The Greatest Piece of Communist Art: Chicken Run
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- It's finally here, the definitive examination of perhaps the most accomplished piece of radical art in history: Chicken Run.
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Interesting to note here is that Aardman Studios, who produced this have become a worker owned business.
Peter Lord and David Sproxton really did give All Power To The Workers Council
That's awesome, I had no idea
Really? I had no idea
That's excellent.
Omg, that makes me so happy!
I think Rocky's gender and nationality also signifies him as a metaphor for people who aren't directly affected by a systemic injustice and only help fight against it when it's convenient for them.
You could also examine his role through a lens of Disabilities Studies, because he is the only young, able-bodied male. He is in a much less vulnerable position than everyone else because of his privilege.
Well most roosters are slaughtered before they’re a day old. The few they keep though get a lot of hens
@@infidelheretic923 most roosters don't talk either. I was speaking about the function of roosters in the film not on actual farms..
Reformist libs :)
Cringe
If you wanted to go for a feminist critique, it's interesting how with Rocky also being a male he has less of a stake in the fight. As we see with Fowler, the only elderly chicken, his life isn't on the line like the ladies' are. So Rocky isn't as invested in their struggle from a male perspective also.
Edit: Also Mrs. Tweedy is basically Thatcher.
The male chickens have plenty at stake. Whenever a male chicken is born, he is almost certainly immediately sent to slaughter. There is a reason there is only one male rooster on the farm: they just need the one to serve for reproduction purposes. So there is actually a bit of reversal here. Male chickens can't produce any labour of value to the farmers outside of sexual reproduction. Necropolitics comes into play again. When they become free, gender equality becomes possible because Fowler's labour as an educator and caretaker holds value despite these not producing material profit.
@@thecrimsonender While that certainly does explain Fowler's stake in the revolution. He's probably seen several boys gets taken away over the years, but I'm talking specifically about Rocky as an outsider. He's from the circus, he doesn't fully understand how important it is for them to escape, which is why he doesn't take his job all that seriously (at first).
@@jdprettynails That's true. But then, wouldn't this disconnect be more a matter of class and "nationality" than gender, then?
@@antonioscendrategattico2302 Not saying that gender is the sole reason, just that it could also be a contributing factor.
@@jdprettynails he's a circus animal, so I do think class and nationality is more of a factor here. He wouldn't be expected to lay eggs even if he was a hen. I'd also like to point out that the eggs aren't intended to be a symbol of reproduction in Chicken Run, but a symbol of labour. Hens don't need to have sex to produce eggs. They produce them anyway.
The beauty of Rocky being a “Lone Free Ranger” not only for the pun but the underlying implication of him being a “free range” chicken. Free range chickens are still exploited under capitalism, so this shows how despite his physical freedom he is still serving capital’s interests nonetheless. He can’t be free just as a lone free ranger.
that and 'free range' doesn't even have a determined amount of space per chicken or even outdoor time. it's a label the animal ag industry made up because they knew people would take it on without question and feel better about the animals they consume
That’s the Illusion of Freedom.
I think its great that you acknowledged your human privilege and reached out to the chicken community for their thoughts.
As a member of the chicken community I believe this is a very essential discussion that needs to be had
All joking aside, I use this film in my "Ethics and the Right to the City" courses to teach intersectional approaches to workers' struggles and animal liberation.
"Ginger could write Discipline and Punish, but Foucault couldn't write Chicken Run." JohntheDuncan
Foucault could NEVER
@@ja3424 rigid structural dogma of communism?? Wtf?? Do you even know what communism is? Like, at all?
@@ja3424 r/iamverysmart
@@ja3424 tell us how communism is a rigid dogma LOL... this should be good
@@ja3424 you've edited your original comment... poor form
If I had a nickel for every animated kids movie starring animals that critiques capitalism, whose plot involves building a giant mechanical bird - I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it is weird that it happened twice.
wait whats the other one?
@@Dontreadthis0 A bug's life
@@samuelwilkin5 I always thought they were basically the same film. Right down to the circus performers who are supposed to be the ones to save everyone.
@@samuelwilkin5 i thought you were referring to Robots
@@ja3424 it's not anti capitalism by any means, but that's a bit of a stretch.
The best part of this video was you repeatedly calling Mrs Tweedy a Neo-liberal feminist girl-boss. Iconic
She’s Thatcher
@@sizor3dsThatcher is the original girlboss
Waitaminute did Chicken Run manage to present productive and reproductive labor as part of the same class in a way that is easily processed by even a child, and limit attempts to argue for some hierarchy of the two as liberal bullshit? ...Mother of god.
That needs to be stated again, but louder. MOTHER OF GOD....
THIS THIS THIS🤯😍
@Chaim Mendel Revolution at Point Zero is a great deep dive on this, yeah.
You celebrate the liberation of the film's chickens, yet you seem to own chickens yourself.......... very curious. ........
How do you eggspect him to maintain the Egg Monopoly for the whole of the Normal Island?
the chickens must take their freedom, it cannot be given, for the prison is in the mind.
im obsessed w this comment
😮
this but unironically 🌱
You may call this a joke or a shitpost, but you've convinced me that this movie is a communist masterpiece
Cool profile pic
cave story.
I don't think it was at all meant to be a joke
@@The_Real_Flump I really hope it is.
CURLY BRAAAAAAAAACE!!!!!
Also interesting how Mrs. Tweedy never considers the future far enough to think about what happens after all the chickens that have are dead
I thought about that too. The egg business was less profitable, but more sustainable. 🤓
The drive for capital accumulation
Possibly on purpose, to display how short sighted capitalism is. You can't have a continuously growing economy with finite resources.
Um breed more? Or buy more? You think they only can use those chickens?
@@Claptain_Planet And bang goes that magical sought after profit margin
I think Fowler represents three groups that get neglected and simultaneously used by capitalism for various ends: elderly, disabled, and veterans. These groups are political footballs that people in power can use to manipulate the populace, but then conveniently ignored.
"I'm sick and tired of making miniscule profits" is one of the most quotable lines in the film. I love using it when doing my mocking impression of a capitalist.
The fact that at @14:31 Bunty, the one who lays the most eggs and is therefore the most secure in the current system, is the one who suggests not trying to escape, just keeping on in the current system. This video is eye opening.
YES!
I think the sequel should be about how, in order to keep their freedom, they must work with other chickens in other farms to achieve world revolution. Otherwise what’s stopping the Tweedies or other farmers/hunters attacking their paradise?
YES
Damn, the fact that a sequel just came out recently made this comment age well
I also think it’s worth mentioning how the imagery of the farm brings to mind n@zi concentration camps, implying a connection between capitalism and fascism
This was how the movie was presented to us in my class. (In California). But just as a representation of the Nazi regime. Completely skipping over capitalism.
@@SunflowerLilypad interesting how you can easily bend the meaning of a film about capitalism into a film about N@zism......very interesting......
@@SunflowerLilypad it has nothing to do with capitalism
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hlthe main drive for the antagonist is profit. Literally taking the production of the working class for their own, and destroying the working class in the process. That has nothing to do with capitalism?
@@passionate_possum_pal you do realize that the profit is thousands of years older than capitalism right?
don't lower yourself. this is not a shitpost. this is probably one of the best video essays of the year
*Intense agreement*
HARD AGREE.
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oh, yeah, i am thoroughly convinced this movie is a communist masterpiece
The Yoke of Oppression had me literally LOL
Yes! Thank you first person to mention that
The only way it could be more on the nose if this exchange happened
Mr. Tweedy: "But I think the chickens are organizing, forming a society even."
Mrs. Tweedy: "There's no such thing as society!"
Rocky, a clown, or joker if you will: "We live in a society..."
Mrs Tweedy being boiled by the gravy, even though she didn't die, was always horrific to me as a kid
My sister will tell you with the evidence of several screenshots that Mr tweedy actually pushed a barn door on Mrs tweedy and she dies. I'm not sure still and I think she's the only kid that's ever noticed.
i never saw the actual scene because i looked away right after she fell down, but my mind creating its own imaginary by hearing he noises, and it have haunted me too. Really happy he didn't show that scene
@@renaissancewoman3770 i always interpreted it that way as a kid too, and i think especially in light of a broadly communist reading of the movie it does a great job of illustrating that when capitalists actually manage to lose their own death game, even their most loyal goons will turn on them once the paychecks and kickbacks stop coming (see for example how cops stop protecting the rich the few times that some owner class tyrant has genuinely fallen from grace, and therefore stopped being a profitable charge to protect)
god this explains why this movie was so haunting to me as a child in a way that i couldn't really express at the time. what a masterpiece
For realsies, it's just delicious. I adore the chicky babes and jammin' triumphant musical score.
This was fucking brilliant. Great work!
Cheers man!
I’ve only watched the European Portuguese dubbed version and when Rocky says he comes from the land of liberty, he gets asked if it’s Grândola. The song most associated with the coup that overthrew the fascist regime and which was banned and is called Grândola Vila Morena, played as one of the signals for the revolutionary troops.
Ah, the Carnation Revolution, that time a fascist dictator was overthrown by the power of fucking Eurovision.
Chicken Run and A Bug's Life are pretty similar. Both are movies where an underclass fights against a ruling class, not by individualistic self realization, but by collective effort.
And as someone else mentioned, they both involve frauds that work at a circus, and mechanical flying machines. Interesting coinkydinky
AntZ, too
Also robots 2005
@@kwarra-anI LOVED that movie! I used to watch it All the time because I really related to Z
I love the consistent cuts to Rocky getting slapped after each well deserved verbal jabs you take at him. It's truly beautiful.
Which soul shattering scene in a children's film is more emblematic of capitalisms calloused subjectification & destruction of the gentle worker: Edwina being eaten once she can no longer produce, or that helpless shoe in Who Framed Roger Rabbit getting melted just to prove a point to someone trying to stop the bulldozing of a marginalized community to put up a freeway?
Nice catch ! Now we need John's analysis of that too. Pretty please ???
The cars in A Brave Little Toaster that are being crushed into scrap because they are outdated and "worthless".
Or any of the chop shop scenes in Robots
It's the shoe for me. The way it screamed in pain and the eyes of plea still shatters me to this day.
It haunts me to this very day
"LIfe can't get better." Yeah. That's what haunted me most about Edwina's death. I mean, just the line "She didn't tell me. She didn't tell anyone!" The others would have covered for her, *but she didn't tell anyone!* She fell into the belief that dying was her only way out.
I think the most horrifying thing about Chicken Run is the idea of having to live in Britain
Didn't have to kick us while we were down :(
Worse, the film is clearly set in The Red Wall, which is a thing that definitely exists
oh my god
Truly hell.
Well how else do you slip in thatcher parallels without being so obvious about it
I knew I liked this movie as a kid for a reason. I remember even watching the DVD extras
It was always one of my favourites too, obviously, but we just had it on VHS and never got the pleasure of dvd extras
@@JohntheDuncan my copy was taped off of BBC 2 one Christmas.
Though we had a couple of store-bought VHS tapes which contained what were probably also DVD special features, after the credits: the 10 Wallace and Gromit shorts (automated fancy dinner, the cheese retrieval robot, etc) which spent more of the actual footage of tape on the special features (mostly a 30 minute documentary on Wallace and Gromit); the other being a Toy Story VHS which had a 15-20 minute segment about its production and history.
Very glad that the most eloquently anti-fascist movie in history ("there are no others what you talking about?") is getting the coverage it deserves.
It deserves it
The point about how "worthless" the farm has been before automation is especially poignant when made by stop-motion animators. Aardman's 3D work is just as awesome, IMHO, but that argument between the Tweedys firmly makes the point that using your hands to work and create has more meaning than money alone can define.
i was horrified by aardman's art style growing up, particularly the eyes and teeth. i would see wallace and gromit and have a fucking panic attack. i can't believe that fear led to me missing out on this anticapitalist masterpiece smh
Chicken Run 2 will be a Trotskyism inspired film in which the freed chickens will attempt to liberate other farms. There will be many failed attempts and several hen leaders will be executed. Great video.
And their leader will be Chicken Guvara.
I assume you were jesting, but thats the actual plot summary we've since had.
@@kennethferland5579che was heavily inspired by stalin.
Trotsky's ideas flip flopped and he betrayed the working class even Lenin thought he was a dickhead
At 12:45, the idea of imprisonment under capitalism as an escape from daily exploitation, this brought back a quote I remember reading years ago. It took some digging but I found it. In the biographical notes added to the 1918 English translation of Trotsky's "Our revolution":
"In 1900 we find him already in solitary confinement in the prisons of Odessa, devouring book after book to satisfy his mental hunger. No true revolutionist was ever made downhearted by prison, least of all Trotzky, who knew it was a brief interval of enforced idleness between periods of activity. After two and a half years of prison “vacation” (as the confinement was called in revolutionary jargon) Trotzky was exiled to Eastern Siberia, to Ust-Kut, on the Lena River, where he arrived early in 1902, only to seize the first opportunity to escape"
Comrade Babs, a true revolutionary.
Will be showing this to a friend the next time she asks why I think liberal individualism is poison.
Lol
The cutaways to interview the chickens were simultaneously touching and hilarious.
Let us not forget the final moments of Mrs.Tweedy, where Mr.Tweedy pushes down the door of the barn, presumably killing her, symbolic of how the members of the middle-class who manage the systems of oppression must also reject the upper classes who profit from that system for the world to be truly free from capitalism.
I’m glad to see you doing an interview with chickens in order to get their perspective on the film
They're essential stakeholders
I never do this but I genuinely paused halfway through and actually watched the movie
let's also appreciate the beautiful pun in "Lone Free Ranger". FREE RANGE CHICKEN!!
Could you please explain it to this poor non-native English speaker? 😔
@@Personal_Chizo The Lone Ranger is a cowboy hero from old American tv/films. Chicken meat and eggs which come from supposedly ethical farms are called Free Range, because they have more freedom than battery farmed chickens
I hope that was helpful
@@gingganggoolie Thank you! Yeah, I remember TLR, but "Free Range" was only a song by The Fall until today for me lol.
I don't know if this is high effort shitposting or serious film analysis. Either way, this is impressive, so I can only subscribe.
Both.
@@Karin-fj3eu (I'm late but) that's what makes it so beautiful to behold
As someone who grew up in the North of England- Fowler is everything you said he is, but he's also definitely a real person that lived a few doors down from literally everyone in the North. He grows almost only onions in his garden, and is superb.
Well, I’m sold. I’m not going to chicken walk, but chicken run to my nearest purveyor of fine films to buy this on blu-ray!
As an American, I'd like to assert that your characterization of Rocky as a liberal individualist is.... accurate. Lol
I mean of course. Rocky is American it's kinda just assumed
Me and my fiance quote the"...like a fish" line constantly.
We constantly quote ‘i don’t wanna be a pie.... I don’t like gravy’ 😅
I like "my life flashed before my eyes...... it was really boorin"
My life has been a never ending sequence of "I told you they was organized!"
this is amazing analysis. i know you did this partly as a joke, but jack halberstam has this to say on chicken run:
'In this film an anarchist's utopia is actually realised as a stateless place without a farmer, an unfenced territory with no owners, a diverse (sort of, they are mostly female) collective motivated by survival, pleasure, and the control of one's own labour. [...] They find their way there by eschewing a 'natural' solution to their imprisonment (flying out of the coop using their wings) and engineering an ideological one (they must all pull together to power the plane they build). Chicken Run also rejects the individualistic solution offered by Rocky the Rooster (voiced by Mel Gibson) in favour of group logics'.
- Jack Halberstam, The Queer Art of Failure
A long-standing childhood favorite of mine. I’m sure it had a tremendous impact on my ideological development as well, in addition to just being a real fun movie.
I watched that movie so many times as a kid. The pie machine was particularly horrific
YUP
I had nightmares for years because of that fucking machine
My parents wonder how I ended up like this like I didn’t watch Chicken Run twice a week my entire childhood
This is what we should be discussing in English instead of Animal Farm
Well, that was weirdly salient. Glorious work, comrade.
You know, weirdly salient is the best review
This came out on video when I worked at Blockbuster - I ended up giving a promotional standee of Ginger to my now husband for Christmas.
This is one of the best films ever made.
I never realised how intense the themes of revolution are present in this movie-amazing analysis 💀✨
i confused the movie names i thought from the times you mentioned this idea you somehow wanted to find leftist themes in Chicken Little (2005) 😭 .... this makes a LOT more sense lmao
lol same
Legitimately love this- i think it can be easy to write off 'kids movies' , especially comedies, as shallow and without themes. But theyre not! A lot of what we see as common sense is built for us in childhood, and funny shit sticks with you just as well as tragic and profound shit. As a dyed in the wool grumpy pretencious bastard, i second your motion and hereby propose that chocken run is the greatest peice of socialist media of all time.
I was always told it was a metaphor for the soviet workcamps.
This makes much more sense tho
The Soviet Union was essentially capitalism of the state. There was nothing really socialist let alone communist about it. Either one works.
@@Shittyrapper lmao what the hell are you talking about
@@tortoiseboy2331the fact that people think the soviet union was communist, means that Lenin is still to this day pulling the wool over the eyes of the working class.
Reading literally any of the formative communist literature - Marx, Engels, Kropotkin, frankly any will do - will erode any notion that The Soviet Union had created a communist state.
@@tortoiseboy2331socialism is the social ownership of the means of production. The Soviet government engaged in state ownership, and the people most certainly did not control the state. Even in a perfect democracy, it still may not qualify as social ownership. Worker co-ops on the other hand...
My parents wonder how I ended up a leftist… but they let me have this on repeat as a child
The perfect mix between sincerity and satire is what makes this hilarious.
IT'S HERE!
Finally
Id fight my classmates over control over the computer in my Primary 1 class so that I could play the Chicken Run game. I'm a clucked Marxist now and I feel like this correlation is the only reason for my tankie ways.
I appreciate the journalistic integrity in interviewing hens irl😂 I remember these similar themes throughout childhood films and yet elders are suprised by youngers views
POV: Your tinder date brought you to his bedroom but only wanted to talk about a kid's movie.
And you love it
Chicken Run Main Theme (arr. for brass) as anthem of the revolutionary Northern Republic
The image of rocky being slapped will forever be with me.
"I told you they was organized" is I think one of the most succinct and solid points in favor of your argument that the video is about collective action more than just a Hogan's Heroes-esque war camp teamwork movie.
Imagine trying to anayse _Chicken Run_ without having read Hegel. Pfft.
Nerd
He said dialectics a lot though, does that not count?
I also really love the parallel that can be drawn between the shortsighted plan to turn all your chickens into pies for immediate profit without regards for what comes after you run out of chickens (I know they can probably buy more chickens but still)- to the way that modern capitalism churns through resources in order to sustain this notion of infinite growth, a system that inevitably will collapse under it's own weight.
Mrs Tweedy's maiden name was Nestle
The Gramsci hoodie, the accent, the vivid marxist analysis of this stop motion chicken movie. I love you
Always had a feeling Aardman were possibly fellow travelers, some of their earlier work is animations based on recordings of a prison, a dole office and an interview with somebody who had been in the prison system. All people and places many studios wouldn't want to acknowledge.
How could I not LOVE THIS. I cannot tell you how incredible this breakdown of the movie is. Particularly the ideas behind the "rugged" individualism of Rocky and how clever and sneaky those ideas come to us and warm us to capital.... Appreciate the post. Getting deeper into the ideology and really needed the ideas here.
What I want to know is had all the interviewed chickens seen the film on their own, or did you host a viewing?
Certainly a better film, from a political point-of-view than Babe. The latter perpetuates the liberal myth of equal opportunities and individual advancement within capitalism, with Babe the worker who escapes his class position.
Although he uses his familiarity with the shop floor to manage in a softer (albeit more manipulative) way than previously, the workforce are still going to be fleeced. The only character who tells the truth in the entire film is Ferdinand the Duck.
Chicken run and robots were a couple of my favourite movies as a kid. Makes sense im a commie.
Also when youre doing your chicken interview bits you look like crowley from good omens
What a vibe!
these and a bug's life
Robots had such a horrible third act turn to being pro-Capitalism propaganda. I never forgave BlueSky for that.
@@daniel6678 bugs life is an absolute masterpiece
@@Wimikk Antz is even better.
also if not obvious Rocky's nickname is a pun. Red Ranger's are a common alternative meat bird to the commercial Cornish Cross meat breed. basically they are better at living outdoors free-range in fields.
Thanks for the like John but it came so quick after my post that I'm worried it means you're spending too much time the internet.
ahhh I absolutely love Chicken Run so much. I actually saw it in theaters when I was 11, and it totally blew my mind. Thank you sooo much for this analysis. I need to go find a copy of the movie to watch, now. omg...
as a side note: I'm autistic, and I'm pretty sure I stopped eating chicken after seeing Chicken Run as a show of solidarity. I went full vegetarian for over a decade just to get people to stop trying to make me eat my feathered comrades... xD
I love this so much, and I also was traumatized by that one scene. Chicken Run radicalized me.
This was one of my favourites as a kid and honestly it’s not surprising I’m as radical as I am today lmao
Man, I haven't seen this since the VHS days. Watched it a bunch as a kid though.
along with cinematic masterpiece cats and dogs, six year old me thought this movie was peak comedy. thank u for this analysis
"This is about all of us"
So much power in such a simple sentence
What i've gotten from this is that Mrs. Tweedy is Maggie Thatcher......
I'm now a marxist-gingerist
Truly never expected a chicken run video essay but I guess that’s the point we’re at
A point wee reached way too late imo
"And meanwhile, the chickens are getting organized.", thank you, I had a laugh at that at.
Congrats on cracking 100k views on this! Officially your Chicken Run era 🎂🍾 🎉
Thank you for making this vitally important content
It's my most important work, Mandy
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What is a shitpost, anyway? All I watched was a heartfelt critique of a great piece of art. No notes. 10/10
This is not a shitpost, my man.
Mfer said shitpose
this is very serious material john
you seem so casual and conversational, and yet, the presentation is completely organized, with no instances of "um, er, and uh..."
Honestly, you got me engrossed in a half-hour video essay on Chicken Run and made me realize how I was always a communist. That deserves a subscription from me to you, I believe!
Ginger believed that one should be driven by doing the right thing. You don't work for money or barter or to get things.
You work because it's right.
She was exasperated by Rocky for this. Freeing the others was motivation enough for her and she expected it would be enough for him.
Babs represents the ultimate futility of educating the proletariat, for even as she comes to believe in herself and fights for and achieves her own liberation, we do not know if, by the end of the film, she comes to like gravy. Gravy is cracking.
I wish the great escape also ended with he prisoners blowing up the Nazis while flying out on a homemade flapping airplane.
Also should we address that Rocky is voiced by Mel Gibson? Actually nevermind...
You know, I mentioned why it's important he's american and I could talk about how it's Mel Gibson but fuck that's a whole rabbit hole
@@JohntheDuncan y’all so filled with hate. Lol
Persuaded my family to watch Chicken Run on Christmas because of this :)
I FINALLY got around to watching this, and I was not disappointed!
Hell yeah my magnum opus!
the only problem with this film is that Ginger and Mac (the nerd chicken) had infinitely better chemistry than Ginger and Rocky and it is blatantly homophobic that Ginger and Mac didn't end up together but the main female and male protagonists did. Yes, I'm still angry about it.
I have watched this more than five times. It's great 🥰🥰🥰
Very compelling argument. I think it is definitely a communist film.
You could also argue that Mr. Tweedy is representative of traditionalists. They hold onto an idealized past and are the most paranoid about leftists. "Order and progress" Lberals like Ms. Tweedy are less paranoid, but spur on the events that lead to the uprising. Ironically, the more paranoid traditionalists would have probably faced no uprising under their status quo. Reminds me of how the rise of liberals in Mexico lead to the Mexican Revolution. Traditionalists wanted to protect the land rights of poor+Indigenous people because that was part of their natural order, while liberals favored mass privatization that lead to destitution.
Not a leftist, but I'll sub.
The interviews of actual chickens really elevate this piece
I love this video the way you love Chicken Run
my mom and I have repeated “I don’t want to be a pie!… I don’t like gravy” since the movie came out lol