an experiment designed by the State of Washington school system in 1972 to prove that teachers were needed. In second grade I sat at a table by myself in a large room full of tables. Each had different permutations of students and teachers. (1:1 at one table, 2:4 at another, 1:5). I, as the really luck student in this instance of the experiment got to be 0:1. I got to show what would happen to a student with no teacher. I was handed books on the fist day of the experiment like all of the other students and was handed a slip of paper every day that had my reading assignments and pages of workbooks I was supposed to do. They loved me because I did nothing... ever. I spent all my time wondering why I was being punished. I even asked once why I was being punished and they told me I wasn't. When I explained why I thought I must be they told me to switch where I was sitting at my table so I now faced the wall instead of the open room. This was second grade and in my normal 1st grade the kids who were bad were made to sit by themselves. This is the kid version of solitary confinement. yes... I was really "affected" by the teachers who designed this experiment. As a 54 year old I now still deal with their impact. I was so screwed up I would have killed myself at the age of 10 if it were not for an ex-teacher who reached out to me. She had quit the school system after being scolded and chastised for reaching out to troubled students.
@@michaeljames5936 : Pretty impressive how you seem to be wrong about pretty much everything you said. Especially on your attempted description of me where you managed not just to fail, but to fail ABSOLUTELY.
So yeah, maybe the problem is that you jump to conclusions and know nothing about the people you so intensely hate. Ever read Stranger in a Strange Land? What about Waking Up?
Seems to me you only know the bottom two because they were on TV...
Anyway, people with such strong opinions about shit they know little about are rarely capable of nuanced thought. So... stay forever right and righteous!
20:15 "We are not just a collection of memories and facts."
That is excatly what we are. WTF.
How so?
No, we're mostly a collection of patterns. Some of those are memories and facts, and most of those are far from error-free.
I graduated 9 years ago and I'm 28, I'm envious of all the technology that we have today that could have really helped me in school. I took my time during High School, I enjoyed sleeping in and taking afternoon classes. I hated High School, but I loved to learn. In school I loved art, history, literature and science. I never liked math, I couldn't wrap my head around it. Understanding the basics of math is good enough for me, plus I have my phone for that.
I love the channel, it helps quench my thirst for knowledge, because I always have questions.
I am so glad you mentioned the ADHD student experience, I was diagnosed when I was in 4th or 5th grade around the early 2000s and they were trying every thing under the sun to get me to focus. Experimental drug trials, music therapy, special coaching. Community college math was a special kind of hell, I would wish only on those who cut me off in traffic abruptly.
Education has always been changing to meet the needs of a society. For those future learners who may get access to specialized learning, it almost makes all the pain and suffering worth it. So thank you Joe for the hope.
Great tangent cam, Joe. I can't tell you how much it means to me that you acknowledged that. Keep up the good work dude.
My mom is from rural Ireland.
I visited the ruins of the small church that was converted to a school house.
Her teacher was also a nun who lived in the house.
A 20foot by 30foot stone building.
I’m a forever learner. I use TH-cam for videos like this. Great topics that make a good starting point for deeper dives.
When he talked about the “Connection Ceremony”, I got some serious “Black Mirror” vibes 🤣 I can’t wait!
"School isn't for smart people Morty"
-Rick Sanchez
school is for dumb ppl
Well western schools were basically made to get students used to being worker bees.
@@scifino1 some Eastern schools can be even worse since they stress rote learning and memorizing facts as opposed to problem solving skills and creativity. This is especially common in countries with rigid social structures like those found in some dictatorships, authoritarian countries, religiously dominated societies, and in countries with strong Confucian influence like China. Some movements started in the West like Waldorf schools stress creative problem solving over memorization so as to avoid the "mindless worker bee" mentality and the majority of those types of schools are found in Europe. It'd be more accurate to say "American public schools are basically just made to get students used to being worker bees".
@@scifino1 Well is that why I basically never worked one day while in the school?Western schools(at least the one I went to)were made for anyone who want to learn a skill that will help them to work what they like in life,in my case a maritime college so I can become captain(I'm first officer for now) and so I can work on cargo ships which I loved all my life.If you want to go in direction of white or western privilege then I must tell you that I was so privileged that by the time I was 16 I already lived thru four years of war back home in Croatia.Western schools are not perfect but at the moment their the best system we have but what's not good at all is bringing politics in schools(colleges)of course if that college is not some political college.In fact our system is so good that you can choose to not work a day in your life but instead be on welfare and feed in public kitchen your whole life.
I guess it’s way smarter to quote cartoon characters than going to school.
My mother attended a one room schoolhouse in Manitoba (Canada).
My grandfather, also in Manitoba!
I really like the background music like in 2:27 because it's like you're pumping knowledge into me.
I've worked at a local makerspace spun out of our local community college for 3-4 years. I've seen the progression as the offshoot has begun offering coding bootcamps, IoT bootcamps, etc. and those programs are in high demand. These classes have become the new vocational tech class for high tech jobs.
When I went into my son's grade 1 class and realized there where no chalkboards and chalk. 😳
Magic markers and projectors
If you had chalk, balloons, and peanut butter in a classroom today, half of the kids would die of an allergic reaction.
@Samantha Womer
oooh are those finally good i remember them when i was younger but it was not that good thats 20 years ago tho
shit am i old ?
im old
when did this happen
its like a age ninja came out of no where and slapped me with old
@@citationsloth Would you prefer to get slapped by he age ninja or be hyper aware of your gradual decline in every area each day?
@@PinataOblongata that's the worst part now I'm hyper aware
It's like he timed his slap for maximum pain
Well as someone who was already working in IT from the age of 15, when I was done with school it just meant I could now work full time and earn more money so was quite happy to skip all the end of school BS.
My only regret is that because of that it put me off higher education when it would have been free to me whereas now anything I want to do would cost a fortune.
So instead I found google..
Now I just learn just enough to do what I want.
Using google will work to some extent, but the people who are really good at what they do and are respected need to have the ability to troubleshoot and lead. You can’t really do this by googling. I get what you are saying, but as someone with 20 years experience in IT, higher education definitely helped me.
Companies can replace you with google . But .. wait .. who put up all the info that you can google ?
@@BobDevV asked for work experience there, at the end of two weeks got offered a weekend job doing pc repairs.
If you've got the enthusiasm, interest and some level of skills the only thing holding you back is excuses..
I'm 39 years old and I love this channel and yes my grandfather has told me many stories about his one room School House
I've done both classroom and online training at the tertiary level - I'd encourage everyone to look at the latter option if only to see if it fits. I was impressed at how much more I communicated with fellow classmates and the instructors than when I was forced to endlessly travel to and from a university which may or may not have been especially close to where I lived. I certainly learned more and enjoyed it much more. Perhaps just me....
"It feels like it matters at the time" - and I was there on my graduation yawning and checking my watch.. ahh, good times.
I’m so glad I didn’t have to sit through graduation tbh
The problem with online learning is that it requires everyone to have access to the internet, which isn’t true everywhere. Often it limits the amount of work that those with internet are able to do in order to not put anyone at a disadvantage
Well.... Elon is working on it. It's called Starlink -> www.starlink.com/
I think i's stupid that public education by default makes everyone go the speed of the slowest student.
Jakob Skurdal Starlink, while a massive achievement, is not the solution. The solution is getting these people out of poverty
I'm 74 yo and went to a one room school in PA. Five large windows facing north. Each
row of desk was for one of 5 grades. Heated with a pot-belly stove. Mrs McCoy was the
one & only teacher. Still on google earth at 40.54967 -78.62656 w/ windows boarded.
11:23 yes! i personally did great with the online classes because i could just get all my work done in one go and be done for the week, corona saved me from failing (went from straight d's bordering on f's to straight b's and a's). i see people talking constantly about how terrible moving to online classes was, and it always annoys me how kids that actually do very well in this kind of learning environment are completely overlooked because the already favorite students that thrive in a normal school environment have to struggle for a couple months like we have for our whole lives. i honestly hope that with corona that this improves the state of online classes as an option for students so less kids have to just barely pass. i struggled through school, i almost didn't graduate, and this is largely due to untreated adhd and other disorders, and to be completely honest i'm thankful quarantine happened because of how much it saved me from completely failing.
I really love your videos man...Keep it up :D
Hey! I'm watching this and I went to a one room schoolhouse
And for gym class the teacher sent you all outside to chop wood and feed the horses.
The problem you will face with not understanding basics because you can look them up is "garbage in/garbage out". The user needs to understand when the request is rubish let alone the resulting answer. Being able to estimate accurately allows for light bulb moments to be thought through. You need to know when an answer is wrong more than when it's right.
Joe; I'm 44. I'm basically the same age you are, right? My grandmother went to a one room school house. She was born in 1918. The school was made of brick and still crumbling at a corner 800 feet away from her house till I was in high school.
Loved the video. I slept through it a couple of times and had some great inventive dreams. Including a new design for a seaplane, and a halfpipe made of water where the ramps are made of jets of water. Its great,
Kids are motivated to go to school because their friends are there. As a teacher (now retired) I learned that pretty quickly. School is more than supplying content. Higher education (undergrad anyway) is about immersing yourself with a group of people who all share an intense interest, fascination in a given subject. I'm not sure how an online class is going to support that. Partially maybe, but I would feel cheated taking online classes to replace my experiences in higher ed.
Exactly! “Education” is not merely about absorbing "information". It’s a _social_ experience. Throughout school and university being with a bunch of pals, having fun together, discussing and learning from each other, are every bit as important and valuable as the “course work”. I feel sad for future generations if they are to miss out on all that.
And what about practical “hands on” aspects of learning: doing actual science experiments, _making_ things in art or carpentry lessons etc. - stuff that can’t be learned from books or by staring at a computer screen (or, in my day, a blackboard...).
"What's a blackboard?" (-;
Somehow the notification to this video made me happy. Thank you 🙏🏻
When my family moved to this little town of about 100 houses, (which was not way out in the boondocks) they were building an elementary school to house K-8 grades. The school they were moving from was a two-room school. The year was 1972. The little two-room school has become the town library. C-19 has taught us we really don’t need schools at all anymore (nor the library, for that matter)
I graduated high school in Australia in 2013 and my education was definitely more focused on critical thinking and 'life skills' rather than facts so I think education is already evolving that way. It'll be interesting to see how the education system has changed following the pandemic (my sister is graduating high school this year and has absolutely thrived with online learning)