Exploring Butch Cassidy's Early Life as a Mormon (Latter-day Saint)

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  • @scripturecentralofficial
    @scripturecentralofficial  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

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    • @allanlwade2963
      @allanlwade2963 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't think this video should be put on the channel Scripture Central. His life is the opposite of scripture. I'm interested because of the history and family relations. You did do a nice job on the video.

    • @richardgorton2498
      @richardgorton2498 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Donated few minutes ago.

  • @MichaelDavidsonEsq
    @MichaelDavidsonEsq หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    My great, great grandfather was a "known associate" of Butch Cassidy. We have some amazing family lore about it. My great grandfather spent time with him after he was supposedly dead.

  • @stevewhitener290
    @stevewhitener290 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Butch was a cousin to my wife, we recently rode the Durango/Silverton train and shared this information information with our hostess who was telling us in our caboose car that Butch and the gang had robbed said train! We are also members of the church living in Arizona.

  • @CliffWarren
    @CliffWarren 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    My ancestors owned a store in Price, Utah. With this being about 60 miles north of the Robber's Roost area, the outlaws would frequently come to the store to purchase goods. I like to say, "These criminals stole a lot from a lot of people, but they bought their stuff from my family." Anyway, I hope you do a "Part 2" of this video.

    • @zandersturgill
      @zandersturgill 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That's so awesome. I wrote and produced this video. Casey loves history so much he volunteered to be the host. Someday I want to do a video just about Robbers Roost. There's so much cool history around that area, and Price as well. I'd really like to do a video about the Castle Gate robbery as well. I'm not sure if it'll fit here on Scripture Central though haha. But it is a dream of mine.

    • @CliffWarren
      @CliffWarren 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@zandersturgill I’ve got some stories for you if you do make the video!

    • @traczebabe
      @traczebabe หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      My grandfather grew up on a reservation. When he retired, he moved out into the mountains. He lived much like the Native Americans & the pioneers did. He had a piece of land called Robbers Roost. So thank you for mentioning that, now I know where he got the name from. 😂

  • @dinocollins720
    @dinocollins720 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Another fantastic video! Thank you!

  • @zandersturgill
    @zandersturgill 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Porter Rockwell would be a great video to do next! Utah has such amazing history when you think of it from a Wild West perspective. It was a dangerous country. And the same reason Latter-day Saints fled to Utah was the same reason many outlaws did. It was a desolate place that was hard to get to. There's so many interesting stories here.
    I think it's neat how Americas most gentleman outlaw (who didn't murder anyone while in the Americas) was a Latter-day Saint. There's debate about his death. Some say he died in Bolivia, where he did his first killing in a gun battle with Bolivian soldiers. Others say that never happened, and that he lived. His sister, and others, claimed he returned to Utah and visited her. I tend to think he died in Bolivia because Butch was so addicted to stealing. All the robberies stopped after that event. I find it hard to believe he quit cold turkey. But I leave a good 30% chance of him living.
    But like the video said several times, it doesn't excuse his actions. Especially those of his gang. Kid Curry was the worst of them all. Tom McCarty was pretty bad as well. The McCarty family is also an interesting Utah story. They almost started a war between the Mormons and the Navajo Tribe! Matt Warner (The Mormon Kid) robbed with Butch, but turned his life around and even became a lawman.
    The whole story of how Utah was formed into it's current boudaries is interesting. Then there's the Utah War. Fun history!

  • @shandrews
    @shandrews 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I love this episode!! I have visited those places. My great grandmother and a few of her descendants lived in circleville and beaver. Several of my ancestors are buried in both places. Butch sounds like a lot of my people, including my husband who also has the “strict moral code” of “just don’t kill anybody.” 😂

  • @mycatwould
    @mycatwould 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    My great grandfather Charles Thomas Atwood rode with Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

  • @lornebascom3185
    @lornebascom3185 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    My 2nd great grandfather was a lawman that tried to reform him and several other slightly "wayward" LDS youths. The outlaws stayed and worked at his hotel in Mona where he was also the post master and sheriff.

    • @jaimeebeard618
      @jaimeebeard618 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lornebascom3185 There was a hotel in Mona?! 😍

    • @lornebascom3185
      @lornebascom3185 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ 😏According to family folklore 🤷‍♀️

  • @jeremyfrisbie239
    @jeremyfrisbie239 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Matt Warner, who was part of Butches gang and later became sheriff in Carbon County is buried in Price.

  • @grateful7839
    @grateful7839 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Good story. Love the Latter Day Saints.

    • @geoffreypalmer2661
      @geoffreypalmer2661 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i dont

    • @yeti1002
      @yeti1002 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@geoffreypalmer2661 😭😭😭

  • @kimwoodcox8705
    @kimwoodcox8705 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    My Great Great Grandma was an orphan and was raised by Butch Cassidy’s Grandma Gillies. My Great Grandpa tells stories of riding into Butch Cassidy’s camp. My Grandpa interviewed Butch’s Aunt Lulu, and she says he was buried in Washington. 18:06

  • @ronaldwinfield307
    @ronaldwinfield307 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I am also a member of The Restored Church of Jesus Christ. While studying history at USU I learned that Butch Cassidy was one of my co-religionist. This astonished & amused me. I did an oral book review in one of my classes about him. The review ended with a question & answer session. One classmate asked me if Butch Cassidy paid tithing off bank robbery profits. I even asked my Professor if Butch Cassidy was ever excommunicated.

  • @Mikebmc
    @Mikebmc หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    My mom grew up in Antimony which is a short 15-20 minutes drive from Circleville. She would talk about how Butch’s Sister Lula Parker Betenson, who wrote the book “Butch Cassidy, My Brother”, was her mom’s (my grandma) Avon Lady.

  • @brendenfullmer5573
    @brendenfullmer5573 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What a great video! Casey knows WAYY to many interesting stories. Love it!

  • @lonniemathews6488
    @lonniemathews6488 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I just read the book written by his sister, Lula Parker Betenson. It’s called Butch Cassidy, My Brother.
    Tells a totally different ending to Butch Cassidy’s life! Interesting

    • @zandersturgill
      @zandersturgill 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Greetings. I wrote and produced this video, and Casey loves history so much that he volunteered to host it. I really enjoyed Lula's book and got a lot of stuff out of it for this video. There's another book called, Butch Cassidy, my Uncle. Written by Bill Betenson, his great great nephew. He reviewed this video for us and helped us be a bit more accurate. His book also helped inform a lot of this video. I recommend it.

  • @bumpercoach
    @bumpercoach 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Even more interesting
    is he was kin to
    the first US MARSHAL
    of Deseret/Utah
    Joseph Leland
    Heywood
    ... my great great
    grandfather parallel
    to my other famous one
    John Taylor

  • @richardgorton2498
    @richardgorton2498 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you, Casey. We recently visited Circleville and Butch's Boyhood Home from Paragonah. I have always enjoyed your presentations as a student of yours (BYUi). Have a great Season through 2025.

  • @sunshineandhappiness6014
    @sunshineandhappiness6014 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This was such a fun little journey! Thank you! ❤

  • @markbaird2657
    @markbaird2657 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    He’s my great great uncle!

  • @ScottWood-b9v
    @ScottWood-b9v หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I have a distant grandfather named William
    Black. He managed a grist mill in Beaver in about 1860.He was a friend or acquintance to the Parker family. Mr Parker purchased his hand made stone house after he moved out of Beaver.Butch lived their as a little boy. Mr Parker then traded that place for the larger property in Circleville .The property in Circleville had been built by Mr Blacks brother in law, Mr Van Vleet. The 1860s was the time of Utahs' indian wars. Beaver Utah became a fortified city of safety. Mormons from all over southern Utah moved there.

  • @jeannettegiles5869
    @jeannettegiles5869 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What a great adventure. My husband is a Giles. Will have to see if there is ancestry connection. Always loved the stories of the West. No judgement on Butch, aka Robert Parker, that’s in his plate and not a reflection on the church either. Thanks for sharing❤

  • @kimwoodcox8705
    @kimwoodcox8705 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My Great Great Grandma was an orphan and was raised by Butch Cassidy’s Grandma Gillies. My Great Grandpa tells stories of riding into Butch Cassidy’s camp.

  • @drmichaelshea
    @drmichaelshea 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Yep, he was a Mormon, but not a very good one. But he knew Etta Place, and I wouldn’t have minded meeting her. 😊Seriously, I appreciate this history. No one ever talks about this. Thank you.

  • @nathangreer8219
    @nathangreer8219 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I am from Daggett County, UT. There are known Cassidy hideouts in Brown's Park, near the WY/UT/CO borders. Specifically, Crouse Canyon.

  • @KRinT04
    @KRinT04 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    So cool! I had never known! This makes me want to go rewatch Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. 😁

  • @ArtOfFlounderingPodcast
    @ArtOfFlounderingPodcast 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another outstanding episode - as a history geek, I totally dig this channel.

  • @novawarren5089
    @novawarren5089 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love hearing from you and your stories ❤️ 💕

  • @dushanepowell3782
    @dushanepowell3782 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great story, and love the editing.

  • @kraus_in_da_house
    @kraus_in_da_house 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My great great grandpa once rode with Butch Cassidy! We have some cool stories about our outlaw connections haha

  • @Icriedtoday
    @Icriedtoday 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    VERY interesting and the artwork is superb! I would pay money for some of those pictures.

  • @fawnjenkins7266
    @fawnjenkins7266 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I grew up on the Outlaw Trail which was rumored to be where Butch Cassidy and others traveld and hid out. 😊
    This was very interesting. Thanks for taking us on the journey into Butch's story and stomping grounds. I

  • @Summitclym
    @Summitclym หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very interesting. I know the Gillies family from Beaver and they pronounce Gillies, rhymes with Willis.

  • @sheisleeaddams
    @sheisleeaddams 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That was so interesting, thank you ❤

  • @kathleensmith5132
    @kathleensmith5132 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video 👏👏👏

  • @rachelbing4603
    @rachelbing4603 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What an interesting video about Butch. I was just hoping that the music was softer so I can hear you better.

  • @BillPowers-qy8bp
    @BillPowers-qy8bp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just started watching. What an interesting video. Thanks for this. I didn't know that Butch Cassidy was LDS.

  • @saralleverino
    @saralleverino หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My great-grandfather was one of his gang of cattle rustlers.

  • @clayfullmer
    @clayfullmer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I grew up in Circleville and took 2 of your classes, Casey. I even went to Beaver High School for a couple of years. Good on you for doing this. See my replies for more inside info:

    • @clayfullmer
      @clayfullmer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      That old cabin use to be really unstable and tilted. It looks like they set it upright and it looks somewhat original to 10 years ago. They definitely redid the outside and the interior is not original. Also Butch's sister said she saw him alive. He didn't die in the shootout in Bolivia. His sister lived to about 102 in Circleville. Nice lady. She saw with these 2 eyes, if you know what I'm saying Casey.

    • @clayfullmer
      @clayfullmer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You also didn't mention. The FLDS who own the Butch Cassidays restaurant and hotel, especially after your FLDS podcast;) They are wonderful people and some FLDS bought my childhood home there about 5 years ago. You definitely didn't show any staff in your b roll.

    • @zandersturgill
      @zandersturgill 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@clayfullmer
      That's some fun history! I wrote/produced this video and Casey just loves this stuff and offered to help. We got Lulas great-great grandson, Bill Betenson to review the video. He's probably the top Butch Cassidy researcher right now.
      I didn't feel comfortable recording any of the staff at the Cafe without their permission so that's why they're not in it. I didn't know the Cafe owners were FLDS? That's pretty neat. They gave me a business card to their Cafe, but apparently their website is not live anymore, so I couldn't send them the video. I told the cashier we were promoting them and she wanted me to send it to her.

  • @rmm4680
    @rmm4680 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    My wife's great-great uncle through her Parker line.

  • @mattfraser1096
    @mattfraser1096 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Like some here, I'm also related to this guy. My grandmother was a Parker. He didn't die in South America.. I do know that.

  • @davec1034
    @davec1034 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How interesting. Thanks.

  • @kcb5336
    @kcb5336 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for continuing to call us “Mormons”! There’s a lot of heritage tied to that nickname. Absolutely love the full name of the church as well as the nickname.

    • @chrislangdon5473
      @chrislangdon5473 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Prophet Nelson has asked us to kindly ask others to please refer to the Church using the proper name. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

    • @timmiestabrnak
      @timmiestabrnak 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @chrislangdon5473 your president Gordon condemned him for that and said “Mormon” is a great honour. Then Russel went and spent millions of your tithe dollars to shout to the world in “we are the Mormons” campaign.

    • @diane.graybeal
      @diane.graybeal 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The name of the church honors Jesus Christ and lets the world know He is the core center of our church. Besides, the people that called us “Mormon” hated us and tried to kill us all. That’s how we got to Utah. Such a lot of history.

  • @wsamuelmadsen
    @wsamuelmadsen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My mother was a Gillies, her family was from Beaver. BTW...it is pronounced
    "Gill' is"
    It was said that some of my great uncles rustled some cattle with their cousin, Butch.

  • @tinathompson9458
    @tinathompson9458 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Very interesting.

    • @vickiheath6133
      @vickiheath6133 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for sharing that story. It was very interesting.

  • @judymarkel8029
    @judymarkel8029 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Interesting. I did not know this

  • @TJackSurvival
    @TJackSurvival หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This video was great. I'd love to make content like this.

    • @scripturecentralofficial
      @scripturecentralofficial  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We are so glad you enjoyed it! We'd love to see what you make!

  • @DonaldWMeyers-dwm
    @DonaldWMeyers-dwm 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Porter Rockwell wasn't an outlaw.

    • @zandersturgill
      @zandersturgill 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Depends who you ask. When the federal government was invading Utah in the Utah War, Porter actively fought against the army. No one was killed. But he did things similar to that.

    • @DonaldWMeyers-dwm
      @DonaldWMeyers-dwm 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@zandersturgill There was a general amnesty issued after the Utah War, and one could argue that Porter and the Saints who fought in that war were acting in self-defense. And let's not forget that Porter was a deputy U.S. marshal.

  • @hairpuppet
    @hairpuppet หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A Mormon bishop stole property from Butch's dad to resolve a dispute with a dishonest neighbor when he was young. He was not a church going person since. He stole from rich bankers and monopolizing ranchers out of necessity, having grown up poor. He also loved racing horses. You can learn more from his sister's biography on him.

    • @geoffreypalmer2661
      @geoffreypalmer2661 หลายเดือนก่อน

      he would have robbed president nelson

  • @robynsalmond9275
    @robynsalmond9275 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My gra ndfather was Butches doctor in beaver and then in diamondvill Wyoming and kept the bullets he took out of butch. As a team I said to my grandfather why didn't you tell the sherif. My grandpa said diamondbille was a ruttin tooting cowboy town and mostly outlaws and they deserved a doctor too.

  • @elijahhodges4405
    @elijahhodges4405 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The book "Sometimes Cassidy" was written by a miner who knew Roy Parker. Roy was sent with a man who wasn't honest to winter his grandmother's sheep. The man ran off leaving the work to Roy Parker. Roy Parker had a career in the Navy under the name of a nephew.

  • @scottlivingston8310
    @scottlivingston8310 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You should look up my friend Ross Nickle in Fremont Utah. He is a historian and has some really good information on Butch.

  • @jadenthebear
    @jadenthebear 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Robert Parker's aunt Ada is my great-great-great-great grandmother. Sister of Robert's father, Maximillian. In other words, he's my 1st cousin 5 times removed

  • @RadioMan666
    @RadioMan666 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    👍👍

  • @ford32able
    @ford32able 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There is a house in Beaver that is documented as to where Butch was born.

    • @zandersturgill
      @zandersturgill 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I wrote and produced this video. Casey loves Utah history so he volunteered to be in the video. We did record at the Beaver home. I had an entire one minute segment in front of it. However, after I sent this to one of the top leading Butch Cassidy researchers (Bill Betenson, Butch Cassidy's great great nephew) he told me that he no longer believes Butch lived at the house. He may have visited family there, but likely didn't stay there. So I ended up cutting it out. It's a bit of a shame cause I wanted a neat locaiton to show in Beaver. But at the same time, I didn't really like the idea of filming someones house haha. A bit creepy. We lucked out and got into the Beaver Museum on the last day before it closed for the year. The kind ladies managing it that night let us stay later than normal hours too.

  • @BobSmith-lb9nc
    @BobSmith-lb9nc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    This proves that "Mormon" is a serviceable term for people like Butch Cassidy -- who can be accurately described as a "Jack Mormon." Using the term "Latter-day Saint" just doesn't apply to him.

    • @Lomochenko
      @Lomochenko 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Latter-Day Mormon would also apply.

    • @BobSmith-lb9nc
      @BobSmith-lb9nc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Lomochenko Nope. Just doesn't work.

  • @PsiPhy
    @PsiPhy หลายเดือนก่อน

    I forgot about Butch Cassidy! I thought Netflix.Murder.Amongst.mormons with Hoffman was the worst- Then I remembered the *Lafferty Brothers *TedBundy *Josh Powell *AlexCox *Stephen Powell *LoriVallow *Rachel David family *MeganHuntsman *JodiArias *Height family *kouriRichins *JenniferGledhill & so many others- just in the land of Zion Utah!

  • @Josephthe4th
    @Josephthe4th 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mike Cassidy was an alias. It's doubtful he was a cattle rustler. My source is a book called JT about John Tolliver McClammy. I have no reason to doubt the book.

  • @netherquartz8946
    @netherquartz8946 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    6:14 It's hard to watch a history video and trust it when you make a blatant mistake of merging the Willie and Martin Handcart companies.
    They were two different companies and its frustrating when people merge them into one. Not sure how much of the video I can trust when you get this simple fact wrong.

  • @juststuff5216
    @juststuff5216 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So were Ted Bundy and Gary Gilmore!

    • @zandersturgill
      @zandersturgill 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Big difference. Butch isn't known to have killed anyone. There's debate whether he killed someone in Bolivia. Bundy was a serial killer. Gary murdered as well. But I agree, a video about their connections and some myths about them and the Church would be interesting.

  • @heden1460
    @heden1460 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Except that, I don't think he was being very respectful to the people he robbed.

  • @marciajensen1824
    @marciajensen1824 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I thought EVERYONE already knew that Butch was LDS.

    • @victoriaberryhill5318
      @victoriaberryhill5318 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@marciajensen1824 i found out a few months ago because of a book called Butch Cassidy and other Morman outlaws.

  • @geoffreypalmer2661
    @geoffreypalmer2661 หลายเดือนก่อน

    no wonder he was a criminal

  • @bambie1830
    @bambie1830 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mormon is a people group. Doesn’t have to be tied with church membership. Like secular Mormons or ethnic

  • @Clunky_and_Wonky
    @Clunky_and_Wonky 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Oh, oh! Do Ted Bundy next!

    • @bumpercoach
      @bumpercoach 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not raised in the church... Does it say anything about heteros that he apparently was one?

    • @BobSmith-lb9nc
      @BobSmith-lb9nc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      In August 1975, Bundy was baptized into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, although he was not an active participant in services and ignored most church restrictions. He would later be excommunicated by the LDS Church following his 1976 kidnapping conviction.

    • @zandersturgill
      @zandersturgill 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Big difference. Butch isn't known to have killed anyone. There's debate whether he killed someone in Bolivia. Bundy was a serial killer. But a video about his connections and some myths about Bundy and the Church would be interesting.

    • @BobSmith-lb9nc
      @BobSmith-lb9nc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@zandersturgill That Butch began as a rustler and bank robber doesn't bode well, but I did love the movie.

    • @DonaldWMeyers-dwm
      @DonaldWMeyers-dwm 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BobSmith-lb9nc Can you cite your sources?

  • @timmiestabrnak
    @timmiestabrnak 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very on brand for an infamous criminal to have been raised looking up to criminals like Joseph smith& Brigham young& John Taylor.

    • @timmiestabrnak
      @timmiestabrnak 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      “He didn’t kill anyone And he generally robbed from big companies, not from average people” is just the polar opposite of his Mormon leaders

    • @timmiestabrnak
      @timmiestabrnak 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      “He didn’t kill anyone And he generally robbed from big companies, not from average people” is just the polar opposite of his Mormon leaders Who did rob average people.

    • @timmiestabrnak
      @timmiestabrnak 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And interesting how leaders still live up to the record of crime to this day.