The Gods of Destruction and Creation Connection
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- The Gods of Destructions and the Kais are linked together which means they need to exist with each other. How are Beerus and Supreme Kai linked? Who are the Gods of Creation? But how does this make sense and does it contradict the Buu arc? On this video, I explain it as best I can! SUBSCRIBE ON TH-cam: bit.ly/1OEc2LJ
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Linked the gods of creation with the gods of destruction to prevent the god of destruction from destroying the gods of creation and gaining too much power, idk just a thought
my thoughts exactly
he could just take them as prisioners, and thats it....
Alucardjr69 then zeno notices the imbalance etc...
Exactly, and the gods of creation can prevent a God of destruction from going too far.
that makes sense, although it makes gods of destruction sound like greedy power seeking mischiefs, when they're only doing their job and are as competent as gods of creation, or should be. i don't think any of them will destroy more than they have to, or zeno will get their asses on a silver plate.
if beerus dies when all the Kai's die, why didn't he kill buu to protect himself? Supreme Kai was literally 5 seconds away from death and Beerus was taking a nap! wtf?
plothole hammie
Who's to say he didnt? You do realize it takes time to travel from Beerus Planet to the Kaioshin world...For all we know, Whis was on his way, when the Fat Kaioshin got absorbed
beerus in that time was sleeping
have u ever heared of smth called sleep?
Besides, even if Beerus was asleep whilst the other four kais died, when Beerus awoke wouldn't he of at least wanted to know how they died or been extra pissed when he met Majin Buu on Earth at Bulma's party?
Good theories! But I'd wish Toriyama will stop forgetting Dragon Ball things.
I get what you mean, but can you really blame him? I mean it has been like 30 years since he started writting Dragonball and he has done a lot of ofther stuff since then and also gotten older. I don't blame him for not remembering every little detail, though there are certain things he shouldn't forget.
+Edelweiss But he is the writer though. It is literally job to remember these this to avoid inconsistencies and plot holes. He's just better at character design than storytelling I suppose. :/
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Well, tell me one writter who can remember every detail of every story he has ever written instantely. Of course he shouldn't forget everything, but he didn't really work on Dragonball from the end of the Manga until 2013 when BoG came out which was like 20 years. Do you remember everything you did 20 years ago? I bet no, if you even were alive then.
+Mad Mike makes a good point too. He was kinda forced to write the later parts off Dragonball as he originally wanted to end it after the Freezer Saga, but then went on with the Cell and finally the Buu saga because peope wanted more. And especially in the Buu saga there where times where he really had enough of it and just wanted to end it as soons as possible (that also why he didn't work on GT, he was just done for the moment). I can imagine that he doesn't remember the things he was "forced" to write that well because he doesn't nescecarely link it to good memories. And if we look at it, it's often things from the late DBZ sagas he seems to forget, so that may play a role.
It gets annoying when he starts to confuse things like SSJ2 and 3, that shouldn't happen, there I agree with you. But can you blame him for not remembering every detail after 30 years? The guy is like 60 now and has a real life as well as tons of other projects, have some mercy on him.
And maybe one last thing. If you ever read Toriyama interviews and he talks about Goku, take a good look on how he does it. There are several interviews where he talks about that from different states in his long career and he always descripes Goku nearly the same he did all the way back in the early 80es when he started writting Dragonball. I think that he remebers his main character so well even after like 30 years proves that he isn't all forgetfull, though I admit he sometimes is more than he should be.
But what is Dragon Ball without its loopholes?
+Edelweiss All you are doing is giving him excuses for his sloppy writing. He could research or review his previous work he just chooses not to. He's an organic writer I guess.
Don't get me wrong. Dragon ball has never been very consistent to begin with. It's meant to be more focused on being fun and making interesting fights and I love it just the way it is. But Toriyama isn't without flaws.He's still a huge mangaka.
I just loved when after whis said that, goku is like : "So i just need to kill the Supreme Kai to beat you Lord Beerus...." AHHAHAH
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yeah Beerus can't do shit now lmao
Crimson Blue , I can imagine this already
Goku : Hey Lord Beerus, wanna spar?
Beerus : I'm eating now
Goku : Ok, i go talk to Supreme Kai
Beerus : Wait! Wait! Lets spar a little
If you kill the Supreme Kai beerus just gets a Halo and then kills you. Remember they keep there bodies if they die. So who gives a shit if they die??? LMAO 😂
SPIDERKING777 Thats a whole new story
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+Scott Coxworth that means a lot to me bro and I do all kinds of interactions like I'm going to be doing a live stream very soon as well as weekly q and A's
Oh yeah were there like two Supreme Kai's from U6 at the tournament?
It looked like their version of the lead kai (fat kai) and maybe his attendant.
So, the question is: is Champa leaked to them?
Potentially yes he is linked to them
One of them was the attendant so Tori probably forgot how many there were. :(
currently, zamasu is not a kaioshin. he's an attendent training to be a kaioshin.
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My only question is if Buu is out killing Kais and he's already killed 4 out of the 5 including the most powerful of the 5 why wouldn't Beerus destroy Buu? How could Beerus and Whis not have known that Buu was killing Kais? They seem to sense plenty of other things that has taken place in Super. So I'm sure in DBZ they would have known the other Kais were destroyed. Just doesn't make sense to me.
Beerus was sleeping, as simple as that.
+Edelweiss was Whis sleeping too?
+Bronzed Adonis agreed
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I don't know, but Whis dosen't seems like the guy who cares to much. I mean he asked Goku if he wanted to be a god of destruction despite Beerus still being there. I think If Buu really would have killed all the Kais and therefore Beerus, Whis would just go on onto the next god of destruction as this basically is his job. It also seems like he is very familiar with Zeno and his attendand. So yeah, Zeno would probably wreck Buus shit and then recreate new Kaishins and a new god of destruction and Whis would continue being his attendand.
Yup. Beerus was sleeping and Whis gives no damn about such stuff, as usual.
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I hope they do clarify some of the retcons made to certain origins because I'm getting really annoyed with viewers who keep saying I'm wrong on a similar video I made. Especially with the Beerus sealing Elder Kai in the Z sword part. There's even complaints regarding my mention of Beerus being the 1 who issued the order for Freeza to destroy Planet Vegeta. I know it's sort of a confusing plot point due to mistranslations but I think DBS pretty much clarified things. And if I'm not mistaken in your interview with Chris Sabat he mentioned something along those lines when talking about the translations that were specifically made for the dub.
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Nice video man...
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Didn't supreme kai make that block of steel gohan tried to cut? isnt that creation magic?
5 to 1 sounds good to me destruction is easy blast away but creation probably takes time and space a group would be better at creating than one kai the z sword head cannon seems legit to me but i wont agree with it because it coulve been beerus being an ass idk but its a back pocket head cannon if i have to debate someone on it
You're right, perhaps Geekdom had forgotten or didn't think it was "grand" enough.
Creating small bits of matter is a bit less impressive than creating a planet. Even Piccolo is able to conjure clothes out of nothing.
creating cloths is different then creating a block that broke the z sword though
This connection between the Gods had me thinking. Whether jokingly or not, Whis once brought up the idea of making Goku a god of destruction. With the new connection between Gods, how would making someone of god of destruction even work. Would Goku suddenly be linked to the Kaioshin if he were to become a god of destruction. Would one side of the god specturm die if the other died of old age cause clearly Saiyans can die of old age. Also would dying even truly matter since beings like King Kai continue to function and do their duties even while dead. I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
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so if Zamasu & Gowasu die the God of destruction universe 10 dies too ??
Here's a good theory. Since Zamasu is still only an apprentice, if Gowasu dies will the God of destruction die since Zamasu isn't a full fleged Kai yet? or will the God of destruction stay alive if Zamasu wears his earrings? (I thought of this since the last episode inferred Zamasu killing Gowasu) This may also be the reason Akira chose Universe 10 instead of 6 for Zamasus origin place.
Zamasu is a Kai from universe 10. Gowasu is a Supreme Kai. If Zamasu kills Gowasu then sacrifice himself to body jump in Goku then the God of destruction 10 dies right ?
+Juan padilla I thought Zamasu was an apprentice supreme Kai, if he be came a one then yes he would have to kill himself but if he doesn't before then. Then Gowasu may be the only one that would need to die. +Geekdom101
+SuperCrazyFan123 yes an apprentice supreme Kai but not yet so it makes him a Kai from universe 10.
That's assuming that Gowasu is the only ranking Kaioshin of Universe 10 (Zamasu hasn't achieved the rank yet). If Universe 7 had five Kaioshin up until 5MYA then it's possible that Universe 10 has more than just Gowasu.
is fat buu considered to be also a kaio shin? If yes, then the future beerus should have not been dead, cause the fat buu was only in the shell and not dead.
Samsunk Androit you might be on to something. Didn't Fat buu absorb some of the Kaioshin in the buu saga?
exactly my point! he did absorb the fat friendly kaioshin.
You sir. Are a good thinker.
I actually was thinking the same thing so yeah I do totally agree. This is why I watch you, your content always impresses me.
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OMG if the Attendant are like the Kai's. so how the Gods of Creation (Kaioshin) balance the God of Destruction (Beerus). The Attendants (Whis, Great Priest and the others) balance ZENO
Nah, the Angels are nothing compared to Zeno
@@Yoda3000 Just as the Kaioshin are nothing compared to Beerus.
so what happened to the grand kai????
he supervises the 4 kaio's. He basically chills at his house and doesn't really do much.
Kaioshin
Geekdom101 they should make an episode where the Grand Kai is summoned by kaioshin. It would make sense for Dai Kaio to give reports to Kibito or something.
On that note...is Kibito a kaioshin in training like Zamasu? Do we even know what Kibito is?
Kibito is also a Kaioshin. There's only one Dai Kaioshin in each universe, but there can be multiple Kaioshin in the same universe. Something like that.
I thought the Grand Kai just supervises the afterlife and the Kai's. The Kaioshin are supposed to be the actual Gods while the Kai's are more like management; but they don't really talk to each other. Just like how Kami's don't really communicate with the Kai's. It's just that they all know what to do for some reason, which is basically nothing until they need Goku. Best not to think about it too much. :)
+noxure kibito is not a kaioshin bro
Was looking for a vid like this , thanks
Nice theories! I honestly never heard of the person you cited for the multiple Kaioshin vs 1 Hakaioshin theory, but I too put forth a similar theory and reasoning on Super Jayain's Episode 55 review. It's nice to see similar thoughts put forth by others. Great job!
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who the fuck cares about them. They just don't think that way and they say they are against it. For me it's not likes or dislike it's more like do you agree or not with him.
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it's been a hell of a long time since i've been this interested in ANYTHING dragonball related weather it be the movies,dragonball super, or the manga. since i picked up dragonbal super i wanna thank you geekdom for giving reviews, theoretical explanations, and analysis dude! i love watching DBS and coming to your videos nearly right after. you rock dude!
I think your theory is extremely convincing, Big D! I 100% agree with you !
The old kai theory i can debunk becouse he did die in Z
he didn't he just got a bad ass wooping
+Daniel Crecca old Kai gave his life essence to Goku in order for Goku to go to earth and use the potara earrings. That resulted in Old Kai dying and gaining a halo
Yeah but supreme Kai was still alive in my head I'm guessing you must kill all the kais to kill the destruction good
+Daniel Crecca or all the other gods of destruction died along with the supreme kais
+Wayne Ekeh But that theory would mean that there is another God of Destruction in Universe 7 since Elder Kai is alive so no
Why didn't the Kais tell Beerus to kill Buu? Please don't give me that he was asleep crap. That's a horrible explanation.
it the only one that make sense and whis just didn't care.
+Luan Dinh it doesn't make sense though...
But...he WAS asleep. He sleeps for years at a time. Plus, he didn't even exist as a concept back then.
Yes it does. If Beerus died, Whis would just recruit a new god of destruction
He already had the old Kaiyoshin sealed in the sword so he was ok I guess
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very interesting video about kai's and the god of destruction it does makes sense so good job on the video
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*I Don't know about the English sub but in English dub Episode 53 Gowasu made it clear that only one of us got to be paired with the Destroyer ,So elder kai is the one paired with beerus*
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Geekdom, it's without a doubt that you have the best head-cannon out there. I remember hearing you on a Kanzenshuu Podcast talking with others about what you thought should have happened in Revival of F and you blew minds with your story telling. The level of which your theories actually makes sense is astounding, considering Toriyama has a knack of being lazy/forgetful (with his stories).
I just want to thank you for developing us fans into knowledgeable Dragon Ball enthusiasts with your excellent thoughts about the series.
Cheers bro!
Good debates going on so many questions that need to be answered.
Thank you for clarifying this
Good speculation!! Sharing it
I think this is a perfect theory and it helped me a lot to understand this new concept
Nice work
Great video bro. Could you possibly do a in depth video on the in and outs of ki for instance how can they tell someone by there ki signature and the difference between God and regular. again great video
Yes this makes much more sense. Thank you geekdom for your theories we were all freaking out lol
if feels the same situation when the nameless namekian split itself into two people, kami becomes the guardian of earth and piccolo was there to conquer the world. Two people but sharing their essence as one soul.
It makes a lot of sense . Great video.
I swear I fuck with your intro it's so damn smooth
It looks good nice video
I genuinely hope Akira Toriyama takes his time to watch your videos and other DBZ youtuber's videos and keeps taking notes so that he doesn't keep forgeting
Your theory is great...:)
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I put this on your ask, but I know you don't get to all your questions often and sometimes I'll note videos with my questions in them months after I asked them, so I'm putting this here also to see what others think. What do you think of the possibility of Arale being the friend Goku brings to meet zeno? She seems to have a playful personality like him, and she was teased during the filler with Goku's onset ki delay problem. Only way I can imagine them writing off a character who would make a fun friend for Zeno without losing someone significant. She seems like the only one who would probably be nice enough to get along with him. Also with an irrelevant character like Arale befriending Zeno, there is less probability of interaction between Goku and Zeno allowing drama to remain in the series without the possibility of interference from these supreme entities.
Small problem with that last theory, if Whis assumed that Future Beerus died because the Kaioshin was killed, that must mean Beerus wasn't linked to the Z Sword.
im glad u brought the z zord in prospective about locking him into in for protection because I thought the exact same thing as soon as whis mentioned that kias and gods of destruction were linked
Its simple why the god's of destruction are stronger than the Supreme Kai's because they need to be able to destroy what ever comes up against them, like someone defending their planet from getting destroyed (like Goku for instance). Theres no apparent strength needed in creating life.
Keep up the good content bro
You share the same idea that i have oh yeah i'm new to your channel and i love being welcomed to new channels.
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Dude I´ve been waiting for this Video. Probably Toriyama forgot there were more. To me it just doesn´t seem like there is more than one Supreme Kai per Universe (anymore). Though you are making fair points^^, could be one way or the other, we will just have to see. But cool video as always :)
The theory works pretty well I think. One thing I've been wondering is that if Whis and the other handlers of the Gods of Destruction see the kais being destroyed wouldn't they try to protect the kais in order to keep balance in the universe and ensure that their charge isn't harmed?
You would be such a great teacher Geekdom
Also, what's interesting is how Whis on multiple occasions in Super has made it sound like Goku could become a God of destruction, which supports my earlier statement that the link between the Kaioshin and the God of Destruction is an ordainment, not a link from conception.
It makes sense, good video
Nice video
i really like your theory
Nice vid
Is there a particular Supreme Kai / Kaioshin thar Beerus is linked to? Because there used to be 5 of them before Buu. Does that mean there used to be 5 Gods of Destruction and Beerus is the only one left?
Nice topic man the question is when (and how)do the Gods of "Creation"actually create and are there more than one in each Universe ? also Got some more interesting Questions like the beings like "whiss" where do they stand in all this are they supervisors for Both maybe ?
What about the After Life ? There seem to be a different Hierarchy there are there similar Gods there as well and are they linked too ?
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Great video man.
the only thing that gets in the way for your thinking about the RôDaiKaiôshin scelled by Beerus to avoid his own destruction if the elder was killed is that the RôDaiKaiôshin did die in DBS giving his life for in order to resurrect Gokû.
So that's a fine theory but this tiny bit of event sadly prooves it doesn't work.
unless Toriyama also forgot about RôDaiKaiôshin's death but I'm sure Toyotaro would have reminded it to him ^^
RôDaiKaiôshin did die un DBZ* sorry
Your theory makes perfect sense. Assuming that the Supreme Kais of the various quadrants all were the same in terms of their Universal niche before their deaths to Majin Buu, the survival of even 1 Kaioshin would still technically preserve the balance between Creation and Destruction. "Shin" (along with Old Kai and Kibito) have more than likely just had to pick up the slack in the absence of the other deceased Kais.
I believe that recent episodes of Dragon Ball Super have been eluding to the potential presence of Makaioshins, it just hasn't been explicitly revealed to us, yet.
I've got a theory with Goku and Zeno. When Zeno gave that button to Goku, Goku nonchalontly put it in his pocket without any care. He then procceded to go to the future. What I think might happen is Goku will accidently press the button whilst fighting Black thus summoning Zeno and causing a whole load of trouble concerning the whole time travelling rules etc.
But why is the earring of guwasu green (meaning supreme kai) and zamasus are orange (apprentice)
While shin being supreme kai, his earing is still orange and what happened to the green ones?
According to guwasu his earings are the certification of being a supreme kai and they are the only ones allowed to use the time ring if im not mistaken. Im confused about the their earings, are the colors of them have any significance to their ranks?
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DUDE! I love this theory so much! I hope it comes to pass this way, because YES why wouldn't Beer us do this? To take it a step further while not changing your theory, I believe it was most likely Whis who told Beerus to do this being the trainer/protector of the God of destruction.
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I almost said, "but old Kai is dead currently", but he was sealed before kaioshin came about, and died after kaioshin was created, so beerus wouldn't die cause there's a new kaioshin. I love this lore.
I don't remember correctly but I think whis was jokingly saying goku should the new God of destruction. So does that mean if beerus were to resign(ik it won't happen) and there was a new God of destruction. Will the kais and beerus still be connected. Ik this is a stupid question but I just want an answer.
One thing to note. While you're right that we've never seen a God of Creation actually create something, we have seen that King Kai recreated his planet after Cell blew it up. It's not relevant to anything but I thought I'd mention it before people started to harp on it.
Agree with you brother!
Going back to what you were saying about elder kai, back during the buu arc he gave goku his life to go back to earth so how would you explain his other half of his set? Could it be Beerus?
I think that maybe in a previous age there were multiple Kais and kind of like the universe balancing itself out, a Kid Buu in each universe was born to kill 4 out of the 5 Kais. So this would be like a primordial beginning of the universe thing. Now that things have settled, there’s an order to each universe with 1 kai and hakaioshin
This talk about Kais reminded me of a question I had a while ago: If the world Zamasu is from (universe 10) is the world of the kais, then how likely is it that its mirror, universe 3, would be filled with makaioshin?
Unrelated to this video, but what do you think about Gowasu saying Goku's power rivals that of Beerus, while Goku was using SSJ2 in the second last Episode. Wouldn't that mean that SSB is way ahead of Beerus?
good video bro I agree with you about beerus putting him in that sword I was about to leave that idea in the comments but you beat me two it 😜
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*My Theory*
-Zamasu kills Gowasu and in turn this causes both Gowasu and the God of Destruction of Universe 10 to die. This is the only reason I can think of as to why they would reveal the connection in this episode. They are going to have to explain black goku and Zamasu's connection and this is the start.
-With both of them dead, Zamasu will now find a way to expel the evil inside of him and split it into a different being similar to what happened to Buu. His hatred for Goku is so strong that this will cause his evil to take the appearance of Goku. Black Goku is now formed. The one potara earring that Goku Black wears has to symbolize something. I'm guessing since Potaras can fuse people it may be able to separate people and this is how Goku Black forms out of Zamasu's evil/hate.
-Zamasu (pure hearted now) will be the Supreme Kai and Goku Black will be the God of Destruction.
I agree with you hundred percent he put them in the sword for self-preservation
I think of the god connection like with Piccolo and Kami. Best analogy I could think of
Anything Toriyama says in an interview isn't final until it appears on panel or in anime. He seems to change his mind a lot between interviews and work. I've read a lot of his interviews and one thing for sure is he is open to new ideas. Whether from himself or others around him who help him with the series.
My little head cannon to that is that it's not all the Kais, just one who has to train for the connection to occur in them. To me that explains why Zamasu is being trained and why universe six had so many. One to hold the link and several others to protect/take up the link incase one died.
Kinda like the matrix of leadership but a bit more doomy
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