There was a joke list I saw around that time, "Things we'd like to see happen in the X-Men comics", of which the final entry was "A new character is introduced who, after extensive testing and research, is shown to be no relation to Scott Summers whatsoever".
I have mixed feelings about that crossover. It's like, half of it is amazing, the other half is awful, and what could have been a great ending is undone in order to keep characters alive.
@@arthurdotson9579 I don't remember clones, but I know there were 2 separate alternate Reed Richards, one from an alternate dimension and another from an alternate earth made by a cosmic being or something. And these stories were both contained in the same treasury I read as a kid.
I actually spat out some of the water I was drinking because I laughed so hard after I read that Now my husband is wet and just a wee bit put out with me. Lol
@@CasuallyComics My favorite time traveling Summers child is Rachel, end of story, but Rachel is definitely a child of the 80s. Cable had grit but eventually I just called him X-Punisher.
Remember when Cable was also supposed to be Ahab, another time traveler (whose own identity was changed a few times). Ah, good old, throw and see what sticks writing.
I like the Summers family dynamic, even though it's a fixed moment in time and problematic story wise. I mean there is another time traveling under appreciated Mutant not tied to the Summers family.... Bishop
@@Estarfigam let see there 3 time traveler that I know of that part of the x men and two are summers family member. somehow bishop is left out. poo Rachel she not as popular as cable or bishop now
That clone talk had me thinking of clone storylines in general. The "Am I real or a clone?" question always comes up, but I can't think of any story that didn't just make me ask "Why is being the clone such a bad thing?" in my smaller reading library. That said, most of my readings on clones are from the cyberpunk genre.
I think it goes to how people view themselves. If you're the "original" then you are the "real" one and the other is fake. It's a way of validating yourself. The same thing can show up in stories where people's minds are able to be duplicated. For me all versions with the same experiences and memories are equally real and the same person. If/until they start diverging of course.
In that vein, at the end of 'Idoru' by Wm. Gibson, didn't the replicator machines or whatever make countless duplicates off her in this sorta ominous cliffhanger?
I feel like this kinda how Young Justice ends up. Only one clone of a few spirals and its more so because of guilt as he thought he was the original and felt guilty for stealing somebodys life without realizing it. Also Clone Wars
"It wasn't part of the thought process when he was created." Because if Rob Liefeld ever had an original thought it died of boredom very quickly as a survival mechanism to keep his head from exploding
All of the editorial meddling with the X-books finally killed off the books that were originally born by editorial meddling. Namely New Mutants and X-Factor. The problem with early nineties Marvel was all the high sales volume blinded them with dollar signs. The artists were selling books by the hundreds of thousands every month no matter what the story, so who needs writers? Well, mutants needed Chris Claremont (with Ann Nocenti and Louise Simonson). Otherwise you just get musclebound dudes with lol guns and lol pouches hovering about with ill-defined anything else. But hey, at least you have all those artists in-house and they won’t ever all leave at once to form their own company to grab all those dollar signs, right?
Honestly the situation is as bad now but for different reasons. Marvel a corporate cringe to a T. Its a struggle between shallow artists and pretentious writers/writers who misunderstand the mechanics of the genre. Of course in both eras there will be exceptions
From what I heard I would say editor are good when they say what the author can't do but horrible when they push for an agenda.When they say what you can't do because it is too dark or doesn't fit the character or story it create often a lot of creativity . On the other side editorial demands ends up always pushing characters in the ooc or you have an artefact which doesn't fit in your continuum. During the Bendis & Hickman time there was no control what they are doing and a lot of editorial forced events this is what killed Marvel comics for me.
@@227060 Can you be please less pretentious and not calling the worker of Marvel "shallow or pretentious" just because they follow political idea you disagree.
Exactly. As a person trying to learn how to write, when someone would say, "this bit doesn't work and here's why," I would generally see something I COULD do. But if they said, "You should do it MY way," my creative juices dried up immediately.
@@Fiercesoulking I agree but for the last 20-30 years editors have had a real problem saying no to writers because writers have become 'Big Name Creators' just as artists were in the 1990s. The reality is, especially for stuff like Marvel or DC, the character should come first and the creative team second. I'm not saying they aren't important but Bendis' Iron Man and Superman runs were promoted off the back of Bendis being the guy who was working on them, not what was actually set to happen in them. It wasn't 'come read Supes or Shellhead where this will be happening' it was 'come see bendis perform his cover of Supes and Shellhead live live live!!!!!' The writer was not only 'visible' within the story but pushed to the forefront as more important than the characters.
It's a shame that the writers coming up with Cable didn't just take the thought just one step further... I mean, keep the blood relationship with Cyclops, the metal arm, the bionic eye, the time-travel concept - keep everything else the same, but imagine if instead of being Cyclops' _son_ from the _future,_ Cable was instead his _grandfather_ from the _past...?_ Hear me out - instead of the pretty-obvious "grew up in a dystopian future" gimmick which was sorta hackneyed by that time (I mean, we'd only recently had Rachel Summers and Nimrod already coming from a similar future within the last few years, in the X-books alone), Cable could instead be Scott's grandfather who was sent _forward_ in time from the forties (maybe as a volunteer for some sort of weird Weapon Plus experiment in a botched attempt to use time-travel to stop World War II before it started, or just coincidentally sucked up in the wake of a time-warp caused by someone from the future coming back to try and kill Hitler or something). The first place he gets transported to is the future - specifically the same possible future the Nathan Summers we actually _got_ grew up in - where he loses an arm and an eye and gets all bionic and whatnot after being drawn into the rebellion as an experienced soldier with front-line experience in his old life, but he does all this as an _adult,_ having grown up in the same general environment as Steve Rogers in the early 1940's before suffering severe culture-shock (not to mention PTSD) by being thrown into the future and an even _more_ apocalyptic war than the one he left. After that, just pick up the story as normal from there - futuristic time-travel tech sends him back the same as in our real-world timeline, and you still get Cable leading the New Mutants... but now he has a more layered backstory. Perhaps he was even chosen for the job not only because of his skills, but also because he might acclimate better to the 20th century given his past. Who knows - maybe this version of Cable fought as a GI on the front lines in Europe with Sergeant Fury's Howling Commandos and Captain America before being displaced in time? Maybe he bumped into Charles Xavier once in the old days as a civilian, when he could still walk and had hair? Maybe he once met Wolverine with his squad, drinking in a bar on leave in recently-liberated France when he was still some cigar-chomping Canadian grunt who hid his healing factor and bone-claws named James Howlett? None of these people (except maybe Wolverine and his famous nose) would be likely to recognise him after all that cybernetic remodeling, so it's entirely feasible that he could've been retconned to be a minor character in the background of some of those old Nazi-punching Marvel stories from WWII who was never important enough to name or point out before because he was just some uniform in the corner of a panel somewhere - the comics equivalent of a Redshirt, if you will. Plus, everyone looks at Cable and says "future guy" - the arm, the eye, the guns and all those pouches - and yep, they're right. Wouldn't it have been such an interesting twist if even that most _obvious_ of things about Cable had turned out not to be so simple...? Rather than being unrelatable because he comes from the _future,_ what if he's unrelatable because he comes from the _past_ instead...? Imagine Cap, Logan, the old white Nick Fury (since he fought in WWII and would still've been around before "Original Sin") and Cable all sitting in a bar, throwing back beers and exchanging war stories like a bunch of old jarheads on Veterans' Day... Cable would have a whole different set of war stories from his future combat as well, but there would still be this camaderie with those who fought together for the Allies in Europe against the Nazis. It would be a connection to the present via the past, rather than Cable being all alone and completely closed-off because nobody he could relate to had been born yet - he'd have memories of the war which hurt, but could still be shared with a select few... if still not his actual teammates. All the New Mutants would see of him was this hard-nosed drill instructor who never smiled and was always so intense and gruff - maybe this could all be revealed when they tailed him to find where he mysteriously disappeared to every Veterans' Day evening (as a one-shot memorial story), and find him hanging out with the other Marvel veterans and _laughing_ and sharing old stories about fighting the Germans alongside these old warhorses, talking about their own drill instructors and sergeants and boot-camp and life on the front. Maybe as a nod to how respected Captain America was in those days, Cable would instinctively salute Cap whenever they met, and revert back to his "Sir! Yes, sir!" GI training out of old habits. It would just add a different twist and a bit more depth to Cable's backstory and personality if he came from the _past_ before he came from the future, and almost give him two whole back-stories for the price of one. All this is probably too much to ask of nineties Marvel and their "tits 'n' guns 'n' muscles" aesthetic, I know, but wouldn't it have been cool...?
Cable has one of the most convoluted histories of any character in comics, it was not until Rob Liefeld abandoned him to co-cound Image and other writers and artists got a hold of him that he became a halfway decent character, funny how that tends to happen to a lot of characters that Liefeld creates. Speaking of one of which, I enjoyed the Cable & Deadpool book; and while it was a world away from what Rob originally intended for the character, Joe Casey's run on the Cable series was also a lot of fun. Keep making videos on comics, Sasha; and happy Canada Day, beautiful girl!
Leifeld has SOOO many artistic sins to attone for. I mean, what was the cognitive dysfunction that led to Styfe's look? "Okay... let's make a bad guy with the Sydney Opera House as a helmet!! And so many more bands around his wrists and ankles! HUUUUUGE tracks of shoulder pads! Spiky pauldrons for EVERYONE! HAHAHAHA!!!"
The top 40 worst Rob Liefeld drawings www.progressiveboink.com/2012/4/21/2960508/worst-rob-liefeld-drawings - #39 on the list is the Stryfe reveal, not to mention that 'Stryfe' is spelled with a 'y' because that's kewl (sic) - and 40 more www.progressiveboink.com/2012/6/14/3084348/the-second-40-worst-rob-liefeld-drawings
At first it was just pouches. Pouches everywhere. I even think the huge pouches were full of more pouches. Then it was massive guns. I mean, you could expect a big guy to just get "noisy cricketed" a mile back by the kickback of a cannon like the ones Cable packed ALL THE TIME. But Stryfe? How the hell could he even move, telekinesis? We should have known when we saw the first "deer ankle" that it was going to be bad. Look at poor Cap and his massive, asthmatic barrel chest... Kidding aside, Liefeld was SO freaking popular and to date I still can't get WHY.
Ever since getting the Marvel Unlimited app, I’ve been going back to X-Men stories and I recently read “X-Cutioner’s Song,” which is a typical multi-book crossover event starring Cable and Stryfe. While that’s cool, I actually REALLY liked Messiah War from the 2010-ish X-Force book. I believe some of your comic panels in this video are from that arc. Cable’s right in there, but it shows that Stryfe is still a formidable villain and definitely no pushover, especially with the amount of spikes he has on his costume. Typing this out makes me sad I missed buying the Stryfe Marvel Legends action figure a few years back. But yes - as a ‘90s kid, and a longtime X-Men fan, I’ve always liked Cable.
Wow I saw an interview where Leifield said that the idea of the baby growing up to be Cable in the future was totally his along with X-force. That was the main reason he left Marvel, not getting creative credits and control over "his" characters. I always thought Cable and X-force were his best ideas, I even wanted to see his storylines play out(in Xforce)
Yes, I am on board now. Really like your take on a man out of time - ranging from dramatic to mundane. It's so true! I like how you go into examples - "adventures slipping through time stream or the fact he is late for work because he stopped to get a coffee" I'm going to start using that on a daily basis. Don't worry Sasha, I will refer this exact video!
Haha, yeah, I remember Cable showing in weird comics as well as Wolverine and Gambit when he was hot. In the 90s they loved sprinkling popular characters into other stories for seemingly no reason other than to feature them on the cover to help sell more issues.
Did you ever get the period where Ghost Rider was SO hot, he even showed up to kill The Brood, in New Orleans, alongside Gambit that was ALSO too hot to handle? (Guest appearence by, you guessed it: Wolveroonie, whose second mutation is Ubicuity! He could be EVERYWHERE!) I dunno, but it all seems so... cheap now...
Ah Cable the beginning of the 90s gritty pouch covered and giant guns characters. Cable is the ultimate 90s comic book character and thus a design Liefield has used over again in his other characters, lots of pouches and big guns
I didnt know that!! I cant imagine him NOT tied to the Summers family. The first time I was introduced to Cable was The X Men cartoon ( 90s version). Stryfe is sometimes still used in the fan fiction of Cablepool.
You missed ANOTHER abandoned plot. Ahab wans't always Rory Campbell's future. When he appeared for the first time, Wolfsbane "recognizes" him as Cable, or better saying "Cable's future".
I'm kinda intrigued that someone in that era thought that "Quinn" was a really badass, macho name. That edgy manly-man would have been a contemporary of a certain medicine woman/doctor of the same name...
Aging up a child character is even worse in soap operas. One case on Days of Our Lives the baby out aged a child born before him and became that character's stepfather.
Speaking of Cable... would you ever consider doing a vid about Scott Summers, that guy was one of my faves growing up and these last few years he's been through a lot rip
Good video, thanks. I kinda feel Cable is cool as his own character. Cyclops always struck me as the all American jock, he seemed like his kids would be someone like X-Man, or white picket fence type stuff. Cable struck me as a hardened John Conner type from the future, seemed like he would have been orphaned with no explanation to his parents or no relations to the present, he's his own man, living his own life, with a future agenda, he's here, only cause his future requires him to be, his cool characater that goes beyond Scot bein his dad. Thanks for the Video, i was diggin it.
When I read the X titles back in the 90s Cable seemed to make the storyline more complicated than it needed to be when they talked about his origin. It made me give up on New Mutants/X Factor books
Cable was originally meant to be a mysterious cyborg who'd had previously untold adventures with characters from Wolverine to Deadpool. Early on, after his metal arm is melted by a member of Stryfe's team, Cable is shown in a jail cell finishing up assembling a new arm.
I knew I remembered scenes of him fixing his arm with tools, which contradicts the whole 'technoorganic viruse only kept at bay by his psychic powers'.
Cable was what I grew up on. Early to mid-nineties. I'm 37 now so....When Sabretooth was fugking SABRETOOTH!!! Tearing Wolvie a new azzhole....in laymans terms. LoL. Great work. Keep it up
Your knowledge of the comic book industry is amazing to me.your research into each topic is detailed and accurate.your narration,and explanation of each storyline and character is flawless.I am a huge comic book fan,as I am a huge fan of yours.
I love Louise Simonson. Especially her work on Power Pack. I try to flush the Cable thing out of mind and blame Rob Liefeld alone. Great job explaining this confusing character's origin
Clone stories in Marvel was really a thing in the '90s...it really made a mess in some storylines but this brought us interesting characters that we see today.
As with most things Marvel, I was introduced to Cable via the 90s cartoon. It is interesting to see the behind the scenes origins for the characters too. I have a mountain of about 80 collected Marvel stories from a subscription service that I still need to read. Some of which include Cable stories. I really should get round to that.
The thing I liked sbout Cable being Scott's son was that they didnt bring him back as a teen or the same age as his dad. This was a grizzled war veteran with decades more experience than his father. He was not going to just fall in line with his dad. Nine times out of ten the aged up kid troupe is going to fall flat (just look at all Wolverines brats), but this is that rare one that worked.
Being 10 and getting into X-Men in the early 90s I found the behind the scenes on this interesting. While I was able to read the Stryfe stuff not too long after it was written but I only found out baby Nathan pre-dated Cable a few years back when I was reading through X-Factor Essential trades as part of my quest to read every pre-93 X-book.
I think Melody Pond/River Song did the whole older-than-my-parents-because-time-travel thing better. But then I was never really invested in the Summers clan.
I was waiting for this video. Cable was one of my favorite characters. X-man is my favorite version of him though. Hope you get around to discussing the Age of Apocalypse in general at some point. Lot's of great stories in that era. The Summer's connection is complex and complicated though.
HAPPY CANADA DAY! I actually have a friend that I met over a wedding weekend of our mutual friends, and it slowly came out that he had named his son Nate after Cable! (That's one hell of a woman to let him do that. I even asked, "Does your wife know this?" And he said, "Of course!")
Can I just say; Ghost Rider? I have the entire Dan Ketch run from the '90s, every year or so Howard Mackie (famous for he Clone Saga) seemed to change his mind about this new GR's origin. Then Ivan Velez Jr stepped in and took it in another direction. Continuity be damned! So many abandoned story arcs!
Cable has been my favorite character since he appeared on the 90s xmen cartoon. I read his new mutants appearance but I never knew his origin was in question. I never really cared for the new young cable. Thanks for making this video!🤩
I think it’s in the second X-Men movie, there’s a brief shot of a government list of known mutants and Cable’s name appears. One of my friends speculated that we might get to see Cable in a future X-Men movie and I said probably not because Cable is the son of Scott Summers and a clone of Jean Gray sent into the future to be raised by his sister from an alternate timeline. That’s too much for the average movie goer to suspend disbelief. But it works for comics and I’m glad... and I was also wrong about Cable appearing in a movie!
I'm curious as to whether there was ever any plan to have him be Ahab (!), because it's certainly teased during "Days of Future Present". (Or were Ahab and Rictor just being jerks?) 🤔
Love your comments and humour so much. Seriously you make me laugh so much. Also love X Men. Best comic characters of all comic books ever. Keep it up girl you're amazing!!!
OMG seeing someone talk about a comic history before their birth or at least when they were V young whilst I remember the events unfolding makes me feel OLD. Bu this was an amazing video One thought maybe for a futre vid. In my opinion Cable started the whole "Comics are an investment" thing. Back in the 90's we all knew the first appearance of batman and superman would be worth a fortune. But New Mutants 87 was the first time a comic that was only a year old was worth SOMETHING (£30 or so in the UK) . I rember seeing this on a british kids tv show, you have to understand back then most kids had only HEARD of the x-men etc. American comics were the domain of dedicated comic shops and not every town had one, and there was no web to order them from) So an "obscure" character in an "obscure comic" made it worth 20 times the cover price. Que kids buying multiple copies of ever "first appearance" of all the new characters, or hologram covers, "shocking revelations" (alpha flight northstar coming out etc)> I fell for it, I had 5 "Spawn issues 1" and we all a virtual fortune, comic listings gave us HUGE priceses but if we all tried selling at the same time they were worthless. It was like a micro climate of share trades. I think Stan Lee said it was like a liscence to print money and that's why so many rubish heroes appeared and vanished in the early 90's, becuase "comic Speculators" bought multipleas and didn't care if the comic was any good. Long old m,an rant over. Just thinking it may be an intreasting video, I know I'd love to see your take on all of this (cause you're smart and do much better research than most folks out there)
As a casual writer and superhero TRPG fan I LOVE the tongue-in-cheek trope of "the son/ clone from the future who has come back in time to grandfather paradox himself" especially if I'm writing specifically about the 90s (which I do... quite a lot)! 😄
I liked Cable a lot more when he wasn't SO military man and was exploring his Summers connection. I don't necessarily think the Summers connection was necessary, but the Stryve as evil older version of himself that was also teased during Days of Future Present never interested me too much.
I remember when the speculation about Cable being Cyclops' son started ramping up in the early 1990s, and Uncanny X-Men #201 (baby Nathan's first appearance) became a hot collector's item. I was eventually able to get my hands on it: not worth much nowadays.
I actually do remember Stryfe, but only because he was in an X-Force comic I randomly bought as a kid. I didn't know who he was then, and I haven't thought about him in so long now that's it's almost like he only existed for a 2-3 year period in my elementary school years haha.
I stared re-reading comics when Rob Liefeld started Image Comics (RipClaw, Killrazor, Wildcats, Supreme, etc). I preferred those characters, less back story and more straight forward, but as I got back into Marvel and DC, Cable was one of the characters that stood out to me as different and interesting. The X-man / Cable story line and anything with Cyclops and Phoenix were always a hit with me.
I was always amused by the fact that out of nowhere this guy showed up and knew EVERYONE in the Marvel universe but somehow, we readers missed him. LOL. This smacked of conspiracy to my then young mind. Confound those editors!
At last, an edition of Casually Comics for which I have the hard copies. I was surprised not to hear his full name, Nathan Dayspring Summers. I read them out of sequence, so Cable was always Madelyn Pryor's and Scott's son from my perspective. I didn't think about it with New Mutants other than, it never comes up anyway. I was never so grateful as when that Stryfe mess stopped - he made those issues hard on the eyes. Geez, Liefield. In one of the Cable offshots, he was shown initially in the future, doing a resistance-style fighting team, and about four issues in he takes Graymalkin back to 'current time'. Those future ones were great - I was like 'no, no, stay in the future a little longer, Dayspring'. Unfortunately I can't remember details other than I really enjoyed that segment and that his bad-ass female partner had a really cool name.
I knew about Cable first from story from the 90's X-men cartoon in which he comes from the future to repair the changes Bishop made in the timeline. I remember they had like one vague line that hinted at his relationship with Scott and Jean. My brother and I literally knew nothing more about Cable, but after that story we were like "Oh my god, who's that. Why is he so cool?? omg??". Lol, the 90's.
Cable as grown Nathan is one of my favorite parts of his character. I was sooo hoping Deadpool II would subtly nod to the fact he is Scott's son. They didn't :( It could have been some throw-away line that non fans wouldn't have noticed.
I had Cable's first appearance. Weezy even signed it, which was a big deal for me, as Walt and Louise were part of the reason I didn't give up on being an artist. They're great people. Was really hard to let it go but I had to unfortunately. I should rebuy it and ask her to sign it again. Thanks for this vid! You inspired me to rebuy a comic.
I grew up reading those comics and at the time it made sense to have Cable be another displaced Summers ( Like Rachel and Nate Grey) . But after 20 years of repeated time hopping story lines ,not so much. That's why ( though not a fan) Kid Cable makes sense. There should also be some changes to Bishop and Prestige.
he's convouluted but he was a big part of my reading of xmen from back when I was into it......by the mid 2000s around decimation wasn't feeling that direction and my interest kind of dwindled and I dropped the series occasionally checking in to see what was happening......house of x actually has my interest again somewhat surprisingly at least so far.
I don't usually necro-post like this, but I learned about Cyclops's son being Cable from an ad for a comic book company in a Marvel comic. The listing for the issue of X-Factor (I'm guessing) where baby Nate was sent to the future had an elevated price and a note like, "Cyclops's son sent to the future and becomes Cable." Mind blown.
Hey I was wondering if you'd do any videos on the lastest comic implications of Cyclops, Jean Grey, and Wolverine being in a thruple and the implications that Scott and Logan fool around when Jean isn't around?
I gave up on the big 2 comic companies about this time so really for me cable is an unknown character I have heard about but never ever read. I do plan to look into starting the new mutants again as I loved that back in the day.
Heh. Sasha, you just made me think of something I never stopped to consider. Did I enjoy "Summers Boy Lost in Time"? In the end, yes, because it helped me get rid of the disturbing sensation Cable was nothing more than an X-Punisher. And by the time "Cyclops and Phoenix" (where Scott and Jean travel in time thanks to Rachel -¡OMG, you GOTTA do Rachel Summers!), I was sold. Not ultrafan, but as a Cyke and Jeannie fan, definitely a fan. So now, may I suggest you make a video about "The Confusing Story -Understatement? Oh, yes, of Rachel Summers. Who is she? WHEN is she?", if you please.
I don't read much of the dynamic between Cable and Scott, but when I do I just love how awkward it is. I also just want more stuff between Scott and Wade. I don't think there's ever been enough of that dynamic and Scott's reaction to Wade and Cable being friends/divorced. Also, more Cable and Deadpool. It's all I want in life. Is that too much to ask for Marvel?
Cable (and Bishop, while we're at it) never really did it for me. When the comics were coming out, I was always disappointed or annoyed to find them involved.
There was a joke list I saw around that time, "Things we'd like to see happen in the X-Men comics", of which the final entry was
"A new character is introduced who, after extensive testing and research, is shown to be no relation to Scott Summers whatsoever".
What would you do with a New X-Man character?
Now do Nate and Rachel. Because no one in Marvel can have a normal family
Yes
What if Cable and Rachel had a skid? Yeah, it'd be gross, but they did it in Game of Thrones, so wWaAhH....think about how powerful that kid would be?
The Summer's family is so screwy I'm half expecting Dr Who to be a long lost Summer's kid.
Cable’s mysterious origins did lead us to the X-Cutioner’s Song, one of the best X-Men crossover stories of the 90’s.
My favorite x-men story
That was the worst. That BS is why I dropped the X-titles
I have mixed feelings about that crossover. It's like, half of it is amazing, the other half is awful, and what could have been a great ending is undone in order to keep characters alive.
LOL, what? X-Cutioner's Song is famously, hilariously bad.
Ben Reilly, Madalyne Pryor, and Stryfe walk into a Kinko's.
"Need some copies?" Asks the guy behind the counter.
"No, we're good."
Yooo! Nice one.
Did the Avengers or FF ever have clone problems?
Good one.
@@arthurdotson9579 I don't remember clones, but I know there were 2 separate alternate Reed Richards, one from an alternate dimension and another from an alternate earth made by a cosmic being or something. And these stories were both contained in the same treasury I read as a kid.
I actually spat out some of the water I was drinking because I laughed so hard after I read that
Now my husband is wet and just a wee bit put out with me.
Lol
Yes X-men and the son of my favourite Marvel character. Also, Cable was *the* child of the 90s.
lol he's like the 90s incarnate.
@@CasuallyComics My favorite time traveling Summers child is Rachel, end of story, but Rachel is definitely a child of the 80s. Cable had grit but eventually I just called him X-Punisher.
Because his mother went insane and became a slutty demon queen?
@@CasuallyComics That is Liefeld in a nutshell.
Clearly you have never heard of Adam X the X-Treme
Remember when Cable was also supposed to be Ahab, another time traveler (whose own identity was changed a few times). Ah, good old, throw and see what sticks writing.
I remember. In an X-men annual Ahab asked Cable if he looked familiar.
The pouches contain more pouches
and these also contain pouches
@@telesian5143 Russian nesting pouches. Each one dyed with a characature from the Summers lineage.
thats why you never see his feet. he just has pouches there
The pouches contain baby kangaroos.
@@telesian5143 And they contain fists.
I like the Summers family dynamic, even though it's a fixed moment in time and problematic story wise. I mean there is another time traveling under appreciated Mutant not tied to the Summers family.... Bishop
Agreed. Very under appreciated.
@@bw4348 I think Bishop is better than Cable.
@@Estarfigam let see there 3 time traveler that I know of that part of the x men and two are summers family member. somehow bishop is left out. poo Rachel she not as popular as cable or bishop now
That's because Bishop was freaking LAME AF!!! The X-Men cartoon did nothing to boost his character!
I always found Bishop to be a bit flat.
That clone talk had me thinking of clone storylines in general. The "Am I real or a clone?" question always comes up, but I can't think of any story that didn't just make me ask "Why is being the clone such a bad thing?" in my smaller reading library. That said, most of my readings on clones are from the cyberpunk genre.
I think it goes to how people view themselves. If you're the "original" then you are the "real" one and the other is fake. It's a way of validating yourself. The same thing can show up in stories where people's minds are able to be duplicated. For me all versions with the same experiences and memories are equally real and the same person. If/until they start diverging of course.
@@adrianomoraes5992 Is it the meme picture? :P
Which is why Maximum Clonage was such a mess of a storyline for Spider-Man.
In that vein, at the end of 'Idoru' by Wm. Gibson, didn't the replicator machines or whatever make countless duplicates off her in this sorta ominous cliffhanger?
I feel like this kinda how Young Justice ends up. Only one clone of a few spirals and its more so because of guilt as he thought he was the original and felt guilty for stealing somebodys life without realizing it.
Also Clone Wars
"It wasn't part of the thought process when he was created." Because if Rob Liefeld ever had an original thought it died of boredom very quickly as a survival mechanism to keep his head from exploding
All of the editorial meddling with the X-books finally killed off the books that were originally born by editorial meddling. Namely New Mutants and X-Factor.
The problem with early nineties Marvel was all the high sales volume blinded them with dollar signs. The artists were selling books by the hundreds of thousands every month no matter what the story, so who needs writers?
Well, mutants needed Chris Claremont (with Ann Nocenti and Louise Simonson). Otherwise you just get musclebound dudes with lol guns and lol pouches hovering about with ill-defined anything else.
But hey, at least you have all those artists in-house and they won’t ever all leave at once to form their own company to grab all those dollar signs, right?
Honestly the situation is as bad now but for different reasons. Marvel a corporate cringe to a T. Its a struggle between shallow artists and pretentious writers/writers who misunderstand the mechanics of the genre. Of course in both eras there will be exceptions
From what I heard I would say editor are good when they say what the author can't do but horrible when they push for an agenda.When they say what you can't do because it is too dark or doesn't fit the character or story it create often a lot of creativity . On the other side editorial demands ends up always pushing characters in the ooc or you have an artefact which doesn't fit in your continuum. During the Bendis & Hickman time there was no control what they are doing and a lot of editorial forced events this is what killed Marvel comics for me.
@@227060 Can you be please less pretentious and not calling the worker of Marvel "shallow or pretentious" just because they follow political idea you disagree.
Exactly. As a person trying to learn how to write, when someone would say, "this bit doesn't work and here's why," I would generally see something I COULD do. But if they said, "You should do it MY way," my creative juices dried up immediately.
@@Fiercesoulking I agree but for the last 20-30 years editors have had a real problem saying no to writers because writers have become 'Big Name Creators' just as artists were in the 1990s. The reality is, especially for stuff like Marvel or DC, the character should come first and the creative team second. I'm not saying they aren't important but Bendis' Iron Man and Superman runs were promoted off the back of Bendis being the guy who was working on them, not what was actually set to happen in them. It wasn't 'come read Supes or Shellhead where this will be happening' it was 'come see bendis perform his cover of Supes and Shellhead live live live!!!!!' The writer was not only 'visible' within the story but pushed to the forefront as more important than the characters.
I want to see Jean and Scott be his parents naturally along with Rachel as his sister. The Sinister and Summers/Grey story has always been interesting
It's a shame that the writers coming up with Cable didn't just take the thought just one step further... I mean, keep the blood relationship with Cyclops, the metal arm, the bionic eye, the time-travel concept - keep everything else the same, but imagine if instead of being Cyclops' _son_ from the _future,_ Cable was instead his _grandfather_ from the _past...?_
Hear me out - instead of the pretty-obvious "grew up in a dystopian future" gimmick which was sorta hackneyed by that time (I mean, we'd only recently had Rachel Summers and Nimrod already coming from a similar future within the last few years, in the X-books alone), Cable could instead be Scott's grandfather who was sent _forward_ in time from the forties (maybe as a volunteer for some sort of weird Weapon Plus experiment in a botched attempt to use time-travel to stop World War II before it started, or just coincidentally sucked up in the wake of a time-warp caused by someone from the future coming back to try and kill Hitler or something). The first place he gets transported to is the future - specifically the same possible future the Nathan Summers we actually _got_ grew up in - where he loses an arm and an eye and gets all bionic and whatnot after being drawn into the rebellion as an experienced soldier with front-line experience in his old life, but he does all this as an _adult,_ having grown up in the same general environment as Steve Rogers in the early 1940's before suffering severe culture-shock (not to mention PTSD) by being thrown into the future and an even _more_ apocalyptic war than the one he left.
After that, just pick up the story as normal from there - futuristic time-travel tech sends him back the same as in our real-world timeline, and you still get Cable leading the New Mutants... but now he has a more layered backstory. Perhaps he was even chosen for the job not only because of his skills, but also because he might acclimate better to the 20th century given his past.
Who knows - maybe this version of Cable fought as a GI on the front lines in Europe with Sergeant Fury's Howling Commandos and Captain America before being displaced in time? Maybe he bumped into Charles Xavier once in the old days as a civilian, when he could still walk and had hair? Maybe he once met Wolverine with his squad, drinking in a bar on leave in recently-liberated France when he was still some cigar-chomping Canadian grunt who hid his healing factor and bone-claws named James Howlett? None of these people (except maybe Wolverine and his famous nose) would be likely to recognise him after all that cybernetic remodeling, so it's entirely feasible that he could've been retconned to be a minor character in the background of some of those old Nazi-punching Marvel stories from WWII who was never important enough to name or point out before because he was just some uniform in the corner of a panel somewhere - the comics equivalent of a Redshirt, if you will.
Plus, everyone looks at Cable and says "future guy" - the arm, the eye, the guns and all those pouches - and yep, they're right. Wouldn't it have been such an interesting twist if even that most _obvious_ of things about Cable had turned out not to be so simple...? Rather than being unrelatable because he comes from the _future,_ what if he's unrelatable because he comes from the _past_ instead...? Imagine Cap, Logan, the old white Nick Fury (since he fought in WWII and would still've been around before "Original Sin") and Cable all sitting in a bar, throwing back beers and exchanging war stories like a bunch of old jarheads on Veterans' Day... Cable would have a whole different set of war stories from his future combat as well, but there would still be this camaderie with those who fought together for the Allies in Europe against the Nazis. It would be a connection to the present via the past, rather than Cable being all alone and completely closed-off because nobody he could relate to had been born yet - he'd have memories of the war which hurt, but could still be shared with a select few... if still not his actual teammates.
All the New Mutants would see of him was this hard-nosed drill instructor who never smiled and was always so intense and gruff - maybe this could all be revealed when they tailed him to find where he mysteriously disappeared to every Veterans' Day evening (as a one-shot memorial story), and find him hanging out with the other Marvel veterans and _laughing_ and sharing old stories about fighting the Germans alongside these old warhorses, talking about their own drill instructors and sergeants and boot-camp and life on the front. Maybe as a nod to how respected Captain America was in those days, Cable would instinctively salute Cap whenever they met, and revert back to his "Sir! Yes, sir!" GI training out of old habits. It would just add a different twist and a bit more depth to Cable's backstory and personality if he came from the _past_ before he came from the future, and almost give him two whole back-stories for the price of one.
All this is probably too much to ask of nineties Marvel and their "tits 'n' guns 'n' muscles" aesthetic, I know, but wouldn't it have been cool...?
Yes. Yes it would have been.
Cable has one of the most convoluted histories of any character in comics, it was not until Rob Liefeld abandoned him to co-cound Image and other writers and artists got a hold of him that he became a halfway decent character, funny how that tends to happen to a lot of characters that Liefeld creates. Speaking of one of which, I enjoyed the Cable & Deadpool book; and while it was a world away from what Rob originally intended for the character, Joe Casey's run on the Cable series was also a lot of fun. Keep making videos on comics, Sasha; and happy Canada Day, beautiful girl!
Scarlet Witch, Rachel Summers, Shard, Donna Troy, and Power Girl have all appeared in this discussion. lol
Oh you doing X-MEN NOW!!!! OKAY!!! Here's my monies!! 💰 💰
Leifeld has SOOO many artistic sins to attone for. I mean, what was the cognitive dysfunction that led to Styfe's look? "Okay... let's make a bad guy with the Sydney Opera House as a helmet!! And so many more bands around his wrists and ankles! HUUUUUGE tracks of shoulder pads! Spiky pauldrons for EVERYONE! HAHAHAHA!!!"
I so loathed his style. Couldn't enjoy comics he drew.
The top 40 worst Rob Liefeld drawings
www.progressiveboink.com/2012/4/21/2960508/worst-rob-liefeld-drawings
- #39 on the list is the Stryfe reveal, not to mention that 'Stryfe' is spelled with a 'y' because that's kewl (sic) -
and 40 more
www.progressiveboink.com/2012/6/14/3084348/the-second-40-worst-rob-liefeld-drawings
At first it was just pouches. Pouches everywhere. I even think the huge pouches were full of more pouches. Then it was massive guns. I mean, you could expect a big guy to just get "noisy cricketed" a mile back by the kickback of a cannon like the ones Cable packed ALL THE TIME. But Stryfe? How the hell could he even move, telekinesis? We should have known when we saw the first "deer ankle" that it was going to be bad. Look at poor Cap and his massive, asthmatic barrel chest... Kidding aside, Liefeld was SO freaking popular and to date I still can't get WHY.
Also, Cable and Ahab, from Days of Future Present (that also featured baby Nathan Summers)
Ever since getting the Marvel Unlimited app, I’ve been going back to X-Men stories and I recently read “X-Cutioner’s Song,” which is a typical multi-book crossover event starring Cable and Stryfe.
While that’s cool, I actually REALLY liked Messiah War from the 2010-ish X-Force book. I believe some of your comic panels in this video are from that arc. Cable’s right in there, but it shows that Stryfe is still a formidable villain and definitely no pushover, especially with the amount of spikes he has on his costume.
Typing this out makes me sad I missed buying the Stryfe Marvel Legends action figure a few years back. But yes - as a ‘90s kid, and a longtime X-Men fan, I’ve always liked Cable.
Working out as much as he does must present problems keeping his arm the same size as the bionic one.
Wow I saw an interview where Leifield said that the idea of the baby growing up to be Cable in the future was totally his along with X-force. That was the main reason he left Marvel, not getting creative credits and control over "his" characters. I always thought Cable and X-force were his best ideas, I even wanted to see his storylines play out(in Xforce)
Yes, I am on board now. Really like your take on a man out of time - ranging from dramatic to mundane. It's so true! I like how you go into examples - "adventures slipping through time stream or the fact he is late for work because he stopped to get a coffee" I'm going to start using that on a daily basis. Don't worry Sasha, I will refer this exact video!
Haha, yeah, I remember Cable showing in weird comics as well as Wolverine and Gambit when he was hot. In the 90s they loved sprinkling popular characters into other stories for seemingly no reason other than to feature them on the cover to help sell more issues.
Did you ever get the period where Ghost Rider was SO hot, he even showed up to kill The Brood, in New Orleans, alongside Gambit that was ALSO too hot to handle? (Guest appearence by, you guessed it: Wolveroonie, whose second mutation is Ubicuity! He could be EVERYWHERE!) I dunno, but it all seems so... cheap now...
even in the 90s i had moments of saying, "uhhh, stryfe?"
I’m a 90s teen comic junkie. Nathan Christopher Dayspring Askani’son Summers is my boy!
Ah Cable the beginning of the 90s gritty pouch covered and giant guns characters. Cable is the ultimate 90s comic book character and thus a design Liefield has used over again in his other characters, lots of pouches and big guns
I didnt know that!! I cant imagine him NOT tied to the Summers family. The first time I was introduced to Cable was The X Men cartoon ( 90s version). Stryfe is sometimes still used in the fan fiction of Cablepool.
You missed ANOTHER abandoned plot.
Ahab wans't always Rory Campbell's future.
When he appeared for the first time, Wolfsbane "recognizes" him as Cable, or better saying "Cable's future".
I'm kinda intrigued that someone in that era thought that "Quinn" was a really badass, macho name. That edgy manly-man would have been a contemporary of a certain medicine woman/doctor of the same name...
Aging up a child character is even worse in soap operas. One case on Days of Our Lives the baby out aged a child born before him and became that character's stepfather.
The sad things is I think I know who you're talking about.
You forgot his best moniker: The wild man of Borneo!
Speaking of Cable... would you ever consider doing a vid about Scott Summers, that guy was one of my faves growing up and these last few years he's been through a lot rip
I love Cable because of his convoluted history and the amount of retcons😂
Good video, thanks. I kinda feel Cable is cool as his own character. Cyclops always struck me as the all American jock, he seemed like his kids would be someone like X-Man, or white picket fence type stuff. Cable struck me as a hardened John Conner type from the future, seemed like he would have been orphaned with no explanation to his parents or no relations to the present, he's his own man, living his own life, with a future agenda, he's here, only cause his future requires him to be, his cool characater that goes beyond Scot bein his dad. Thanks for the Video, i was diggin it.
When I read the X titles back in the 90s Cable seemed to make the storyline more complicated than it needed to be when they talked about his origin.
It made me give up on New Mutants/X Factor books
Hey, do a video on Ambush Bug! People forget that before Deadpool he was doing the crazy I-Know-we-are-comics-book-characters comedic routine.
I love your channel. No negativity just straight comic lore goodness. You’re great!
Cable was originally meant to be a mysterious cyborg who'd had previously untold adventures with characters from Wolverine to Deadpool. Early on, after his metal arm is melted by a member of Stryfe's team, Cable is shown in a jail cell finishing up assembling a new arm.
I knew I remembered scenes of him fixing his arm with tools, which contradicts the whole 'technoorganic viruse only kept at bay by his psychic powers'.
Cable was what I grew up on. Early to mid-nineties. I'm 37 now so....When Sabretooth was fugking SABRETOOTH!!! Tearing Wolvie a new azzhole....in laymans terms. LoL. Great work. Keep it up
Your knowledge of the comic book industry is amazing to me.your research into each topic is detailed and accurate.your narration,and explanation of each storyline and character is flawless.I am a huge comic book fan,as I am a huge fan of yours.
I love Louise Simonson. Especially her work on Power Pack. I try to flush the Cable thing out of mind and blame Rob Liefeld alone. Great job explaining this confusing character's origin
Clone stories in Marvel was really a thing in the '90s...it really made a mess in some storylines but this brought us interesting characters that we see today.
As with most things Marvel, I was introduced to Cable via the 90s cartoon. It is interesting to see the behind the scenes origins for the characters too.
I have a mountain of about 80 collected Marvel stories from a subscription service that I still need to read. Some of which include Cable stories. I really should get round to that.
I'd love to see you do videos on some of the forgotten 90's DC characters. Impulse, Damage, the Ray, anything 90's would be great.
I wonder if Sasha was weary to mention Liefeld since just whispering his name summons Mephisto.
The thing I liked sbout Cable being Scott's son was that they didnt bring him back as a teen or the same age as his dad. This was a grizzled war veteran with decades more experience than his father. He was not going to just fall in line with his dad. Nine times out of ten the aged up kid troupe is going to fall flat (just look at all Wolverines brats), but this is that rare one that worked.
Another amazing video!! Such great comic book content. I love the way you flow in the breakdown
Love the Heinlein reference.
Being 10 and getting into X-Men in the early 90s I found the behind the scenes on this interesting. While I was able to read the Stryfe stuff not too long after it was written but I only found out baby Nathan pre-dated Cable a few years back when I was reading through X-Factor Essential trades as part of my quest to read every pre-93 X-book.
I think Melody Pond/River Song did the whole older-than-my-parents-because-time-travel thing better. But then I was never really invested in the Summers clan.
I was waiting for this video. Cable was one of my favorite characters. X-man is my favorite version of him though. Hope you get around to discussing the Age of Apocalypse in general at some point. Lot's of great stories in that era. The Summer's connection is complex and complicated though.
I very much enjoyed Cable's showing in the X-Men Animated Series episode Time Fugitive where he fought Bishop.
HAPPY CANADA DAY! I actually have a friend that I met over a wedding weekend of our mutual friends, and it slowly came out that he had named his son Nate after Cable! (That's one hell of a woman to let him do that. I even asked, "Does your wife know this?" And he said, "Of course!")
Stryfe is my favorite x-men villain of all time. I still have no idea who he was or what he was trying to do.
Can I just say; Ghost Rider? I have the entire Dan Ketch run from the '90s, every year or so Howard Mackie (famous for he Clone Saga) seemed to change his mind about this new GR's origin. Then Ivan Velez Jr stepped in and took it in another direction. Continuity be damned! So many abandoned story arcs!
My first thought on Cable was that he had that cool metal arm. Later, I read a few comics and liked his interplay with Deadpool.
Wow! That is interesting. I did not know that Cable wasn't always Scott Summer's son. Cool to know!
Cable has been my favorite character since he appeared on the 90s xmen cartoon. I read his new mutants appearance but I never knew his origin was in question. I never really cared for the new young cable. Thanks for making this video!🤩
Quinn was an ultra 90s name, as long as you were a medicine woman.
I think it’s in the second X-Men movie, there’s a brief shot of a government list of known mutants and Cable’s name appears. One of my friends speculated that we might get to see Cable in a future X-Men movie and I said probably not because Cable is the son of Scott Summers and a clone of Jean Gray sent into the future to be raised by his sister from an alternate timeline. That’s too much for the average movie goer to suspend disbelief. But it works for comics and I’m glad... and I was also wrong about Cable appearing in a movie!
I'm curious as to whether there was ever any plan to have him be Ahab (!), because it's certainly teased during "Days of Future Present". (Or were Ahab and Rictor just being jerks?) 🤔
It was definitely planned or at least planned as a possibility even if they didn't make it concrete.
Love your comments and humour so much. Seriously you make me laugh so much. Also love X Men. Best comic characters of all comic books ever. Keep it up girl you're amazing!!!
OMG seeing someone talk about a comic history before their birth or at least when they were V young whilst I remember the events unfolding makes me feel OLD. Bu this was an amazing video
One thought maybe for a futre vid. In my opinion Cable started the whole "Comics are an investment" thing. Back in the 90's we all knew the first appearance of batman and superman would be worth a fortune. But New Mutants 87 was the first time a comic that was only a year old was worth SOMETHING (£30 or so in the UK) . I rember seeing this on a british kids tv show, you have to understand back then most kids had only HEARD of the x-men etc. American comics were the domain of dedicated comic shops and not every town had one, and there was no web to order them from)
So an "obscure" character in an "obscure comic" made it worth 20 times the cover price. Que kids buying multiple copies of ever "first appearance" of all the new characters, or hologram covers, "shocking revelations" (alpha flight northstar coming out etc)>
I fell for it, I had 5 "Spawn issues 1" and we all a virtual fortune, comic listings gave us HUGE priceses but if we all tried selling at the same time they were worthless. It was like a micro climate of share trades. I think Stan Lee said it was like a liscence to print money and that's why so many rubish heroes appeared and vanished in the early 90's, becuase "comic Speculators" bought multipleas and didn't care if the comic was any good.
Long old m,an rant over. Just thinking it may be an intreasting video, I know I'd love to see your take on all of this (cause you're smart and do much better research than most folks out there)
Cable Quinn Medicine Mutant
As a casual writer and superhero TRPG fan I LOVE the tongue-in-cheek trope of "the son/ clone from the future who has come back in time to grandfather paradox himself" especially if I'm writing specifically about the 90s (which I do... quite a lot)! 😄
Do a video on X-man(Nate Grey), who is the Cable from Earth 295, who didn't have the techno-organic virus!
Best Mutant ever!
I liked Cable a lot more when he wasn't SO military man and was exploring his Summers connection. I don't necessarily think the Summers connection was necessary, but the Stryve as evil older version of himself that was also teased during Days of Future Present never interested me too much.
Wow, that takes me back! I was so sad when New Mutants ended!
(Hey, could you PLEASE do an ep on Longshot? His history is so insane....)
What's your opinion about the current Young Cable? And could go in-depth about Danny the Street?
I remember when the speculation about Cable being Cyclops' son started ramping up in the early 1990s, and Uncanny X-Men #201 (baby Nathan's first appearance) became a hot collector's item. I was eventually able to get my hands on it: not worth much nowadays.
I actually do remember Stryfe, but only because he was in an X-Force comic I randomly bought as a kid. I didn't know who he was then, and I haven't thought about him in so long now that's it's almost like he only existed for a 2-3 year period in my elementary school years haha.
Hi... Any thoughts on his alternate version X-Man Nate Gray?
I stared re-reading comics when Rob Liefeld started Image Comics (RipClaw, Killrazor, Wildcats, Supreme, etc). I preferred those characters, less back story and more straight forward, but as I got back into Marvel and DC, Cable was one of the characters that stood out to me as different and interesting. The X-man / Cable story line and anything with Cyclops and Phoenix were always a hit with me.
I was always amused by the fact that out of nowhere this guy showed up and knew EVERYONE in the Marvel universe but somehow, we readers missed him. LOL. This smacked of conspiracy to my then young mind. Confound those editors!
I remember as a kid I had a toy or figure of cable it was my favorite toy.
That and my princess leia as boushh.
Great review Sasha. I really enjoy the Cable storyline. The struggle between him and Apocalypse is amazing.
At last, an edition of Casually Comics for which I have the hard copies. I was surprised not to hear his full name, Nathan Dayspring Summers. I read them out of sequence, so Cable was always Madelyn Pryor's and Scott's son from my perspective. I didn't think about it with New Mutants other than, it never comes up anyway. I was never so grateful as when that Stryfe mess stopped - he made those issues hard on the eyes. Geez, Liefield.
In one of the Cable offshots, he was shown initially in the future, doing a resistance-style fighting team, and about four issues in he takes Graymalkin back to 'current time'. Those future ones were great - I was like 'no, no, stay in the future a little longer, Dayspring'. Unfortunately I can't remember details other than I really enjoyed that segment and that his bad-ass female partner had a really cool name.
I knew about Cable first from story from the 90's X-men cartoon in which he comes from the future to repair the changes Bishop made in the timeline. I remember they had like one vague line that hinted at his relationship with Scott and Jean. My brother and I literally knew nothing more about Cable, but after that story we were like "Oh my god, who's that. Why is he so cool?? omg??". Lol, the 90's.
Cable's continuity was already difficult. The switch to Young Cable was an attempt to reconcile that.
Greetings. I'm enjoying your vids. Can you do one on Madelyne Pryor?
Sasha suffers from the techno-organic virus just like Cable, but it only effected her hair color. Otherwise she a cool chick ;)
The green wig must've been a Doc Samson effect then. I'd buy that.
Cable as grown Nathan is one of my favorite parts of his character. I was sooo hoping Deadpool II would subtly nod to the fact he is Scott's son. They didn't :( It could have been some throw-away line that non fans wouldn't have noticed.
gotta leave room for a sequel
I had Cable's first appearance. Weezy even signed it, which was a big deal for me, as Walt and Louise were part of the reason I didn't give up on being an artist. They're great people. Was really hard to let it go but I had to unfortunately. I should rebuy it and ask her to sign it again. Thanks for this vid! You inspired me to rebuy a comic.
5:08 All except in Spider-Man where The Lizard's son Billy Connors despite being introduced in 1963 has never aged up from the little boy he is.
Thanks for this. I loved Cable growing up.
I grew up reading those comics and at the time it made sense to have Cable be another displaced Summers ( Like Rachel and Nate Grey) . But after 20 years of repeated time hopping story lines ,not so much. That's why ( though not a fan) Kid Cable makes sense. There should also be some changes to Bishop and Prestige.
he's convouluted but he was a big part of my reading of xmen from back when I was into it......by the mid 2000s around decimation wasn't feeling that direction and my interest kind of dwindled and I dropped the series occasionally checking in to see what was happening......house of x actually has my interest again somewhat surprisingly at least so far.
"Make him like Wolverine" and suddenly I am reminded of Ultimate Cable...
Good show , love Cable, Cable from the animated show in the 90's got me into comics :)
I don't usually necro-post like this, but I learned about Cyclops's son being Cable from an ad for a comic book company in a Marvel comic. The listing for the issue of X-Factor (I'm guessing) where baby Nate was sent to the future had an elevated price and a note like, "Cyclops's son sent to the future and becomes Cable." Mind blown.
I have to admit, while i'm genuinely interested in SOME of the characters/issues Sasha covers, half the time i just watch because she's so cute.
I liked the idea that Stryfe was Nathan Summers and Cable was a clone
Hey I was wondering if you'd do any videos on the lastest comic implications of Cyclops, Jean Grey, and Wolverine being in a thruple and the implications that Scott and Logan fool around when Jean isn't around?
‘Techo-organic virus, causes you to be cool’ - pure genius
I gave up on the big 2 comic companies about this time so really for me cable is an unknown character I have heard about but never ever read. I do plan to look into starting the new mutants again as I loved that back in the day.
Heh. Sasha, you just made me think of something I never stopped to consider. Did I enjoy "Summers Boy Lost in Time"? In the end, yes, because it helped me get rid of the disturbing sensation Cable was nothing more than an X-Punisher. And by the time "Cyclops and Phoenix" (where Scott and Jean travel in time thanks to Rachel -¡OMG, you GOTTA do Rachel Summers!), I was sold. Not ultrafan, but as a Cyke and Jeannie fan, definitely a fan. So now, may I suggest you make a video about "The Confusing Story -Understatement? Oh, yes, of Rachel Summers. Who is she? WHEN is she?", if you please.
Happy Canada Day!
I don't read much of the dynamic between Cable and Scott, but when I do I just love how awkward it is. I also just want more stuff between Scott and Wade. I don't think there's ever been enough of that dynamic and Scott's reaction to Wade and Cable being friends/divorced.
Also, more Cable and Deadpool. It's all I want in life. Is that too much to ask for Marvel?
Cable (and Bishop, while we're at it) never really did it for me. When the comics were coming out, I was always disappointed or annoyed to find them involved.
He’s the second most 90s Summers, right behind Adam-X the X-treme
Little baby Nathan. With his little robo-arm