That ledge around the valve seats, how do you smooth that down without knicking the seats? Also, can you fix Edelbrock's one-angle valve job, using the existing valves and seats, or do you throw those out and start over?
@@jeffrykopis5468 Hello Jeffry, thanks for the question and the answer is yes. We unshrouded the chambers with a radius cutter, 15° bottom and came down to the seat while not touching the valve job. Did a full chamber job. And it is really nice now. We will redo the valve job, 5 angle intake seat and radius valve job on the exhaust. Narrow the 45° seat to an appropriate seat width. And blend the bowls. Port work is already finished. Valve job and resurfaced is next. Thanks for the question. I hope this answers you. Thanks, EM.
I feel privileged, I've known Ed, since before he opened his shop. I've learned a lot from Ed, he has done work for me on a 170 cid dodge slant 6, a Dodge 3.9 V6 , a 239 cid Ford flathead V8 1950 . And a few other projects, a head for an 84 Pontiac 4 cylinder 1.8 . Even helped me with a sounding rod, you really don't want to know what that's for though. Great machinist no matter what he works on.
Dam Eddy. Joe those are some laid back smart dudes, imagine your going to learn a lot hanging out there, and thanks for taking us along so we can learn too...
Great video! He did a great job explaining and showing! Reminded me of grinding the spark plug threads on the speedmasters LOL. Honestly, I think the speedmaster small block heads were better than those OOTB E-streets. Very revealing, glad you posted this info.
Fantastic episode joe! It really is a amazing to see a machinist perspective on a off the shelf head. Really shows what happens with mass produced parts. Great video, Learned a lot of about what machinist look at.
Thanks to the gentleman for doing all of this with you. Crazy respect for their experience and knowledge. Can I be like a shop dog and just hangout and take in all the little conversation of those guys. Just too cool. Thanks Joe for bringing us along. 👍
Cool video. Very interesting to watch, good job guys! Devils advocate: nothing is going to be perfect. If a person wanted this time spent on perfecting heads, they'd be $5,000 and nobody would buy them at all. It's all relative. Mass production parts of any type equal imperfection, that's the nature of it.
Well said! The fear of not being able to run a brand new head on your engine shouldn’t exist with any aftermarket aluminum fully assembled head. What can we do, but check it?
Excellent video flat out. these guys know what they are doing. It goes to show big money out a box may not quite be what expected. I sent my '65 383, 1 OE head and one '68 head to a machine shop I happened to find out about. He flat out loved getting to see an untouched relic. He was surprised he found 0 differences between the 3 year spread of the heads. Me good with stock heads cause me not building a shiny looksie race engine. Just an old Mopar ground pounder and they took the Mopar double springs without extra grinding.
@@JustMoparJoe How did you guess? The heads also already had hardened exhaust seats. And I know this engine and heads very well. I pulled the engine out of my '65 Sport Fury. I pulled the other head off of a '68 440 to put on my 383 after I over heated it so bad an exhaust seat dropped from warpage. Block and heads were virgin never been touched.
i have performer rpm heads on my 440, that needed $600 worth of work 2 years ago . had them in a box in my closet since the early 2000's guess even then they needed work lol
Very informative and excellent video. Great content. Those guys know their stuff. Thanks for doing this and sharing the knowledge. Keep it coming, for sure!!
Man that's got to be tough dropping hard earned dough on shiny new parts expecting it to be right and then finding out it needs completely gone thru costing even more money. Hey I appreciate you letting a legit shop scrutinize your heads. Kinda makes a guy wanna find some cheap iron 915s, 452s, 906s, even 516s and just let a competent shop familiar with the brand completely go thru them.
@@JustMoparJoe OK great! I would like for a competent shop like Ed's who is familiar with Mopars do a step-by-step all out rebuild and port job on some 452s, since they're probably still the most plentiful and affordable. With before and after flow bench results. It seems like the shop who know what their doing even on other brands tend to like products from Ferrea, Isky, Erson, Elgin. I like to know who they prefer for cams, springs, valves etc. Also I just subbed!
Its a good thing you know those guys. They really know there stuff. I was told Trickflow is the way to go for racing. Id love to have them do my MW heads.
Wayne was a max wedge guy! He was showing pictures of his old cars. Let me know if you want the contact information. They stay busy because they know their stuff.
This is great stuff! I’ve read and heard from pros how nice the Trick Flows are but of course nothing is perfect and EVERYTHING should be checked lol. I think if the E Streets will meet your needs, putting a little more money into them is a good way to go. 20 years ago a Chevy buddy of mine had his new Edelbrocks checked out by a reputable shop and they found the same things your guys did so, nothing new there! Looking forward to the next two videos and your plans for the 400 block build! Happy New Year Joe!
@@JustMoparJoe You’re welcome. I will check out the other video when I got a second. Now all you need is a Hemi, my buddy has about six or seven, I should hook you up with him he owns the Nostalgia Pro stock association.
@@JustMoparJoe he just offered me a 383 too build. I may take him up on that. He is restoring roy hills pro stock car now, that was built by Pettys. He also has a few hemis from Petty.
Outstanding video and great knowledge. These guys know their stuff. The detail and depth of info is very valuable. Its good to know we still have guys like these to share their wisdom and expertise. Thanks Joe for having the insight to make these videos!!
good stuff Joe , I've got trick flow heads on my engine, and didn't have any trouble with them for over20 years... until the champion plug threw an electrode thru the valve
This is great stuff. I was always told you should get new heads checked but it's nice to actually see why, and what to look for. Thanks so much for this!
Personally choose to use iron heads and have BES prepare them depending what I do with them. Even though it costs money to tweak stock heads, I am amazed how much work needs to be done (including cleaning and deburing) these aluminum heads out of the box. The dents in the castings is alarming. I am glad Edelbrock is an American company, but for the money charged this is not right. Thanks for the video, now I know what to look for.
Man ! extremely informative video my heads are coming from performance injection equipment in Delaware, my engine builder says he wants to check the heads before he installs them. (Doesn’t matter where they come from) Now I understand why he says that. Happy new year to all the Mopar heathens out there !
Another lesson well explain never realized about that Ridge for the money you would think that you should be able to bolt right on your engine pretty interesting valuable lesson would hate to have a blown head gasket always smart to check things out
Having gone from TF 270s to Edelbrock RPMs, you can see why I made fun of the quality of the Edelbrocks on my tear down video. They make a good point of check everything before running either head. Gary just got my RPMs done. Would love to get some pictures but I think he has the engine back together already.
Would be great to see about how much it would roughly cost to bring the Estreet heads up to the perfomance of the Trick Flow heads. Good stuff Joe !!! Happy New Year to you and your family !!! Thanks for these videos !!
Hello Joe , thank you for sharing your work. I have a set of performers for sbf and they also came with the same problems you found in your castings. It took me many hours to correct these discrepancies and still not completely satistied . It is a shame that the quality of the products of this iconic company is taking a dump. Next time I will buy AFR
What bore was the head gasket used to scribe on the E Street? Also just some feedback: the editing left some topics of conversation with no context, not sure if accidental or on purpose
Thanks for the question. The gasket was a standard felpro they keep for torque plate honing. It’s been expanded already, so is a good template for marking. Some stuff in the video weren’t introduced because they are common practices for shops. Checking head Cc’s, vacuum testing ports, etc. The majority of things in video 1 will be repeated in video 2. Most guys watching this would want to see how these heads measure up before spending the money. Hopefully hat helps 👍🏼
Nice video Joe! I love this topic! Funny I just posted a video on the B1 Brodix cylinder head platform over on my tiny little channel. Thanks for posting Joe
Yes they are. But it’s kinda like Goldilocks. Some heads are too hot, some too cold, and others are inexpensive enough for me to use on a stock stroke 400 streetcar build.
Love Mopar but if money wasn't a obstacle I would run Predator head even on my lawnmower lol it's great that we have such a wide range of head we can invest in even down to 440 source stealth heads thanks Joe.
Have you checked out promaxx heads. I’ve got a set of small block Mopar maxx series (basically like the edelbrock performers) that I disassembled to check things over and I was pretty happy with the quality so far. I might make a video to share and help inform other Mopar fans as there’s not much info online about them.
Thats just another reason to piss me and other people off especially if we saved up all yearbor what have ya and buy a set of aluminum heads and theres that much crap wrong with them. I have multiple people tell me if I chose aluminum heads to just stick with truck flow . I'm going to be cleaning up a set of non emission J heads with 2.02 valves . I also watch David Vizards channel. Great stuff Joe
I hope you do a review of other lower cost BB heads, like the Stealth, the Pro Comp/Speedmasters, and the Promaxx. I might have to cut up a pair of 452s and learn how to port them myself. I'm poor, but retired, so I got plenty of time.
@@JustMoparJoe I look forward to that. I'm retired with a disability now, so my income is low. I'll probably never be able to get aluminum heads. But for my street oriented 383, I probably don't need em. 400hp would be more than enough.
@@JustMoparJoe Hey, while I got her attention, Joe: My 383 and 727 are both from a low mileage 67 Newport. Both bone stock. I'd like to hop it up just a bit, but according to my catalogs, all the cam kits are for 68 and up, and so are the shift kits, torque converters, etc. Why?? If I can't get parts to make them faster, I might as well sell them and get a 360. My project is a 71 Satellite, currently equipped with the factory 318 (cracked block), 904, and 8.25 with 2.76 gears. If I go with a 360, I can keep the lame trans and rear end for a while.
WOW!!! I have seen the shrouding and the lack of gasket matching of the chamber and the sharp points between the valves and even seats that were set too deep into the heads, but all that trash left in the guide and tell your customers to go from the box to the engine!! There is alllways room for improvement, but leaving trash is insane!! Why not roll the stem in grease and sand before boxing them up?!?!?!?! I cant wait to see the TF machine work now.. I'm hoping the 400 will go big stroke.. I love a stroked low deck.... Happy New Year, Joe!!
I love it! I’m building a Similar engine in a series on the channel in the next months. He’s going with Indy heads. I have heads and 440 source bottom end here. Waiting on cam .
Great video, Joe. I, unfortunately, have those heads on my motor and the motor was dynoed with. I haven't driven it. After watching this, it is kinda making me sick.
Oh wow! Can you share your numbers? Even if you email me what your setup is. Justmoparjoe@gmail.com. I will say this, if you bought yours before the pandemic, it’s likely they could be better quality.
Holy cow! Ed had me unbox all heads on site. If he left them in box, and opened them in a few weeks, then he could get blamed for any damages. I’m sure they’re better quality being pre pandemic!
I’ve heard edelbrock quality has gone way down hill over the past number of years. If you want to see power numbers for big block Mopar heads check out engine masters on motor trend. They compared stock 906 vs 440 source aluminum vs edelbrock performer vs trick flow. Each step up made another 20 hp. Cast iron 460 hp, all the way up 520hp on the trick flows based on their combination.
I’ve seen them all. Definitely trying to learn as I go. I was wanting a cheap replacement and decent power over a stock head. The Edelbrocks do that, but they need work. Part two is out now.
Damn its pretty sad how bad things are getting made and put together these days.The auto parts stores are about worthless now really. I have learned to rebuild everything myself because of this.poor craftsmanship and manufacturing. Before I decided to rebuild everything myself I would walk into auto parts store and buy something walk out the door turn around and walk back inside and have them to check the new part. It shouldn't be that way it should be quality or nothing or. 10 year waiting list. I would rather be on a 10 year waiting list then to get something that I payed good money for and have to work on it. Hey how is the flashlight and how is the QC and manufacturing on it!??!
@@JustMoparJoe cool man, the flashlight is bright isn't it, you figured out the User interface yet? That's what made really got interest up in the brand was from off I can double tap and be on turbo, hold the button down from off be in moonlight or press it normally and be in your most used lumen level. Not many flashlights have that ability from off to get to everything quickly without cycling through other brightness levels. I mean when you needing to use moonlight mode it's usually because your trying to have minimal light so flashlight it through 2000 lumens kinda defeats the purpose lol.
The exact reason I always tried to just purchase completely bare castings as cheap as possible because the time and effort you place into what you think is an already finished head is two different worlds . They ( the finished heads straight from the chin-foo manufacturer) are great for the fools that pissed the money away to think they are buying something to slap on a car to look cool, think they are making power and selling the car to another moron , is just foolish pricing for little false gain. I’ll stick to ancient stage v and cast iron. If my 511 can make 720hp with ‘78 castings than you can too ! Hah, like a sales pitch. By the way, even though the X block 400s that I used for my engines were very low mileage blocks they too required almost .024” decking to square off, so I cannot imagine what the standard blocks tweaked to .
@@JustMoparJoe the perfect build is a 512 stroker kit, 1/2" pick up, mid range cam , torker intake, trickflows,1050 holley or similar, race balance crank,10.5-1, 600hp ish and idle nice without overheating
@@JustMoparJoe i run a 22" rad in a 70 chall and blackmagic elec fans,alum rad, i believe the fans are 3200 cfm,8 3/4 3:55 gear,275/60/15,2800 tci ,trans built to 600hp, i can stay with a hellcat for 3-4 gears
Eddy’s have a flow tolerance of around 15-18% off advertised numbers. After watching this, I proclaim that Edelbrock heads are junk. Stay factory, or get good cnc heads, middle ground is about gone.
Thanks brother. I will let Ed chime in here if he sees your question. I haven’t had any 440 source heads. Heard mixed reviews on them and figured I’d try this “name” brand edelbrock 😳 Happy New Year brother!
@@JustMoparJoe I've seen from other reviews that the E Street heads have significant flaws in comparison to the RPMs, despite them being the same casting. They said the valves and springs were lower quality, as was the machining.
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Good job Joe.
Nice video.
Can't wait for the following videos.
Thank you, EM.
It was great having you at the shop for a couple of days.
Thanks Ed! Great time around you and Wayne! I have lots to learn still.
That ledge around the valve seats, how do you smooth that down without knicking the seats? Also, can you fix Edelbrock's one-angle valve job, using the existing valves and seats, or do you throw those out and start over?
@@jeffrykopis5468 Hello Jeffry, thanks for the question and the answer is yes.
We unshrouded the chambers with a radius cutter, 15° bottom and came down to the seat while not touching the valve job.
Did a full chamber job.
And it is really nice now.
We will redo the valve job, 5 angle intake seat and radius valve job on the exhaust.
Narrow the 45° seat to an appropriate seat width.
And blend the bowls.
Port work is already finished.
Valve job and resurfaced is next.
Thanks for the question.
I hope this answers you.
Thanks, EM.
@@edsmachine93 Yes, very informative! Thank you!
THE BEST 44O HEAD COMPARISON VIDEO ON TH-cam HANDS DOWN! THANKS JOE!
Hey! I appreciate that! The second part kind of sums it all up, but I didn’t want a 45 minute video 😂
@@JustMoparJoe no worries brother keep up the great work!
I feel privileged, I've known Ed, since before he opened his shop. I've learned a lot from Ed, he has done work for me on a 170 cid dodge slant 6, a Dodge 3.9 V6 , a 239 cid Ford flathead V8 1950 . And a few other projects, a head for an 84 Pontiac 4 cylinder 1.8 . Even helped me with a sounding rod, you really don't want to know what that's for though.
Great machinist no matter what he works on.
That’s awesome Bert! He said he’s been in that location almost 35 years. He’s a good guy and a friend. I’m excited to show his work off on my channel!
I can’t wrap my head around those heads. Edelbrock!!!!!! WoW. Blows my mind. I can’t wait to see the rest of this series. Thanks joe!
I likely won’t buy them again, but when this set leaves that shop, they’ll be top notch! Thanks brother
You can buy cometic gaskets with a slightly larger bore opening and fix that overhang problem on the gasket
Definitely. That was Ed’s advise. I’ve used larger diameter felpros because of the large bore chamfer that many big block mopars had.
Dam Eddy. Joe those are some laid back smart dudes, imagine your going to learn a lot hanging out there, and thanks for taking us along so we can learn too...
Yea man. You knew from last time they were chippy. This time it looked like they have lots of room to improve!
Great video! He did a great job explaining and showing! Reminded me of grinding the spark plug threads on the speedmasters LOL. Honestly, I think the speedmaster small block heads were better than those OOTB E-streets. Very revealing, glad you posted this info.
Thanks Tim! I had to break this up. I’m cutting down two fulls days of work into 3 videos. I appreciate Ed and Wayne. They’d like your channel!
@@JustMoparJoe I do like 318willruns channel.
Those guys know their stuff. Enjoyed listening to them as they examined the heads. Looking forward to rest of the videos in this series.
Thanks Todd! They are good guys for sure!
Fantastic episode joe! It really is a amazing to see a machinist perspective on a off the shelf head. Really shows what happens with mass produced parts. Great video, Learned a lot of about what machinist look at.
Thanks Duddie! I believe Ed may watch some of Duddies adventure videos!
@@JustMoparJoe Heck Yeah! Just make sure he sets his expectations low...
I know that Blake was one of the likes on this comment 😂
@@JustMoparJoe HAHAHAHAHA
Thanks to the gentleman for doing all of this with you. Crazy respect for their experience and knowledge. Can I be like a shop dog and just hangout and take in all the little conversation of those guys. Just too cool. Thanks Joe for bringing us along. 👍
I told them they need cameras all around just to watch their work and banter! We had a blast for two days. I was taking it all in! Thanks Stan!
@@JustMoparJoe I barely can change a tire and I’m jealous of what you experienced. Very cool 2 days
Awesome video Joe. I have learned more about heads in this first video then I have in my entire life. Thanks and keep them coming.
Thanks brother! Please check out part 2! Many machine shops want to keep you uneducated so they can over charge you. Not Ed!
Cool video. Very interesting to watch, good job guys! Devils advocate: nothing is going to be perfect. If a person wanted this time spent on perfecting heads, they'd be $5,000 and nobody would buy them at all. It's all relative. Mass production parts of any type equal imperfection, that's the nature of it.
Well said! The fear of not being able to run a brand new head on your engine shouldn’t exist with any aftermarket aluminum fully assembled head. What can we do, but check it?
listening to the two machinists is better than a a week in school. they pull no punches and have the actual performance in mind
Ed has a channel now! th-cam.com/channels/g6kuGvzaDFlvCJCUwRWjwg.html
Excellent video flat out. these guys know what they are doing. It goes to show big money out a box may not quite be what expected. I sent my '65 383, 1 OE head and one '68 head to a machine shop I happened to find out about. He flat out loved getting to see an untouched relic. He was surprised he found 0 differences between the 3 year spread of the heads. Me good with stock heads cause me not building a shiny looksie race engine. Just an old Mopar ground pounder and they took the Mopar double springs without extra grinding.
Thanks for sharing Jerry! Would it have had the 346 castings and closed chambers?
@@JustMoparJoe How did you guess? The heads also already had hardened exhaust seats. And I know this engine and heads very well. I pulled the engine out of my '65 Sport Fury. I pulled the other head off of a '68 440 to put on my 383 after I over heated it so bad an exhaust seat dropped from warpage. Block and heads were virgin never been touched.
@@jerryfarmer5989 here it was th-cam.com/video/V6_pwMvqncE/w-d-xo.html
i have performer rpm heads on my 440, that needed $600 worth of work 2 years ago . had them in a box in my closet since the early 2000's guess even then they needed work lol
Oh man! I figured they were better back then!
Very informative and excellent video. Great content. Those guys know their stuff. Thanks for doing this and sharing the knowledge. Keep it coming, for sure!!
Thanks Terry! They’d love your cars! I’m certain you could swap some stories.
@@JustMoparJoe that would be great to meet and chat with these gents and you!!
Man that's got to be tough dropping hard earned dough on shiny new parts expecting it to be right and then finding out it needs completely gone thru costing even more money. Hey I appreciate you letting a legit shop scrutinize your heads. Kinda makes a guy wanna find some cheap iron 915s, 452s, 906s, even 516s and just let a competent shop familiar with the brand completely go thru them.
Very true! Ed can make some stock heads really do well. He is doing a set of 915’s soon. Should be up on his channel. Ed’s Machine
@@JustMoparJoe OK great! I would like for a competent shop like Ed's who is familiar with Mopars do a step-by-step all out rebuild and port job on some 452s, since they're probably still the most plentiful and affordable. With before and after flow bench results. It seems like the shop who know what their doing even on other brands tend to like products from Ferrea, Isky, Erson, Elgin. I like to know who they prefer for cams, springs, valves etc. Also I just subbed!
Its a good thing you know those guys. They really know there stuff. I was told Trickflow is the way to go for racing. Id love to have them do my MW heads.
Wayne was a max wedge guy! He was showing pictures of his old cars. Let me know if you want the contact information. They stay busy because they know their stuff.
I got a set of brodix bsb1 heads and out of box they were great!! Ran em 4 ever.
Absolutely. You definitely got what you paid for!
Great video Joe! Great to see these heads compared! Great information! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Mitch! I was just telling Lunar Bryan, he may want to stick with his factory heads for his 440.
man I need a good mopar machine shop/ cylinder heads shop like that! those guys know their shit!
Those guys have a lot of knowledge. Very interesting Joe. Lots of debris in the valve guides.
Yes sir. They are old school and knowledgeable. Ed can make some factory castings flow as well.
Please thank Ed and Wayne for us 👍🇺🇲
Will do! He is on TH-cam! He will see your appreciation!
This is great stuff! I’ve read and heard from pros how nice the Trick Flows are but of course nothing is perfect and EVERYTHING should be checked lol. I think if the E Streets will meet your needs, putting a little more money into them is a good way to go. 20 years ago a Chevy buddy of mine had his new Edelbrocks checked out by a reputable shop and they found the same things your guys did so, nothing new there! Looking forward to the next two videos and your plans for the 400 block build! Happy New Year Joe!
Thanks Ron! I think 500-550 hp from a stock stroke 400 should do it! Introduction for that engine coming soon!
Man you should go out and buy a lottery ticket because you lucked out when you met Ed and Wayne. I’m a little envious right now!
Counting my blessings! Check out my hidden horsepower video not long after this. Ed decks my block and explains it all.
@@JustMoparJoe I'm geeking out on all the videos, thanks man
Cool video Joe, never seen the heads being tested before. great info on quality of today's aftermarket heads. thanks
Thanks brother! Glad you caught it! Part 2 shows the trick flows. Its cool to see the differences!
@@JustMoparJoe You’re welcome. I will check out the other video when I got a second. Now all you need is a Hemi, my buddy has about six or seven, I should hook you up with him he owns the Nostalgia Pro stock association.
Man that’d be awesome! But there’s a reason I don’t have one 💰
@@JustMoparJoe he just offered me a 383 too build. I may take him up on that. He is restoring roy hills pro stock car now, that was built by Pettys. He also has a few hemis from Petty.
Impressive! 383’s are awesome! Many Mopar guys would pick them over the 440. I’d love to see your work on it!
Outstanding video and great knowledge. These guys know their stuff. The detail and depth of info is very valuable. Its good to know we still have guys like these to share their wisdom and expertise. Thanks Joe for having the insight to make these videos!!
Thanks Terry!
good stuff Joe , I've got trick flow heads on my engine, and didn't have any trouble with them for over20 years... until the champion plug threw an electrode thru the valve
We both share that champion hate! Happy New Year Shane!
This is great stuff. I was always told you should get new heads checked but it's nice to actually see why, and what to look for. Thanks so much for this!
Thanks brother. I knew they’d need work, but man.
Personally choose to use iron heads and have BES prepare them depending what I do with them. Even though it costs money to tweak stock heads, I am amazed how much work needs to be done (including cleaning and deburing) these aluminum heads out of the box. The dents in the castings is alarming. I am glad Edelbrock is an American company, but for the money charged this is not right. Thanks for the video, now I know what to look for.
Irons are good. Have an issue? You can grab another and start over. Thanks brother
Man ! extremely informative video my heads are coming from performance injection equipment in Delaware, my engine builder says he wants to check the heads before he installs them. (Doesn’t matter where they come from) Now I understand why he says that. Happy new year to all the Mopar heathens out there !
Thanks Rob! Your truck is awesome and deserves an engine that matches it! Happy New Year
man, I'de love to spend a day or 2 soaking up those guys knowledge
Another lesson well explain never realized about that Ridge for the money you would think that you should be able to bolt right on your engine pretty interesting valuable lesson would hate to have a blown head gasket always smart to check things out
Thanks Keith. I usually use a Sandpaper roll for cast iron heads on that chamber edge. You won’t recognize the Edelbrocks now!
Now that was educational!!
Thanks James! Part 2 is just as much!
Wow , Joe ! Learned a lot ./ those guys are awesome . Can't wait for more vids . thanks !
Thanks Tom! Sorry I had to cut it short. Next video may be more than 20 minutes!
Vital knowledge for proper Mopar power!
Thanks brother!
Having gone from TF 270s to Edelbrock RPMs, you can see why I made fun of the quality of the Edelbrocks on my tear down video. They make a good point of check everything before running either head. Gary just got my RPMs done. Would love to get some pictures but I think he has the engine back together already.
Definitely checking is good. Video 2 showcases the trickflows. Always know the Savage is getting close!
Really appreciate what your doing here.
Thanks Wayne!
Thanks Joe for the video.
I appreciate it!
IT'S SHOULD ALSO BE MENTIONED THAT THE TRICKFLOWS HAVE A FACTORY VALVETRAIN GEOMETRY
Cool! I got them to measure the thicknesses of both heads for part 2!
The Estreets should work good for you Joe. Big difference in price.
I hope so. They’ve been deshrouded, chambers polished, bowls blended and getting a 3 angle. Those are the heads going on my 400 build.
AND THE 270'S ARE EVEN BETTER
Would be great to see about how much it would roughly cost to bring the Estreet heads up to the perfomance of the Trick Flow heads. Good stuff Joe !!! Happy New Year to you and your family !!! Thanks for these videos !!
Thanks brother. Glad to help!
Good I miss NWA
Great views and info!! So obviously bolt on heads out of the box don't exist...very frustrating.
You know it!
Hello Joe , thank you for sharing your work. I have a set of performers for sbf and they also came with the same problems you found in your castings.
It took me many hours to correct these discrepancies and still not completely satistied . It is a shame that the quality of the products of this iconic company is taking a dump.
Next time I will buy AFR
I believe that. I wish AFR had some for Mopars. My Edelbrocks are unrecognizable now.
What bore was the head gasket used to scribe on the E Street? Also just some feedback: the editing left some topics of conversation with no context, not sure if accidental or on purpose
Thanks for the question. The gasket was a standard felpro they keep for torque plate honing. It’s been expanded already, so is a good template for marking. Some stuff in the video weren’t introduced because they are common practices for shops. Checking head Cc’s, vacuum testing ports, etc. The majority of things in video 1 will be repeated in video 2. Most guys watching this would want to see how these heads measure up before spending the money. Hopefully hat helps 👍🏼
Nice video Joe!
I love this topic! Funny I just posted a video on the B1 Brodix cylinder head platform over on my tiny little channel.
Thanks for posting Joe
Great video very informative!
More info to come! Thanks John!
Indy 295....big power
Yes they are. But it’s kinda like Goldilocks. Some heads are too hot, some too cold, and others are inexpensive enough for me to use on a stock stroke 400 streetcar build.
Love Mopar but if money wasn't a obstacle I would run Predator head even on my lawnmower lol it's great that we have such a wide range of head we can invest in even down to 440 source stealth heads thanks Joe.
Thanks Jerry
that Wayne guy sounds super smart, most of them are!
😂 he went to a professional porting school. Built more engines than most!
What about Indy EZ-1?
I have a set. Ed has not reviewed them yet
👍💪
Thanks buddy
That 1400 a pair or per head?
For the pair! But they had some issues to make them right.
Have you checked out promaxx heads. I’ve got a set of small block Mopar maxx series (basically like the edelbrock performers) that I disassembled to check things over and I was pretty happy with the quality so far. I might make a video to share and help inform other Mopar fans as there’s not much info online about them.
I’ve seen their stuff online, but never in person. It’s good to get the word out.
Good stuff. I would like to see an inspection on a set of 440 Source Stealth Heads.
I just happen to have a set! They’re about a year old and only ran for a short time
@@JustMoparJoe That's great, I'm thinking about a set on my stock Roadrunner 383.
Thats just another reason to piss me and other people off especially if we saved up all yearbor what have ya and buy a set of aluminum heads and theres that much crap wrong with them. I have multiple people tell me if I chose aluminum heads to just stick with truck flow . I'm going to be cleaning up a set of non emission J heads with 2.02 valves . I also watch David Vizards channel. Great stuff Joe
Thanks! Even the trick flows had a dented corner. I’ll go over them next video.
I hope you do a review of other lower cost BB heads, like the Stealth, the Pro Comp/Speedmasters, and the Promaxx. I might have to cut up a pair of 452s and learn how to port them myself. I'm poor, but retired, so I got plenty of time.
I just got a lightly used set of 440 sources. I will get them to Ed sometime and check them out
@@JustMoparJoe I look forward to that. I'm retired with a disability now, so my income is low. I'll probably never be able to get aluminum heads. But for my street oriented 383, I probably don't need em. 400hp would be more than enough.
@@JustMoparJoe Hey, while I got her attention, Joe: My 383 and 727 are both from a low mileage 67 Newport. Both bone stock. I'd like to hop it up just a bit, but according to my catalogs, all the cam kits are for 68 and up, and so are the shift kits, torque converters, etc. Why?? If I can't get parts to make them faster, I might as well sell them and get a 360. My project is a 71 Satellite, currently equipped with the factory 318 (cracked block), 904, and 8.25 with 2.76 gears. If I go with a 360, I can keep the lame trans and rear end for a while.
EDDY MAKES AWESOME BOAT ANCHOR HEADS
They do. But these will be jewels once they leave E and D machine. Thanks Wayne. Happy New Year
WOW!!! I have seen the shrouding and the lack of gasket matching of the chamber and the sharp points between the valves and even seats that were set too deep into the heads, but all that trash left in the guide and tell your customers to go from the box to the engine!! There is alllways room for improvement, but leaving trash is insane!! Why not roll the stem in grease and sand before boxing them up?!?!?!?! I cant wait to see the TF machine work now.. I'm hoping the 400 will go big stroke.. I love a stroked low deck.... Happy New Year, Joe!!
Thanks Steve. I am saving my stroker crank for my racecar. This will be a 7,000 rpm stock stroke roller engine for my dart sport.
"Yes, you're getting a valve job" lol
And he meant it!
A 512 STROKER, MID RANGE CAM, GOOD STREET MANNERS/VACUUM, IDLE NICE AND NOT OVERHEAT,MINIMAL CRANK CLEARANCING NEEDED, ABSOLUTE BEAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love it! I’m building a Similar engine in a series on the channel in the next months. He’s going with Indy heads. I have heads and 440 source bottom end here. Waiting on cam .
Great video, Joe. I, unfortunately, have those heads on my motor and the motor was dynoed with. I haven't driven it. After watching this, it is kinda making me sick.
Oh wow! Can you share your numbers? Even if you email me what your setup is. Justmoparjoe@gmail.com. I will say this, if you bought yours before the pandemic, it’s likely they could be better quality.
Bought my Eddy Victor MW heads a number of years ago (at least 6) but still haven’t taken them out of the box; now I’m almost afraid to!
Holy cow! Ed had me unbox all heads on site. If he left them in box, and opened them in a few weeks, then he could get blamed for any damages. I’m sure they’re better quality being pre pandemic!
They aren’t too far from me. I’d rather drive a little further knowing I’ll get my heads gone through
Good idea! Even the trick flows need checked by a reputable shop!
HAPPY NEW BEERS JOE FROM WESTERN CANADA -41C THIS MORN
That’s too cold! Cheers! Have a Coors beer with me.
@@JustMoparJoe budlight
That’s made from Arkansas grain!
I’ve heard edelbrock quality has gone way down hill over the past number of years. If you want to see power numbers for big block Mopar heads check out engine masters on motor trend. They compared stock 906 vs 440 source aluminum vs edelbrock performer vs trick flow. Each step up made another 20 hp. Cast iron 460 hp, all the way up 520hp on the trick flows based on their combination.
I’ve seen them all. Definitely trying to learn as I go. I was wanting a cheap replacement and decent power over a stock head. The Edelbrocks do that, but they need work. Part two is out now.
I WANT 270'S FOR MY 512 STROKER, MY EDDY RPMS ARE TOO SMALL
The 240’s look nice, but they aren’t as nice as the 270’s. Ed showed me differences in both.
HAPPY NEW YEAR JOE
MOPAR OR NO CAR
Mopar to the front!
You get what you pay for!
This is true. Now I will pay for aftermarket porting, valve job, and machining. But I do know where it’s all taking place!
Damn its pretty sad how bad things are getting made and put together these days.The auto parts stores are about worthless now really. I have learned to rebuild everything myself because of this.poor craftsmanship and manufacturing. Before I decided to rebuild everything myself I would walk into auto parts store and buy something walk out the door turn around and walk back inside and have them to check the new part. It shouldn't be that way it should be quality or nothing or. 10 year waiting list. I would rather be on a 10 year waiting list then to get something that I payed good money for and have to work on it. Hey how is the flashlight and how is the QC and manufacturing on it!??!
Flashlight is great! Had it in action a few times now. But you get what you pay for!
@@JustMoparJoe cool man, the flashlight is bright isn't it, you figured out the User interface yet? That's what made really got interest up in the brand was from off I can double tap and be on turbo, hold the button down from off be in moonlight or press it normally and be in your most used lumen level. Not many flashlights have that ability from off to get to everything quickly without cycling through other brightness levels. I mean when you needing to use moonlight mode it's usually because your trying to have minimal light so flashlight it through 2000 lumens kinda defeats the purpose lol.
The exact reason I always tried to just purchase completely bare castings as cheap as possible because the time and effort you place into what you think is an already finished head is two different worlds .
They ( the finished heads straight from the chin-foo manufacturer) are great for the fools that pissed the money away to think they are buying something to slap on a car to look cool, think they are making power and selling the car to another moron , is just foolish pricing for little false gain.
I’ll stick to ancient stage v and cast iron.
If my 511 can make 720hp with ‘78 castings than you can too !
Hah, like a sales pitch.
By the way, even though the X block 400s that I used for my engines were very low mileage blocks they too required almost .024” decking to square off, so I cannot imagine what the standard blocks tweaked to .
This one took nearly .019 on one side and around .011 on the other. It’s within .0005 between sides now.
Cool stuff. Too wide valve margins....sharp edges are bad....flow killers.
And cured!
@@mrbillpurcell6203 , Me? 😆😆😆
No expert here. Just pretending to have commonsense.
first view and comment sweet
Winner winner!
TOP END OILING IS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY BETTER ON THE TRICKFLOWS
That is interesting! These had an oil hole about half the size as the Edelbrocks. I try to show it next video! Cheers!
@@JustMoparJoe the perfect build is a 512 stroker kit, 1/2" pick up, mid range cam , torker intake, trickflows,1050 holley or similar, race balance crank,10.5-1, 600hp ish and idle nice without overheating
@@JustMoparJoe i run a 22" rad in a 70 chall and blackmagic elec fans,alum rad, i believe the fans are 3200 cfm,8 3/4 3:55 gear,275/60/15,2800 tci ,trans built to 600hp, i can stay with a hellcat for 3-4 gears
@@JustMoparJoe as you probably already know, mopars suffer from lack of oil up top, its important to open up/debur the galleys for longevity
EDDY CARBS ARE JUNK TOO
Wayne my man! Edelbrocks aren’t junk. They are just better used on the street. Todays gas kills them, but staying ethanol free helps!
I think Vic Edelbrock needs to know that his machinists are SCREWING HIS CUSTOMERS AND HIS NAME AND PRODUCT!
I thought he had died?
Eddy’s have a flow tolerance of around 15-18% off advertised numbers. After watching this, I proclaim that Edelbrock heads are junk. Stay factory, or get good cnc heads, middle ground is about gone.
Your proclamation is noted. When these Edelbrocks leave that shop, they’ll be superb. Check out part 2 if you get a chance. Happy New Year, Will.
Great to hear from engine machining experts. Lots of mods needed for those E streets. I wonder how 440Source heads compare?
Thanks brother. I will let Ed chime in here if he sees your question. I haven’t had any 440 source heads. Heard mixed reviews on them and figured I’d try this “name” brand edelbrock 😳 Happy New Year brother!
@@JustMoparJoe I've seen from other reviews that the E Street heads have significant flaws in comparison to the RPMs, despite them being the same casting. They said the valves and springs were lower quality, as was the machining.