I learned from a Venezuelan priest and apologist, Father Luis Toro, that Christians, especially Catholics, do not celebrate dates, we commemorate events, and in this case, the greatest of all when God became flesh, the climax of human redemption.
A former girlfriend of mine was born in northern Iraq in 1968. Her birthday was December 30 but that was simply the date that the family registered her birth with the state (i.e., the date on her birth certificate). She did not know her actual birthday but they celebrated it on that day. I suppose her parents would have remembered the exact date, but apparently it wasn't that important.
Fun fact: the way romans remembered their age was by the emperor that was ruling them. For example, instead of saying “i was born in 21B.C” they would say something like “i was born around 6 years into Augustus’ reign”. Its also why we have A.D., Anno Domini which means Year of our lord, since we are now under his reign.
I was talking to a friend of mine, who is a Saudi Muslim, and Muslims have a tradition about when Jesus was born, I told him we don't celebrate Christmas because we believe it's when Jesus was born, we celebrate Christmas because we believe Jesus was born.
When I was a child in the 1960s, pre-Maoist Revolution missionaries to China said that Chinese people all celebrated the Chinese New Year as their birthdate. Everyone added a year to their age on that date. The first year of life was counted as being age 1, no matter howb long it had been since their birth when the New Year came. So if a baby was born in the day before the New Year, that baby would be counted as 2 years old on New Year's Day, right along with the baby that had been born on the previous New Year's Day. I don't know if they still have that practice.
Which celebrations came first: Annunciation, The Nativity of John the Baptist, or Christmas? For any of these dates to make sense they have to be scheduled nine and six months from Christmas.
That is partly based on astronomy. But seems like they are typically off by one year. So I tend to go with September 11, 4BC. It has to be either one of those dates.
Concerning Christ's birthday: How close of a range could we get with Take all of the credible, independently verifiable statements (i.e. his birth taking place during rulers' reigns) and put them on to one timeline. What range would that give us?
I think it would've been good to at least mention the claims of census records by Justin Martyr and Tertullian (and maybe Pope Julius), even if there's not much there.
There is no "year zero" in the common reckoning system because the year system was invented before zero began to be used in European mathematics. A.D. 1 (in theory) is "the first year of Our Lord (Anno Domini)--that is, between Jesus' birth and his first birthday, while 1 B.C. (in theory) is the first year before Jesus' birth--that is, the twelve months before his birth (approximately). In reality, this system if off by 2-3 years, but that's the logic behind no "year zero."
Great podcasts. Future topic that would be interesting on the conspiracy/history events would be the USS Liberty incident. So few people even know anything about it, never mind the changing official stories.
Jesus was born Sunday, March 1, 7 BC. He was born in the latter reign of Herod the Great. Herod died in 4 BC. He should have been born in the royal month of September the month dynasts should be born. Jesus was allotted the 15th of September as his official birthdate and to be in line for Messianic requirement.
I learned from a Venezuelan priest and apologist, Father Luis Toro, that Christians, especially Catholics, do not celebrate dates, we commemorate events, and in this case, the greatest of all when God became flesh, the climax of human redemption.
A former girlfriend of mine was born in northern Iraq in 1968. Her birthday was December 30 but that was simply the date that the family registered her birth with the state (i.e., the date on her birth certificate). She did not know her actual birthday but they celebrated it on that day. I suppose her parents would have remembered the exact date, but apparently it wasn't that important.
Thanks for confirming my point! :-)
Fun fact: the way romans remembered their age was by the emperor that was ruling them. For example, instead of saying “i was born in 21B.C” they would say something like “i was born around 6 years into Augustus’ reign”. Its also why we have A.D., Anno Domini which means Year of our lord, since we are now under his reign.
Dang that is a really cool fact
I was talking to a friend of mine, who is a Saudi Muslim, and Muslims have a tradition about when Jesus was born, I told him we don't celebrate Christmas because we believe it's when Jesus was born, we celebrate Christmas because we believe Jesus was born.
When I was a child in the 1960s, pre-Maoist Revolution missionaries to China said that Chinese people all celebrated the Chinese New Year as their birthdate. Everyone added a year to their age on that date. The first year of life was counted as being age 1, no matter howb long it had been since their birth when the New Year came. So if a baby was born in the day before the New Year, that baby would be counted as 2 years old on New Year's Day, right along with the baby that had been born on the previous New Year's Day. I don't know if they still have that practice.
The queen of England has two birthdays, her own celebration and the state celebration, our Lord can have two if he wants too :)
From Catholic Answers Focus. Jesus likely died on the cross around 3pm, Friday, April 3, 33.
Which celebrations came first: Annunciation, The Nativity of John the Baptist, or Christmas? For any of these dates to make sense they have to be scheduled nine and six months from Christmas.
I love your podcast. What about the Star of Bethlehem? Aren’t there studies on what that star actually was in the sky and when it was in the sky?
I saw a documentary years ago that explored that. If I remember correctly, it supported a December or at least winter birth.
September 11th 3 BC
That is partly based on astronomy. But seems like they are typically off by one year. So I tend to go with September 11, 4BC.
It has to be either one of those dates.
Concerning Christ's birthday: How close of a range could we get with Take all of the credible, independently verifiable statements (i.e. his birth taking place during rulers' reigns) and put them on to one timeline. What range would that give us?
Basically, evidence stacking points to Jesus being born in 3/2 B.C. Beyond that, it gets harder to say.
I think it would've been good to at least mention the claims of census records by Justin Martyr and Tertullian (and maybe Pope Julius), even if there's not much there.
Jimmy, have you read or seen Taylor Marshall's book/video on this topic? Thoughts if you have?
Fr. Paulo Ricardo thought us about this Sol Invictus origin.
Why is there no 0? Would that not equate to 100, 200 or 2020 for that matter?
There is no "year zero" in the common reckoning system because the year system was invented before zero began to be used in European mathematics. A.D. 1 (in theory) is "the first year of Our Lord (Anno Domini)--that is, between Jesus' birth and his first birthday, while 1 B.C. (in theory) is the first year before Jesus' birth--that is, the twelve months before his birth (approximately). In reality, this system if off by 2-3 years, but that's the logic behind no "year zero."
Great podcasts. Future topic that would be interesting on the conspiracy/history events would be the USS Liberty incident. So few people even know anything about it, never mind the changing official stories.
a jewish child, herod and a census......IT MATTERS.... do your homework....
Why am I not surprised you're familiar with MST3K? :D
Why do you think my Twitter handle is @jimmyakin3000? When I couldn't get just my name, it was the logical choice. :-)
Jesus was born Sunday, March 1, 7 BC. He was born in the latter reign of Herod the Great. Herod died in 4 BC. He should have been born in the royal month of September the month dynasts should be born. Jesus was allotted the 15th of September as his official birthdate and to be in line for Messianic requirement.
We cover and respond to the claim that Herod died in 4 B.C. in the episode. Check it out! 🙂