Su-57 (Escorted by Su-35s) Strikes Targets in Ukraine (And Misses)
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What did they use to escort those Su-35s? Mig-21s?
An-2s
Yes and the MiG-21s were escorted by Russia's latest 6th generation aircraft: the deadly B1-RD.
Po-2s.
@@Alte.Kameraden I think that's what they used to escort the Mig-21s. But what did they use to escort the Po-2s?
Lol
Wonder how many Russian air defense guys were told to take the day off to avoid more friendly fire?
None, they were busy targeting their own AWACS...
@@r4dio4ctiv3man9 I renember when russians joked that to protect their planes against US made air defenses they used a transponder that readed "Im not ain Airbus" .. i guess now NATO jets would use a transponder that reads "Im not an A-50"
Well, they did shoot down the Malaysian airlines flight over Ukraine
@@kentl7228no proof, no honey ))
@@dimon5891 International tribunal proved it. Russia not cooperating proved a lot. Panicked calls were intercepted and recorded that prove it. Russia supplied the systems and one of them did the job by stupid mistake. Russia have this history, like shooting down the Korean airlines flight.
I've escorted F-117 in wartime and B-2 in peacetime. Common sense dictates that we're not going to be in fingertip. I don't know how the Russians do it but escorting stealth packages is a thing that happens.
Thank you for the context. That part was a little baffling as an outsider.
What do you mean by Escort? I know the F-117 had E-6E's "escorting" with Jammers and HARM's, or had escorts towards a mission area, but are you telling me you flew as escort through the F-117 combat mission? Makes no sense.
@@KjetilBalstad That's right, Call him out on it! Tell'em LOL
@@KjetilBalstadmakes sense to me. Gives you the option of evading the site, trusting the stealth capabilities or blasting the crap out of air defenses before the -117 opens its bay doors. Stealth isn’t flawless as we found out over Yugoslavia.
@@KjetilBalstadescorting means they were assigned to protect the f117 on their mission by being available should awacs or control say there is a threat. Escorting missions is not like ww2 anymore where the f15 sticks with the bomber as missiles have a long range so they just need to be nearby. No point having a radar evading plane if a bunch of non radar evading planes are following it as protection
Su-35S Flanker-E doesn't have a twin-seat variant. The twin-seat Flanker would be the Su-30SM/SM2, which in the SM2 guise is practically a twin-seat Su-35S.
There is no 2 seater configuration for SU-35
I was a little lost on that comment as well
Those were probably SU-30s
If you can't make out a false claim with these guys, it isn't a video from them.
Edit: Do they ever admit and correct themselves?
You are right on that. These guys speak like they really know what they are talking about but have no clue.@@juliane__
Likely the Su-30SM
SU 35s doesn't have a backseat
Who's going to be using the handheld GPS then?
@@pistonburner6448 Ukrainians on F-16s?
True, although the Su-30 *is sort* of that. I know they're different, I'm just saying they're both advanced multirole Flankers, and the Su-30 is the closest thing. The Su-35 should be a bit more advanced, while the Su-30 has a backseat.
@@rbrtck
Yeah.
If filming is the task , SU 30 is the one
@@rbrtck I wouldn't say that. Su-30SM is better than the Su-35s. All the Su-35s is is a Su-27SM. Both the Su-30SM and Su-27SM have pretty much the same general weapons, avionics, and even thrust vectoring. Only difference is the Su-30SM/MK is generally a more useful over all aircraft. Su-35s is literally just a stop gap aircraft in short. It isn't a new aircraft it's just a modernized Su-27. This is why the Su-35 is sometimes referred to as the Su-27M or Su-27SM because that is literally all it is. It would be like calling the Su-30SM/MK the Su-38s.
Basically similar to the Su-37 which was literally just like the Su-35 a prototype it was only ever given that higher number in it's name for news papers. But officially it was never called the Su-37. Both the Su-37 and 35 were part of the same Su-27M program and just test beds and their official names were T-10###. But they finally stuck with Su-35s because they had already announced the Su-37 was never going to be built. Basically every time they designed a new prototype modification for the Su-27M program they gave it a new number/name for the news papers and boy did western intelligence agencies go bonkers over them as well. But this was also during the same time period as the T95 scam/scandal a fake tank that never actually existed but was showed off at tank shows in Russia, and promoted in a way that worried western intelligence agencies. Issue is it never existed. Same goes for the Su-35 it never existed, it was just a Su-27M and the final version of the Su-27M the SM is the Su-35s.
Basically to sum it up. It's like calling a A-10B Thunderbolt II an A-15S Thunderbolt Squeeze. When all the A-10B is a is a modernized version of the A-10 to replace the A-10A. Again this is why some still call it the Su-27M because it literally looks 100% identical to a Su-27 to avoid confusion.
More reasons for the mixed formation weapons test:
1. EW sensor fine tuning and cross reference of spikes
2. radar interference test
3. multiple platforms to track trajectory the test launch of that stand off missile
4. missile targeting control handover procedure between old and new aircraft via datalinks...
Or just the fact, that russia does only operate 12 Su-57 and they did not have enough available...
@@r4dio4ctiv3man9 Of course they have only a couple, still in test phase at the unit level...We will not see them at full squadron level for a few more years I guess...
@@electricaviationchannelvid7863 Russian defense secretary Schoigu claimed in (i think) 2018: "We don´t need more Su-57, as our other jets are already the best in the world". In other terms: "We are broke and no one wants to buy our piece of shit."
Maybe the escorts were there just to observe the performance and be there to assist in case of problems if the Su-57 in general, or that specific aircraft, were new or had new features.
Yeah, chase planes. Obviously, the Su-57 is still being developed, not fully operational, contrary to what some claim. That's one reason so few have been made. In the west, at least, a fighter like this would take years to finish development, once several of them are flying.
Those escorts were also targets for cover confusion just in case of any incoming touching the 57. They need escorts though seem's really really Russian for some reason.
I think the low radar observability of the SU-57 has been greatly overstated. Having an escort gives Russia the option of stating it was the escort aircraft that were detected in the case of detection.....the 4th gen fighters are just there as a "mask".
I've noticed that the F-22 and F-35 have that sort of golden canopy which must be part of the stealth tech. The Chinese and Russian so-called fifth gen don't seem to have it.
@@hildemel I believe the SU-57 does have that feature. Unsure of it's effectiveness as they don't release much information and if they do, it is in most cases not accurate.
@BrettManZA80 the same thing the West does
@@hildemelonly the F22 has it
@kanestalin7246 F-35 has that golden effect too, just not as bright and not in all pictures
When you flyboys pay more attention to Top Gun than the 1992 Blue Angels visit to Moscow, that speaks volumes about your morals.
That’s an awesome remark!
Give them some credit, they are really trying at picking words to correctly express themselves avoiding taking sides and misjudging.
@@user-oo1pt6bv2s Got it. Kudos to you.
How is there in Moscow comrad?
Everybody laughed at cope cages at first.
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Nobody really knows anything, but everyone is an expert.
Same as I drove my car to an F1 Race.
This guy gets it.
'Russians are all about safety' caught me off guard 😂
Thats the best joke Ive ever heard
To each their own, but I think the SU-57 is a beautiful plane!
Yeah, it is in the top 5 for best-looking jet.
It looks so stupid and the dimensions are all weird, wtf are you talking about? It looks like someone picked it up and bent it. It looks horrible
Every western, japanese and korean jet looks way better
Beautiful sure, 5th generation stealth no even close.
One thing that occurred to me would be to see if the ukrainians tracked the two su-33s and if they could see another lower observable Target in the mix. Especially if it was recorded and they did not see the su-57 the first go around.
Seems like having a 4th gen escort of 5th gen is a great way for the opposing ground operators to get a beacon we can use to find a harder to see Target.
where is this gopro footage?
"trust me bro"
Like oit of bed this early to go take pics of it, its nice and they fly on sundays often
Thanks.
Yup and the F-22 and F-35 have performed flawlessly since the first aircraft in production I'm sure.
A lot better than the su-57
@@diamond_tango He does have a point... half the time the F35s arent even flying for one reason or another. Is what it is. Reality
@@diamond_tangothat's right. f-35 only have a few crashes in the last few years so surely su-57s are crashing at much higher rate. right?
There are over 1000 F35s in service today throughout the world with more coming by the day. The Navy version, the vertical takeoff version and the standard "Air Force" version. The F22 is an outdated (still quite capable) 30+ year old design that replacement is already in the works. Not real good comparison to russia's latest and greatest. The 57 does look cool!
Any new information on the U.S. hypersonic glide weapon they were seemingly getting ready to test in the pacific?
That's like Lightnings escorted by Eagles. Though I would not be surprised.
Well, it makes sense, the block 4 f35ccan fire the eagle's weapons. And The eagle's a fantastic missile truck....
Evidently, the su 57 cant hit a target with its own missiles. I know, a low blow, the 57 is not as developed, but one wonders how much it matters, as its fairly well known the russian pilots lack hours in the air, thus have questionable skill levels.
Why use the Felon in A2G? A bit like using the Raptor for same. Very weird.
If the missile works and the stealth works maybe it is cheaper than using other cruise missiles. But yeah I wouldn't risk it for the propaganda loss alone if your stealth 5th gen can be detected by old air defense.
It is considered multi-role like the F-35
Lol, half the American airforce comes out when a stealth bomber has a mission.
How do you know?
A Yugoslavia missile operator told me, he was aiming at non stealth US aircraft but got a lucky shot :)@@CWLemoine
It uses the kinzal right?
US has RAPID DRAGON, where a1950s era C130 launches antiship missiles without need for escort. We have 4000 missiles and 2000 C130s.
Imagine having a stealth jet that has to be escorted by non stealth jets. 😅
Imagine the F-22 retiring with it's only actual air kill being a balloon.
@@RuskettleThat's kind of acrually a good thing if you value human life..
f-117 was often escorted.
@@RuskettleImagine the US not being at war and needing to use it's F22 to kill enemy planes. Yet.
Do you think I'm Russian? "D'uh, name begins with Rus, must be Russian!"@@paradiddlesixix7530
Even F35 requires escorts.
The Russian pentagon is called the Comic-Con 😂.
Sorry Commie - Con 🤣
Su 35 got better record than f 22 and f15
Where was that stated...
The su 35 shot down more advanced air craft from the mig 29 s to the su 27 and operates in a much more advanced environment in Ukraine going against s 300 patriot buk tor crotail irst advanced countermeasures advanced NATO satellite Intel and NATO commanders helping the whole way and some. Americans air force went against poor nations with export variant mig 19 mig 21 mig 23 the mig 29 America shot down we're old export version of the original first mig 29 invented other words it was junk , air defense sa 2 sa 8 was the prodomite air defense America had to fly against a joke when used against modern air force like america thats why su35 su 30sm and su 34 has the best record know. All u ever attack with your air force is poor 3rd world nations
In Ukraine the conditions there are way beyond anything our air force had to deal with
Su 35 shot down more advanced aircraft and destroyed more advanced air defense systems from the s 300 to the Patriot crotail buk irst.
And soon u are going to add the f 16 to the list.
Defector profile😂😂
Um...are you saying the Su-35s were there to shoot down the Su-57 if its pilot decided to say: "Bye-bye, Mother Russia!" ??? If that's true, that would be hilarious!
@@thudthud5423 They are THAT paranoid...
You guys need to do this with your fighter helmet’s on … lol
I got to admit that the SU-57 is a sexy jet !!!
The Su-57 was probably with external loads, thus not stealthy, along with the S-70 Okhotnik (guess).
there was also a miss on the patriot's launch batteries, and someone did not go back home in plastic bag.
…and misses LOL
hey I have your sp avatar tatooed on the back of my arm. Nice.
They probably sent the 2 4th gen fighters to be bigger targets, so if a Sam came up, it would hopefully go for the bigger cross sections. It would hopefully mitigate the risk of the 57 getting downed in ukr territory. Maybe?
The SU-57 is a high value asset. Of course they will send an escort.
great intel oppy: we can paint the 35's, and we can see what we can do with the 57.
5th Generation Fighters!
Counterarguments: Is stealth not more effective if there is additional 'noise' in the area? Granted, having 4th gen fighters in the area being 'loud' as possible may make it obvious that stealth aircraft is in the area, but, if the tactic keeps Ukrainians from targeting a SU-57, it might be worth it. Also, losing a SU-35 is less of a PR disaster than a losing a SU-57. It's not like Russia hasn't used sacrificial-pawns before.
that is afaik the Western doctrine around Raptors and F-35s as well, particularly the F-35, it goes in front of the loud Gen 4+s and serve as passive sensors for gathering information and potentially guiding a weapon too.
very possible, the felon is only stealthy at certain vectors. so hiding its signature on egress would help keep it hard to search for.
Wouldn't it just be a case of the SU35s being a complete platform vs the Su55 still being developed? Ukraine provides a good testing ground?
Maybe the drank too much Vodka and thought they were sitting in 3 SU-57s.
Lol
SU35 is single seat FYI and has an estimated cross section of 24 meters square... so HUGE with giant twin IR flares as well...not subtle.
sending nonstealth might be to cover how much (non)stealthy it is... they can say - hey they knew about us coz there were those su35s.
Was it even intended for ground strike operations or are they using conventional bombs on impact calculation, I know they claim they’re using air to surface missiles but where are they getting from
from dishwashers
They might be dropping scrap metal, dropped by string-actuated release mechanism.
They were testing a new missile specifically designed for the Su-57.
Given shortages, they may have a stock of those new missiles they want to use just to be able to keep shooting:
Gonky gets it. Believe nothing you hear and half of what you see.
I’m guessing to throw off it’s signal
To illustrate how un-stealthy an Su-35 is, they're about the same size as a very large business jet. Huge for a fighter / multi-role jet.
to illustrate how un-stealthy and un-lethal the Su-57 is, it had to be escorted by a pair of Su-35 like a vulnerable un-stealthy bomber.
@@SoloRenegadeYes, but listen to the guys here. There are other considerations as to why.
*SU-57 has the RADAR cross section of a 777. Ivan will shoot it down themselves. 😉
OK, but stealthier than a Typhoon/Rafale/Gripen/F16/F18/F15/F14 right 🤷🏻? Also, what is the sortie rate of an F35/F22 - once every two days?
@@aland7236 listen to what? I don't think you have any clue what you're saying.
@@msulemanf the rafale is stealthier than the Su-57. Su-57 is only as "stealthy" as an F-18. US F-16 have been given stealth coating and canopies. The B-1 is more of a stealth than the Su-57, and has a smaller cross section.
Sortie rate of the F-35/F-22 is far higher than the Su-57.
Su 57 isn't an air superiority fighter. It's multirole or they are also calling it a fullback.
Vietnam War
The United States was using a new technology, air-to-air missiles, to shoot down enemy aircraft in the 1960s.
When the Vietnam War began in 1965, fighter aircraft such as the F-4 Phantom II did not have weapons, it was believed that the aircraft's missiles would be sufficient.
But American aircraft equipped with missiles came face to face with the small and agile Soviet-made MiG aircraft as the war in Vietnam developed.
Some of North Vietnam's MiGs were nearly identical to the Soviet aircraft that fought on the Korean peninsula in the early 1950s. These were considered obsolete in the West, but could cause problems in close combat where American aircraft could not use their missiles.
Between 1965 and 1968, American aircraft still shot down more North Vietnamese aircraft than they lost, but the difference was rapidly decreasing.
Large, twin-engine American planes were fairly easy to spot from a distance; The small, single-engine MiGs were not.
One of the US solutions to this was an ambitious new design against the increasingly advanced Soviet aircraft.
U.S. defense officials were already alarmed in the late 1960s by the emergence of the Soviet MiG-25, a giant fighter jet capable of flying at three times the speed of sound.
To counter the MiG-25, the McDonnell-Douglas F-15 Eagle was designed to shoot down enemy aircraft at high altitude with radar-guided missiles.
However, Warsaw Pact allies such as the Soviet Union, Poland and East Germany fielded thousands more warplanes that would fly and fight at lower levels.
It's following the standards set by the f22, it can't strike a weather balloon 🎈
Precisely why the Indian government pulled out of the Su57 program. Although we are still a long way to go from mastering our own Fighter program. But I guess this was another reason why we switched to French Dassault aviation Rafale.
Not due to famous indian corruption, 100%
@@user-qn3xu5ee3t Yes ofcourse, you can add that to the list as well.
Rafale is more advanced and more stealthy than the Su-57
@@SoloRenegade prove or u're gay
@@user-qn3xu5ee3t Corruption pretty much comes to foreign lobbying. SU57(FRGA) was going to be pretty expensive while also barely getting any IP. That's why they pulled out
Only thing I could plausibly think of would be some sort of Russian Wild Weasel but that sort of suggests the stealth isn’t so stealthy. Bottom line is unless it’s a camera plane the Felon isn’t as stealthy or as capable as it’s advertised.
Wild weasel is specifically not stealth. They want to get shot.
They don’t say YGBSM idly.
SEAD, maybe, Wild Weasel, no.
Well thats it...the only one.
Russian and Ukrainian ground guys are competing in a tight race on who has the most aircraft kills of Russian aircraft. Ukraine did a little bit of catch-up last week.
Keyboard warriors
The fact that they are sending 35s with 57s could mean that they are not confident in the stealth capabilities of the 57 and are afraid it'll get shot down.
And how 35s would help in that? Body-blocking missiles?
Or that stealth wasn't needed in a mission where the missile is launched 300km from its target
When you likely have American AWACS vectoring or directing every asset available to target you. Just pointing out the obvious.
You mean the fact that western media is making sh!t up again to get people to still go along with the conflict :)
Unless there was a second 57 .......the escorted one being painted up for miss info 🤔
Shouldnt the su57 be escorting the su35s?
Do you think the F-35 has the 5th gen traits of super-agility and supercruise?
F35 does not supercruise
@@MarkisDavidson-ti4lg I know.
well, at least it does not fall from the sky because of bad weather... Unlike russian warships, they sink because of bad weather. At least according to russian officials...
@@r4dio4ctiv3man9 with over 1000 f35's built a problem is bound to happen to one or two. How many rusky 57's were built again? 😂
@@MarkisDavidson-ti4lg IIRC twelve, with two beeing prototypes. The best thing was the claim of russian defense secretary Schoigu in 2018 i think it was: "We don´t need more Su-57 because our other jets are already the best in the world". In other terms " we are broke and no one wants to buy our piece of shit."
I am sure _you_ weren't there.
F-35s are better technologically, Then the SU-57, but the SU-57 is much better looking design, just a beautiful looking plain to me.
The F35 is a single-engine aircraft with a relatively low speed. If the Su 57 decides to catch up with him, the F35 will not go anywhere.
The Su-57 currently can’t carry air-to-air missiles, or really any missiles aside from the Kh-69 (previously designated Kh-59MK2) internally. The Russians are developing these variants of their missiles that can fit inside the Su-57, but most aren’t in service yet.
If you want the strike package to have some SAM suppression or counter air capability, the Su-57 would need to be in a non-stealthy configuration. My guess is the Su-35s had R-77s and Kh-31Ps, with the logic being that if the Ukrainians shoot down an aircraft like they have been recently, they’d rather it be a Su-35 rather than a Su-57.
Seems like a really bad idea to give the enemy experience with what the Su-57 looks like on radar?
I know they were very reluctant to bring the F-35 in because they didn’t want to show it to radar…
So 40 year old American abrams are being laughed at the Russian su 57 is being laughed at.
SU-57 vs NATO is questionable on the modern battlefield is all fun and games if for example F-35 comes from out of range.... But what if the planes take off from a airfield that is in range on both sides?
I bet the SU-35s were there to catch fire meant for the SU-57.
SU 57 moment
There is something called western propaganda which is ridiculous even to discuss
It was over occupied territory. And then they launched a stand off type weapon? How old is this plane and they still hold its hand? They obviously weren't even trying to be stealthy with the 4th gen fighters along as wingmen.
With dumb bombs, Russians use a system most people never heard of. The system is called SVP-24. I think Wiki has a small article on it so you get the jist.
I don't understand their argument here... If you are flying next to 2 other planes then stealth is not the plan. When do jets even get used as 'fighters'... where are the 'dogfights;... they are all literally used as bombers. The perfect example is the F-22 and how that has been used. The only Dog fight a Raptor saw was against a Chinese Balloon
@@gags730I think the point is maybe the Russians are trying to conceal that the SU-57 is in fact not particularly stealthy. Why send stealth planes into combat and purposely corrupt their stealth capability? I could see if they sent the 4th gen fighters one way as a distraction and then hit them from another direction with the SU57.
And dogfights occur when countries are attempting to establish air superiority and air dominance. Up until now it hasn't really been a part of this conflict.
But its a way for not letting know the stealth signature of it specifically
I was thinking how it could be a way of masking it a bit, but now you have two known sigs and one you don't know, so you're even *more* curious. On it's own I guess it could look like a cruise missile until it turns round & goes home again...
I see your point. But definitively there is an aspect of not giving it away completely.
wrong, the escorts don't mask the signature. the radars can pick out the discrete aircraft. and now everyone knows to evaluate that flight of 3 that included 2 Su-35s to determine what the Su-57 looks like.
@@kessu83 the US "masks" the signature of the F-35 by using deployable radar reflectors to Increase its signature. and the B-2 flies around with its drag brakes open for the same reason.
the only way to mask teh Su-57, is to change the Su-57 signature to make it More visible. Sending Su-35 along does nothing.
Modern radars are so good they can even tell if a fighter is carrying weapons or not. There is no way an Su-35 will "mask" another aircraft's signature.
@@SoloRenegade not necesarily in all conditions...you need certain factors for that to happen..that you dont know if they were met at the time.
Why did they use 4th gen SU 35 with next gen SU 57? Maybe the same reason USAF used F15s with F22 in Syria?
Two entirely different reasons. Russia used escorts in case the 57 fell out of the sky. Not sure if you heard but Russia's infrastructure ain't doin so hot.
@@RedFail1-1 you should be a comedian
Yeah I suspect this is just about shitting on Russia. The plane isn't 5th gen for sure. It's a 4.5 gen, but it's a beautiful aircraft that is more than a match for the majority of ac it will come across.
@@ferrous3262 Why? Claimed by russian officials, their blacksea fleet flagship went to the bottom of the sea because of bad weather. And they lost 2 A-50 Mainstay aircraft within 2 months. Both to friendly fire, according to russian officials. Early Warnming and Control Aircraft are as large as an airliner and fly on a planned raceway pattern orbit. One must be dumb as shit to confuse these with enemy aircraft. But what else do you expect from russia?
I agree about the aircraft being beautiful! It is a stunning design as far as how it "feels", whether its stealthy doesn't matter if you are looking at it as a beauty contest winner.@@adamtedder1012
Well a game is game. Russians are about war. They are the largest country in the world with space age tech, their ECM is beyond of what we can imagine. Their country is millennia old, they fought in all the world wars and were victorious. To take them lightly, or even make fun of them, i would say is a big mistake.
If the SU57 is Russia "stealth" fight, why does it need an escort?.
Maybe a KGB controled GCI flight.. did not want the pilot to run away west with a prize
Pretty sure KGB have not existed since 1991
😂🤣 I just can’t!
SU-57 isn't stealth anyway. It's RCS is equal to a Super Hornet. Because it's a larger aircraft it can be considered reduced observable, but it's no less detectable and targetable than most 4th gen aircraft.
absolute nonsense!
@mcal27 what part of that is nonsense? Sukhoi themselves, who tends to overexaggerate their products, states it's RCS is equivalent to a Super Hornet (without weapons under the wings) at 0.1-1m2. It's not a stealth aircraft, therefore cannot be considered 5th generation.
@@2FlyCaptain sushi said no such thing! They have made no statements about its RCS.. quit your propaganda
@@2FlyCaptain the only statement about RCS has come from folks like you who picked up the unfinished skin on the 2nd prototype.. honestly.. do better! Super hornet is like a barn door on radar.. though obviously capable apart from this in a jack of all trades kinda way
@@mcal27 that's completely incorrect
There are some claims that F-35 is making SIGINT missions in Ukrainian air space. Russia probably have the capacity to track and identify F-35. I wonder if they have ever scramble a Su-57 against F-35.
Realy? Russia claimed that both A-50 Mainstay aircraft were lost to friendly fire. Two Early Warning and Control aircraft of the size of an airliner, flying a planned raceway pattern orbit over own territory. And they confused these with enemy jets... You realy believe, the russians are competent enough to identify anything in the sky, when they cannot ID their own AWACS over own territory? I want some of what you´ve been smokin´....
Russian cant really track and identify a bunch of different rockets and drones, I doubt that F-35 is that easy to track
From what I understand Russia still has a ton of issues with the Felon, including production quality not allowing tight enough panel gaps to maintain low RCS. My guess is this was almost entirely for testing purposes and proganda. Russia is probably running a little low on cash right now so if you're going to run an expensive missile test with your shiny new stealth fighter, might as well do it in a real world scenario.
They are still hand building them as far as I know.
how does a stealth fighter get escorted by 2 non stealth fighters doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose
Were those two Su-35s escorted by Mig-21s?
Defeats the purpose of stealth, yes, but no stealth was involved (as what I presume is the point of your rhetorical question). For the mission, no, if they can't defend themselves and need to be protected against Ukrainian fighters. Maybe not all of their systems have been completed yet.
SU57 is a 4th gen fighter…if you just analyze a few core aspects of stealth it is probably lower observable but honestly other than small verticals
guys.. duh.. Su-57 were in full stealth config which means nothing hung externally, so they likely had no AAM’s… pretty basic really
The SU-57 is as stealthy as a F-18
@@martinjrgensen8234 prove it.. waiting
By the way, heads up all rhino (F-18) drivers: "Bitchin Betty" retires from Boeing. GIYF
SU57 can't even compete with Boeng commercial planes that can precisely launch its landing gear wheel right after take off into parked sedan. If civilian aircraft so dangerous... I can't even imagine what military from 34.5 trillion dollars in foreign debt country can do.
You guys are too young to remember the F-117's first "combat' mission was dropping some LGB Mk 82s during Panama invasion in 89, two years before Desert Storm. Pressure on Pentagon to use their newest expensive toy, no different from Kremlin needing to showcase their newest toys.
Do you understand that you are discussing a fictional event created in some reporters mind ?
Russian 5th gen is in reality buffed 4th gen, so having been escorted by other 4th gen planes, is not compromising with opssec.
Possible that they made the formation “not stealthy” to avoid the embarrassment of having their “stealth” detected.
@@Justanotherconsumer Nah, their stealth is so stealth, that you would never know it is stealth lol
@@lubomirdoukov6975 Can't detect a plane on radar when it stays in the hangar with its engine undergoing perpetual repairs. Checkmate, NATO!
Heck yeah
That’s like the USAF sending a B-21 with 2 B-52s together.
Maybe 'escort' wasn't quite the right word. Maybe it was a three aircraft attack mission, one SU-57 to do the attack, accompanied (very, very loosely) by two SU-35's possibly used as decoys while the SU-57 flew its stealthy attack part of the mission. In this case, except in other than in non-critical parts of the flying, the SU-35's were never near enough to record the SU-57 in the actual attack phase. Also, perhaps puts the SU-35's close enough that they can offer assistance to the SU-57 if it became necessary - for example, in the event that the SU-57 was somehow intercepted by Ukranian aircraft. But otherwise, why bother with the SU-35's?
What are they launching Mavericks? Rifle.............?? Lmaoo.
In 20 years, the 57 is really going to be something. 😅
Obsolete.
Bold of you to imply it isn't already
@@BreandanAnraoi it's not exactly setting the world on fire, except at air shows.
@@colonelkurtz2269 exactly
To prevent the SU57 from defecting. LOL
The Su-57 was intended from the start as multirole, and at least I've never gotten the impression that air-to-ground was secondary to air-to-air for it. Air-to-ground has always been more emphasized for it than for the F-22, for example, which can do air-to-ground (and pretty well, too, especially when it flies fast, up to Mach 1.72 for dropping bombs), but it is a secondary role.
The SU-57 is a failed attempt at copying the F-22/YF-23 concept. Round exhausts, antennas, appendages and exposed rivets everywhere. Does it have a smaller cross-section than an SU-33? Maybe, but it's no F-22/F-35. It's also not just about what it looks like on the outside. I'm sure its systems integration with the rest of the battlespace is not up to our 5th gen standards.
the SU-57 is nothing more than a prototype at this point thats why it needed escorts because its not stealthy or they just plain have no idea
I heard it was the Ghost of Kiev who used his infinite experience to WILL the Pilot into missing. Extraordinary stuff!
I prove you wrong here, russian stealth is as fictional as the ghost of Kiev!
@@lubomirdoukov6975didn't they invent it? (Not saying it's good)
@@MegaDuckmonster Actually wrong, the theory has been created by a soviet scientist, but it has been purely academical subject, until someone from Skunk Works( if I remember correctly) noticed and developed the practical math needed to evaluate the RCS of an airframe.
Missing like when a Raytheon AIM-9X missed a 60's era SU-22 while dispensing old Soviet flares?
Another Kremlin troll got defeated and is moaning and Crying 🤣 Su57 is trash they only have 3
Sometimes the tech is specifically designed to defeat other tech, so using the “obsolete” defense might even work better.
“Obsolete” listening stations used to detect aircraft before there was radar may come back against stealth - military jets are notoriously loud.
Flares deteriorate fairly rapidly, so it's highly unlikely those flares were from the Soviet era.
If any plane would have been shot down in this mission, it likely would have been one or both of the Su-35s since they have larger RCS. I'm sure the very last thing Russia would have wanted was to have a solo Su-57 flying into a combat zone, getting targeted and shot down. Su-57s, of course, are expensive. Getting one shot down would have been a black eye against Fuhrer Putin and his regime, would have been a blow to Russian morale (if it was let known to the public) and a hit to their pocket books.
For propaganda, so the Su-57 is too valuable to risk in an actual operation. Like the T-14 tank, it has to be kept far away in a bunker. Meanwhile, soon Ukraine will have F-16, Gripen and Mirage 2000.
Maybe F16 but no Mirage or Gripens
Russia's command of military strategy and implementation is a paper tiger.
NATO command is the same - paper alliance never seen in a real war.
I love all these comments from brainwashed "Russia bad because CNN told me so!" types. "There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent." - Sun Tzu.
@@paradoxicalcat7173exactly. These gullible simpletons eat anything the western mainstream media shoves down their throats! If Russia’s army is a paper tiger how come it’s chewing through the ukrainian army despite all the help of NATO? With all those billions, weapons, sanctions and especially the intelligence that gives Ukrainian foreknowledge of Russian troop movements and deployments. Paper tiger my A.