KAI KF-21 Refuels for the First Time!
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I was surprised that many countries saw Korea's technological prowess lower than expected.
Of course, I understand because I don't know about every country.
Korea is one of the best semiconductor technology countries, the world's No. 1 secondary battery company, on a world-class level shipbuilder, electronics, machinery, and materials technology...
It's a small country, but it has enough infrastructure to build an aircraft.
Except for the engine of the KF-21 fighter jet, other small things were excluded, and advanced technologies such as AESA radar, EO-IR, and electronic combat systems were localized.
And I left the internal armoured window empty, leaving a path to the fifth generation.
And there is a stealth shape, but it also has stealth paint technology.
South Korea is deliberately saying that the KF-21 performance is low to avoid U.S. sanctions. It also has electronic warfare technology. It has long been said that
For your information, 20% of Indonesia is not a big money for Korea, but because of the need for export performance
Even if Indonesia leaves, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Poland are waiting.
South Koreans want Indonesia to leave, but out of courtesy between nations, South Korea is still treating Indonesia.
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Hanwha Aerospace produced and delivered 10,000 aircraft engines. And we are researching our own brand. It will be completed around 2032.
@@yslee58question is if it's a licensed copy of a US engine. Very difficult to beat US engine designs.
@@shaunwu3910of course is's a licensed copy of the US design. In other words, they are capable of manufacturing jet engines with a decent quality control. Developing one is a total different story and as far as know, they've developed an APU so far.
Not a trillion dollars, but a trillion Korean Wons. Appoximately one billion US dollars. The total budget for developmet (including the part owed by indonesia) is just under 6 billion US dollars.
뱅모님 안녕하세요.
Korean manufacturing prowess is no joke. Be grateful were allies.
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For your reference:
Mae in Korean means a hawk.
Boramae is a young hunting hawk trained as such since a fledgling.
I am very proud that we have a country (South Korea) as strong as our allies.
Gonky’s points have been really good lately.
Usually he’s not taking himself or the topics so seriously, but lately the insight I expect from a guy with is experience his showing.
Kudos.
Trillion Korean Won...which is not that much in dollars for a fighter jet project. I think Korea is more than ready to terminate the contract with Indonesia but they just don't want to be the first one to bring this up. Korea will just sit back and wait for that pending amount plus interests. All prototypes are in Korea and Indonesian engineers and pilots do not have access to these jets. By the way, an Indonesian engineer was caught with USB containing information on the program which he should not obtain or store. The investigation is currently ongoing..... I think this tells a lot.
It would be helpful if India joined the project.
Indonesia has been caught sneaking attempts to steal technology without paying the development fee to Korea for several years. The foul play resembles China
KF-21 is 4.5 gen. Despite its appearance, S. Korea doesn't claim the KF-21 is 5th gen or stealth.
Probably still stealthier than the Su-57
More like 4.9 gen. Only thing missing is internal storage and exotic stealth materials for deeper stealth. External weapons and the lack of exotic materials are an advantage for increased firepower and reduced maintenance and reduced costs that acts as a good complement to the fully stealthy F-35 that South Korea also uses with the opposite pros and cons.
Goal of the project was to replace aging F4 and F5 that make up a big portion of the ROKA fleet.
@@stupidburp KF-21 block-3 will integrate internal weapons bay. If you look at photos of assembly of KF-21 floating around, you can see there is space for it.
I was going to say, the KF-21 as it currently is, is essentially a baseline platform.
As the production line gets going & production jets get ordered, I think we will see stealth coating & internal bays be incorporated fairly soon.
코리아는 6세대 자국산 전투기용30,000파운드급 항공기엔진 개발을 시작했습니다.
2030년대중반까지 개발완료하는것이 목표입니다.
코리아는 발전용 대형 가스터빈을 개발하였고 세계최초 섭씨2000도 이상을 견디는 내열합금을 개발하고 있습니다.
put in dry words.
1) Design the shape for a 5th gen fighter, with the help of LM(Lockheed Martin).
2) Develop avionics indigenously. (integratiion of flight control, mission and weapons)
3) Retreat to a 4++ gen version, leaving the expensive and unexperienced job of in-laying weapons and sensors, for the future.
4) Use the 4++ version as a platform for further development such as EODAS.
5) Position the 4++ version as the workhorse and for replacing aging F-4, F-5 and some of F-16s.
6) Develop MUMT drones (high-end ISR drones) for manned-unmanned teaming with the 4++ version. KF-21 will be the first fighter which is NOT a 5th or higher gen and STILL performs MUMT.
SK(South Korea) is good at sensors (AESA radar, EO and IR). The indigenous EO-IR satellite launched at the Vandenberg SF(Space Force) base in Dec. 2023 is doing the EO-IR job superbly. They say "the target was the top 5th country in terms of EO-IR satellite. But the real performance is much better already. We can improve 10% more." The indigenous SAR(Synthetic Aperture Radar) satellite launched on April. 7th 2024 at Cape Canaveral SF base is also expected to be good. They say "it is one of the best in the world." SK is developing a SAR system for ISR drones with a resoltuion of 15 cm from 240 km. Currently SK's EO-IR drone (the MQ-9-like long endurance model. About 80 percent larger in terms of the body size. About 25 percent heavier with a 30 percent more powerful engine) can read the numbers on a fighter's stabilizer from about 100 km afar.
Target indication by drones and satellites; missile firing by KF-21s flying below the enemy-radar fence and at the stand-off distance. This is the revolutionary thought by the US Air Force, which is being implemented by SK.
7) Using this 4++ version as the platform, develop various kinds of extended range missiles with intelligent seekers, navigation and data link, for bunker busting, stationary ground targets, moving ground/maritime targets including ships, enemy radar suppression, any high-value targets for quick neutraliztion and medium/short range air2air. Some are subsonic; others supersonic(ram jet). The primary purpose of indigenous air-launched missiles are not for money or for national pride. They are for high-end drones. Weapons for drones are strictly forbidden for trade by Missile Technology Control Regime(MTCR). If SK does not develop indigenous ones, there will be only two choices left: give in to China or be totally dependent on the US Air Force. But the US is very reluctant to dispatch its highest-end assets in the peninsula. It is only natural from the US point of view: the US wants to have the safety buffer-play for escallation. And it is equally natural from SK's point of view NOT to fall into the fate of buffer or play.
As long as the above points from 4 to 7 are met, the 4++ version makes more sense than the 5th or higer gen version, since the former is within the range of technology reach and much more affordable. Aftrer all, since SK is one of very few AUTHENTIC blood-bound allies of the US, sharing the existential interest in resiting the expansion of Chinese sphere of influence, the former operates the best-class weapons made by the US. Thanks to the alliance, SK can manage its pace and prioritize the weapons to be developed indigenously.
The US can trust SK when it comes to handling China. Koreans have played a series of life-or-death identity games with the Continent for the last two thousand years (since Han Dynasty), whoever rules China. The modern world has made this from-ancient Korean game much more meaningful and colorful.
with the help of LM(Lockheed Martin)?? haha, kidding me ? LM gave no help to Korea. 바보 아냐? 록히드 마틴이 미쳤다고 한국 KAI를 도와주냐? 너 같으면 경쟁자를 일부러 도와주겠니?
록마가 디자인한건 아님 ㅋㅋ 모든 해외 한국 무기영상에 보이던데 제대로 알고 댓글다는거임? 프로젝트, 설계, 디자인 모두 카이가 주도적으로 했고 록마는 기술고문으로 가끔 조언을 구한정도임
@@jisungpark8952흥분 좀 하지마시고 정정만 딱해주세요 님이 발끈 하고 다려들면 뭐 위축되서 잘 못 말햇어요 예기해준답니까 아니 왜 kf21에기만 나오면 잔뜩 흥분하냐
7:20 South Korea (SK) needs the US (1) if SK does not develop nukes (which will take a year at most, and SK has all kinds of indigenous cruise missiles and ballistics for delivery) and (2)if SK does not want to fall into the sphere of influence of China.
The US needs SK (1) if ithe US needs a country which has an existential interest in resisting China and which happens to be the next-door neighbor of China (it is only 1,000 km from Beijing to Seoul) and (2) if the US needs a country to arm very fast the South East Asian countries, East European countires and the Abraham Accord Arab countries, at a very reasonable cost with good quality NATO-compatible weapons.
According to SIPRI (a renowned Swedish institute), in temrs of the ORDER for weapons, during the period of 2022~2023, SK ranked number 2 (just after the US) far exceeding France, Germany, Russia and UK. South Korea has developed a set of good non-nuke weapons because it has prepared for a total war for the last 70 years, considering the contingency of the intervention by China. In the Korean War, China sent 3 million soldiers.
Another backgound for this 'crazy' arms industry is the fact that the US policy had been (up until several years ago): "Provide arms just enough to defend themselves against North Korea". The US did not want to be provocative toward China. The US has not sold SK Tomahawks, JASSMs, LRASMs, AARGM-ERs and so on. This policy is very similar to that for Taiwan. The only difference is the degree of limit.
KF-21 is not for national pride. SK wants it to be the platform for most destructive air-launched missiles. A hub for high-end airborne drons for ISR and missile0carring, which are currently under development. A suite for Electronic Warfare against Chines anti-air radars, ships and fighters. Maybe SK is one of the few countries which fully understand the meaning of the military thought invented by the US: a networked multi-domain warfare. Now SK is developing a miniaturized, less costly version of the full set of weapons for this revolutionary thought.
KF-21 development is fast thanks to their dedicated proj team and they've broken the development into several stages: Block 1 is just aerial attack and non-stealth, Block 2 is due for 2028 which is Multi-role with ground and naval attack and Block 3 is what they're planning for Stealth + Electronic warfare. Korea wants their KF-21 to be about same level as F-16V with twin engine.
They want it to have the firepower of an F-16 and slightly better than F-16 for low observability and networking with stealth aircraft as a team.
@@stupidburp that is the KF block 1 or maybe to 2.
I know that the chief executive officer at the time of development of the f-22 was Korean. He completed the development and came to Korea to build a small company, which helped a lot in developing fighter jets in Korea. That's why it looks similar to the f-22's. lol After being imprisoned in Cia, USA, I don't know where he is now about 1 year after he is released from prison. Korea already has enough technology. It only takes a little time to implement the technology.. That's why I chose a step-by-step approach..
@@pokjunam2163 KAI and the component manufacturers in Korea licensed 90% of the technology they needed from the USA. The US supported the RoK in this project as well as many others in the past. They have had a productive partnership for decades.
The shaping looks similar to the F-22 because it serves a similar role. It is designed for high speed and large payload with twin engines which results in many similar design features such as the intakes. F-35 style intakes are designed for somewhat slower speeds but save a little bit of weight and complexity. The specific features chosen were deliberate to achieve the design goals. KAI showed good insight in the features chosen and by splitting development into several batches with incremental improvements.
The KC-330 is the name South Korea gave to their versions of what Airbus calls the A330 Multi Role Tanker Transport. Other countries give it a different designation. The USAF had the KC-45, but that got scrapped with Boeing’s intervention.
I am a South Korean. One of the reasons why the deveopment has been quite fast is that there are good models we can learn from: we are operating F-35As. And the twin F-414 engine architecture has been proved by the US Navy. And Lockheed Martin's consultation. LM promised to help with the development when South Korea decided to buy F-35A back in 2013. LM kept the promise. Of course, as to some very important things such as AESA radar, EO,, IR, and EW, LM did not help.
However, it is one thing to define a New Stuff; it is another to learn from good models.
Good for the US that s.korea has the ability to manufacture and maintain advanced weapons on its own on one of the critical front lines.
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Also helps that the KF-21 was designed with help from Lockheed Martin, basing it on the raptor design… plenty of systems still developed in Korea, but did have support for the design
KAI and LM have had partnerships for a long time and this likely helped build enough trust to get deeper access to technology and licensing opportunities.
Yeah, it helps development speed a lot to have already had the experience of the Raptor, behind the development of the Raptoru. (Not that the USA can't do better than it has.)
GREAT AMERICA's big picture for Korea
There are many misunderstandings that there would have been technical support from LM. LM forced the design of the F-16 base.
So Korea had to develop a program for exterior design first. Thanks to that, we were able to develop an automated cutting and assembly system.
This was introduced into FA-50 prior to mass production of KF-21, which lowered manufacturing time and cost.
Rather, LM did not transfer the promised technology in exchange for the introduction of F-35.
@@GaegolMaster That isn't how it happened. I have spoken with the reps personally in Korea. KAI were the primary designers of the FA-50. They leveraged their long experience with building F-16s and paid for consulting from LM just to check their work and verify it.
KAI also received 100% of the promised technology transfer to operate the F-35. Tech transfer is not an IP license however, it is simply access to the tech to operate and maintain it.
KAI also requested IP licensing of F-35 technology and components and 90% of those requests were approved,. The other 10% were too sensitive to share with anyone. A 90% licensing was a huge time saver because only the remaining 10% required extensive research and development and many of the associated features would not be implemented until batch 3 anyways, sometime during the 2030s.
The partnership between KAI and LM has been productive and amicable on both sides.
155 MM Shells capability..surpirses me more.
The ongoing war in Ukraine, S.korea has provided more 155 MM shells than Europe combined through US.
Crazy that a small country is delievering "package democracy" like its big brother US.
RoK arms and aerospace industry is extremely efficient and partners with giants like Lockheed and Boeing for hastened development.
Not having to develop your own engine also helps with the time/cost issue.
They wisely decided to develop the aircraft first and save engine development for a potential future upgrade. F414 is a great engine for them to start with.
I remember times when Hyundai, Samsung and Kia were not a thing . Look at them now .
Hyundai still isn't a thing, and Kia isn't far behind.
@@Mthammere2010 Number 3 car manufacturer in the world and number 5 in US . Poland purchased 1000 K2 Black Panther tanks and 500 self-propelled howitzers by Hyundai . And don't tell me you don't see Hyundai excavators all over the place...Sure it is not a thing...
Hyundai Rotem division. I'd say they're a big deal.
@anatolyex
Poland current Gov is under U$ influenced.
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@@anatolyex Hyundai is also one of the largest ship builders in the world
The framework and design of the KF-21 began development in 2002 by ADD, an affiliated organization of the Korean government, and was released as the C-103 model in 2014, and this form is very similar to the current KF-21. Afterwards, additional development was transferred to KAI, a Korean military company, and advice from LM was obtained in the process of materialization through aerodynamic experiments and advice on more detailed design. The currently released version is Block1.4.5 generation. Block 2, which will be modified in the future, is expected to store four meteor rounds in the internal weapons bay, and IRIST will be buried. Block3 will be ready for its full 5th generation within about 10 years, and I understand that many of the technologies needed for this have currently been developed. However, the 5th generation version will be produced in small quantities. This is because KAI plans to immediately develop a 6th generation fighter based on this. In addition, Korea's Hanwha recently began developing a mid-range turbojet engine targeting 26,000 lbf by 2035, and Doosan also plans to begin engine development targeting this market. Upon completion of engine development, it is expected that domestic engines will be installed starting from Block 3. In addition, the developer expressed strong confidence in developing the KF-21N as a fighter for medium-sized aircraft carriers to be built by Korea.
South Korea has been experiencing excessive power abuse by U.S. defense contractors. Over the past few decades, the korea industry has steadily accumulated defense technology as it progressed. Ironically, Russia, not the U.S. or its Western allies, has provided Korea with an opportunity to dramatically develop defense technology. As the Soviet Union collapsed in the past, Russia had to succeed to a loan that Korea had lent to the Soviet Union and pay its debts with various new Russian weapons. What surprised Korea at the time was that Russia sent Korea the latest tanks ,helicopter and rockets in the same way they were using them. They usually sent their high-tech equipment after they had been removed, but because the internal situation in Russia was confusing at the time, they sent all of them to Korea as they used it. So Korea acquired cutting-edge technology by disassembling and counter-engineering all of Russia's advanced weapons. And Korea began designing and manufacturing the first weapons that combined the advantages of American weapons with technology gained from Russian weapons. Lockheed Martin supported aircraft design when developing the T50, but exports of the T50 to foreign countries were limited by the U.S. and Western countries for that reason. As a result, KF21 succeeded in designing and developing its own version to escape U.S. interference. The last constraint is that the engines are made in the U.S., but Korea is developing its own engines to overcome them. Korea already has the capability to develop gas turbines for ships and is using them to develop engines that can fit in the KF21. Lockheed Martin has no stake in KF21.
Historically, the attitudes of Koreans are clear past and present. If someone doesn't touch them, they won't invade their neighbor. But once someone invades them, they make the invaders pay the price. Koreans hate to invade, but they are making military preparations with the idea that once a neighbor counrty invades, they will all die with the enemy country
You are too dramatic and eggagerating. A Typical Korean drama persona. Just be humble. The US is the US. They are doing their own thing. Maybe they have their won red tapes. You are not the center of the world and the world does not revolves around to just harm you or focus on you.
한국인들은 자신을 과대평가하는 경향이 있고, 자신들이 일본에 근접하고있다고 착각하지만, 선진국에선 한국을 스페인, 터키 수준으로 봅니다. 베트남 빈페스트가 현대차를 따라잡겠다고 할때, 아마 현대차는 경계는 하겠지만 두려워하진 않을 겁니다. 아직도 한국의 모든 산업분야에서 설계, 감리, 특허, 생산설비, 시험/인증은 선진국에 절대적으로 의존하는게 현실이고, 한국은 을취급 무시당함에 발끈할게 아니라, 자신을 객관적으로 볼필요가 있다고 봅니다.
@@scottcello418 As a Korean, I feel fortunate that other countries underestimate our country. This is because it is more advantageous for us not to take things as threatening or serious as we work hard to reach the top. And unlike our neighboring countries, we do not oversell ourselves. It is historically true and is based on a humility that is deeply embedded in our genes.
@@scottcello418 수십년전부터 자신을 늘 객관적으로 봐왔다. 자기를 되돌아보며 기술을 축적해나갔고 지금에서는 그 성과들을 보고있는것이다. 너가 어느나라 사람인지는 모르겠지만(번역체 다 티난다) 너 본인의 삐뚤어진 마인드부터 되돌아 보길 바란다. 한국인 만큼 자기자신을 객관적으로 보는 나라는 없을것이다.
@@scottcello418계속 여기저기 댓글에서 이상한 댓글로 한국인인척 하면서 선동을 하던데 일본 혐한인가? 너가 한국인이 아니리는건 확실한거같다.
They are building a proven technology vs the F‐22/35 which were built in what was basically unknown. And Korea was most definitely helped by US aerospace companies.
Woohoo! I did nearly all of the qualification testing on the receptacle for the KF-21.
thanks for your conern for KF-21 as a Korean.
Compare to Korea's USD 45B national defense expenditures 2024, Indonesia's 20% is not for money. it's just only 1.3B.
To successfully finish KF-21 project Korea thought economies of scale is essentessential. So Indonesia joined the project with 50 fighters export portion.
simply protion of indonesia is a piece of cake. but getting on Korean nerves because of no honesty, genuineness, truthfulness and sincerity.
Until now the project is on schedule without big problem. so some countries(they are already Korea military/commercial product users) focus on and want to join..
KF-21 will replace old F-4 and F-5. not FA-50 and will upgrade internal weapon bay, ai mum-t, made in korea engine.
it will support F-35 and F-15K just like middle role f-16.
Someone said Lockheed Martin is fully involved partner KF-21project so they designed and tested together.
that's absolutely wrong.. LM's acts as a project observer so there is no share ratio and any kind of rights.
Except engine majer component parts AESA rader, IRST, EO-TGP, EW suits and Fight control system made in Korea.
For your reference:
Mae in Korean means a hawk.
Boramae is a young hunting hawk trained as such since a fledgling.
Higher op capability and less than 50 % less on operation cost
What you missed is the potential market, the KF-21 will reportedly have the same $65 million price point as the SU-35, MiG-35, Saab Gripen E, F-16 Block 70, though stealthier, and can loose anything a Gripen, or the more expensive and less stealthy Rafael, Eurofighter, Mitsubishi F-2, F/A-18E, ... can.
Poland is apparently interested in a few dozen to replace its donated MiG-29. If enough bodies sign up, there will be monies for later blocks, and a successor.
The KF-21 isn't due for FOC until 2028 later.
"started in 2015" ... great for Korea but also once again showing how Europe has abandonned any hope of designing modern fighters or even if they try it will end up in a failed collabroation because a country want all the contracts or it will be stuck in bureaucracy hell.
Bollox 😂
@@Bob10009I mean it’s literally happening right now. The European governments can’t commit to anything. We have all these 6th gen programmes that have achieved almost nothing in 5+ years other than photo ops and joint statements. It’s all a political game rather than an actual effort to produce something
@@Formula1st bullshit 🤦🏻♂️
@@Bob10009 nothing I said was an opinion, it’s all well documented facts
Form follows function. The KF-21 is a good looking plane and it really resembles the F-22. A lot of the development today is done on computers and durring prototyping. The basic information about materials and equipment is far more advanced than back in the day when the F-22 and F-35 were built.
My assumption would be that these are what I'd call 75% aircraft. From sensors to performance to durability, they will perform pretty well but not on the level of the US models they copy. But they will be much cheaper to manufacture and perform well enough against expected adversaries.
Something that went from design to flightline that fast...i sense a lot of TDs coming
FYI: Indonesia owes one trillion South Korean WON (not USD), which with around Won 1345:1 USD, is somewhere around $800 million. The entire decade long programme costs are still under $9 bn, or about the number of beer tokens spent developing the smart cup holders for the future F-35 Block 4. 😊
They wanna even slash the amount and put off the payment, which they hope to make in kind.
I love baby Raptor❤❤❤
That is one big baby.
I know that the chief executive officer at the time of development of the f-22 was Korean. He completed the development and came to Korea to build a small company, which helped a lot in developing fighter jets in Korea. That's why it looks similar to the f-22's. lol After being imprisoned in Cia, USA, I don't know where he is now about 1 year after he is released from prison. Korea already has enough technology. It only takes a little time to implement the technology.. That's why I chose a step-by-step approach..
Great Channel 👍
KF-21 would probably be a solid platform for the Air National Guard …
대한민국 에어버스 공중 급유기 4기 있어요 그리고 공중 급유기 구매 2차 준비중입니다 🎉
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*not a trillion dollars, a trillion won....which is like US $750M
Still a lot but nothing close to trillion bucks
Yeah the total development costs were just a few billion USD which is amazingly cheap for the capabilities achieved.
@@stupidburp 사실 aesa 등 첨단 기술들은 국가 연구소 add에서 2000년대부터 삼성과 협력하여 개발하였다. 핵심기술 이전거부 이후부터 스나이핑 포드 같은것들
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90% of technology transfer license requests were approved. That saved time and money for South Korea by focusing development on only the remaining 10%. This has been a successful partnership model for decades for many different projects.
@@stupidburp Surprisingly, SK developed KF21 and implemented a localization rate of 65%. Of course, engines, injection seats, landing gear etc… Even with the help and parts of the U.S., U.K., and Italy, the localization rate of 65% is still amazing. Even if SK has the capability to implement 100% in the future, they won't. It's inefficient for them, and they don't have to turn a blind eye to an already well-equipped industrial chain. They will constantly cooperate with other countries as long as it doesn't affect exports.
As a Turkish guy, I LMAO whenever these guys go like 3:03 😆😆
It amazes me how the Raptor still dominates all fighter jets in existence and even future fighter aircraft of most nations
Fighter aircraft “generations” in my opinion should be based around their engines. Yf-23, F-22, and F-35 all incorporated into rely new engine designs.
The U.S. could have had the MRTT tanker ,but boeing said otherwise and look at us now.
I heard South Korea is going to buy more F-35 to plus also build a KX 21
a great video
Not a trillion dollars. Trillion won, which works out to be about a billion dollars. The whole project was to cost about 7 billion dollars and Indonesia was going to provide 20% of the cost, but they only paid about 3% so far but wants all the technology that went into building this plane while providing no technology of their own. So South Korea will be within their legal right to kick Indonesia out of the project for breach of contract.
KF21은 3단계의 계발 과정을 거칩니다. 대한민국은 이제 첫단계를 마쳤고(F35를 지원 하고 오래된 F5전투기들을 대체하는 것이 목표입니다.)
2번째 단계는 지금보다 많은 부품을 국산화하고(스스로 만들지 못하면 전시에 엄청난 곤란을 격을수 있는것을 한국은 뼈저리게 경험 했습니다.) 공대지 무장과 드론컨트롤 능력을 부여할 계획이며
, 그리고 3번째 단계가 5세대 전투기를 목표로 개발이 진행됩니다(그렇기에 처음부터 스텔스 형상을 만들어 놓은 이유 입니다.)
우리 한국인들은 이 프로잭트 를 현실적이고 겸손하게 해야 한다고 생각합니다, 그래서 이 3단계 방식이 가장 합리적이고 안전하며 현실적이라고 생각하고 그렇게 진행하고 있습니다.
이.프로잭트는 한국의 생존을 결정짓는 중요한 프로잭트입니다. 누구에게 자랑할 이유도,필요도 없는 것 이기에 결코 서두르지 않습니다.
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U. S. Companies changing way too much for their AC
It’s flying, but are all of the combat systems operational? That’s usually what drives the tail on the development to production time, isn’t it? Wasn’t that the issue with the F 35?
No
IRIST and meteor missiles have been tested on the prototypes, yes. Theres a reason that full scale development will start very soon.
Systems and weapons integration is happening quickly because it is building on existing proven technologies under license. China got F-35 tech by stealing it. South Korea got F-35 tech by paying for it and got the huge benefit of contracted support and consulting along with it.
What about the KF21 Meteor brvaam Real Fire on AUV
If they can build a fighter jet that quickly imagine how quickly they build a nuke to compete with the north...
They have already been building conventional strike platforms and weapons that could be leveraged for a nuclear weapons program. Feasibility but declining to take the last step so far is a strategic decision.
Carries an equivalent weapons load as an F-16 with technology derived from the F-35. Going to be a formidable low observable firepower focused complement to the fully stealthy F-35.
Part of the reason why Korea was able to develop Boramae so quickly was because they asked the USA for technology licensing and 90% of that was approved. Thus they only had to develop the remaining 10% from scratch. They were able to get permission to build local derivative components from the suppliers for the F-35.
They also hastened the development process by setting achievable goals using existing resources and accepting a stealth level that is only equivalent to a beast mode F-35 with external weapons, skipping the internal bay and the expensive exotic materials and high maintenance of fully stealthy fighters. Since South Korea already operates the F-35 they didn’t need to recreate it. Instead they focused on a complementary aircraft with somewhat lower cost and lower maintenance to eventually replace all of their F-5 and F-16 and become the bulk of their fighter force.
@@stupidburp 10%라구요? 당신은 과장이 심하네요. 현재 KF21의 국산화비율은 76%입니다. 물론 록키드마틴의 협력이 있었던것은 사실이지만. 대부분의 부품은 이미 한국이 자체개발해논것들이 있었고. 특히나 기술접근 난이도가 가장높은 5대 핵심기술은 F35구매시 맺은 계약과 달리 미국정부로부터 거부당했습니다. 이미 한국정부의 국책과제로 항공기부품들이 대부분 개발중이었기때문에. 한국은 기존계획을틀어 대부분의 부품을 자체개발하는쪽으로 방항을 선회했습니다. 만들기도 전에 약속을 지키지 않는데 미국에 의존했다가는 추후개발될 업그레이드나 각종 개발프로그램 혹은 무장계획에 큰 지장이 될것이 분명했으니까요. 현재운행중인 F15K등에도 한국이 자체개발한 공대지 미사일을 통합하는시도 조차 차단해온 미국이었기에.. 한국의 미사일기술에 걸맞지 않게 공대공 미사일도 KF21에 와서야 만들고있습니다. 그래서 한국은 최종적 걸림돌인 26000급 전투기 터보제트엔진을 개발중에있습니다. 한국전쟁에서 사망한 미군병사의 숫자가 3만명이 넘습니다. 그들의 숭고한 희생과 미국의 은혜를 모르는바 아닙니다. 그러나 한국의 자주국방 증강에 시간이 소요되는건 한국이 돈이 없어서도 기술이 없어서도 아닌. 미국이 지역전략의 일환으로 한국의 군사적 팽창을 억눌러온 부분도 분명히 알고있습니다.
맥아더장군과 한국에 파병된 미군들의 숭고함과 희생정신을 조금도 더럽히고 싶지않습니다. 한국역시 미국이 어려움에 처한다면 달려가 도울것입니다. 그러나 미국의 지역 패권주의에 희생되긴 싫어요.
북한은 미국에도달하는 ICBM 핵탄두가 수십기에 달합니다. 기술수준 여부를 떠나 한국이 핵공격을 당하면 과연 미국이 한국을 위해서 미국본토에 떨어질 수십기의 ICBM을 각오하면서 까지 핵보복을 해줄지에대한 부정적 판단은 당연하다고봅니다. 한국은 이미 세계군사력 5위권의 군사대국입니다.
이미 일본 프랑스를 넘어섰어요. 그리고 마음만 먹으면 6개월내에 핵무장을 할수가있습니다. 그런데도 한국은 미국과의 약속에 묶여 핵무장을 안하고있습니다. 이미 미국은 북한을 핵무장국가로 인정하고있습니다. 그럼 한반도의 비핵화 약속은 거짓이된것이고. 한국도 핵무장해야한다는것이 한국 국민의 절대적 입장입니다. 그리고 이건 수년내에 현실이 될것입니다. 왜냐면 한국은 민주주의 국가니까요. 결국 국민의 뜻대로 되야하니까요. 한국은 휴전중인국가에요. 아직 전쟁중이라는 말입니다. 중국은 대만을 침공하려하고 북한은 핵무기를 고도화하고있고. 러시아도 핵무기를 갖고 전쟁에 날뛰고있습니다. 이게한국 인접국들입니다. 당신이 미국인이고 한국을 우방이라고 진심으로 여긴다면 지도를 열고 한국위치를보세요.
그럼에도 한국은 미국과 영원한 친구이자 형제에요. 그건 변할수없습니다. 그러나 단지 미국은 변해버린 국제 균형과 환경속에 극우방의 군사전략에 큰변화를 줘야합니다.
무슨 개소리를.. add때문에 개발빨리한거임. Aesa레이더 비롯 핵심기술은 2000년부터 add에서 연구에 들어갔고 개발성공하니까 2015에 프로젝트가 시작된거고 ㅋㅋ
@@user-nl1we8mp2q Korea has done plenty of research towards the project but the resources used were small compared to the typical costs for a stealth fighter program. This was efficient use of resources and leveraging partnerships that allowed this cost and time savings. Certainly there are numerous components built in Korea.
This is something to be proud of. Both for the accomplishments and for the wise and prudent use of good relationships with global partners.
The AESA radar in particular was largely a project of the government Agency for Defense Development and Hanwha Systems. But they also did not shy away from getting help from Elta of Israel for hardware testing and Saab of Sweden for technical advice to LIG Nex1 on software.
The aircraft was not developed in a vacuum isolated from the world but with the aid of partners and that doesn't take anything away from Korea's innovation and project management - on the contrary it adds to it by demonstration of professionalism and pragmatism. Where other projects got lost in nationalism, waste, and delays Korea quickly found a path to success.
KC 30 is the Airbus 330 converted
어떤 공동 개발자가 "너네가 이걸 해낼줄 몰랐어?"(kai사장이 실제로 록마 관계자로부터 들었다고 한 말) 라 하나요? 록히드마틴은 kf21에서 자문 역할이었습니다
안녕. 여기는 한국이야. KF21에는 내부무기공간을 이미 확보했고. 무기베이의 내부화개발을 진행중이야.
그리고 각종 센서들의 내부화개발도 진행중이야. 스텔스 도료는 이미 개발완료했고. 두개의 기업집단이 항공기엔진을 자체개발하고있고 2030년대 중반까지 개발완료일정이야. 그러나 한국정부는 서두르지않아. 왜냐면 한국은 전투기 개발경험이 작기때문에 대량생산과 운행상에 겪게될 문제점에대한 극복데이터가 부족하기때문야. 이미 기술개발은 5세대 스텔스전투기를 넘어. 전투드론과 멈티들과의 통합시스템을 개발하고있고 곧 완성된다고 KAI에서 발표하고있어. 2030년에는 KF21이 몆개의 전투드론이나 멈티와함께 전투데이터를 쌓아나가고있는 모습을보게될거야.
알아두었으면해. 한국기업들은 계획을 절대 늦추지 않아. 더 빠르면 빠르지.😂😂😂😂
인도네시아는 약속을 지키지 않아. 신뢰할수없고. 최근에는 기술유출하려다가 적발된사건이 터졌어.
한국정부는 인도네시아를 협력국에서 제외시킬지를 최종판단중이야.
사실상 기술적인 부분에서 인도네시아의 영향력은 전혀없으니 언제든 제외시켜야하지만. 초도생산분에대한 압박이 한국정부의 판단에 방해가된다
The Republic of Korea has made impressive progress with Boramae in a short time. In my opinion Indonesia should be replaced with India as a partner. But perhaps keep Indonesia as a customer since they have already gained access to the data. It depends on how they react to the data leak. If they can provide some assurances that better security measures are being implemented then perhaps they can stay in the program.
한국인입니다
Kf21은 4.5세대로 분류됩니다
내부무장창은 한국이 기술이 없어서라기 보다는 미국이 견제하기 때문에 초기에는 반매립형 무장을 유지했어요 블록1 블록2 블록3에서는 내부무장창으로 변경될겁니다
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Regarding Indonesian payment, it is 1 trillion WON, not USD. So it would be some thing like $1 billion US dollars. - fyi
"The large country of Turkey"... I sense an irony! 😁
한국인들은 일주일에 7일을 근무한다, 매일 아침9시부터 밤12시까지 근무하며, 심지어 새벽까지 야근하고 회사에서 잠을자기도한다. 이것을 몇년동안이나 반복한다. 한국에서는 대부분의 무기들을 이렇게 개발하고있다. 엔지니어의 월급은 미국등 선진국의 1/4 수준밖에 안되지만 일은 2-3배 많이한다.
We appreciate the hard work of our South Korean allies.
You are talking about Koreans upto 2000. And Americans in the Sicilicon Valley (now in Texas too?) literally are working to death. They say: "CEOs in those areas lose three things: wife, health and life".
South Korea's trajectory of development stands out as an exceptional case, even among nations that have received significant support from the United States. This remarkable achievement is a source of great admiration for Americans, who recognize the extraordinary efforts and sacrifices made by the Korean people. The unwavering dedication and work ethic of Koreans, often exemplified by their willingness to put in long hours, are truly commendable.
Typically, harder being first through the door easier for others to follow.
For sure. That is very true.
울 뱅기..맘마 먹는것도 이뿌네
개인적인 생각이지만 KF21-블록3는 굳이 스텔스 5세대를 선택하지 않을것 같다. 이유는 F35가 한국 공군에서 자기 역활을 충분히 하고 있기 때문이다.
나는 미래에 KF21은 블록1, 블록2에 이어 블록3가 아니라 블록2-1과 블록2-2로 분류되어 2-1은 mum-t 2-2는 해군용으로 연구된 뒤 F414엔진의 국산화 목표인 2035년에 맞춰 6세대? 스텔스+MUM-T로 바로 도전할것 같다.
Interesting opinion
Not sure how supportive we’ve been with Turkey or what there access to stealth technology or knowledge prior to the KAAN development. But if the tech is there and they had it, With the support, lack of delays, it’s quite possible for them to pump out a 5th gen fighter. Now we don’t have the details on it or it’s combat capability I don’t think they have gotten that far. They still have quite a mountain to climb with testing and finalizing operational fighters. It does show with lack of bureaucracy, proper funding, and other lack of constraints that cool things can be produced under a limited timeframe. I’ll reference as an example the PBR boats of the Vietnam war. It’s no exactly similar too this but in short they took an existing chassis boat and modified it quite heavily and fitted new components too it. It pretty much was a brand new boat (almost), despite all that it was ready within a week. Pretty incredible stuff. I think will possibly see results in the future like the KAAN program with other countries. They don’t seem to have the political BS we have and they are smaller and with specific needs. Most countries looking for 5th gen have much smaller scale military’s with not as much money but alot more technological advantages compared to say 50 or even 20 years ago. Most these “5th gen” fighters like J20 and the Korean one (I forgot the name), and KAAN. Just like the Chinese ripping off American military tech, all these new jets look very similar to the F22. Granted that maybe how stealth tech works (not an expert) but it’s obvious all these guys studied already made stuff.
KAAN leveraged lessons learned from previous F-16 local production and the canceled F-35 local component production which was primarily the center fuselage. The components for KAAN such as the engines are largely drawn from European sources.
Hay,Kann,step forward one by one,please ..When you say yourself as 5th generation from the beginning,everyone thinks you are a swindler.
한국은 미국과 다르게 add라는 국가 운영 방산연구소가 있고, 이게 개발기간 차이점의 주된 원인이라 생각합니다. 사실 aesa 레이더를 비롯한 핵심 기술은 개발을 선언한 2001년부터 add가 삼성 등의 대기업과 협력하여 연구에 들어갔고 핵심기술이 얻어졌기때문에 빠른양산이 가능하다고 판단해 2015년에 눈에 보이는 프로젝트에 들어간 것입니다.
When critical proven technologies can be secured commercially (examples: engines and assistance from Lockheed Martin), your programs will go much smoother. Similar to the B-21 Raider program,. The US has 6 x B21 Raiders like the KF-21. NGAD fighter will be slow due to the Adaptive cycle engine development. Next, this is not a 5th gen. fighter. It's low observable, Gen. 4.5. It doesn't super cruise and definitely does not have internal storage for air to air missiles.
I don't get the point of not having internal weapons bays. It defeats the purpose of having stealth if you're only stealthy when the weapons are deployed and you're heading back to base.
The point of external storage is to maximize available firepower because their primary threats are likely to send swarms of aircraft and drones in large numbers to try to overwhelm them in a short period of time. They need to take care of more targets than internal storage can service. With this in mind, the level of stealth only needs to be the maximum feasible with external storage, or in other words the equivalent to F-35 in beast mode. They also have F-35 but keep them in fully stealthy configuration. This way they can keep lower cost and lower maintenance Boramae as the more numerous portion of their force and keep their F-35 for use only in missions where that stealth is essential. It s F-16 equivalent firepower with stealth, sensors, and networking capabilities in between F-16 and F-35.
@@stupidburp stealth is a day 1-2 mission set for a war. Thats when air defense is wiped out. You absolutely need stealth for that. After that is achieved you need workhorse 4th gen fighters like the f-15 to do CAP and air strikes. F-35 beast mode is only used after enemy radar sites are destroyed anyway and its not even the best asset for that mission set.
@@kdaltex true for now but in a few years, you will have medium sized drones shooting air to air missiles. Hard to clean up that completely
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KF-21 is the workhorse. They have F-35 for day 1 deep strikes.
"government bloat and waste."
GM
if no indonesian money
no problem with this program
most of power from s.korea manufacturing
is micro chip they build 3nano micro chip and they buid everything chip, phone, ship, tank, car
i said no problem
a north korean 5th gen will be the size of a B-52, in order to fit all the vacuum tube tech on board
Remember the Mig-25 that flew to Japan and was returned in cardboard boxes? USAF statements derided its vacumm tube electronics, Russia protested and an apology was issued stating the plane was EMP proof. Only good thing they could think of.
@kineticdeath I don't know if you have a problem with understanding geography but there is a difference between North Korea and South Korea.
I realized you guys are not speaking linguistically very well.
It doesnt matter . KF-21 is a 4.5 generation aircraft . AMCA doesnt even excist . KAAN 5 generation but still in development
한국 주변에는 러시아, 중국, 북한, 일본이 있습니다. 역사적으로 중국과 일본은 여러차례 한반도에 침략을 한 바 있습니다. 북한과 중국은 현시점에서 직접적이고 실제적인 위협입니다. 한국전쟁 이후 가난한 상태에서도 한국은 국방비와 교육비, 그리고 인프라 구축에 막대한 예산을 써 왔습니다. 덕분에 오랜 세월 국민들은 극단적인 절약을 해야 했지요. 한국인들에게 국방과 첨단무기 개발은 산업발전과 수출을 위해서가 아니라 생존을 위한 것입니다. 한국군의 기본적인 국가 방어 전략은 중국과 러시아 같은 큰 나라가 우리를 침략해 올 경우, 전쟁에서 이기는게 아니라 같이 죽자는 것입니다. 이른바 고슴도치 전략이지요. KF21은 우수한 첨단 전투기가 될 것입니다. 많은 관심과 응원 부탁드립니다.
North Korea might get Sukhois from Russia....
Boramae, Korean for "Firefox."
No. Boramae is a term used to call a falcon domesticated for hunting. And in Korea, it is also used as a nickname for the Air Force.
@alexx1108 I understand. I was making a reference to the 80's movie since it's an advanced aircraft.
친구들.너희들은 한가지 잊고있는게있다.
5세대 전투기는 추적해오는 유도미사일에대한 회피기동에 그전세대 전투기보다 확실한 우위에 있어야한다. 그러려면 엔진 배출구에 추력편향노즐이 필수요소다. 이는 근접교전시에도 적의 후방을 잡는데에 매우유리한 요소다. 또 엔진에서 뿜어져나오는 열은 스텔스성능의 반감요소이기에 노출형 추력편향노즐은 5세대 전투기에 필수요소다.
KF21의 후미에는 추력편향노즐을 위한 공간이 엔진 배출구 양쪽에 분명히 공간을 갖고있다. 그리고 3세대 KF21을 위해 현재 한국의 방산기업이 개발중이다.
또한 엔진 공기흡입구 역시 Z자 형태의 설계로 레이다 피탐설계 적용이 되어있다. 스텔스 기능의 개발은 많은 개발과 시행착오를 요구한다. 아주 어려운 도전이지만 KF21은 성공하게될것이다 😂😂😂
last time i heard those kf-21 didnt have internal compartment for misile so they need to put the misile outside and making the stealth useless i hope its not true
It is intentional and with good reason. They face the huge numbers of China and Russia next door plus their main adversary of North Korea and cannot carry enough missiles internally to shoot down a large scale incoming force. But the primary adversary has mostly ancient aircraft that are overmatched even by existing F-16s. Thus they can expect to face huge numbers of targets but of lower capabilities. That places a greater priority on firepower than stealth. South Korea also has F-35s for those missions which require deep stealth with internal weapons. The reduced stealth requirements for Boramae reduces operational costs, speeds up development time, and reduces maintenance time for sustaining stealth capabilities. They complement the F-35 well as a team.
They have internal weapons bays.
They can do “stealth” missions… but not nearly as well as an F-35 can.
However … for all the reasons given above, it is expected that they will fly in combat most often with external stores.
ROKAF has F-35 if they need full stealth capability.
@@stupidburp man turkey does it better theres no excuse to not have weapon bay in the middle of the aircraft thats like the basic thing to have as stealth planes
They have space allocated for an internal bay and might get one in the future. But for now that internal volume can be used for other things such as extra fuel or electronics. Passing on it in batch 1 greatly reduced the development and testing time, allowing full production to begin in 2026. They also have a greater need for firepower than stealth in their particular situation and also have some fully stealthy fighters already. Thus unlike some other countries that don’t have access to the F-35, South Korea is in no hurry to develop an internal bay for their own fighter.
@@stupidburp still why develop it with no internal bay in the first place ?? its like making mistake on purpose wasting time and money to fix it, so dumb
you know why koreans can do such a fast progress? because most of the asians can accept much more overtime working
for example, the newly taiwanese IDF submarine is a fast progressor because they do 3 shift a day on the site
it is tough but Taiwanese have no choice because they are facing threats from PLA
That’s a pretty simpleton answer…dumb
Do you think that could be a reason for Taiwan's Population growth and age structure. I mean, it's really really bad in this regards.
China, being not much better, could just wait a few decades...
한국 잠수함 개발인원이 대거 대만으로 정보를 팔러 갔다
A Trillion dollars IS the issue, there doesn't seem to be any numbers of air frames ordered, so is it any cheaper than ours, maybe not.
Our way may not be the best way. We need to put our foot down on these contractors. Their model is to offer a dollar amount and then immediately after getting the contract, come back for more money, then they announce a delay and again, an increased dollar amount. It's so predictable and they use their lobbyists to accomplish the buying off on the military and Congress.
It's a trillion won, not USD. It amounts to $750M USD
They have 120 Boramae on order for the first batch, with plans to order a second and perhaps a third batch of similar sizes.
Batch 1 will replace F4 and F5 that are being retired and perhaps some of the oldest F-16s. Batch 2 will likely replace the rest of the F-16s. Batch 3 could possibly replace the F-15s, along with some additional F-35s. That would leave only F-35 and KF-21 Boramae for their fighter forces.
Recent news suggests that batch 1 might just be used for initial operating capability (IOC) configuration for pilot training and working out any issues with a smaller volume order. This could mean a larger portion of the total order will be in batch 2 full operational capability (FOC) configuration. A batch 3 fully stealthy configuration option remains a high possibility.
It's a 4++ so kinda like a superhornet. Sure the progress is impressive, but the goal isn't.
More like a 5-. Stealthy shaping and F-35 derived avionics. Built for but not with an internal bay and gap fillers to bring it to fully stealthy level. Scheduled as an option for the 3rd production batch.
The USA should as Elon musk to develop some jets. SpaceX rockets seem to be doing ok.
KF-21 is a baby Raptor.😋
But It will not be detected by radar if it is made from plastic of CFRP's T1200.
CFRP's T1200 is 50 dollars per 1kg, I'm looking forward to the technology of $10 per 1kg.
If you make a warship with this, It's not detected by radar at all.
government bloat and waste - USAF procurement is bad, but the US Navy is a nightmare - look up the Littoral combat ship program - a total shit show with two types of useless ships that WE ARE STILL BUYING - pork barrel politics at their worst
This is not even a US video, it's Korean warplane, LCS is actually doing quite good in South China Sea right now.
Do South Koreans need the U.S. as much as before? I as a Korean would say 'absolutely', and the majority of Koreans would agree. S. Korea is still a developing country, and thus has a long way to go. Without aid/supports from the U.S., S. Korea wouldn't have been where it is now.
You're not Korean. I can assure that.
Lockheed Martin is just a publicist. Do you think the U.S. will transfer its technology to other countries? You are not Korean
The United States helped Korea recover from Japan's loss in World War II and also helped Korea during the Korean War.
The generation that directly experienced the war is now almost gone, but many Koreans still keep gratitude to the United States in their hearts because we learn to be grateful for the United States through education at school.
Although Korea's fighter jet technology is still very old technology from the United States' perspective, it will pose a significant threat to our enemies.
Korea is making hard progress today to become a country that has the ability to return the favor to the United States, although we do not know when that will happen.
학교 교육을 통해 미국에 대해 감사하는 법을 배우기 때문입니다.? No
미국에게 감사하는 법을 배우진 않습니다. 6.25전쟁에 관한 교육을 받고 UN국들의 참전 교육을 받아서 고마움을 스스로 느끼는거지 강요하진 않습니다.
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네, 참전용사분들의 희생을 배우니 인간이라면 자연스럽게 감사하게 되죠.
All this hate on my country 🇹🇷🇹🇷 lmao they hate us cause they ain’t us! Nah but hopefully our jets are awesome and you guys like them as well, that’ll be cool. My dad worked for TAI in the 90’s and helped build f16’s for the Turkish Airforce 🇹🇷🇺🇸💪🏼🫡
What hate?
@@CWLemoine just breaking balls brother I laugh @ the jokes about our massive country 😁
That's just because half the country got triggered because Gonky called it a small country a few videos back. Now it's a running joke.
@@CWLemoine I know 😂 you gotta excuse my people we’re just passionate lmao. I watch all the videos man! Especially as a truck driver and a fan of aviation; you guys are tremendous.
@@CWLemoine
Are you guys avoiding discussing the Indian Tejas crash ...
🤔
왜 KF-21 명칭을 KF-23이나 KF-36으로 안 한 줄 아냐?
감히 미국형 전투기 네이밍보다 앞서면 미국형한테 존나 쳐맞을까봐.
서열은 존재해
KF-21은 KF-X의 고유명칭이다. 이 명칭은 ‘21세기 첨단 항공 ‘21세기 한반도를 수호할 전투기’라는 뜻을 담고 있다.
중국은 미국에 신나게 처맞고 있지
The KAI KF-21 seems like a 4th Gen fighter that's just cosplaying at being a 5th Gen stealth fighter. The fact this aircraft looks like a stealth fighter, but needs to carry all its weapons externally, makes this aircraft no better than a Super Hornet, and maybe a bit worse since the F/A-18E/F was developed by a company with many decades of experience building combat aircraft. Lockheed Martin did help engineer the KF-21 Boramae, but Boeing/McDonnell-Douglas directly produces the Super Hornet.
The Super Hornet costs $55.7 million, while estimates for the KF-21 range from $68 million to over $90 million each. The F-35A has reached a unit cost of Under $80 million, and the F-15EX is around $90 million making me wonder if Korea hasn't chosen to build a more expensive, and less capable aircraft than it could buy from the US.
Fighter aircraft are calculated based on program cost, parts and upgrade costs, and operational maintenance costs. The price per unit is meaningless.
If you have a domestically produced fighter jet, you can develop air-to-air, air-to-ground, and air-to-ship missiles, so the price of armament becomes cheaper.
Therefore, all countries are doing their best to develop domestic fighter jets.
Adding all this up, if you maintain one fighter for 10 years, it becomes ~ 3 times more than the unit cost.
In other words, if you add everything up, the unit cost of the fighter is about 3 to 4 times the unit cost. Domestic products are half of the price here.
@@lifeextension9217 Interesting economics that I don't think necessarily check out, or fewer countries would be buying the F-16 and the JAS-39.
Japan has insisted on co-producing the fighters it buys from the US, The Mitubishi F2 is basically a modified F-16, and the co-produced F-35A has a much higher unit cost than those sold to other partner countries.
The problem with the KF-21 and TAI Haan, is small production numbers lead to much higher unit costs. This is the main reason the F-22 Raptor had such high costs, because the development costs were spread out over less than 190 aircraft. The long term maintenance/operating cost can also be very higher because spare parts are also being produced in small quantities. By comparison, the F-16 is so cost-effective because more than 4700 aircraft have been produced, and spare parts are plentiful. Also, upgrades and life extension programs are also profitable to develop since the market is so strong.
It is a bit better than a Super Hornet. The components are largely derived from F-35 components under license. It is not meant to copy the F-35 though but to complement it with greater firepower, lower operating costs, and reduced maintenance. South Korea already has access to and operates the F-35 and are happy with it. They are intended to work as a team, much like the USN operates F-35 and SH as a team with different capabilities that complement each other.
KF-21 development will happen in 3 phases. Block 3, the last one, will include developing internal weapons bay like F35, F22. The project management decided to integrate internal weapons bay in the last block to reduce project risk.
S. Korea doesn't claim the KF-21 is 5th gen or stealth. KF-21 is 4.5 gen