I think people are under estimating where this is going. I don’t even think the Politicians have any idea of what they’re now doing. I can see something nasty on the horizon and I suspect even car ownership is even under threat
“All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rule exclusively by force.” George Orwell Net zero climate catastrophe nonsense, imposed by the elites who travel the world in private jets will tell us soon enough that we should stop going to holiday by air to save the planet.
They know exactly what they are doing, following orders from the WEF Davos mob, who fly around the world in private jets but tell us to cut our emissions in order to conform to the climate catastrophe nonsense. Next it will be stop flying abroad on holiday.
People will simply keep hold of their older cars, and the incentive to buy new is now become even more expensive. I think the government clearly don't fully understand the purpose of the humble motorcar. We all don't have collections of supercars. The average motorist need a car in order to make a living, so they're literally biting off the hand that feeds the economy... people need cars in order too get to work to pay tax....the magical taxation is not going to fuel the motor industry at all, new car sales will plummet as a result of this budget.
@@jayc342009 and this 'forcing' of EVs really effects sales, especially when its been noted in many articles from motor industry experts, stating that the EV market will only ever occupy 30% of the car market. I won't be one of those 30% and it's not because I hate the EV. Its simply because they just don't work for me. And I'd like choice.
@@jayc342009nor can we afford, unless you are a company driver! These clowns can threaten fines against car manufacturers all they want, if you me and every other other DECENT LAW ABIDING motorist don’t want or cannot afford an EV and these muppets continue to fine the makers then there will be NO CHOICE for said manufacturers but to drastically cut back or stop producing such vehicles (ala VW) by which time, governments will be made to look bigger fools than now (should that be possible) with no free cash going into their cashbox.
The Government did try to Encourage folk to move from the sticks to cities from 2010 in readiness for the emissions Ban! Cycling was Encouraged during Lockup in 2020! All makes perfect sense but to us it's inconvenient and that's just not an excuse to continue polluting the environment for future populations to choke on!!!
@@davekelly8168 They will always have plebs on the road, but it seems they will have millions of plebs in old petrol cars not taxed, uninsured, no mots, unfortunately roadworthy driving around instead..nobody to stop them,..police are too scared, or too busy ...
Always really interesting to hear people's opinions and perspectives; it's perhaps also worthwhile adding some context bc there are multiple layers to this discussion. For example, the 2030 d/line was obviously put in place by the previous Govt. - and done in a clumsy attempt to garner Green support; there clearly was no strategy, no manufacturer consultation, no in-depth analysis of use cases, let alone an infrastructure plan. It's pretty clear too that the precise application of that deadline will continue to flex; manufacturers have to be able to serve a global market and geographies such as the US, Australia, India, Africa etc. won't have anything close to a practical EV support infrastructure in any near future. (They of course also intro'd the £40k new car purchase price trigger.) EVs have a role but they most definitely aren't the full solution; we're very likely facing a mix of EV/hybridised/Biofuel/fuel cell power units - but, of course, manufacturers need governments to actively listen to engineering and scientific experts when it comes to modelling power unit usage to a country's economic needs and capabilities. (Nb. Harry's Garage has done some superb videos on this topic. They are worth checking out, if you've not seen them.) One of the greatest missteps by UK governments, (for decades), has been to use the motorist as a 24/7 ATM; fuel tax, VAT, vehicle tax etc., etc. Britain became a net importer of cars for the first time in 1977 - and that position has never changed. A once world-leading automotive manufacturing centre became a honey pot for exporters seeking a market whose growth was accelerated by the introduction of the Company Car and, thus, a perfect target for a Buy, Run, Renew philosophy. There's an argument that says PCP and its earlier equivalents had a similar impact on Private car sales. (Until interest rates exploded, that is; thanks directly to the malignant ego and incompetent mind of Lizz Truss et al.) Had our previous Govt. not left a legacy of ££££'s wasted on mates' ineffectual PPE companies c.£10billion (yes 'billion'), subsidising Tesla to the tune of £12.m per WEEK, fraudulent company support grants of £1bn+, Rishi Sunak's £4.3bn fraud, would this Govt. have made the moves it has? Who knows but you can be sure the motorist would have remained an easy 'victim'. What is there to learn from the mess? We didn't get here overnight. When Boris was Mayor of London, he set the benchmark for spurious, ineffectual, dishonest leadership: he signed-off £300m on the design of a new Routemaster bus that was taken out of service in under 5yrs; what was promised to be an 'eco-friendly, cleanest, greenest' bus became the watchword for 'inoperability and battery failure'. The new Routemaster was quickly transformed to run purely off diesel from an engine that emitted 74% more harmful particles than the buses it had replaced. Our future Prime Minister avoided industry expert advice and real-life evidence, all for a few more minutes in front of the camera. I've voted Tory since I was a student but the toxic ineptitude and wilful negligence of the past 14yrs+ brought us to this rock and a hard place. There is some not inconsiderable irony in folks wealthy enough to own car collections bleating about tax increases; of course, it's a chunk of money but privilege, (unless you're Boris J and his close buds), surely ought to come at a price? Perhaps there's room for a scheme that incentivises owners of classic vehicles, rewarding them for the investment they make in keeping older machines alive? Or might there be different levels of taxation according to the type of fuel a vehicle uses; if you're in a position to spend large on a luxury EV, might that not be taxed at the same level as the Range Rover SV next to you at the lights? After all, no one was forced into those vehicles and I've yet to speak to a successful business owner or corp. leader who's said they'll reverse their purchase decision. I have, however, heard from many who've said 'transportation' - just like food, industry and education - warrants a national strategic planning policy. Which would be in direct opposition our previous Govt.'s approach. Those of us who love cars, driving and vehicles of any description probably have the best chance we've had in almost 20yrs to contribute to getting the policy right; so let's not just complain, let's find ways to inspire our MPs behaviour and thinking.
@@Jacky5299 British manufacturers who can’t make cheap EV’s is what will kill their business the world is changing to new technology . Petrol will be a thing of the past just like steam.
Yes but how do you do it? Currently cars are taxed on emissions and EVs in the eyes of the government are zero emission vehicles? The only solution is to tax cars on weight and power. That’s a fairer way of doing it to avoid unfairly taxing cars regardless of whether it’s ICE or an EV.
It’s sod all to do with emissions it’s a tax how can a small engine car be such a high cost and why do we pay more if it’s over £40K it’s ridiculous and just another way to hammer workers for tax, new car tax is not based on emissions. If so why does it drop after the car gets to 5 years old !!
I'm not complaining. If people have the money to buy brand-new expensive gas-guzzlers, the extra VED will just be loose change to them, and they probably won't be paying for it out of their own pocket anyway.
Labour never won anything, The were installed in a corrupt system. They had 2.1 million less votes, Watch the next election when it start destroying them
Simple answer is no body pay road tax.. simple. If we all stand together they can't do nothing.. maybe they will learn we are run/build/make the country not the politicians/government.. they are civil servant's, they work for us not the other way round.
This was supposed to happen with gas and electric bills when they went through the roof. Remember the “just don’t pay” campaign that went quiet very quickly
Debt collection is no joke. It is likely automated to the point of automated addition of late fees, administrative fees up until court. Nobody wants to deal with this. A very naive stance to promote "simply don't pay".
You do know Alf Garnett was satire? You are also correct that they ”can’t do nothing” in the face of you and your Wolfy Smith mates, but I think your English comprehension is letting your argument down there. Got your poppy yet?
If you buy a Japanese imported car you only pay a standard rate road Tax as they don't have the CO2 ratings on the V5s, saves a lot of money on sports cars and all rust free..
I have just checked and my 2004 5.7l Hemi Powered Dodge RAM will be still at the pre 2001 rate which is a result. I have had it 15 years so quite happy to carry on using that until either it or me are banned.
The LABOUR party are no longer given us a choice you will drive a electric car or pay a high price this to me is very unfair vote reform from now to the next general election @reform for me
Arguably, collecting big-engine high-carbon cars and driving them very sparingly (under 2k miles per annum) is good for the environment. We should argue for road tax rebates for cars that do less than 2k miles pa.
The biggest down side of electric cars is the battery. Just like electric tools, when the battery needs to be replaced, it is cheaper to buy a new one. Battery life is not great right now, however some manufacturers are starting to think about the battery being a separate component, and they will be leased to you instead of you buying it. This could change things for the EV industry. The companies can recycle the batteries more efficiently and you won't be hit with a 20k bill for the battery when buying the car. I won't buy an EV now because I know that in 4 or 5 yrs the battery will require changing, and most people probably won't even have paid off the loan by then. My petrol car is over 10 yrs old and runs fine only oil changes and fuel. I don't have to worry about a 20k bill every 4 or 5 yrs replacing a battery pack.
What a load of BS! EV's have dropped in price no doubt partly like all cars especially high end like Lambo, Porsche and Ferrari to name a few, as for salvage depreciation thats just ignorance on battery life vs mileage. EV savings as little as £7 per full tank is a massive saving (if you can home charge) then the yearly service costs at approx avg. £450 per year or more. But yes get that Road Fund licence cost up to fill the government coffers.
@@schoolofhardknocks4501You’re just wrong and in denial. EVs are pure fraud whose intentions are to extract us from ICE vehicles. ICE is the target. EVs are the means. The perpetrators don’t want us travelling outside our 15 minute zones. Have you not heard of The Great Reset? Do you think they’re joking?
When they all go electric, and the government loose billions on fuel duties, how will they recover that loss? Probably on much higher taxes (import duty, expensive car tax, road tax, pay per mile, insurance, electricity and any other means that they dream up).
Our motor industry is all foreign owned. They can simply move production to China. But remember nationalism is racist and bigoted! You're getting what you voted for and you getting what you fought WW2 for - vassalage to jewish international finance.
@@stephenbusby3521 😂 we are the carbon they want rid of. Net zero uk, compared to China building a coal fired power station at the rate of one a week, peak production won’t happen until 2027, the uk sits of 1000’s of tons of coal, yet we pay other countries to retrieve it & then chuck it on MASSIVE diesel guzzling ships to ship over hear to burn. Great idea Einstein. Net zero 😂
People suggesting we all go back to older cars to reduce our road tax bill. But what about ULEZ charges? I had a 2010 diesel car x a 1992 petrol car and had to sell both for next to nothing because of ULEZ. I now have had a 2017 petrol car for 2years x it looks like I’ll now have to sell that at a huge financial loss because of these new road tax rules. So we can’t win with a government which keeps changing the rules.
Yeah they should vote for the net zero, mass migration, covid psyop party instead right? Or Tories-lite? We don't have an opposition in this country, you have one option; globalist managerialist Blairites.
Yeah bro just don't own a car, don't own anything! That will show them! Nothing will change until people literally just say no, stop paying their taxes and ignore their idiotic policies, full Poll Tax.
my civics are 1999 and 2000 and the tax is about 200/350 for the 1.4/1.8, i thought about buying an MG ZS 180 (same body shape) but the tax is 700. WTF? some old dude tried selling me a 1984 rolls royce last week. 350 tax this year, 0 next year cos it's 40 years old. let's make the best of it and keep those old girls running!
So if I’m looking at this current trend of Ved rates rising correctly? My Partners little 2023 Kia Stonic 998cc 3 cylinder turbo was £260 to tax at the dealer (they paid at new) We had to pay £180 the following time to tax it. So next year that little 1.0 turbo will now cost £270 per year! My old 08 Ford Mondeo 2.2 tdci TX is only £260 per year to tax. Things are getting out of control!
I might be wrong but I think I saw an article about how UK are importing almost 80% of the energy and have highest energy prices in the world. Going by that, the EV dream will not work if it already costs more to run an EV than ICE car(if not relying on home charging at night tariffs).
UK exports a high proportion of the electric energy from wind as firms french owned we get shafted because of price formula based on gas prices ,french get cheap energy subsidised by our high prices ,solor energy going to waste due to restricted transmission network ,more generated in south but not able to feed the network,crazy at our cost.
Hi, my thoughts are that the government can't afford the money to improve the infrastructure, roads, etc, (the millions quoted), so let's invest megar sums and let's make it so expensive to drive or own a vehicle, forcing people off the roads and bingo roads improve. Against all of this is industry and freedoms. What an unfamiliar world are we heading into and - have we had our time - are petrol heads about to become extinct? Kind regards.
Does look like I could be stuck in this Clubhouse for quite a while! It’s a very complex time but I love cars and just hope e Fuels really come through in 2025
This is the stupid and unachievable net Zero scam. Your old banger is much greener than newer cars over its long life, and better for the environment. On the bright side, the total cost of running your 850 for a year is an order of magnitude less than running a P1, even with the higher tax 😀
£10 tax for electric cars is just the start! Once people are used to paying tax on EVs it'll quickly ramp up. I can't understand this 2030 deadline. In Europe, where a lot of manufacturers are based, they are aiming for 2035. Car companies aren't going to speed up the development of these cars by 5 years, just for the UK.
“We align ourselves with the Democrat party of the USA” Sir Kier Stalin. The Democrat party of: Open borders ✅ Higher taxes ✅ Massive inflation ✅ Record food prices ✅ Record crime rates ✅ Record rent rises ✅ Record money spent on illegal immigrants ✅ Law fare against political opponents ✅ What could possibly go wrong?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hi, just to let you know, much as I do not agree with some of the Democratic policy, to be factually correct they do NOT support open borders, the record food prices was due to global inflationary events (which the USA has had probably the strongest economic reset back to sensible inflation of the G7) and crime is also down. Unfortunately, the illegal immigration problem needs a LOT of money thrown at it (as is seen around the world) and I am not sure there is actually a viable alternative. Interesting on the subject of immigration here in the UK, that UK born women have a worse birth rate than Japan at it’s worse and if it wasn’t for the immigrant (expat?!) community, we would rally be in a lot of trouble in about 20 years - see China!
This is what happens when governments decide to force something rather than let it develop naturally. Its taken a hundred years or so to get where we are now. They cannot push this agenda without the infrastructure. Its either incompetence or deliberate. I had a full electric car for three years and I have now gone back to petrol again. People say its range anxiety, it's not, its availability to charge anxiety.
The car tax situation is one more reason why as a Brit, I will almost certainly still live abroad, so reducing the overall tax take by a little. There are at minimum, hundreds of thousands like me.
If people are priced out of their cars then there will be no one to run all the essential services as they won’t be able to go to work. We don’t all have transport systems like London.
The budget is crap but it could have been so much worse. Was really thinking they'd do a pay per mile, extra on fuel and possible capital gains on cars etc.
The aim seems to be to force us all into EVs if we hope to keep up with the modern world. But if people think that EVs are the answer, they haven't undrstood the question. And don't think that EVs (or hybrids - same thing in my book) will remain 'affordable'. Low prices are just a bribe to get us onto the hook. As those chappies selling strange and addictive powders in little bags on street corners are quick to say, "Relax, pal - the first hit's always free." What to do? Well, if modern personal motorised transport is insanely expensive - and it is, and it's about to get even more so - why pay more than you can afford to keep up with the pace of a life that owning such transport dictates? What's the point of keeping up? Where's the sense in cramming sooooo much into every hour of every day if it just brings frustration, anxiety and misery? Perhaps it's time to fight back by slowing things down to a comfortable walking pace. I've been too skint to have a car for over a decade (sold it in 2012) and have just ridden a bike since then. What would the country do if we dragged transportation back to the (affordable) days when everything moved slowly? To a time when the fastest thing on the road was a horse and cart; the canals carried barges, towed by horses. Life was slow, slow, slow. But cheap, cheap, cheap. Imagine the entire nation reduced to little more than walking pace. Getting in to work in the morning takes you 10 minutes by car or bus... So tell the boss you can't afford that any more. You'll have to walk in. It'll take a couple of hours. But first you have to get the kids to school. Sorry, boss. That's another hour. Oh, and your gran always need some help first thing, getting a fire lit, heating some water, cooking breakfast and making a nice cup of tea... That'll be another hour. Public transport is far too expensive for a mere pleb; 95% of the working population will be too poor for a horse or cart, so most of Britain will be back in the 1700s, walking. Instead of being at Asda in time to stack shelves or push trolleys or scan goods or welcome your first customer at 07.00, you'll amble in just before midday, tired and fed up. The guys in the warehouse have nowt to do because lorries are too expensive these days (road tax trebled, insurance doubled, diesel at £17.15 a gallon) and the canal barge from the depot in Birmingham doesn't arrive for another five hours. The country grinds to a halt. Slowly. Yes, I know it's a bl**dy ludicrous scenario, but what would the government DO if there was a national 'go-slow'? Of course there would still be plenty of wealthy eco-warriors swanning about in their EVs; the Teslamic faithful would be in their offices bright and early, having charged their cars overnight from the 'free electricity' generated by their gigantic £45,000 home solar/battery storage 'solutions'... But they wouldn't get much done if half the office staff was still making its way to work, would they. Not that I'm advocating any kind of mass civil protest against the government's net-zero vision, no, no, no. But it does no harm to conduct a thought experiment or two. I mean, nobody wants to bring an entire country to its knees just to make a point, do they.
They can tax me off the road. I'd love nothing more than being able to get rid of the cash eating burden that is my van. Paid £360 today for a service and MoT. £600 a year insurance. £330 a year tax. £80 a month in fuel getting to work. A bus pass is £65 a month. If we had proper public transport, and I could get the bus to work, I'd have sold my van by now
Investments or ornaments? They were made to be driven! Rubber perishes and gaskets dry out! When these cars are driven, they are going to dump all their fluids!
Thanks for the video.. nice collection there!! Just a couple of points.. You said your GT3 was 2018 so is £735.. surely it should be £190 RFL if it's post April 1st '17? Also, the additional £410 is only for the first five years of ownership? Or has she changed that as well? Finally, I believe from April 1st '25 All electric cars will have to pay £190, and it's backdated to any EV post 2018? They will only pay £30 when new new? As a side note, Good old Mr Khan has added the congestion charge to all EV's from 25/12/25, yes, Christmas day FFS!!
Thanks Nigel, I will check the gt3 as that could be good news, yes its £190 for secondhand Evs my source of data was showing £410 luxury tax to be added which is no correct.
@@Challengetheroad Great!!! i saw the 65 plate on the GT3 and wondered if it was a private plate or you said it wrong. Glad it went in your favour. Wow.. it is confusing innit!! I can't make out if from 1/4/25 EV's are free, pay the £410 or not?? None of the sites seem to agree. All I know is my Mustang GT and GR Yaris will still be £190.. phew!!
I think the pre 2006 points others have made are correct. I had a 2009 R32 and a 2005 one was half the price. VED is a mess. My BMW i3 qualified for the luxury car tax and as it has the Range Extender it has cost me nigh on £600 a year to tax and it’s been the most heavily depreciating car I have ever owned. I thought I was doing the right thing by having that for all the short journeys but I feel pretty bitter at what that decision has cost me! I hope they switch to a cost per mile basis for VED because as a car enthusiast with several cars, it would be far better to be charged on the basis of road usage and emissions, rather than these arbitrary rates that simply reflect different eras of budgetary nonsense from various political regimes bound together only by their total ineptitude on the topic on which they were regulating. The general calibre of the people in government making these decisions continues to deteriorate, whether it be on transport, agriculture, welfare or just about anything else.
@ I try to be a responsible citizen. Don’t get me wrong, the i3 is a great car and remains a sensible choice for the shops, urban commute, kids to sports etc. I saw it as offsetting the fact I had a Landrover and a 911, both of which have cost me less in VED, incidentally!
@ not in our case. It’s after 6 years because it was registered in Dec 18 and is only just about to come out of the really expensive VED rate. It will be £180 as far as I can tell. It has the range extender, which emits 14g of CO2.
Most of the investment is in schools and hospitals and road infrastructure which is good place to spend - if we can afford it or not is another question
@@julesviolin OK, should have read it more than once lol. Best in my fleet is my old Passat Estate at £35 a year!! '17 Mustang GT Manual is about 4.8 0-60 I believe?, My GR Yaris is a bit slower.
Great video, I would like to use Alternative E fuels and maintain my vehicles, surely its the best solution: Do we need to protest? LOL. Reuse or replace engines, exhaust, and particle filters, and Add blue. Steam power. Stop, start. More gears. Skinny City tyres and wheels. intelligent traffic management, traffic light times for better flow at busy rush hours. I feel Labour chucks money at things, hoping it will solve a problem. We have alot of potholes in our area caused by the weight of the vehicle, surly weight is a consideration when car tax is involved. I still don't know anyone who voted Labour! If you can afford an electric vehicle you can afford a normal road tax, not sure a £500 incentive over a year makes a difference.
The sad fact is one the government dont see or perhaps choose to ignore is the loss on quality of life for the lower budget families that at one time may have chosen to visit a different part of the country or the sea side with the kids are no doubt now not doing that as they simply cannot afford to do so and that is wrong. Get them off there phones they say but take them somewhere ...... no chance
Regarding cars as an appreciating asset is always a very high risk position. The cars shown appear to represent a very interesting museum collection- which could be a source of income of course
Not sure if I have this totally correct but I think Band K in the rates chart has a * which *Includes cars with a CO2 figure over 225g/km but were registered before 23 March 2006. Therefore £415 for most sport cars pre that date. My 350z has 273/km but is £415. So rates of some pre march 2006 cars will be lower. I could be wrong.
Remember first year road tax is built into the price of buying the car from the dealer. Manufacturer's/dealers will soak most of the extra up. As for luxury car tax going on well thats price parity with every vehicle over 40k, hopefully that'll bring cars down in price as more people will want to stay away from that amount. Or else it might be raised to 50k.
Might just drive my summer sports car with no tax now I've realised it's going up to 415 a year vs potential 80 quid if I get caught and fined. After all there's hardly any police around these days to pull us over and with these ridiculous rates there will be loads driving with no tax.
any info on the flat rate tax for Japanese imports? Namely Volvo V60 T6 3.0 to be specific.. This is the first i've came across your channel, thats a nice collection you have! +1 m8, Cheers
I think the government cocked up way back when all taxes changed. For ‘emissions’! Didnt we all used to pay £180 or £220 (roughly) I had a £20 tax Skoda 1.6tdi which was great, but (that car has contributed £280 to the coffers since 2010 rather than £2520 if was on the old system- £180 per yr) That’s why there is a black hole! IMO Why not just charge everyone a nominal amount, £220 a year for example - no matter what your car emits it still uses the infrastructure of the rd network .
I have just purchased a house in france and wanted to take my 8 year old Range Rover and 14 year old Merc CL to transfer the cars we need to pay £80,000! Have a look at the French emissions tax it’s scary
The cost of running a car is the reason why I got rid of mine and started cycling instead, I'm just fortunate that I only live 4 miles from work and can live without the car, obviously not everyone can and like you mentioned it seems like the government want everyone off the road, how a new driver can afford to run a car i do not know?
Hundreds of thousands of motorists could give up their cars in favour of bicycles, electric or not. Instead they value the status they think their car gives them and lack the imagination to try the alternatives.
Pretty sure pre 2006 is cheaper. my 2004 997 is cheaper then a 2006 to tax. *Band K includes cars that have a CO2 emission figure over 225g/km but were registered before 23 March 2006 I've also got a golf gti which is historic tax in a few years so keeping that.
Sure I read the luxury tax wasnt going to EVs next year, which was originally planned. But would be reviewed at future fiscal events. As you say, can tax for 6 months with some of those. Amazing collection there. Jag arent going to be selling any new cars until '26 (in the uk). Crazy times in the car world.
Section 5.87 of the Budget (VED Expensive Car Supplement) states that the government will consider raising the threshold for zero emission cars only at a future fiscal event. That indicates that it will apply as planned from April 2025.
Change in road tax has been coming for quite a while. Your surprise at the increases is rather disingenuous. There are a minuscule number of folk who own such collections of vehicles, tough luck I’m afraid.
Ive never understood why they don't just tax a few extra pence on a litre of fuel. . . . Nobody has the facilities to make their own diesel and petrol. . . . And. . . The more you drive , the more you pay. . . .seems fair to me???
This idea that they can just keep taking money from us is insane. What are they doing with all this money. Its just theft from citizens. Why can't they manage the funds better.
The infrastructure costs and change to garage is really being ignored. We have tried electric cars and they are really not practical the ability to charge is simply not there, even temperatures make a huge impact. This fixation on 2030 has to be addressed. UK plc cannot afford this.
Utterly ridiculous! Watch the numbers of people failing to renew car tax escalate. I would go so far as to say at these levels the fine would be less than the charge.
Just wait for the next budget when they will put up fuel duty and maybe will consider removing the classic car zero rated VED. I wouldn't put it past this Gov't. They will always spend and spend more to satisfy their ideology.
It’s all mad. We should incentives keeping cars longer, over buying new cars every 2-3yrs which is crazy and even with a ev is not green ever. As a trades person I’m massively concerned.
I try and work tax 6 months etc and also around the weather, some enjoyment and some investments. I really enjoy the older cars like the escort cosworth and V6 Clio
By by putting the cost of the road tax up that is gonna cause food prices going up because that must be for lorries as well people that have got their own businesses mobile mechanics all sorts of people are going to be affected by that I think everybody that got a business bring the country to a standstill there soon sort something out with it then
It’s a total mess. No one is forcing electric! Not now. There are cheaper £20 petrol & diesel rates. All EV will be £190. Doesn’t make any sense. How can anything that emits emissions be under zero emission? That’s hardly forcing electric! The opposite. It’s abandoning them.
oh and i am glad i am 70 AND HAVE HAD THE BEST OF TIMES DRIVING WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT PETROL WAS CHEAP TAX WAS CHEAP INSURANCE WAS CHEAP OH AND NOW I DRIVE A 1989 MINI NOT ONE OF THEM SCALEXTRIC £103 per year insurance still have to pay tax but nothing like these new heaps of shite
@@witofthestaircase1 yep a long time before we had idiots running our country woke all these men saying they are women and all that alphabet letter rubbish just great times
Best thing You Should do is Keep the GT3 RS and all the Rally cars and Sell Everything Else as You dont Need a Shed Full as thats Quite a Sum of Money Sat there ? I Have Loved all those Rally Cars You Have and I Can Not afford Any Car Now.
I think people are under estimating where this is going. I don’t even think the Politicians have any idea of what they’re now doing. I can see something nasty on the horizon and I suspect even car ownership is even under threat
You could be right - totally controlled
“All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rule exclusively by force.” George Orwell
Net zero climate catastrophe nonsense, imposed by the elites who travel the world in private jets will tell us soon enough that we should stop going to holiday by air to save the planet.
They know exactly what they are doing, following orders from the WEF Davos mob, who fly around the world in private jets but tell us to cut our emissions in order to conform to the climate catastrophe nonsense. Next it will be stop flying abroad on holiday.
They know exactly what they’re doing. They’re following orders from their WEF overlords.
Only the rich will have cars in the future, 15 minute cities are coming very soon.
Time for the people to stand together and fight back against the criminals in power .
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Grow up FFS
@@StevenHaggis so you roll over and take it up the sh*tter eh? bet you are fully jabbed up because you didnt fight back?
Yeah rito!!!!!
Sorry the diluted British won’t fight back, just lie down & accept it…
People will simply keep hold of their older cars, and the incentive to buy new is now become even more expensive. I think the government clearly don't fully understand the purpose of the humble motorcar. We all don't have collections of supercars. The average motorist need a car in order to make a living, so they're literally biting off the hand that feeds the economy... people need cars in order too get to work to pay tax....the magical taxation is not going to fuel the motor industry at all, new car sales will plummet as a result of this budget.
They're trying to force the transition to EV cars, which no one wants.
@@jayc342009 and this 'forcing' of EVs really effects sales, especially when its been noted in many articles from motor industry experts, stating that the EV market will only ever occupy 30% of the car market. I won't be one of those 30% and it's not because I hate the EV. Its simply because they just don't work for me. And I'd like choice.
@@jayc342009nor can we afford, unless you are a company driver!
These clowns can threaten fines against car manufacturers all they want, if you me and every other other DECENT LAW ABIDING motorist don’t want or cannot afford an EV and these muppets continue to fine the makers then there will be NO CHOICE for said manufacturers but to drastically cut back or stop producing such vehicles (ala VW) by which time, governments will be made to look bigger fools than now (should that be possible) with no free cash going into their cashbox.
You can if you want
@@lesliecooper3404 I don’t think it’s a ‘want’ thing, it’s more of a necessity for some.
Labour taxation will destroy our struggling car industry, utter madness.
I hope we go into recession just 2 laugh in labours face about how bad they are and get them kicked out of government
Brexit did that
What car industry exactly?!
@@johnmunro4952moron.
The Government did try to Encourage folk to move from the sticks to cities from 2010 in readiness for the emissions Ban! Cycling was Encouraged during Lockup in 2020! All makes perfect sense but to us it's inconvenient and that's just not an excuse to continue polluting the environment for future populations to choke on!!!
It’s simple really, they don’t want us plebs on the roads..
Yep. Feudalism 2.0
@@davekelly8168 They will always have plebs on the road, but it seems they will have millions of plebs in old petrol cars not taxed, uninsured, no mots, unfortunately roadworthy driving around instead..nobody to stop them,..police are too scared, or too busy ...
Hardly plebs motorcars !
They don't want us plebs!
Oh sure these are plebs cars....if you can affords any one of these cars you ain't no pleb
Manufacturers simply won't care about the British market, it just be left behind.
Always really interesting to hear people's opinions and perspectives; it's perhaps also worthwhile adding some context bc there are multiple layers to this discussion.
For example, the 2030 d/line was obviously put in place by the previous Govt. - and done in a clumsy attempt to garner Green support; there clearly was no strategy, no manufacturer consultation, no in-depth analysis of use cases, let alone an infrastructure plan. It's pretty clear too that the precise application of that deadline will continue to flex; manufacturers have to be able to serve a global market and geographies such as the US, Australia, India, Africa etc. won't have anything close to a practical EV support infrastructure in any near future. (They of course also intro'd the £40k new car purchase price trigger.)
EVs have a role but they most definitely aren't the full solution; we're very likely facing a mix of EV/hybridised/Biofuel/fuel cell power units - but, of course, manufacturers need governments to actively listen to engineering and scientific experts when it comes to modelling power unit usage to a country's economic needs and capabilities. (Nb. Harry's Garage has done some superb videos on this topic. They are worth checking out, if you've not seen them.)
One of the greatest missteps by UK governments, (for decades), has been to use the motorist as a 24/7 ATM; fuel tax, VAT, vehicle tax etc., etc. Britain became a net importer of cars for the first time in 1977 - and that position has never changed. A once world-leading automotive manufacturing centre became a honey pot for exporters seeking a market whose growth was accelerated by the introduction of the Company Car and, thus, a perfect target for a Buy, Run, Renew philosophy. There's an argument that says PCP and its earlier equivalents had a similar impact on Private car sales. (Until interest rates exploded, that is; thanks directly to the malignant ego and incompetent mind of Lizz Truss et al.)
Had our previous Govt. not left a legacy of ££££'s wasted on mates' ineffectual PPE companies c.£10billion (yes 'billion'), subsidising Tesla to the tune of £12.m per WEEK, fraudulent company support grants of £1bn+, Rishi Sunak's £4.3bn fraud, would this Govt. have made the moves it has? Who knows but you can be sure the motorist would have remained an easy 'victim'.
What is there to learn from the mess? We didn't get here overnight.
When Boris was Mayor of London, he set the benchmark for spurious, ineffectual, dishonest leadership: he signed-off £300m on the design of a new Routemaster bus that was taken out of service in under 5yrs; what was promised to be an 'eco-friendly, cleanest, greenest' bus became the watchword for 'inoperability and battery failure'. The new Routemaster was quickly transformed to run purely off diesel from an engine that emitted 74% more harmful particles than the buses it had replaced.
Our future Prime Minister avoided industry expert advice and real-life evidence, all for a few more minutes in front of the camera. I've voted Tory since I was a student but the toxic ineptitude and wilful negligence of the past 14yrs+ brought us to this rock and a hard place. There is some not inconsiderable irony in folks wealthy enough to own car collections bleating about tax increases; of course, it's a chunk of money but privilege, (unless you're Boris J and his close buds), surely ought to come at a price?
Perhaps there's room for a scheme that incentivises owners of classic vehicles, rewarding them for the investment they make in keeping older machines alive? Or might there be different levels of taxation according to the type of fuel a vehicle uses; if you're in a position to spend large on a luxury EV, might that not be taxed at the same level as the Range Rover SV next to you at the lights? After all, no one was forced into those vehicles and I've yet to speak to a successful business owner or corp. leader who's said they'll reverse their purchase decision. I have, however, heard from many who've said 'transportation' - just like food, industry and education - warrants a national strategic planning policy. Which would be in direct opposition our previous Govt.'s approach.
Those of us who love cars, driving and vehicles of any description probably have the best chance we've had in almost 20yrs to contribute to getting the policy right; so let's not just complain, let's find ways to inspire our MPs behaviour and thinking.
@@Jacky5299 British manufacturers who can’t make cheap EV’s is what will kill their business the world is changing to new technology . Petrol will be a thing of the past just like steam.
electric cars should pay the same tax as other cars after all they use the same roads as us
Yes but how do you do it? Currently cars are taxed on emissions and EVs in the eyes of the government are zero emission vehicles? The only solution is to tax cars on weight and power. That’s a fairer way of doing it to avoid unfairly taxing cars regardless of whether it’s ICE or an EV.
Everything is emissions now plenty of new speed restrictions on motorway ways that pass built up areas all to do with cleaner air..
It’s sod all to do with emissions it’s a tax how can a small engine car be such a high cost and why do we pay more if it’s over £40K it’s ridiculous and just another way to hammer workers for tax, new car tax is not based on emissions. If so why does it drop after the car gets to 5 years old !!
I totally agree!@@jackjoyce1744
They will be paying the same road tax, including the luxury car tax. Only the first year purchase tax is different
Why is everybody complaining? That is what they wanted when they voted Labour. They were warned by the tories and reform.
Yep, 80% of the people sat at home and didn't vote. The British public love being abused!
I'm not complaining. If people have the money to buy brand-new expensive gas-guzzlers, the extra VED will just be loose change to them, and they probably won't be paying for it out of their own pocket anyway.
Labour never won anything, The were installed in a corrupt system. They had 2.1 million less votes,
Watch the next election when it start destroying them
Only 20% (and all idiots) voted Labour! EVs are an environmental disaster in the making, I’m convinced most politicians are criminally insane!
80% are complaining because they didn’t vote for these crooks.
Simple answer is no body pay road tax.. simple. If we all stand together they can't do nothing.. maybe they will learn we are run/build/make the country not the politicians/government.. they are civil servant's, they work for us not the other way round.
How precisely do you suggest that happens? You poor loves do like to whinge
This was supposed to happen with gas and electric bills when they went through the roof. Remember the “just don’t pay” campaign that went quiet very quickly
Debt collection is no joke. It is likely automated to the point of automated addition of late fees, administrative fees up until court. Nobody wants to deal with this. A very naive stance to promote "simply don't pay".
You do know Alf Garnett was satire? You are also correct that they ”can’t do nothing” in the face of you and your Wolfy Smith mates, but I think your English comprehension is letting your argument down there.
Got your poppy yet?
We won't though because we are pathetic, spineless sheep.
All goes to the hotel merchants
And migrants everything ££££££
And this is another reason to get out the uk. Its finnished. the only people left will be the ones who cant see whats comming when its all too late
17.4 million Muppets made that much harder
It doesn’t cost you anything now, but I guarantee they’re gonna come after collectors with a collectors tax
If you buy a Japanese imported car you only pay a standard rate road Tax as they don't have the CO2 ratings on the V5s, saves a lot of money on sports cars and all rust free..
They often get the engine size wrong, too.
I’ve had 2 Japanese imports with different tax prices.
I have just checked and my 2004 5.7l Hemi Powered Dodge RAM will be still at the pre 2001 rate which is a result. I have had it 15 years so quite happy to carry on using that until either it or me are banned.
The LABOUR party are no longer given us a choice you will drive a electric car or pay a high price this to me is very unfair vote reform from now to the next general election @reform for me
Arguably, collecting big-engine high-carbon cars and driving them very sparingly (under 2k miles per annum) is good for the environment. We should argue for road tax rebates for cars that do less than 2k miles pa.
Hopefully zero emissions efuels soon too
The biggest down side of electric cars is the battery. Just like electric tools, when the battery needs to be replaced, it is cheaper to buy a new one. Battery life is not great right now, however some manufacturers are starting to think about the battery being a separate component, and they will be leased to you instead of you buying it. This could change things for the EV industry. The companies can recycle the batteries more efficiently and you won't be hit with a 20k bill for the battery when buying the car.
I won't buy an EV now because I know that in 4 or 5 yrs the battery will require changing, and most people probably won't even have paid off the loan by then.
My petrol car is over 10 yrs old and runs fine only oil changes and fuel. I don't have to worry about a 20k bill every 4 or 5 yrs replacing a battery pack.
If you’re buying privately, the savage depreciation on an EV is still far far worse than the new tax rates.
What a load of BS! EV's have dropped in price no doubt partly like all cars especially high end like Lambo, Porsche and Ferrari to name a few, as for salvage depreciation thats just ignorance on battery life vs mileage. EV savings as little as £7 per full tank is a massive saving (if you can home charge) then the yearly service costs at approx avg. £450 per year or more. But yes get that Road Fund licence cost up to fill the government coffers.
@ 🤣🤣🤣 guessing you’ve got an expensive EV that is depreciating badly! Unlucky fella 🤣🤣🤣
@@schoolofhardknocks4501You’re just wrong and in denial. EVs are pure fraud whose intentions are to extract us from ICE vehicles. ICE is the target. EVs are the means. The perpetrators don’t want us travelling outside our 15 minute zones. Have you not heard of The Great Reset? Do you think they’re joking?
@@cp4512 4off actually paid for in full by Elon, so no loss there I'm afraid.
@@schoolofhardknocks4501 Four off yourself! 🤣🤣🤣
Everyone told to go electric and now getting pumped for it.
When they all go electric, and the government loose billions on fuel duties, how will they recover that loss? Probably on much higher taxes (import duty, expensive car tax, road tax, pay per mile, insurance, electricity and any other means that they dream up).
Why’s the motor industry not pushing back
They bloody well ought too
They need to start soon!
@@Challengetheroad even now they are going down the "give subsidies" road
Well said
Our motor industry is all foreign owned. They can simply move production to China. But remember nationalism is racist and bigoted! You're getting what you voted for and you getting what you fought WW2 for - vassalage to jewish international finance.
Don’t buy them let them all go broke isn’t net zero a wonderful thing
Net zero is essential if you want to keep living on planet earth 🌍
@@stephenbusby3521 😂 we are the carbon they want rid of. Net zero uk, compared to China building a coal fired power station at the rate of one a week, peak production won’t happen until 2027, the uk sits of 1000’s of tons of coal, yet we pay other countries to retrieve it & then chuck it on MASSIVE diesel guzzling ships to ship over hear to burn. Great idea Einstein. Net zero 😂
@@stephenbusby3521and be dirt poor because rich people are using net zero to take money from us.
They are taxing the working people that have a limited budget off the road
Look at bringing back a modern day guyfawkes
Yeah but not a failed one!
As usual Labour are screwing the low income who are the ones who will find paying the increased road tax a problem.
It is simple.. They do not want you to drive at all & if you must they intend to force you to buy an over priced EV.. Thank you Labour voters..
It seems that way for now!
Think about the bigger plan. 15/20years from now we might not even be allowed on the roads.
People suggesting we all go back to older cars to reduce our road tax bill. But what about ULEZ charges? I had a 2010 diesel car x a 1992 petrol car and had to sell both for next to nothing because of ULEZ. I now have had a 2017 petrol car for 2years x it looks like I’ll now have to sell that at a huge financial loss because of these new road tax rules. So we can’t win with a government which keeps changing the rules.
Yup the Globalists have it all pre planned and sewn up. They will get us off the roads and won't stop unless they're decorating lamp posts.
Lord Alli’s paying mine.
Only if you take some of his sausage.....😂😂😂 ask kier he knows....😂😂😂
Who is Lord Ali? I only know No Fear Scammer has a friend called Lord back Alley, and he likes a sausage as long as it’s not pork
Aye that puppet is completely owned by the wall kissers. Same with Keir Stalin.
People need to think how they vote? Like turkeys looking forward to Xmas 😔
Yeah they should vote for the net zero, mass migration, covid psyop party instead right? Or Tories-lite? We don't have an opposition in this country, you have one option; globalist managerialist Blairites.
My road tax has just come in! Mercedes c220 2021 - £600.00
Insurance £550 last year
Insurance £850 this year
What the hell is going on !!!
THEY DO NOT WANT YOU ON THE ROAD............SIMPLE AS THAT !
Just don't buy EVs and their plans will go to shit
Yeah bro just don't own a car, don't own anything! That will show them! Nothing will change until people literally just say no, stop paying their taxes and ignore their idiotic policies, full Poll Tax.
Something else to note, JDM import cars run way cheaper than the identical UK car. My jdm s2000 is dirt cheap to tax
That’s good to know - I will check a few regs to see later
@ S2OAR 2002
They ALWAYS go after the motorist. 🤬
With a collection, I'd buy some trade plates and every few months take them for a run. It's testing.
my civics are 1999 and 2000 and the tax is about 200/350 for the 1.4/1.8, i thought about buying an MG ZS 180 (same body shape) but the tax is 700. WTF?
some old dude tried selling me a 1984 rolls royce last week. 350 tax this year, 0 next year cos it's 40 years old. let's make the best of it and keep those old girls running!
So if I’m looking at this current trend of Ved rates rising correctly?
My Partners little 2023 Kia Stonic 998cc 3 cylinder turbo was £260 to tax at the dealer (they paid at new)
We had to pay £180 the following time to tax it. So next year that little 1.0 turbo will now cost £270 per year!
My old 08 Ford Mondeo 2.2 tdci TX is only £260 per year to tax.
Things are getting out of control!
Not worth me working then.
Feels that way!
I might be wrong but I think I saw an article about how UK are importing almost 80% of the energy and have highest energy prices in the world. Going by that, the EV dream will not work if it already costs more to run an EV than ICE car(if not relying on home charging at night tariffs).
Correct 👍
UK exports a high proportion of the electric energy from wind as firms french owned we get shafted because of price formula based on gas prices ,french get cheap energy subsidised by our high prices ,solor energy going to waste due to restricted transmission network ,more generated in south but not able to feed the network,crazy at our cost.
Hi, my thoughts are that the government can't afford the money to improve the infrastructure, roads, etc, (the millions quoted), so let's invest megar sums and let's make it so expensive to drive or own a vehicle, forcing people off the roads and bingo roads improve. Against all of this is industry and freedoms.
What an unfamiliar world are we heading into and - have we had our time - are petrol heads about to become extinct?
Kind regards.
Does look like I could be stuck in this Clubhouse for quite a while! It’s a very complex time but I love cars and just hope e Fuels really come through in 2025
We'll all be going back to riding a horse and cart with these twats in charge
I used to buy a new one every 3 years...not anymore..just bought my new petrol car...gonna make it last 15 years
Hate to break to you but a new petrol car will be lucky to get past 7 years. Better off with something from 1980.
The VED on my 2015 diesel car is going up from £0 to £20. I'm gutted!!
Stick with that car Brendan!
I’m paying more to tax a £1500 Volvo 850 diesel that’s 30 years old and does 50mpg than you are on a McLaren P1. Clown world.
That’s because the P1 isn’t filling the atmosphere with toxic and highly carcinogenic gases
This is the stupid and unachievable net Zero scam. Your old banger is much greener than newer cars over its long life, and better for the environment.
On the bright side, the total cost of running your 850 for a year is an order of magnitude less than running a P1, even with the higher tax 😀
£10 tax for electric cars is just the start! Once people are used to paying tax on EVs it'll quickly ramp up. I can't understand this 2030 deadline. In Europe, where a lot of manufacturers are based, they are aiming for 2035. Car companies aren't going to speed up the development of these cars by 5 years, just for the UK.
“We align ourselves with the Democrat party of the USA” Sir Kier Stalin.
The Democrat party of:
Open borders ✅
Higher taxes ✅
Massive inflation ✅
Record food prices ✅
Record crime rates ✅
Record rent rises ✅
Record money spent on illegal immigrants ✅
Law fare against political opponents ✅
What could possibly go wrong?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hi, just to let you know, much as I do not agree with some of the Democratic policy, to be factually correct they do NOT support open borders, the record food prices was due to global inflationary events (which the USA has had probably the strongest economic reset back to sensible inflation of the G7) and crime is also down. Unfortunately, the illegal immigration problem needs a LOT of money thrown at it (as is seen around the world) and I am not sure there is actually a viable alternative. Interesting on the subject of immigration here in the UK, that UK born women have a worse birth rate than Japan at it’s worse and if it wasn’t for the immigrant (expat?!) community, we would rally be in a lot of trouble in about 20 years - see China!
Open borders because MAGA killed the bill. The rest is just lies.
This is what happens when governments decide to force something rather than let it develop naturally. Its taken a hundred years or so to get where we are now. They cannot push this agenda without the infrastructure. Its either incompetence or deliberate. I had a full electric car for three years and I have now gone back to petrol again. People say its range anxiety, it's not, its availability to charge anxiety.
Marxist ideology from the wall kissing Globalists.
The car tax situation is one more reason why as a Brit, I will almost certainly still live abroad, so reducing the overall tax take by a little. There are at minimum, hundreds of thousands like me.
I feel the same!
My 2018 Polo runabout in Spain is 14 euro tax a year.
If people are priced out of their cars then there will be no one to run all the essential services as they won’t be able to go to work. We don’t all have transport systems like London.
The budget is crap but it could have been so much worse. Was really thinking they'd do a pay per mile, extra on fuel and possible capital gains on cars etc.
The aim seems to be to force us all into EVs if we hope to keep up with the modern world. But if people think that EVs are the answer, they haven't undrstood the question.
And don't think that EVs (or hybrids - same thing in my book) will remain 'affordable'. Low prices are just a bribe to get us onto the hook. As those chappies selling strange and addictive powders in little bags on street corners are quick to say, "Relax, pal - the first hit's always free."
What to do? Well, if modern personal motorised transport is insanely expensive - and it is, and it's about to get even more so - why pay more than you can afford to keep up with the pace of a life that owning such transport dictates? What's the point of keeping up? Where's the sense in cramming sooooo much into every hour of every day if it just brings frustration, anxiety and misery?
Perhaps it's time to fight back by slowing things down to a comfortable walking pace.
I've been too skint to have a car for over a decade (sold it in 2012) and have just ridden a bike since then. What would the country do if we dragged transportation back to the (affordable) days when everything moved slowly? To a time when the fastest thing on the road was a horse and cart; the canals carried barges, towed by horses.
Life was slow, slow, slow.
But cheap, cheap, cheap.
Imagine the entire nation reduced to little more than walking pace. Getting in to work in the morning takes you 10 minutes by car or bus... So tell the boss you can't afford that any more. You'll have to walk in. It'll take a couple of hours. But first you have to get the kids to school. Sorry, boss. That's another hour. Oh, and your gran always need some help first thing, getting a fire lit, heating some water, cooking breakfast and making a nice cup of tea...
That'll be another hour.
Public transport is far too expensive for a mere pleb; 95% of the working population will be too poor for a horse or cart, so most of Britain will be back in the 1700s, walking.
Instead of being at Asda in time to stack shelves or push trolleys or scan goods or welcome your first customer at 07.00, you'll amble in just before midday, tired and fed up. The guys in the warehouse have nowt to do because lorries are too expensive these days (road tax trebled, insurance doubled, diesel at £17.15 a gallon) and the canal barge from the depot in Birmingham doesn't arrive for another five hours.
The country grinds to a halt. Slowly. Yes, I know it's a bl**dy ludicrous scenario, but what would the government DO if there was a national 'go-slow'?
Of course there would still be plenty of wealthy eco-warriors swanning about in their EVs; the Teslamic faithful would be in their offices bright and early, having charged their cars overnight from the 'free electricity' generated by their gigantic £45,000 home solar/battery storage 'solutions'...
But they wouldn't get much done if half the office staff was still making its way to work, would they.
Not that I'm advocating any kind of mass civil protest against the government's net-zero vision, no, no, no. But it does no harm to conduct a thought experiment or two.
I mean, nobody wants to bring an entire country to its knees just to make a point, do they.
They can tax me off the road. I'd love nothing more than being able to get rid of the cash eating burden that is my van. Paid £360 today for a service and MoT. £600 a year insurance. £330 a year tax. £80 a month in fuel getting to work. A bus pass is £65 a month. If we had proper public transport, and I could get the bus to work, I'd have sold my van by now
Good goy, yes you should want to be a slave, goy. Get rid of your car and own nothing goy.
Investments or ornaments? They were made to be driven! Rubber perishes and gaskets dry out! When these cars are driven, they are going to dump all their fluids!
I look after them for sure
More car factories will have to close then. Cant see the current purchase rate being sustained as we suffer a raft of tax increases.
I think so, unless ev experience really improves in the next 12 months, not sure that can happen.
Thanks for the video.. nice collection there!! Just a couple of points.. You said your GT3 was 2018 so is £735.. surely it should be £190 RFL if it's post April 1st '17? Also, the additional £410 is only for the first five years of ownership? Or has she changed that as well? Finally, I believe from April 1st '25 All electric cars will have to pay £190, and it's backdated to any EV post 2018? They will only pay £30 when new new?
As a side note, Good old Mr Khan has added the congestion charge to all EV's from 25/12/25, yes, Christmas day FFS!!
Thanks Nigel, I will check the gt3 as that could be good news, yes its £190 for secondhand Evs my source of data was showing £410 luxury tax to be added which is no correct.
@@Challengetheroad Great!!! i saw the 65 plate on the GT3 and wondered if it was a private plate or you said it wrong. Glad it went in your favour. Wow.. it is confusing innit!! I can't make out if from 1/4/25 EV's are free, pay the £410 or not?? None of the sites seem to agree. All I know is my Mustang GT and GR Yaris will still be £190.. phew!!
I think the pre 2006 points others have made are correct. I had a 2009 R32 and a 2005 one was half the price. VED is a mess. My BMW i3 qualified for the luxury car tax and as it has the Range Extender it has cost me nigh on £600 a year to tax and it’s been the most heavily depreciating car I have ever owned. I thought I was doing the right thing by having that for all the short journeys but I feel pretty bitter at what that decision has cost me! I hope they switch to a cost per mile basis for VED because as a car enthusiast with several cars, it would be far better to be charged on the basis of road usage and emissions, rather than these arbitrary rates that simply reflect different eras of budgetary nonsense from various political regimes bound together only by their total ineptitude on the topic on which they were regulating. The general calibre of the people in government making these decisions continues to deteriorate, whether it be on transport, agriculture, welfare or just about anything else.
100% with you Tony - your last point is totally correct
Why did you obey their ideology and go electric its obviously a scam
@ I try to be a responsible citizen. Don’t get me wrong, the i3 is a great car and remains a sensible choice for the shops, urban commute, kids to sports etc. I saw it as offsetting the fact I had a Landrover and a 911, both of which have cost me less in VED, incidentally!
Am I correct in thinking when the i3 is 5 years old the road tax will only be £10 a year
@ not in our case. It’s after 6 years because it was registered in Dec 18 and is only just about to come out of the really expensive VED rate. It will be £180 as far as I can tell. It has the range extender, which emits 14g of CO2.
My 2010 GTR has always been £650/£700+ road tax for last 4 years now , sod all to do with the new budget/ government . They've always robbed us ! Lol
Most of the investment is in schools and hospitals and road infrastructure which is good place to spend - if we can afford it or not is another question
The best value BHP wise in my fleet is my 2003 SL55 AMG
£435 tax per annum
500bhp 👍
Lovely car - I have mercedes coming in soon
My '17 Mustang GT.. 415BHP and £190 tax, so mines better than yours on that metric lol.
@NigelsModellingBench erm I said the best one in my fleet.
I wasn't comparing it with anyone else's.
Your Mustang 0 - 60 ??
@@julesviolin OK, should have read it more than once lol. Best in my fleet is my old Passat Estate at £35 a year!! '17 Mustang GT Manual is about 4.8 0-60 I believe?, My GR Yaris is a bit slower.
@@NigelsModellingBench how come a 2017 Mustang is only £190 ?!
Great video, I would like to use Alternative E fuels and maintain my vehicles, surely its the best solution: Do we need to protest? LOL. Reuse or replace engines, exhaust, and particle filters, and Add blue. Steam power. Stop, start. More gears. Skinny City tyres and wheels. intelligent traffic management, traffic light times for better flow at busy rush hours. I feel Labour chucks money at things, hoping it will solve a problem. We have alot of potholes in our area caused by the weight of the vehicle, surly weight is a consideration when car tax is involved. I still don't know anyone who voted Labour! If you can afford an electric vehicle you can afford a normal road tax, not sure a £500 incentive over a year makes a difference.
Do you know what the RFL will be on a 2018, 3500kG Motorhome will be?
The sad fact is one the government dont see or perhaps choose to ignore is the loss on quality of life for the lower budget families that at one time may have chosen to visit a different part of the country or the sea side with the kids are no doubt now not doing that as they simply cannot afford to do so and that is wrong. Get them off there phones they say but take them somewhere ...... no chance
Regarding cars as an appreciating asset is always a very high risk position. The cars shown appear to represent a very interesting museum collection- which could be a source of income of course
Hi Tony, Yes I understand my position being an accountant too
@ thank you. I hope that things go well for you in the future.
Not sure if I have this totally correct but I think Band K in the rates chart has a * which *Includes cars with a CO2 figure over 225g/km but were registered before 23 March 2006.
Therefore £415 for most sport cars pre that date. My 350z has 273/km but is £415.
So rates of some pre march 2006 cars will be lower.
I could be wrong.
It quite tricky on prices - I have been using the Parkers guide on each car Reg
It’s changed. Honest John web site has the very latest bad news on VEd..
With the batteries in the EV today, the tax is a lot less than the replacement cost of the battery.
Remember first year road tax is built into the price of buying the car from the dealer. Manufacturer's/dealers will soak most of the extra up. As for luxury car tax going on well thats price parity with every vehicle over 40k, hopefully that'll bring cars down in price as more people will want to stay away from that amount. Or else it might be raised to 50k.
Might just drive my summer sports car with no tax now I've realised it's going up to 415 a year vs potential 80 quid if I get caught and fined. After all there's hardly any police around these days to pull us over and with these ridiculous rates there will be loads driving with no tax.
any info on the flat rate tax for Japanese imports? Namely Volvo V60 T6 3.0 to be specific..
This is the first i've came across your channel, thats a nice collection you have!
+1 m8, Cheers
Thank you, going to look into this on imports as I have quite a few here.
I think the government cocked up way back when all taxes changed. For ‘emissions’!
Didnt we all used to pay £180 or £220 (roughly)
I had a £20 tax Skoda 1.6tdi which was great, but (that car has contributed £280 to the coffers since 2010 rather than £2520 if was on the old system- £180 per yr)
That’s why there is a black hole! IMO
Why not just charge everyone a nominal amount, £220 a year for example - no matter what your car emits it still uses the infrastructure of the rd network .
Group k* before March 2006 £415?
What is the point of a car that is not used
I have just purchased a house in france and wanted to take my 8 year old Range Rover and 14 year old Merc CL to transfer the cars we need to pay £80,000! Have a look at the French emissions tax it’s scary
It's all about control. I'll carry on driving my WRX STI as long as I can. I'm not playing.
I have bought my self an old car 42years old no road tax or mot. Succes it even has a character
The cost of running a car is the reason why I got rid of mine and started cycling instead, I'm just fortunate that I only live 4 miles from work and can live without the car, obviously not everyone can and like you mentioned it seems like the government want everyone off the road, how a new driver can afford to run a car i do not know?
It’s £3000 Insurnace for new drivers - Crazy!
Hundreds of thousands of motorists could give up their cars in favour of bicycles, electric or not. Instead they value the status they think their car gives them and lack the imagination to try the alternatives.
Pretty sure pre 2006 is cheaper. my 2004 997 is cheaper then a 2006 to tax. *Band K includes cars that have a CO2 emission figure over 225g/km but were registered before 23 March 2006 I've also got a golf gti which is historic tax in a few years so keeping that.
@@keyo525 correct, and JDM import (possibly any import) is even cheaper
Yes I’m sure the change was march 2006 my earlier boxter was half the price of my 2008 boxter,
Sure I read the luxury tax wasnt going to EVs next year, which was originally planned. But would be reviewed at future fiscal events.
As you say, can tax for 6 months with some of those. Amazing collection there.
Jag arent going to be selling any new cars until '26 (in the uk). Crazy times in the car world.
Thank you, I just saw that about Jaguar new car sales! Really strange times with Electric and Tax etc
Section 5.87 of the Budget (VED Expensive Car Supplement) states that the government will consider raising the threshold for zero emission cars only at a future fiscal event. That indicates that it will apply as planned from April 2025.
Thanks, yeah think early articles were bit confusing or incorrect.
Change in road tax has been coming for quite a while. Your surprise at the increases is rather disingenuous. There are a minuscule number of folk who own such collections of vehicles, tough luck I’m afraid.
All put 2 cars are on Sorn from today! So all good here for now
Ive never understood why they don't just tax a few extra pence on a litre of fuel. . . . Nobody has the facilities to make their own diesel and petrol. . . . And. . . The more you drive , the more you pay. . . .seems fair to me???
I would be happy with that - every time I go abroad the roads are lovely too. We need a business person in charge of these huge decisions.
This idea that they can just keep taking money from us is insane. What are they doing with all this money. Its just theft from citizens. Why can't they manage the funds better.
They already do.
The infrastructure costs and change to garage is really being ignored. We have tried electric cars and they are really not practical the ability to charge is simply not there, even temperatures make a huge impact. This fixation on 2030 has to be addressed. UK plc cannot afford this.
Utterly ridiculous! Watch the numbers of people failing to renew car tax escalate.
I would go so far as to say at these levels the fine would be less than the charge.
Just wait for the next budget when they will put up fuel duty and maybe will consider removing the classic car zero rated VED. I wouldn't put it past this Gov't. They will always spend and spend more to satisfy their ideology.
What ever they do you can’t make someone buy something they don’t want.
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I'm no business man, but this is the worst thing that could have happened how the hell can they justify this, I bloody gate Labour 😡😡
It’s all mad. We should incentives keeping cars longer, over buying new cars every 2-3yrs which is crazy and even with a ev is not green ever. As a trades person I’m massively concerned.
It's a bit sad that you can't drive those nice cars because of the horrendous VED. Are they mostly just display/investment items?
I try and work tax 6 months etc and also around the weather, some enjoyment and some investments. I really enjoy the older cars like the escort cosworth and V6 Clio
How have you afforded to buy these May I asks
Hard work over 30 years! Clubhouse is looking good 😊
It's £40k regardless of new or second hand
Well done you’ve just killed the car market
By by putting the cost of the road tax up that is gonna cause food prices going up because that must be for lorries as well people that have got their own businesses mobile mechanics all sorts of people are going to be affected by that I think everybody that got a business bring the country to a standstill there soon sort something out with it then
Only Boris a trained car Dealer can save us. We need to bring him back with Covid loans and old money.
I’m keeping me Honda 90
VW and Ford say they are struggling financially
Taxes in Belgium are 3 times higher!
The only saving grace for JLR is the middle east market but they are going to have to sell an awful lot of cars !
It’s a total mess. No one is forcing electric! Not now. There are cheaper £20 petrol & diesel rates. All EV will be £190. Doesn’t make any sense. How can anything that emits emissions be under zero emission? That’s hardly forcing electric! The opposite. It’s abandoning them.
Some great cars at £20 VED hopefully that stays too
I remember all cars being £12.50 a year.
That 3 wheeler is missing the "midwife on call" parking sign 😂
Its in the back! Its my best car!
@@Challengetheroad brilliant 😂😂
oh and i am glad i am 70 AND HAVE HAD THE BEST OF TIMES DRIVING WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT PETROL WAS CHEAP TAX WAS CHEAP INSURANCE WAS CHEAP OH AND NOW I DRIVE A 1989 MINI NOT ONE OF THEM SCALEXTRIC £103 per year insurance still have to pay tax but nothing like these new heaps of shite
I think so Ted!
You’d give anything to be 20 again
@@witofthestaircase1 yep a long time before we had idiots running our country woke all these men saying they are women and all that alphabet letter rubbish just great times
Pocket change to those who can afford these cars. What is the big deal?
My 2005 Nissan Micra was £220 this year. God knows what it will go up to.
Just tax them on direct debit monthly, then cancel after a month of fun.
Best thing You Should do is Keep the GT3 RS and all the Rally cars and Sell Everything Else as You dont Need a Shed Full as thats Quite a Sum of Money Sat there ?
I Have Loved all those Rally Cars You Have and I Can Not afford Any Car Now.
Great video
Thanks!