Bowers & Wilkins Px7 S2e review: a worthy update?
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The Bowers & Wilkins Px7 S2e noise cancelling headphones are here, but are they better than the Px7 S2? What’s the difference? Is it all about sound? Will the Px7 S2 get a similar update? There’s more to this than meets the eye.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 - Intro
01:46 - Design
03:47 - Noise cancelling
05:21 - Sound
08:00 - Conclusion
Do you own a pair of Bowers & Wilkins headphones? If so, what did you pick, and why?
Not yet, but would you recommend buying a S2 for 250€ on sale or buying the S2e for 399€?
Yes I bought a pair of PX7 S2 a few months ago and I've been delighted with them. But after watching your review I feel a bit pissed off that B&W have now brought out a superior version for the same money. The possibility of a firmware upgrade sounds interesting. But would B&W let people buy the S2s at the reduced price then "give them" a S2e upgrade for free? I think I'll write to B&W to express my annoyance 😉
I bought the S2e and I felt somewhat it’s better than the competition.
@@nikhil9558Hello! How do they sound relative to the Px7 S2 and Px8?
@@andreykolkov2724 They are better than the Px7 S2 in terms of sound , and I don't know about the PX8's. But I heard from people who had PX7 S2E and PX8 saying that in terms of sound they were quite close .
Thanks i waited for this review since the announcement!
No problem!
I bought these today. Omg, what an amazing sound 🎧 Highly recommended from me 👍
hey mate...does it have SPATIAL AUDIO?
Hey Teddy .
Thinking of getting these .. how is the build quality ?
I hope the build quality is better on these than on the S2’s, Some horror stories out there about the headband padding and ear cushions peeling off due to poor adhesive, That aside Bowers and Wilkins sound quality for me cant be beaten and i love my PX8’s,
Great review
How do the s2e's compare to the px8s?
I dont know i’ve not tried them, My PX8’s are long gone now also as the headband leather came off and whilst in warranty, B&W refused to help so i got some Focal Bathys and they really do wipe the floor with anything B&W can muster up, If you look at other reviews on youtube they show how B&W headphones are just overpriced consumer headphones with good marketing, I fell for it, Dont you do the same
Build quality sucks.im changing 3rd pair of leather cashing.the band connecting to the headphones broke too. Sound i like though.
Got my px7 s2e’s in yesterday. Love em 😊 best headphones i used so far. Sony and even air pods no comparison in sheer sound quality
How about it’s active noise cancelling and call quality? Did you compare it xm4? I get it, the sound quality is better but how about the other attributes?
When u say airpods are u talking about airpods pro 2 or airpods max? Beacuse I don't think they sound as good as a pair of airpods max. They are truly amazing still after a few years. To bad they are to heavy for daily use.
Anyone saying sony headphones are top notch should be ashamed. Even beats are preferred then Sony. The xm5 are sonys best. But in that price range you should just get the airpod max. The xm3 and xm4 are trash btw. I've tried most mainstream headphones but I'm currently interested in the Shure aonic 50 gen 2, the px7 s2e and the hifiman xs. Hopefully by the end of next year I'll own all 3
noise cancelling is fine and call quality i didnt try. I compared them to xm5s… no contest. I am not a fan of sony sound. Only their noise cancelling is better
@@Justmakesomenoizboth. I own air pods pro 2 and did own air pods max for a few months. Sound is very subjective but i prefer these over air pods sound
Great review 👍
Thx from Munich... 😉
Thanks for the review 👍
I purchased a PX7 S2 in Aug 2023 and am disappointed that B&W decided to rehash a S2e version soon after. If it is purely a firmware update, it has to be accessible for all customers who own S2. Otherwise, the company is doing us a disservice.
Thanks for asking the question for us - great video!
I can second this, I currently have both in my hand right now and there's literally no difference between the the S2 and S2e in sound quality, anc and transparancy mode. The only thing I noticed was the S2e connected a little quicker to my device.
@@Y-J65you mean when I purchased px7 s2 now it will be the same?
@@rositatang0602 I couldn’t hear any differences between the two headphones.
Same here, I bought the S2 not long before the S2e came out.
As I understand it, the e has a different/ new chip so a firmware upgrade probably won't balance out the difference. Sound preference is very personal though,and we may not even like the 'new' sound.
@@Y-J65 Thanks for your input. Newer is not always better and I may not hear the difference either, or simply like the S2's sound better.
What brand / model is your headphones stand, which featured in this review? I have bought a pair of s2e and they are the moust joyful sounding headphones i have listened to. Light but hefty, luxurious but not over the top, stylish, and supremely comfortable.
thank you for the review , i have just decided what im going to buy , the s2e , was just searching for a damn good pair of headphone to upgrade from the sony xm3
I own Sony Xm3 from 4 over years now, and they works great, without a problem, earcups are still in decent condition and battery is as new
I bought PX7S2e from 3 months, are beautiful, good voice call quality, fantastic soubd(but almost the same of Sony, a little bit more dinamico ad detail, but a little bit harsh on treble)
Anyway, after 3 months, left ear is gone...it stopped to work.. I can't believe it.. I used them always in house, just one hour at the day, in bed. Treated with gloves, as new... Never bumped, never urted, nothing of nothing, used as I touch a precious diamond... And they broke without a reason.. I'm very angry.. I read some others users with similar problem with same model or with Px8 o previously S2... Fortunately Amazon will refund me.. I don't think I will bought them again.. I like it, but I have fear to going in the same issue again..
Ps: Sony comfort it's way better
@@francescomazzilli8925 well thats cool, my sonys are still in perfect condition so i sold them , i just wanted something more serious, i just like to upgrade for the sake of getting new things, besides thats, the fact the your s2e broke after 3 months for what ever reason that mey be whether you aware of it or not, does not mean every s2e headphones turnes out to be bad compared to sony , stuff can happen, maybe a to strong charger killed them , about the sound , i think we can agree that it is subjective, i constantly comparing the sound between sony and the s2e , but other then that i am personally preferring the s2e over the sony , for me the main bump in performance is the sound quality in relation to metal music and classical music, handling it much better then the sony
I liked B&w but in some aspect are not convincing.. Comfort Sony are way better, sound-yes S2e are a bit better, but more than better I say different.. Less body in low.. More spark on treble, a little bit more soundstage..
About the issue, you're right, but there are many users angry with B&w for the same issue or for the low lasting of earcup/headband (leather gone or broke after less then 1 year)
So, maybe I was unlucky, but you can understand why now I have fear to bought it another one
Great review! Been waiting for a good one for some time now. How do these compare to the Sennheiser Momentum 4? Mostly interested in which one sounds better but also comfort wise 😄
They're a much better pair of headphones than the Momentum 4.
Update: I originally had the Momentum 4's but after testing the PX7 S2e I had to return the M4's. Better build quality, sound, comfort ++ on the PX7 S2e, but the M4's were also great.
Had Both, px7 s2e are superior
U reminded well till d end 😅😂😂😂
Great video
Any chance to compare these to the Bose ultra QC?
Surprised that you didn't get the forest green. Great review!!
Didn’t have a choice 😉
A very nice review Mark, I use until now only wired headphones and I"m thinking to try B&W S2e, because of what you mention the sound quality . @MarkEllisReviews May I ask you what model of smart watch are you wearing ? it is looking quite nice
Hi Mark, are you able to fine tune the volume via iphone? Some headphones jump from step to step which means sometimes I am in between levels (too quiet or too loud) - thanks
Hey Mark, i am thinking of buying the S7 or 7e. But not sure wich one to get. From your Videos i understand that there is gonna come a software update for the S7 which will make them sound like the S7e. Did this already happen or do you have any new information about that?
Bowers&wilkins or the new Bose ultra over ear. Which would you suggest?
have tried the S2 and M5 and momentum 4 that are in are similar price bracket if you get look out of online deals. my findings pros and cons: S2 look fab build and finish and fit A1, but bass and volume is really lacking on these and clamp force on my head was too much after an hour, M5: very comfortable and ANC was miles better than other 2, but look too plastic and sound was too muddy nothing standing out, M4: Sound was the best easily with amazing bass and sound stage and clarity and 60 hours battery, cons rubbish touch controls but I think new firmware in august has fixed a few issues. Momentum 4s punch well above their price only focal bathys are better. cheap cynical moved by b&w though just selling same product with a firmware update!
I get ear pressure that makes me feel weird.. any of those 3 give you ear pressure?
@@Jiggy609 with Momentum i feel ear pressure even without sound. Sony are super comfy on the other hand. havent tried the S2
I own all three of them as well but didnt find the con of s2 lacking in bass, it isn`t on the level with momentum 4 but it is there and the volume I could partly agree with, but it isnt on a bothering level for me since I can still listen to a high volume.
Having more bass doesn´t make better sound quality, especially when other important elements such mid-range is low, which I experienced with momentum 4.
@@dexman6176 i traded my m4s in for the xm5 by sony due to low max volume. kind of upset now though, as the sound quality isnt as good at all in the xm5s. im looking for the best sound quality now . im debating the m4s again or the px7 s2es. right now theres a sale on the m4s 360 cad.
Is it a good secure fit on the dome?
Just went to test out px7 s2 & px8. Wow~~~~~ I can hear the diff! Px8 has more clarity and wider sound stage . It sound cleaner than px7 s2. However, the price for Px8 is a killer lol. I will be testing the px7 s2e tmrw after watching this video. Lol
Thank you for the review. I am looking to buy a pair of noise cancelling headphones and I was hoping to get a pair of PX7 S2e but recently I have heard that B&W PX7 S2 and PX8 have defect on headband quality, it seems like they are getting torn which concerned me. I wanted to know what is your opinion about the B&W headband quality? Has anyone here had a same issue? Or heard about it?
Today, I met a girl with Px7 S2 at the HiFi and HiEnd show Moscow. She has been using them for a long time and says that nothing has broken or deteriorated.
@@andreykolkov2724 Thank you for your comment. I am considering and I'd like to try it but but its really hard to find it in Canada.
How are they compared to the PX8?
Note though that the price for the S2's has been reduced dramatically, from over 400 to just 250.
5:35 - I sit there and do that with the various headphones I own / have owned. All the time. 😂
So, I´ve been looking at the Airpods Max, B&W PX7se and the Momentum 4. Cant decide which way to go. Which ones do you prefer in matter of Sound, transparency and fit? I am an Apple User and love the convience of the Airpods Pro. I listened to the PX7 yesterday at the local HiFi-shop, they sounded really good, but can the ANC and transperency keep up with the other two?
Hate to say this… after testing px7 s2 & Px8, airpod max anc & transparent mode is better.
When B&W announced this i honestly thought it was their attempt at an economy product. Which in my opinion would put me off buying from Bowers & Wilkin. Thankfully its an ungrade although on an older set. But it gives skme privilege for me owning a set of PX8.
Lol that's why I don't like the new Sennheiser Momentum 4 Accentum, I'm just not fond of big brands making economy products
My minor contribution to the debate
I was able to test the B&W PX7 S2, the Sennheiser Momentum 4 and the B&W PX7 S2e,
To start with the B&W PX7 S2, good build quality. Neutral reproduction, precise soundstage, but all a little congested.
Then the Momentum 4, deep bass, but it makes mush in the mids as soon as there are a lot of elements. Not a huge fan of touch controls but I must admit that it works well. Deplorable manufacturing quality however (all plastic). I even ordered it twice to really make sure it didn't work with me :-)
Then the B&W PX7 S2e: like the B&W PX7 S2 but with an opening of the soundstage. It's perfect, i kept it !
I could have had even better with the PX8 but it's out of the budget...
Which would best for jazz music ? ❤
definitely PX7 S2e@@spread888gospel
Is it still worth buying the PX8 over the PX7 S2e or better to wait for the PX8 update? Thx
Is it possible that make a video about px7s2e vs wh-1000xm5?
do the s2e have a good bass range?
I bought the px7 s2e and the xm5. The xm5 will be going back, sound quality wise the px7 s2e is the clear winner, anc wise Sony is good but it’s not a night and day difference between the two headphones
I bought the px7 s2; the sound quality is very good. But I occasionally had pain on my ears, while I don't have that with my xm5 Sony.
Yet another problem I had; I wanted to charge it a second time and the device is already broken. Don't want to charge after 3-4 days lol. Sent it back and asked for a refund.
Fantastic noise canceling with px7s2 ? Woaw. It was its biggest flaw ! In a trainstation hall, I could still hear half the sound produced around me, and clearly some precise frequencies. Never heard that on the Momentum 4 or Sony Wh-1000xm4. Hard to take the review in consideration after this strange statement.
Don´t know if I can take your comment into consideration if you think Momentum 4 has great noice canceling.
@@dexman6176 Compared to B&W, it has. But it is below Sony's.
Glad to see I’m not the only fan of zero g football!
How do they compare to the new Bose ultra?
the only thing Bose has over B&W is better Noise cancellation, but the B&W PX7 S2 and S2e blow them out of the water in terms of sound quality.
Hello, im gonna buy PX7 S2 today cause s2e its not selling in my country yet whats your suggest may i wait s2e or buy s2... im confused neee helpppp😂
I think it's worth ordering delivery to your country if possible.
I will try to delivery to Russia tomorrow. 1-2 weeks.
Tried these at an Aston Martin’s open day this last weekend. Sounded great from what I could tell.
Ooh, get you ;)
@@MarkEllisReviews ;-) friends and family thing! It was pretty posh tho!
Hello Mark, you say that you think the S2 will soon disappear from the market. Any ideas of timescale? They are currently at a great price.
No idea, I'm afraid! But if the S2s can be had for a good price, they're a great shout - still!
I bought the px7 s2; the sound quality is very good. But I occasionally i have a bit pain on my ears, while I don't have that with my xm5 Sony.
May I ask, what music app and phone did you use whilst testing them?
iPhone 15 Pro Max, Apple Music (same as all my tests).
@@MarkEllisReviewsIs there an equalizer there?
Bought a PX7 s2 from the Bowers site and just received it yesterday. It wont charge past 48% . After doing some research, it look like this is a common issue for B&W headphones. Disappointed because I like it's sound signature.
Did you see an improvement on ANC?
I am struggling with Bose qc ultra, wh1000xm5, B&W px7s2e, and Airpodsmax since I am an Apple user. Which is the best regardless of sound quality. I just wanna have a headphone with good ANC and transparency mode.
Same boat as you … honestly I want the AirPod maxes but I feel like we’re about to get the 2’s here soon so I’m holding off but idk
I am wating for the 2's this night. I hope there will be a better one today. @@Layer88
The b&w has better sound quality but for me the xm5 is better on/over my ears. I bought the px7 S2 and pain on my ears. Xm5 ears are bigger. Comfort is also important.
I’m undecided between the Px7 S2e Blue and the Sennheiser Momentum 4 Denim, waiting to see which one will come on sale for Black Friday or Boxing day. The B&W are $499.99 and the Sennheiser $529.99 Cad.
Which ones are better for sound?
@@WhatTheFragrance obviously B&W is better than sennheiser
Would be interested in a review between Px8 S2e vs Px8. How do they compare against one another?
What?
Here is what i did.
I tested the s2 , s2e and the Px8 side by side twice (on different days) for about one hour each.
After a another day of good consideration I decided to go with the
Px7 S2 (no E and no 8) for 179 euro.
Loving it.
Where u seeing them at 179 euro
expert in germany@@eaglehunter1802
I don’t know where are you located, but here in Germany you can find them in a shop called expert for that price
See I can totally understand that, as sound preference is very personal. There is no right or wrong in taste.
I chose the S2 over the XM5000 and the Momentum 4. Both have 'better' NC than the S2 in my opinion, but the sound of the latter was more important to me.
I bought the px7 s2; the sound quality is very good.
PX7 S2e or Bose qc ultra headphones?
I agree...Would be interested in a review between Px8 S2e vs Px8. How do they compare against one another?
😁
Px7 S2e, maybe?
I had both px7 s2 and px8 but hated the px8 and eventually returned both so I could buy px7 s2 again after a year or so. Would you say to just pick up px7 s2 if I loved this type of sound over px8?
(Px7 s2, yes in someways they sounded hollow, must be mids indeed as ihad to turn em up quite a bit for immersion, probably going to spike up my tinnitus symptoms again but I dnt mind right now since they're £199 currently)
Did you try the wired performance? Would be interested to know if they have a bump up in clarity.
They sound phenomenal when used via usb c
Is there any news on a software update?
how do these compare in sound to ath-m50x?
Is it buggy on PX7 S2e? What are the issues that you encountered on PX7 s2e?
I have PX7. Its buggy but I like the sound signature. Now I dont have sound on left side which is a common problem for this model PX7.
My AirPods Max stopped connecting after two years. I just ordered the PX7S2e headphones. I hope they last longer and provide better sound. They seem like they might be better
How are them so far?
How are these for watching movies ?
What has a larger sound stage px7s2e or px8? Thank you
Any chance u are going to review the Sennheiser accentum ? :)
If Sennheiser are reading this... yes please!
If Sennheiser are watching this - yes please!
I found my PX7 are pretty poor long term as far as build quality. The cups covers just keep getting undone and the on/off button is wonky. I expect better from this brand.
Had mine for a few years and they are still as good as new, and I use them everyday to work at home.
Have had the PX7 for 3,5 years and I am already on my 2nd pair after the cup covers came off. Hope the second pair lasts longer than the first
The wired headphones from them i bought fell apart in no time compared to the Bang & Olufsen ones i bought! The Apple Max headphones are crap with built in obsolescence after a year through a digital certificate.
What about the poor headband? Mine is completely gone and can’t be replaced. Poor for such an expensive headphones.
Yup! My original PX7 dropped on the floor from pocket height to the floor and that was it. The ear cup holder broke. Damn!
I hope they fixed the leather glue quality
You're right, I also noticed that flaw.
Looking forward to the Bose Quiet comfort ultra headphones… 🎧
Me choosing the replacement of my px7. Sadly px7 build quality sucks. The rubber bushings break all the time.the top is when first left then right slide entrance place broke. But I love the sound of those. So ill buy them again. Just once you go b and w you can't go back
I like the Px7 quite well, but not in combination with an iPhone, as I didn’t find a useful equalizer app in the App Store. The equalizer of the B&W app is simply not enough. For my taste, the Px7 only sound really good when you lower the frequencies between 125 -250 Hz. The bass sounds much cleaner. The poweramp equalizer app for Android works perfectly.
This is insane. If there is literally nothing different except the software then it is an absolute disservice to the PX7s2 customers.
they switched to vegan materials for the s2e so it is *a little* different lol
same saund
Which one is better? Px7 s2e or PX8? I usually listen acoustic songs, pop and sometimes i watch movies. How is the bass? Thank you.
I was thinking about buying the S2 but after the video I think the S2e are bes value for the money because cost the same and are better
Depends where u live, in my country s2e are almost double the price of s2 so imma cop s2
Sony wh-1000xm5 kullanıyorum bowers da kullanma şansım oldu Sony bambaşka daha iyi geldi bana
Just bought the px7 s2 at hifi-show……
How about us them at the gym?
So confused now, I want the px7 s2e but they are £379, the px7 s2 are now £250
Which ones do I buy?
The s2e are marginally better, I had both and returned the px7 s2e. They aren’t £130 better than the s2.
Pxs2 suck, going on my second pair, first pair lasted 5 months then started having connection issues and also now having the same issue with my second pair not even a month later. Have tried factory resets, up to date firmware, different phones and both failed me. Will probably go with sennheiser momentum. They sound great but do not last.
Bits and bobs 😭😭
The only upgrade is an update in the software why not just bring out the software version for them anyway 🤷♂️
i got my for 150euros brand new just no warrantee 😶
Whereeee pixel 8 buddy???
You do not even mention the earcup size....+ you make an advantage from the fact that they are almost the same..
If you wanna buy this headphones, make sure you are not samsung owner
🎃
The XM5 just look so cheap and are upon examination very cheaply built .
Sony abandoned the unrivaled fit of the XM3 XM4 Which is better than any headphones in my collection .
I feel like a peasant wearing the XM5s And Sony Felt It A Good Thing To Up The Price By $50.00 .
I Returned 2 Pairs Of XM5s Months Apart Trying To See The Value In Them And Other Than The ANC Their Is No Value I Could Find In The XM5s .
My SoundCore Q35 & Q45 Have Better Sound Quality And Look Much Nicer Especially The Q45 .
Look into comments what actual users say. Obviously pretty misleading review
Eh?
I just hate the font on their logo. Looks so basic on the headphones
I own the B&W Px7 S2. You're too indulgent about their ANC, which is not good enough. It's not at the level of the main competitors (Apple, Sony, Bose...).
When I want to be effectively isolated from the outside, I have to take my B&W off and to put my AirPods Max on.
“Indulgent”? 😂 It’s an opinion, mate! My word, you headphone people are something else.
Momentum 4 is better then
@@MarkEllisReviews I know that's your opinion. But we ALL have the right to say our own opinions, haven't we?
You must learn to tolerate debate and contradiction.
Have a good day, "mate"
@@Arnaud9100 fair, but you can't see it when it's on
So true...the sonys and apple are in a league of their own
Ookk, but if you compare the s2e with the px8, is there a big difference that justify the price?
Are we going to have a new version if the px8? (Px8s2)
Only get the px8 if you have hifi music streaming like Tidal, otherwise it feel like any sub 400 dollars headphones, I tried it in store and was underwhelmed not to its own fault but mine, because I only listen to TH-cam music
Px8 got a sound update in the last firmware update 3.0. Now has a wider Soundstage and more treble clarity, more clean sound, though still warmish.
@johnnelson9742 I listened a music from TH-cam in HiRes and really liked the sound in Px8.