The BEST Mario Party Board -- Peak Design
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ต.ค. 2020
- Designing For is a series which looks at a level in gaming, and analyzes a theme central to that level's design. In this episode, we look at the best board from the Mario Party series, Bowser Land, which accomplishes everything that any good Mario Party board sets out to do.
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Shy Guy Express:
-Train Level
Is there truly anything else a level would need?
This is why I like Charge Man from Mega Man 5.
My only complaint about Bowser Land is that it doesn't have a train, maybe the parade kinda looks like one
Now THAT is peak design!
What I feel sets Bowser Land apart from other chaotic boards in the series, is that it somehow manages to be a jack of all trades, and a master of many.
Trapping an opponent in a bowser parade making them lose all their coins then they immediately land on the bowser bank to lose a star is one of the most cruel things you can do in a mario party.
Let’s hope it’s in Superstars, yeah?
It would be too good to be true!
@@squeallymaniac I dunno man, they always need a Bowser board. I think it has a shot ;)
@@ConquerorsHouse Its only real competition as the game's mandatory Bowser board is Bowser's Magma Mountain, so I think Bowser Land might actually be THE most likely board in Superstars. Fingers crossed
I hope we get Yoshi’s Tropical Island so we can have a 3D remake of the classic GAAAAAAAAAAMMMMEE! moment.
@@slimballs9650 I just want Waluigi Island so we can recreate ANARCHY!
You know, I've heard you guys talk about Mario Party board design so much, I don't think it's ever even occurred to me that most people might base their favourite Mario Party boards on superficial things like costumes and such.
Also, I had no idea the Bowser suit had that extra utility on this board, that's actually really cool!
"The greatest board in Mario Party is..."
*"From the makers of all other lays flavors-"*
I feel like this one’s gotta be in Superstars, right? With Bowser back in the antagonist‘s seat, they gotta want a Bowser board to bring back, and this is a far better choice than Magma Mountain
I was about to argue in favor of Pinball Machine, but then I remembered that they're only doing N64 Boards. Oh well. Maybe we'll get DLC.
I agree I would rather have Bowser Land than Bowser's Magma Mountain.
Imagine bringing back clockwork castle!
@@snowgrave2475 As dlc maybe but in the base game probably not cause its a gamecube board and not a N64 board.
@@nintendoboy3605
I love how Bowser Land has a reverse Koopa Bank where you get coins every time you pass it but if you land on it you gotta pay the amount of coins the teller gave out.
I can't believe it............. I was on TV!!!
I still feel very much like a Mario Party neophyte, so I don't have a terribly sophisticated take on what does and doesn't make Mario Party boards work. But you did a great job highlighting a lot of what made Bowser Land the most fun board we've done so far. Uniquely for any of the boards we've done 50-turn games on, it NEVER got old nor overstayed its welcome. I think the fact that we *couldn't* stick to the same strategy the whole time helped keep the board interesting. At the same time, it never felt like we were doing anything that strayed away from that central gimmick of the Bowser Parade. I think it's really tricky to keep a board both dynamic and cohesive, and - insofar as I've seen on our Sunday nights - Bowser Land's the only board to really pull that off.
Also, BCG Baby Bowser is the greatest villain of our time.
Also also, I would totally make a Train Level incorporating Plasma Cannons and Bigger Muffins.
This channel is very underappreciated
I miss old, ruthless mario party boards and gimmicks like this. I can have a little fun with the friendlier, newer games but it's just not the same. It's all watered down. Super excited for Superstars for that very reason. Big boards, good mini-games, more strategy. Seems like all the elements that made Mario Party, Mario Party are coming back. Great video man. I'm subbing :]
Small boards aren't necessarily bad boards. Look at DS: those boards are small but densily packed. Meaning at almost every turn something interesting happens. Super Mario Party has smal and shallow boards.
@@leonpaelinck King Bob-omb's Powderkeg Mine and Kamek's Cranky Casino would like to say hi.
@@leonpaelinckExactly. Look at Bowser's Pinball Machine. It's one of my favourite boards because you can gain a lot of Coins and Stars really quickly, but *those Happening Spaces* can take it all away from you in one fell swoop.
Now, they just need to create a new game with this style in mind.
Please let this be in Superstars.
"he's picking the one Mario Party 2 board that *doesn't* have costumes"
"It's a bold move Cotton, let's see how it pays off"
Between this channel & FWOB, the idea of people choosing favorite board based more on aesthetic than actual quality never crossed my mind. That does explain why every Super Mario Party player wants to play on the fucking fruit board every single time
it goes to show how important presentation is in game design
It's a big reason why Mario Party 2 has the best boards in the whole series and Mario Party 3 has some of the most lackluster outside of Waluigi's Island.
@@TarlukLegion Lies and Slander
@@TarlukLegion I actually like every MP3 board except the Blooper one. 2 does have some good boards, but I’m not a huge fan of Pirate Land, not to mention Mystery Land is arguably one of the worst boards of the series.
@@adamschultz3384 think about it, though. The boards that MP3 has on offer are: worse Space Land, blue board with an annoying gimmick, desert board, forest board, and worse Horror Land with a shitty board layout. Not exactly brimming with personality.
And the horrendous artstyle that Mario Party 3 switched to isn't doing those boards any favors.
The best board is rules land in Mario party 2. Speaking of which, that would be cool to play rules land in the game
same with MPDS. So sad they didn't include it as a bonus feuture/easter egg
Bowserland's background music is also intense, not just in terms of the epic-ess and dangerous sound, but also in the time signature. It is technically in 4/4 time, but the main melody and chord progression is very uneven, and if you tried to dance to it, it would feel weird. Counting it is a bit difficult, because some of the chord changes do not only NOT land on "1", but they don't even land on the beat, they land on a half-beat. It's meant to make you feel a bit unstable, which also represents how the board works. You may be safe on the end of your turn, only to have an opponent switch the parade route on their move. You may have to decide between taking a risk to go for the star, or play it safe and stay away. :)
My little brother always loved Bowser Land, and so have I. This video helps better explain why!
After watching this I hope this board comes back in superstars
Yeah it would also make most amount of sense as a "final" board.
That's not MP3 Spiny Desert tho tbh. The circular sand sand trap area and the whole cactus event always made it my favorite
I miss the actual Baby Bowsers. :(
Real talk, I was confused when Jr was introduced because we already had Baby Bowser/Koopa Kid. It felt needless to have a new character based off the same concept that served the same role that another one already filled.
I wish I had appreciated this board more when we were playing it. Since we did MP2 first, I was really just riding that fun wave without my analytical hat on. Now in retrospect after playing future installments, I see a lot more now I didn't before. This video does a great job at highlighting why it's so good, and at the end of the day you can see my big dumb face having fun the whole time so there's really no reason for me to complain. Good stuff as per usual.
Love you guys for playing Mario Party with me every Sunday
Bowser Land better be in Superstars-
Its funny. In highschool, me and a friend played Mario Part 2 every weekend until we finished every board, and I remember this one being the second worse (after the nightmare that is mystery land, of course). But looking at this, maybe I wasn't going for enough gigabrain moves.
Me and him should meet back up and do that run of Mario Party 2 again. But this time, keeping league stats like you two, Tarv, and Connor.
Also greeting bowser into orbit after harassing a koo pa about where he wants to pee, that made me laugh hard
Very well made video. I have some criticism of this board though. For me Bowser land was always a board I liked and wanted to love, but just can't. I believe the reason why is due to how overcomplicated it is. It is very hard to understand a board like this unless you really play it a lot. I hate just how little items you are given, and the first few times I played it I could not understand how the parade route works. It's like Ice Climbers in Smash, which can be effective once mastered, but is such a difficult character requiring massive time commitments that many put it in mid or sometimes even low tier. To me this damages the board too much. A board with tons of strategy and which I have always found easy to understand is koopa's Tycoon Town. Choosing how much to put into each hotel while maintaining a decent coin lead, trying to hit spaces such as lucky and happening spaces is fantastic, using movement items to hit each hotel, items which limit the coins of your opponents are all useful, but it is easier to understand. I also feel this one is better when done in tag battle due to how great negotiating with your ally can be.
Can definitely understand that! Thanks for the really well thought-out response. And I do agree - Bowser Land is a board that's difficult to understand on your first 20 turn game of it. Though admittedly, I find that symptomatic of board games with more complex mechanics as a whole rather than something inherently 'Bowser Land' - you usually have to have a person or two who's played the game before in order to figure out the 'house rules', so to speak.
However, I find that if you have someone who knows how the parade works, most players will understand pretty quick how to use it after the first time it goes past. And what I like about the parade is that it resets the player at the bottom right, meaning that they get to pass the bank for 5 more coins, and then can pass the item shop and/or Boo in order to make a comeback. It keeps the item game healthy whilst preventing someone from amassing coins and hitting up Boo in the same run - it's pretty brilliant in that way, honestly.
I totally get the affection for Tycoon Town - it's a super fun board with a great gimmick, and is miles better at executing it than Windmillville. My issue is that Tycoon Town, in my experience, is made weaker in a 20 turn game due to the Lucky Space. Whoever gets it first has a MASSIVE advantage that can only really be countered by getting a Slowgo Candy right before it. It can be frenetic in that sense, but often, whoever hits up that hotel either first or in the Last 5 Turns has the game wrapped up due to being such an easy investment. Still a really good board, I just usually find that a tad overcentralizing. Never tried it in doubles, though, might need to experiment.
Thank you again for the comment!
@@pyrrhickong Both of you make a fine argument, though I'll have to play these two games for myself and decide whether they are good or not.
this dude must be hyped for woody woods coming back for superstars and bowser land having a good chance because of the aesthetic and original features
“The greatest board in Mario Party is…”
*Frontier Business*
It's not just the final board of Mario Party 2 it was the final board of all three of the old Mario Party you pop the Mario Party 2 cartage just for the final board after a long Mario Party marathon with your friends it is the ultimate test of Mario Party skill and luck BOWSER LAND
I started playing Bowser Land for the first time today. (Coincidentally a couple days after seeing this video)
First turn, rolled a 1 onto the pipe at start.
Second turn, rolled onto the blooper wheel.
It is currently turn 15 and I haven't left the top left quadrant yet.
10/10 board
This was a fun video that appeared in my recommended. I got that Mario Party fever after Superstars was announced. Who knows, maybe they’ll choose this map for the game!
This video just became SUPER relevant XD Hope we see this board in Superstars!
I've only played DS and the Wii titles but out of those games Bowser's Warped Orbit is one of my favorites alongside Shyguy's Perplex Express because it's just a fast passed crime spree where the entire pace of the game changes on a whim as direction and positions can change at the drop of a hat
As cool as SGEP is; the slow candy is rarely worth it for a couple of reasons:
- You can only roll 1-5
- You can mess up the timing easily, it's harder than the slow shroom from 6-7
- Triple candy is cheaper and is usually more useful for getting stars.
- The game doesn't tell you exactly what happening space does what
I was a little miffed at first when you called Toad's Midway Maddness bad, but I see the point you were trying to make. Every time I go there my strategy is the same or barely deviates. 1). get out of the loop 2). go to boo 3). observe positioning and star spot 4-a). If I can mess someone up/get closer to a boo space by taking the rocket ride, then do so... 4-Bb). If not take the long way and visit item shops to make sure I get a gaddlight.
compare that to Goomba Greedy Gala, a place where I've been stuck in an entire quadrant the entire game because of poor luck, getting both my coins AND my stars swapped when I was working hard to just stay alive, Then the next time I play I somehow effortlessly stomp my friends into the ground and feel BAD about something that was not tied to any Modicrum of skill.
I personally think Toad's Midway Madness is even more out of your control than Goomba's Greedy Gala. You can't bribe the roller coaster or the teacups like you can with Goomba. And Greedy Gala has a bit of an excuse thanks to the casino theming. Neither board is amazing, but I tend to have a reasonably fun time on Goomba's Greedy Gala while Toad's Midway Madness is usually just misery. But I'm not really a fan of 4's boards in general--too large, too many annoying Mini Mushroom pipes to use, and every single board has a path that can be blocked off through no fault of your own.
@@DesigningFor toads burpday bash is da goat, gotta wurk on yur teacup tech bro
I used to love this board as a kid because of the parade, I just loved seeing people have their coins drained as they got captured by the parade, I didn’t really care I was trapped in the blooper jail, I was safe while they suffer >:3
Never knew that the Bowser Suit gives such good items from the Item Shop. Nor, did I know that the Bowser Banks take stars.
I always thought this was a fun board, but no one ever acknowledged it. Glad to find someone finally talking about it!
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ok, well ill just simplify the Rock-Paper-Scissors meta for all you unenlightened folk out here
the meta breaking top tier is rock, as it comes out the quickest
paper is also great as a counterpick to rock, making scissors the worst due to having a losing matchup to the strongest one
now, the question for the mario party version is which one is rock, and i see two viable arguments
one is that mario is rock, due to being in MARIO party, and having the most canon victories and games made after him. his powers of plot armor and being the fucking protagonist would make peach the paper and bowser our version of scissors because he is sharp and has spikes.
the other argument is that since we are in bowser land, and bowser is the most rock like, he would be rock. this would also make sense considering paper mario was released only like half a year after this game. peach is scissors because of the crown i guess. idk it kinda feels wrong to see a board dedicated to bowser making him the weakest in their rock paper scissors minigame
either argument works if you ask me
I didn't knew that stage could be so complex and full of strategy. I liked the old west board. It had a fun look XD
This is an underrated video
13:01 hey it's the space line up that ZoomZike used. Nice!
Man I stumbled across your Moisture creature video (excellent btw) and now I'm hooked with your content.
Looking forward to see your next videos, this one was also fantastic!!
Love this peak design idea
The board that truly tests and breaks your friendships. 10/10 board!
I've never even played a Mario Party in my life but this video is so interesting regardless.
This video is absolutely excellent
What a brilliant video. You good sir have earned my like, subscription and my browsing of your other videos. Thank you very much
Gay bowser jail
personally i choose which boards i like based on the music over the theming. good gameplay is an added bonus too
Dang I need to catch tarvoulds sunday streams
great analysis
Bowser Land! Bowser Parades are a must or I'm just sad when they aren't triggered into effect.
Very well produced, nice
Am disappoint that Bowser Land doesn't show up as a must have on people's list of returning boards, it's like bro do you even Mario party!?
This is the perfect board if you really want your friend back in 99 to break your 4:3 CRTV by throwing your brick of an N64 controller at it. Easily the most frustrating map to play on with friends if it's not Neon Heights in MP7.
WHO'S READY FOR THE ACTUAL MARIO PARTY 2 AND BOWSER LAND ON THE SWITCH BABYYYYYY
My God this channel is amazing
I agree!! The boards are my favourite part too! I wish that 6 had the options to toggle off the gimiks ((like the chain chomp gimik & the bowser/dk gimik)) cause it has some really nice
boards but i don't enjoy the gameplay 😭
I appreciate your passion for the boards, I miss that charm from the old boards. That's why I'm excited for Superstars. 😻
Me who’s only Mario Party experience includes 10, Island Tour, and Star Rush:
Fascinating
I wanna play this board but man does it take ages to unlock in the original.
This also happens to be the one board I have ever won against my friends because I barely play Mario Party at all.
I am offended by how poorly you think of Goomba's Booty Boardwalk on that tier list you showed
I remember young be dying inside being shot to the start only being like 3 or 4 spaces from a star.
How is this board not in Superstars, come on Nintendo
My favourite boards of every Mario Party game:
MP1: Yoshi's Tropical Island > Wario's Battle Canyon
MP2: (never had this game)
MP3: Spiny Desert > Waluigi's Island > Woody Woods
MP4: Boo's Haunted Bash > Bowser's Gnarly Party
MP5: (I honestly don't remember these very well, had to google) Future Dream > Bowser's Nightmare
MP6: (same, don't remember these too much) Snowflake Lake > Faire Square
MP7: Pagoda Peak > Neon Heights
MP8: King Boo's Haunted Hideaway > mostly every board, this game actually had lots of fun ones
MP9+10: (I had both of these games but didn't really had much fun with them)
Rules land is the obvious best board change my mind
I do like to think 3D World’s Bowser World is related to Bowser Land from Mario Party 2
Baby Bowser ≠ Koopa Kid ≠ Bowser Jr
This is one of my favorite boards in MP2 so I am hoping it returns in Mario Party: Superstars
I'm one of those players who DID go back to the start of Faire Squaire, I wanted to claim the jackpot.
I feel like this video does not emphasize enough just how damaging the blooper wheel in the top left of this board can be. Me and a friend were literally stuck up in that section for more than 5 turns, the only reason I was able to get out was cause I was able to convince someone else to turn the parade route so it would bring me back to start when I left the wheel. It’s seriously brutal if you don’t have a mushroom or anything on hand.
mario party 2 had the best boards in the whole series which is why it is the best game in the whole series
lol not even close, it had five average at best boards and only one good one (Horror Land), I would actually argue that it has one of the worst board lineups in the series which is my main issue with 2 and the reason it is my least favourite of the N64 trilogy. Not only that but the item system is primitive and outdated due to the fact that you can only carry one item as opposed to three in Mario Party 3 and onwards, a third of all the minigames in 2 are rehashed from 1 also which is just lazy, the board movement in 2 is also slow compared to both 1 and 3. There is nothing Mario Party 2 does that 3 didn't do better.
Damn now I want to play this board. It needs to be in Superstars.
I’ve been converted after playing the board
I wonder what you'd say about the custom boards being floated around? I have a few custom boards that I wonder If they are good competitive boards
I appreciate the Danny Phantom reference!
Happy new year's eve
Here before this channel hits 100k
I can't wait for the Party Crashers to play this board
any comments on designing your own board and how to incorporate the good things about bowser land into it?
Holy shit did this dude reference Mario party DS and the bowser pinball board? Aka one of the best and super underrated Mario parties
Koopas should be allowed to pee wherever they want, not harrassed by their boss about it.
4:00 I'll take it, as long as it's NOT A FREAKING SPONSOR INSIDE THE VIDEO
I just found this channel because of Moisture Creature and I already love it. Wish you got more attention. I haven't seen to many videos of this sort, but I'm always interested in humurously learning about the design intricacies of games I like. Sadly, this video's title is a lie, because it isn't about Waluigi Island, which means it's also not about Mario Party 3. That's a double no-no, boy. Use a Wacky Watch and try again!
Just now finding this video but is that a survivor buff I see??
Favorite out of context part, 15:49
9:44 which music is that? It sounds like the Mic mini-game music from Mario Party 7
I really hope Bowser Land and Waluigi Island are the other 2 n64 boards to Mario Party Suoerstar
After all that chaos... you still get to say.. So long... Gay Bowser.
He or she that wins in Bowser Land is Mario Party king or queen that it truly is the final board! The grand daddy the last board you play to prove who is the real superstar!
I was already hoping for this map in superstars but now I’ll be depressed if it isn’t.
Think if anyone wants a detail discussion on all thing mario party with a dynamic discussion on boards and the way they are handled in every mario party game produced, should check out KingK’s mario party retrospective chance time!
Huh, this is an interesting case for this board. When does anyone think that this game will be put in the Nintendo Online, or where can I find the consoles to buy the games?
So, what is the common fan consensus on Mario Party 1? And what do you think of Superstar? Because my whole family regards it as the best Mario Party game because it's the most recent one.
Good video
My top 2 picks for MP2 in Superstars
Bowser Land
Western Land
For MP3
Spiny Desert
Waluigi island
3:10 hey designing for, is their a place where you have discussed this? I loved this video and would love to hear some of your opinions on why you put some things where you did.
We haven't discussed it yet, but we plan to do a ranking of all of the boards once we finish playing through all of them over at the Tarvould's Quest Twitch channel. Our list would probably change a bit from this, though.
@@DesigningFor Ah. Looking at the channel, seems like you are 1 away from that.
If Mario Party becomes an Esport, it would be the best one.
I hope they put this in Superstars and revamp it to look like 3D World’s Koopa Land
I think bowser land in mp3 would be perfection. The closest we’ll likely get is the map in superstars and I think the changes they made so far are indicative that it would be a likely downgrade from the original
Though the item game is just a little too hard imo but I’m bad at timing….(though I do agree the others are too easy)
the train level do be a train level tho
This board better be in superstar!