Hiro said in interviews that he got sick and tired of making the villains of Fairy Tail as sympathetic as possible, so he made these ones as the most despicable menagerie of creatures you'll ever witness, that way the observers can tap-dance on their ashes. I hope the whole world celebrates when Shura is put to ground at long last. Illega, Jamilov/Spider, Madame Kurenai, Dr. Muller and Cure are all "Complete Monsters".
It wouldn’t hurt to have a sympathetic villain but we’ll probably get that in the returned demon king in this newest arc. Though I like that some of the side villains and some main villains are shown to be just as evil as they act; gets a little diversity in there that not everyone has some tragic backstory, is being controlled, or otherwise is a good person thinking they’re doing the right thing.
@@ThatAnimeSnob more like not every villain has to have some sobstory or big reason why they’re doing this; sometimes it can be as simple as just wanting some slaves / furniture like illega or just enjoying killing people. I mean sometimes someone could be like GMG Minerva becuase that’s just how they are and not becuase as a kid they were hurt blah blah blah. For example in redo of healer manga bullet / Brett got a backstory; it simply reinforced what readers already thought of him rather then try to give some reason or make him sympathetic why he was evil.
To be honest Eden's zero fixed pretty much all problems i had with Ft. The think i love the most about EZ is how creative Mashima gets with different planet , worlds. Some of them are so beautifull to look at .
its great stuff, why i hate this series gets so much hate, this isn't rave or fairy tail, you can tell that Mashima listen to backlash, and finally improving his work, Eden Zero will be his best work
@@kyotheman69 Apparently Mashima is using a different approach when it comes to planning out the story. With Fairy Tail he would think up the beginning and ending of an arc, then fill in the rest as he went. This style is actually very common and is a good way of approaching writing, but only if you're capable of connecting certain elements together to make it so it doesn't break established canon. With Eden Zero though he supposedly outlines not only the beginning and ending, but certain plot crucial details and aspects that connect the current story to previous arcs.
@@alvinbanaag7193 he works too hard for monthly manga in that he says he himself isn’t good when he’s not doing anything so he does everything he can constantly and he’s pretty organized. Also he does get pretty out their but that’s the charm of the sci fi fantasy
I also love how it's pretty much a direct parody of "power of friendship" trope people hate from Fairy Tail, since pretty much everyone tells him "shut up, that's not how the world works". And he slowly learns that they are mostly right, it isn't how the world works.
Thank God someone is talking about Edens Zero seriously. I've been trying to explain to my buddies that it's not just Fairy Tail in space. That it's literally the result of Hiro Mashima boil down all the best parts of his past series and throwing it all together, but only a few of them has listened.
Anyone who thinks Mashima is lazy are beyond delusional. At the end of 2019 he made 3 manga at once for 10 weeks straight. No one else has ever done that to my knowledge.
One thing I've noticed is that even people who hated Fairy Tail actually really enjoy Eden's Zero. ChibiReviews himself praises it a lot actually so it's nice to see people give Mashima a sort of second chance in the Grand space of things
I'm one of those people. I never really liked fairy tail, but dude eden zero is way better than ft. Also i like how he hiro mashima's character design as a fan of rave master I've no complain going into ft at first till i dropped it after the grand magic games. People should think of his character designs as actors with different roles for different stories. Eden Zero is now one of my favorite manga! Glad he learned from his past mistakes with ft.
it feels to me like this is the actual realization of his potential, he developed the characters, art, worldbuilding, themes and plot a lot more than in Fairy Tail at least, it seems like he fixed most of my complaints and reasons to dislike the series the only thing is the reused designs wich kind of bothers me, seems like a cheap way to get your previous audiences back in and skip some of the work you'd have to do getting people attached to the new stuff
@@ivello Theres actually a explanation for the reused designs. Mashima is thinking up his characters sorta like Osamu Tezuka and Go Nagai uses their characters where they are sorta retellings or in a shared universe or a non cannon crossover.
I personally think the way hiro's artstyle looks is very unique and distinct and the way he reuses the designs of certain characters makes you think all of his works are connected in some way or another, it's ignorant for people to just assume he's lazy when he can easily make new designs and is constantly working on manga
Mashima's style certainly is easy to recognize, but he also tents to reuse the same body-model over and over again, which actually can cause issues in the manga version of things. An example is that in the final arc, for a time, Zeref looked almost exactly like Grey, so when the website screwed up and I saw this image before the context, I was very confused... Mashima usually makes enough effort with hair, eyes and clothing to hide that though, but sometimes it can cause issues.
@@GameBreaker1055 yes, I agree, the bodies he’s draw look very similar to each other. There are some characters with different body types, like Laxus, but I can’t really think of a lot of other characters with different looking body models
Mashima's stories are like watching movies made with the same actors but different plots every time, It's honestly pretty cool how he does change the characters even though they do seem to be similar to their old ones.
It’s bizarre how some people complain about the character designs looking the same in some way when that’s something that all manga creators do in some way shape and form. The physical appearance is the same but not the personality, we should all already know this by now. Also this series freaking rules!
I'm convinced that anyone who tries to flame Mashima for having "Similar looking characters" have never seen Toriyama's artwork outside of Dragon Ball (The Dragon Quest games and Chrono Trigger for example). Or any of a mangaka's other works/projects for that matter.
Actually he reuses designs because of Masami Kurumada, check him out, a manga legend. He reuses character designs for characters in similar roles, the star system if memory doesnt fail me. Add: also aparently the star system was created by ozamu tezuka, but since Mashima generation was heavily influented by kurumada and toryama, Im willing to bet he learned that from him.
like literally have they seen one piece after the animation got upgraded with various characters that looked pretty different from nami being dumb down to nami with a different hair color in terms of design
Honestly I’m not saying Fairy Tail was perfect but it wasn’t nearly as bad as some anime youtubers say it was and it’s spin off/sequel series is pretty good. It’s interesting to hear that Edens Zero seems to be more darker and edgier in a good way and kinda of a combination of Mashima’s two previous series, it’s so dumb there are people making assumptions and hate without really giving it a chance that’s not how you judge something dammit.
Yeah that is my main gripe with the “anime community” as a whole. If it’s something really popular and is a must watch, unless I am already reading or watching it beforehand, my expectations grow way too high and I know for a fact they can’t be met. Which is why shit like Jojos and HXH I can’t actually enjoy because people have set the bar way too high and I know they can’t be reached. So I have to pass on them. On the flip side when people are just mass hating on something I have to play Devil’s advocate and see if what they say is true or if the series has some merit. And usually they do. And is why in this year before it ends I want to get through all of Fairy Tail and judge the series on my own. Throwing out the biases like from Joey or KOL out the window.
@@jacobfoxfires9647 bro. as someone who is both a fairy tail and jojo fan, you should definitely watch/read jojo. you won't regret it (as long as you stay away from the fandom a bit)
@@darkpinkgirl6684 No. It is EXACTLY those kind of statements that will keep on raising that bar even more. I really wish I could disregard all the thousands of people that already suggest it, but I know that can't happen and it just makes it guaranteed I will be disappointed.
@@jacobfoxfires9647 Then allow me, as a current Jojo watcher (I'm on part 5, as we speak) to guarantee some level of enjoyment. Its not as grandiose as the fandom makes it seem, and part 1 is a DRAG to get through. But once you get past that, you learn to appreciate the absurdity and references (assuming you're knowledgeable on 80's bands and songs).
People do need to give Eden zero a chance mashimo is a good manga artist the only reason why he reuses characters and designs is he loves putting Easter eggs and shit, it's like his own personal calling card when it comes to his manga.
Not reused designs, it's the art style that take time to grow. Only few characters are based on previous work, but even they are different in their profile too.
Mashima stated many times that one of his biggest inspirations as an author are video games like Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy and that he wants his works to be seen similar to them. In Final Fantasy for example every game has its own distinct setting, with its own characters, story, worldbuilding and themes, but there are many things that are universal to the series as a whole(monsters, spells, summons, jobs, chocobos, moogles, a man named Cid that is connected to airships). For example Plue and Happy can be compared to Mog, who appears in games like FF6, FF9 or FF13-2 but in all of them he is a distinct character with its own backstory and personality.
I want a Final Fantasy Cid Pollendina: What did the diver say this time?! Kramer: I don’t know AlBhed! Cidolfus: You fix the machines. I will handle the monsters 15: Not alone you won’t... [cocks shotgun]
I dont project Hate or anything like that, the reaccuring Character-Designs. As is absolutely naturally. Also, all defenses bought up in this video are pretty much invalided by simple, obvious logic... Even Just Stop basically says 'he doesnt care', which, intentional or not, implies that you can either not care aka being ignorant to the Issue OR you do have an Issue with the Issue. Duh?
When people say mashima is lazy, they have absolutely no idea that he draws all day, and is a complete workaholic. Hell he had three manga going on at one point, and all of them made the deadline. He worked so hard that he was forced to take a break, and it was only for a day before he got back working, so forgive the man for using the same designs
The EZ hate is to be expected and it’s either intentional by Mashima or pure luck. The fact people are going into this thinking it’s just FT in space are in for a treat, Mashima is now self aware of what people didn’t like about his other series. It goes through loops and even keeps throwing us in loops. At the point where the manga is I couldn’t even call it Fairy Tail 2.0 because how much it’s gone through
@@Ineedgames WEll I admit I haven't read the mang yet... But I have watched the first like.... 8 episodes of the anime or something. And so far it does NOT make a good first impression, because it DOES feel exactly Fairy Tail in space..... And seeing as they spend seemingly half of each episode raving about friendship it also DOES appear to be just another friendship manga.... Which is somethign that is WAY overplayed in the creator's works. I don't mind friendship... But it feels like half of the time that is all they can talk about.... And yeah... First impressions DO matter!
@@Feyrbrand31 There's no denying it's a friendship series. But that's like every shonen series ever. The series does get more darker down the road with its story telling though. Like during their battle with Draken Joe.
Eden's zero just makes me incredibly happy, it really feels like I'm reading fairy tail again, but it's just so much better and well put together. The characters are familiar, but so much more interesting, the world is more immersive and dynamic, and the story is really intriguing. This is just such a good series, I'd highly recommend anyone to pick this up. Sadly, I have to agree with your criticisms. People either only give a damn about fairy tail and don't wanna pay attention to anything else mashima does cause FT was never something you had to use your brain for. Or people despise FT and never wanna give eden's zero a chance even when they're NOTHING alike. This is one of the best shounen out right now, and really shows mashimas talent with characters, worlds, comedy, and so much more. And his genius when it comes to stories. I don't remember any shounen before this one taking such a dark turn and capitalizing on modernization. Everyone wants to hate until they see how much of a king mashima is.
" Eden's zero just makes me incredibly happy, it really feels like I'm reading fairy tail again " Pretty funny thing to say while JS tries to deny them beeing the "same" show. Also "just a good series" is pretty bad when you can watch 3-6 amazing series each season.
@Hawkknight97 mashimas fanbase is fairly passive so these anitubers wouldn't get as much backlash as they would for shitting on OP or DBZ talking shit generates views afterall
Yeah and considering that DBZ is actually the one with the most problems out of them all. But people are hypocrites and love DBZ and hate Fairy Tail eventhougth DBZ has even more problems for decades.
@@arminarlert7273 the problem with mashima series and other series too is that people don't pay attention to the writing or power systems and talking shit generates more views so they have no reason too
Mashima deserves more love man , he devotes so much time into creating amazing stories, interesting characters and fun world's that readers and anime watchers would love to be in, yes there are flaws to be found. But WHAT ANIME DOESN'T HAVE FLAWS????, so can we just stop the Mashima hate wave for a second, let's appreciate this man the same way we appreciate Oda.
This made me so happy! Eden's Zero is so good and it gets so much hate for no reason. I'm glad someone's talking about some good points why this series works! I saw this manga at my local comic bookstore in 2019 and fell in love with the different feel of the world or Galaxy.
I hate how people claim "it gets hate for no reason". Even JS said main reasons are copy pasting charakters, lazy writing and weak plot where power of friendship does way to much.
I'd argue against Drakken's first scene suggesting him to be "morally ambiguous" because Drakken didn't just stop at breaking the dude's mouth, but put him to work as a slave so he could keep bleeding him dry of every drop of money (and lifeforce) he's worth. Rather, I think it's more accurate to say Drakken _thinks_ he's a morally grey figure when we can plainly see he's nothing short of a human parasite. That is its own very special kind of scummy villainy, and I hope more analysts will start giving this show a watch at least for that.
Exactly! He's a predatory loan shark, his closest real world equivalent being the Yakuza. He doesn't kill people, but not because he thinks killing is wrong, but because he views everyone around him as tools to make money. I agree with the core premise that he's an amazing villain.
Plus he wouldn't kill people out to satisfy is violence if he doesn't get his money back or what he wants, He's the kind of villain who wants to show fates worst than deaths. Plus he only kills if people were to refuse bowing to his authority, Some of his men betrays him by helping the enemy or even if you sell out his name while being beaten by people beneath him.
I've been reading it since Ch. 1 released I still read it when the new chapter gets released. Also, Witch is best girl, followed by Homura, then Pino. I have spoken
@@kyotheman69 I personally would watch it even if the main character wasn’t good cuss the rest of the characters are very well written and enjoyable as well but your absolutely right shiki is a great main character and he’s my favorite character in the series which is weird cuss my favorite characters in anime are never the main character 😅
Another big point is : Fairy Tail- nothing planned aside from character stories Rave master: everything fully planned Edens zero: story planned out but left open for changes or adda
@@pallasdiana4206 yeah, but I haven't watched it yet, been too busy watching the Rebuild of Evangelion Tetralogy today, now I'm watching Promare...again, what can I say, I love Studio Trigger
So quick to judge when the characters from Eden's Zero look like the characters from Fairy Tail. Since I'm a huge fan of Fairy Tail, I'm excited to see what else Mashima is capable of when it comes to Eden's Zero.
@@angelic_writer the first half of the first season is releasing on the 26th on netflix. Its only gonna be the first 12 episodes, so it might be the best time to start without feeling too overwhelmed.
It's funny how everyone complains about Eden's Zero recycling character designs, yet noone bats an eye when Naomi Urasawa does it (the best mangaka of all, imo)
So one Mangaka I never heared of recycling character designs, in a show you can not name and thats why it is ok for everyone else? Maybe go complain about her as well then.
Myanimelist is the physical manifestation of everything wrong with the anime community, so I don't doubt that the score is that low for those reasons. Great video BTW. Currently reading Rave, and I love all of mashima's works.
“My animelist is everything wrong with the anime community” By that logic peoples opinions on full metal achlemist demon slayer and mha are wrong because those are always topping the list. It’s the collective opnion of peoples ideas bro you can’t just say it’s wrong.
I’d recommend people read EZ the art is more impressive then FT. I’m still waiting for a dub release for EZ anime. But EZ is very underrated, manga sells show that, the recent vol only sold 40k +. EZ has yet to find a Mainstream audience in Japan. That being said read Ez. The art is great, the character design are very good, the fan service is there. And the story is very impressive. I really appreciate this video. Because I thought it was odd that the mainstream anime community wasnt discussing it which is bizarre. Now i see why. Ez isn’t JJK or TR but it is a very soild fun story.
Yes I agree completely on this!! 😭I wish it got more mainstream but at the same time maybe this is a nice comfy spot were the fandom doesn’t get too toxic and messed up cuss of how big it is it’s just a nice fandom were everyones nice to each other from what I’ve seen from Twitter, Instagram and TH-cam, so maybe it’s a good thing that it’s not mainstream 😅but personally aside I think Edens zero is more than solid it has a lot of things that I think make it more than an average good series and two of those reasons are because of how good the interactions are cuss they feel very real and the second reason is cause of belial gore that arc was better than a lot of shounen arcs in anime I’ve seen and read and I think it proves that Edens zero is not only a better competitor to fairytail but to other shonen series out there imo. And I totally agree with the art style I thought fairytail had amazing art style and it did but comparing it with Edens zero the art style is not only improved and amazingly good but it’s also consistently good which is impressive since mashima is always so busy! And last thing! 6 episodes are already out dubbed in animekisa it’s an illegal website if you don’t mind watching it there 😅or just wait for Netflix to drop it! It comes out in 5 days anyways lol
Mashima is smart by having similar character designs. It saves him time and is why he’s able to have multiple series ongoing at the same time. His fans can also recognize the characters and jump right into Mashima’s next manga. Some Mangaka aren’t able to have the same success after their big hit. A recent example is Kishimoto and Samurai 8.
A fellow shura fan. Pleasure to make your acquaintance. But seriously Shura has been awesome. Like you said he’s basically a dark reflection of Shiki and has done the most damage to him besides Drakken Joe (also goated villain). I can’t wait for their fight.
Too bad he'll just be defeated in this arc/saga and then we'll move on to the next big bad and never hear from him again😂🤦♂️...typical mishima writing
@@p.art.r1ck533 that’s shonen writing in general genius. Zabuza was killed in Naruto and never came back. Unless you count edo tensui. Same with every dragon ball villain minus frieza
The whole Mishima copy/paste thing is a moot point on haters part. Hey I love YuYu and I love HXH but let’s not pretend that Kewabara doesn’t look like Knuckle, or Hiei doesn’t look like a member of the phantom troupe, or Gon isn’t just yuskue with big hair and a smaller bod.
Osamu Tezuka, father of manga himself, often reused his character designs in his other works. He said that he treats them like actors who may appear in numerous stories but they play different characters. Hiroyuki Takei, author of Shaman King also reused the character of Itako no Anna in his works And let's not even start with Akira Toriyama and his strikingly similar designs across Dr Slump, Dragon Ball and Dragon Quest.
@@Justic_ i mean eh thats a bit different since its all in one piece. a better comparison would be toriyama using character designs for alot of his work
Eden's Zero really shows mashima's growth as both an artist and story teller. He found a tone he really wanted to do and improved upon it! With fairy tail, he wanted it to be more light hearted than rave master, and now in eden's zero, he wanted to do something darker and more morally gray (in a way). The thing is that he's DOING OTHER STUFF that was touched upon in his other series but now he gets to explore. And really with how Edens Zero is going, I love it. I wanna explore the worlds he's created. With Rave Master, I wanted everything to be okay and for things to become peaceful. With Fairy Tail, it was one long journey with characters I'd absolutely love to be friends with! And now Eden's Zero takes it up another notch of combining both and then escalating it to a galactic trip where ANYTHING can happen. Feel how you feel about his stories, I won't push you either way. But give it a chance and maybe you'll find an adventure of his you wanna follow and see through. Great video as always! I love the introspection and how you discuss his characters. Mashima is definitely strongest when writing relationships and how it affects the story.
As someone whose favourite anime used to he Fairy Tail, I can say that it was by no means perfect, whilst I'll always love Fairy Tail, I can't help but adore Edens Zero far more. I've always been a sci-fi guy than a magic man, heck I love Star Wars more than Harry Potter, so genre-wise this is up my alley. I also think Mashima has not only refined the ideas he displayed in Fairy Tail, which also introducing more to stop making Edens Zero from being "space Fairy Tail". I also like the power system more, as I think it just helps to make the characters more consistent in terms of power-scaling. I am glad to say Edens Zero is my new favourite anime and I cannot wait to see the next few arcs in the manga be animated and to see where else in the cosmos Mashima takes us
I dont project Hate or anything like that, the reaccuring Character-Designs. As is absolutely naturally. Also, all defenses bought up in this video are pretty much invalided by simple, obvious logic... Even Just Stop basically says 'he doesnt care', which, intentional or not, implies that you can either not care aka being ignorant to the Issue OR you do have an Issue with the Issue.
I do like Eden Zero, especially when it's an improvement compared to Fairy Tail. It does have problems here and there, but it's all in all good. My favorite part about the series is Ether Gear, as I love the concept of power systems within a series.
As someone who grow up with Fairy Tail loving it at first then dropped it later in life Eden Zero reuse design was not a good sign at first but 150+ in and I'm can proudly say I love Eden Zero Also Hermit best girl and hoping for Weiss x Hermit ship goes through
@@kurozunakabuto9682 Because he is a troll in need if attention, because his family does not give him enough attention, he needs to seek it somewhere else and feel important. Just ignore him this kinds of maggots aren't worth a person's time.
What it comes to mashimas series you can definitely see is history in all of them. Rave master was his gateway, in creating a story that got him credit in the Manga industry. And is a fantastic story overall. Fairytale in my opinion is his magnum opus. Has more of a different tone the most shonen and achieve something different that to my experience no other manga or anime series is able to replicate. And why does have its flaws sometimes it’s an amazing series overall And shot him up even further in the manga industry for better or for worse. And even the criticism he’s gone for fairytale he’s embrace that and fix those issues in not only 100 year quest, but also Eden zero. Which in my opinion seems like him mixing the tones of both of his series together with a couple of twists and make it something new. I haven’t seen it yet but I can’t wait to see what’s in the store. Great video
It's crazy how much shit he gets for character design when people praise toriyama for his when almost all his characters look and act the same in all his work but because they don't like fairy tail they ignore that same issue with their favorite anime proving most fans just hope on hate trains and will love whatever is popular
The fact you are comparing it to OP is a bit sus BUT ill have to actually watch EZ first. I gave Hiro Mashima a chance with FT, read up to 322 and I had enough of the power of friendship bs. The moment I see that on EZ im out.
@@Correctgistlover I look at it in comparison to how I've heard people talk about Fairy Tail being a poor One Piece clone, while Edens Zero is much more similar to it in comparison
Been reading almost two and a half years and Edens Zero consistently remains at least in my top 3 favourite chapters of the week every week since. Definitely my favourite manga I’m reading right now overall and has been pretty much since I started it. Anyone who isn’t willing to give it a chance is sorely missing out
@@jknetwork6211 it’s gotten a tad slow (though it seems to be picking up again now) but I’m enjoying it. Shura is a scumbag as most EZ villains are. Definitely very brutal and sadistic it seems. I like his design. A lot of people in the community think he could be related to Laguna somehow and I think that would be interesting. Looking forward to see how the situation unfolds!
THANK YOU FOR THIS. I really love Eden Zero. I really love fairy tail too but to me Eden Zero was a step up and had a lot to explore on! I couldn't converse with anyone about it nor my interest in it because of the fear that I would be brushed off. I honestly have a personal connection with Shiki with his drive to befriend as many people as they could due to the inability of not being able to in the past. I learned through him that it's okay that there are some that don't work out and there are some that stay, and that's okay.
Mashima reusing character designs is actually one of my favorite things about Edens Zero. I loved seeing Levy and team shadow gear in the background of the show and the reference that Rebecca has seen Fairy Tail. His logic behind the Chronophages are also unique over how time works without causing paradox.
I mean most people don't pay attention to power systems i've seen that in multiple series not just mashima series i seen people saying rebecca devoloping ether gear was an asspull despite the series explicitly stating the spa of edens being able to develop ether gear
I don't know what it is with people and consuming modern media today, but for some reason if information is spoon fed to its audience it means the writer is bad ar story telling, smh
@@cjthrasher5603 yeah I've heard conflicting rumors that the first season is 25 or 26 episodes which gets us to the end of the Sun Jewel arc. It is still airing in Japan, so I don't think they will release all of the dubbed episodes yet, maybe the first 12 or so.
Bro, I got some level of trauma from Drakken, it was terrifying, not in the fact he killed shiki (clearley some way or another he would be brought back), But in the psycological aspect! I mean, I've seen worst, but that deosn't make this one less scary, and when Shiki got the Over Drive after being triggered by the load gun sound, remembering his own death, was crazy! I see Drakken and I rememeber what happened, I'm scare on how are they gonna do that whenever a second season comes XD However, To some stent I still like Fairy Tail better because of the fun, light and hopefull feeling I get from it, I love the chaotic energy. I mean, for "Serious and logically realistic stories" (which are some of the main complains regarding FT) I have hundreds upon hundreds of other Animes, I like Fairy Tail because IT IS different; Is actully unique in its own way. But I know Eden's Zero is objectivly way better in the narrative, character development and adventure aspect. Is not a master piece or anything, but is better than Fairy Tail. I still don't care though, I like both! XD And funny enough, when Shura asked Shiki to be his friend I was like "OMG! WHAT!? Someone asked Shiki first!? What is he gonna do now!? 0.0" and the way Shiki rejected Shura was earned, he knows how to pick his friends now B)
CLAMP: *Reuses characters and designs in multiple works.* The General Public: Yes, mmmm, gorgeous, lovely, you're the best. Hiro Mashima:*Does the same thing* The General Public: Hack, disgusting, self-plagiarist, poopyhead, you're the worst.
The complaint about the similar character designs is especially ridiculous because Mashima isn't even the only person who does this. I've been reading the sequel to Seven Deadly Sins, Four Knights of the Apocalypse, which came out earlier this year. The main Character, Percival, looks like Meliodas from the original series. Another character looks eerily similar to Ban. This is mostly likely because the characters were all designed by the same artist in the same style. If you look up any two works by the same mangaka, you are bound to see similarities.
"Characters look similar to Fairy Tail's" And I'm like. "Duh, it's the same mangaka. Just about every manga character from the same creators are going to look the same." And I don't see these same people calling Oda a hack for making all of his female characters look the same.
I've read edens zero since chapter 1 released, i wasn't really into ft at the time but when his promotional image for the series was out i started to get hyped, i hadn't really read any manga either so i just went by what i remember really liking about what i watched of fairy tail at the time, the great caharacters, even after later the same summer getting more into fairy tail i was enjoying edens zero, and as it went on it just got better and better, i was kinda inconsistant in when i read newer chapters but having that extra edge of having chunks of chapters just means i got more into it, people brushing it off as a fairy tail clone kinda ticks me off because it's so much more than that, i love all three of mashima's big series to death and they're all unique from eachoter, while i do think the very beginning of edens is kinda similar to ft even then it's easy to tell it's something different, i really like how mashima is really planning things out like he knows exactly what'll happen and just keeps on expanding on things, i think by the end of the series it could definetly be his best work
Mashima’s reusing of designs reminds me of Osamu Tezuka’s star system with how Tezuka had various designs used across his series. Other than that, you have sold on this manga.
Yesss you talked about fairy tail n now you’re talking about Edens zero that’s great! I really loved Fairy Tail, and started reading edens zero over a year ago, and I’m so happy it’s getting an anime now, imma wait for it to all be out on Netflix. In Edens Zero, there’s been no random friendship power-ups so far, I’m happy that Mashima makes sure to use the criticism he receives. Edit: Also, I agree with the redesign thing you talked about. Yeah, he re-uses designs. Honestly idrc about that. I don’t get how people didn’t mind Ft using designs from Rave Master, but when he does it with EZ, everyone is angry all of the sudden. Although they look similar, and there are similar names, their personalities and relationships with one another are completely different. I honestly love Shiki way more than Natsu, he has way better development, and he tries works past the struggles his isolation has given him to form relationships with the good people he meets. Also, Homura is best girl.
You've convinced me! I kind of dropped Fairy Tail ages before it was finished and I don't really feel like trying to reread it anytime soon, but I did like the characters and there were a lot of interesting ideas I either liked or wish had been explored more or in a different way. It inspired me at times. Not sure why but I thought I couldn't read Edens Zero until I finished Fairy Tail lol, it's like my mind has been blowed to find out that wasn't a requirement lol. Anywho, I'm off to reading it now~
Bro as someone who is fully caught up with the manga this series is fucking god teir. It's some of mashima's best work plus I love the darker tones it delves into. definitely one of my new favorites for sure
Thats great. Sunjewel arc is great but the arc after that, is the best arc for me though, the latest arc in the manga has the pontential to steal the throne. ☺
@@baguette1363 Fairy tail gone downhill After Edolas Arc I still like it, Eden getting better with every arc I think it stupid that people hating on Eden zero not because it bad show that there character that look like fairy tail character.
Naoki Urasawa uses the same character design for every series. So he is supposed to be lazy? Why haven't the Anime Man or the Fornever guy talked about that?
also they said is their not favorite and don't have time to read the magna. This is why I dont really watch anime TH-camr anymore because they think their opinions matter more, then put the time for their research making video. just don't watch those guys anymore because they literally waste your time.
IMO the best thing about Mashima is the art, so when designs are resused it is disappointing. Urasawa's main draw is his writing. Which is why his series are so good: they are different stories.
I think people seem to forget that Hiro and WSM are business men and the whole point of a manga is to sale copies and other merchandise in order to make money They aren’t going to bend to the readers every whim and command and change something and potentially lose money by changing something that has worked for them since 1999 if something is selling well they don’t care if the designs are the same they are in the business to make money I mean this is Hiro’s 3rd series and both FT and EZ’s designs are taken from RM So people complain about the designs of the cast being the similar throughout all 3 of Hiro’s major series……BUT IT SALES🤷♂️ Even Chibi reviews said he can see why Hiro doesn’t change up the designs I’m not saying people aren’t allowed to have their opinions or anything if you don’t like it that’s cool and all I’m just saying the people in the business don’t care about your opinions as long as they make money they are content with their practices
6:34 it's not like half of the central cast were originally designed for Fairy Tail anyway, half of them appear in one of Hiro's earlier works, too. People just mad that he has designs that he likes. If we got mad about this shit, people should be mad at Toriyama for making all Saiyans look almost identical lmfao
I find it funny how so many people are hating on Hiro Mashima's work for the friendship power trope, seemingly random power jumps and simple protagonist then go back to reading/watching One Piece... I grew up watching reruns of the first season of One Piece on TV. One Piece was probably my main introduction into anime. I've seriously tried catching up to the anime and subsequently watched One Piece from the start to about half way through the Skypia arc. I've tried the same with the manga too. Reading/watching One Piece has always felt like a chore compared to any of Hiro Mashima's works.
I read the first 20 to 25ish or so chapters and then my interest just petered out. I really love Fairy Tail's round-about first half and when starting that series was drawn in right away, though I have to admit it fell off toward the end. But with Eden's Zero... it's not that I think it's bad or anything I can put my finger on, it just didn't draw me in. Where with Fairy Tail I was eagerly awaiting the day it came out and read the new chapter right away and was also eager to discuss the chapter afterwrads, with Eden Zero I just forgot about it until I went "Oh right, haven't checked that in two or three weeks" and once I read it... that was it. No urge to discuss what happened and speculate on what might happen next like back in the Fairy Tail days. Maybe I'll give it another shot and see if it get's more gripping past the point to which I read. After all I had a similar problem with Fairy Tail 100 year quest initially, but quite like where the series has been going once they were past the Water God Dragon. As for the Fairy Tail hate... I think that comes from losing something they loved. Early on Fairy Tail was very highly rated, but at some point people stopped liking it and apparently went to shit on everything in that series as a coping mechanism. Suddenly everything from the very start was terrible, inclusing the very stuff they praised some month or years earlier. All the slightly bad stuff was suddenly horrible and all the good stuff was either downplayed or ignored entirely, so it wouldn't compromise their narritive. :/ Then add the copy-cats who "knew all along" that Fairy Tail was terrible (but never bothered to actually say so until that point) and suddenly it's the new fad to shit on Mashima, not because they had any legitimate problems with the series, but because it's always fun to dogpile on the latest punching bag. After all it worked to well with SAO once Digibro opened the floodgates, so why not try to repeat it with Mashima. I especially hate the people who accuse Hiro Mashima of "copying" stuff from Naruto and One Piece, when he actually was the one who did it first all the way back in RAVE. So I am unfortunately not at all surprised that many just used Eden's Zero to find more anti-Mashima ammunition rather than trying to see the series on it's own merits.
I definitely think a lot of the Fairy Tail hate does come from people being burnt from it. The series started off promising a lot, but it very quickly became formulaic. Even within that formula it was great (until a certain point...) but some people did not want a shounen that was formulaic in that way.
Thank you for the feedback on this series. I really love Edens Zero and I think this is probably gonna be Mashima's greatest work. He really hammered out all the issues so far people had with FT, even though I personally already loved FT as well. I just think that people need to understand that this is a different story despite the previous influences from other series
Thank you! I love fairy tail because it was a manga/anime my friend and I loved together, and when he died I held onto it like if I lost it I would lose him again. Sappy I know. So when the show ended it devastated me. Having Eden Zero feels like getting fairy tail again, but its so much better. I love how the world works, and peoples connections to one another, its also incredibly beautiful. I've been mocked for liking fairy tail, and if I get mocked for liking edens zero, ill wear it like badge of honor.
Me: Yeah people should not Sleep on Edens Zero. It is better than what Disney Star Wars is making. Everyone else: what about Star Wars Vision? Me: “Canon” Disney Star Wars.
@@nick-oc8lx No spam troll and MHA have it's issues especially on toxic fanbase as your toxic idiot as Eden's Zero is different from previous series and previous FT isn't.
1:02 She's going to be disappointed when she discovers that Mother was actually the avatar of a failed clone of a planet who became the Earth's Moon (Sonic Adventure 2, PSO2 and Persona 3, what does Sega have against the moon anyway? LOL) and was killed after fusing with a Dark Falz and couldn't grant wishes even when she was still around.
I loveeeee fairytail and always will! It’s been probably my favorite major anime so far. Although I’m the type of person to take in what an artist does and who the characters are and not over-criticize. I’m not a huge anime person who deep dives into creators and all that though. I actually came to TH-cam to figure out why the trailer for eden had happy, a lucy look-a-like lol. Loved your take on it!
Honestly from the big youtubers and people who blindly go along with what they say, it feels like it is a blind hatred at this point. They act like no series they actually like or respect that is from around when Fairy Tail was DOESN'T have the same power is friendship trope(as well as other tropes) in it. They really just seem to hate it just to hate it and for some of their followers that mentality is apparent when you ask them about it or to explain or even to name anime they like, but when you point out how they do the same thing suddenly it's okay. That even goes with the look of the characters. There are TONS of mangaka that do what Mashima does with his characters, like the mangaka of Dragon Ball and Soul Eater. You can find OBVIOUS similarities between the different series and artwork of those mangaka that call back to some of their most popular work but no one is getting up in arms about that. Honestly it's annoying at this point and really feeling like people think it's cool to dunk on Fairy Tail and Mashima but as close minded hypocrites, cause they just refuse to give a show a chance just cause the characters have vague similarities in appearance and it's by the same creator, come on
Without out a doubt perfectly 💀not only is it a running theme in the series but it adds so much to the world building !! It’s not a thing that is brought up in later chapters but something that is brought since literally the first chapter which in the first chapter it was shown at surface level but that’s absolutely what needed to be done since me as a reader thought that it was only going to be a problem in grandbell but no Mashima took this whole concept and developed it with such depth that’s it’s truly amazing he was even able to mix in parenthood in with this theme as seen in sun jewel were valkery seemed as homuras mother but since she was a robot she was discriminated and judged because she was trying to act motherly to a human showing amazing development in this theme. Then there’s the thing with weisz and hermit which he thinks that robots shouldn’t be with humans which I’m sure he’s perspective is changing cause of he’s experiences with hermit which not only shows growth with the characters but with the world buildings ideals and morales. Then there’s the transition from the foresta arc to Aoi war arc which was done greatly by showing shura giving a whole ass speech about how robots need to be wiped out beacuse of what ziggy did showing how some humans in this universe are simply heartless and clearly spoiled but I hope mashima goes more in depth with Shuras character down the line! Then there’s Hermits past which was what solidified the whole robots vs humans things another great way to develops the theme and morales of this show! All in all this show is not only ran by the main goal of the characters but by the problems surrounding it which is great development for the characters and the story in general! And the main character couldn’t be more well written than he already is he’s literally the perfect fit for the show since he’s the one who believes that humans and robots are the same since they both have a heart in a world were robots are so belittled and discriminated against! He’s the one who’s gonna put a stop to it no matter what but it clearly hasn’t comed in easy for him as shown in the current arc and I love that it shows struggle making it more realistic and apparent that this world of no discrimination is going to be a lot harder to reach than what one would think it would take! There’s literally So much more I could talk about when it comes to this like pinos arc and nadias love story with that one human character I forgot his name 😭but I’ve said too much lol. Point is shiki is underrated main character and has way more depth that people don’t see. And Edens zero in general is underrated 💀
Super grateful about 3 things involving this video: 1) there are others appreciating how good the writing has been in this show 2) the manga maintains the quality past where the anime has shown 3) I’m drunk enough to forget the spoilers and can rewatch this later while still appreciating the video just as much after catching up to the manga
ngl i liked fairytail, although it had some edges, the most i liked were the characters, i just fell in love with them and their dynamics, it felt like everyone is equally important on their own ways. When I watches Edens Zero i was utterly surprised how good it is. It is really worth a watch and has super potential and I cant wait till more comes out
I honestly really really love Edens zero. Especially the characters. I know people say the character designs are bad because they are unoriginal but imo it’s the best part. I love the characters design cuz of how much nostalgia they give me. But my one major issue is…It has way too much fan service. Unnecessary fan service. The arc were the Bcubers were kidnapped made me so uncomfortable because of how much fan service there was in such serious scenes and I just couldn’t handle it. Ofc this issue was in fairy tail but I really hoped going into Edens zero that there wouldn’t be as much fan service. But it ended up being worse. I really hope this changed is future arcs cuz I don’t wanna feel that uncomfortable watching a show I really enjoy again
thank you. To find someone with so many subscriber defending EZ like this was something I thought was impossible. EVERYTHING YOU SAID, is true. Deep thinking and well thought Peopel say he has no drawing skills, its HIS ARTS! Does it even matter if he "plagarises" himself? nothing is better then to take inpirational arts one has done before. I can agree that some character designs are a turn off, but that was only cause I knew just how much hate the community were gonna throw of following that Teh Adventure, the characters, the arts and slowly the story is what makes Eden Zero an enjoyment It can potential rival Rave Master in adventure greatness and its darker then Fairy Tail. I am afraid that i hope it wont get TO DARK, cause I want the HM trends I always have been fond of in it But regardless, thank you for this video. It wamrs my heart. You have talked about FT and now Eden Zero. I hope next you talk about Rave, the first greatness of the trinity he made.
On the subject on Hiro reusing character from previous works and how the character designs of Eden are similar to characters from Rave and Fairy Tail. I like to think of it as Hiro Mashima’s equivalent to Osamu Tezuka’s “star system.” For those who don’t know what a star system is. Tezuka would often reuse a character from a previous manga of his and place them another story, as see’s them as actors that can use in any story. (For example, whenever he needs a comical scumbag in his story, he would just reuse the character of ham-egg, or whenever he needs a kind old man in his story, he would reuse the character of Mr.mustache).
What I love about his is stuff like what they did with one of the edens they could have revived them, but they decided not to because the memories wouldn't be there
Hiro said in interviews that he got sick and tired of making the villains of Fairy Tail as sympathetic as possible, so he made these ones as the most despicable menagerie of creatures you'll ever witness, that way the observers can tap-dance on their ashes. I hope the whole world celebrates when Shura is put to ground at long last. Illega, Jamilov/Spider, Madame Kurenai, Dr. Muller and Cure are all "Complete Monsters".
Drakjen Joe is as well
It wouldn’t hurt to have a sympathetic villain but we’ll probably get that in the returned demon king in this newest arc. Though I like that some of the side villains and some main villains are shown to be just as evil as they act; gets a little diversity in there that not everyone has some tragic backstory, is being controlled, or otherwise is a good person thinking they’re doing the right thing.
So, evil for the sake of evil characters are now better than sympathetic characters?
@@ThatAnimeSnob more like not every villain has to have some sobstory or big reason why they’re doing this; sometimes it can be as simple as just wanting some slaves / furniture like illega or just enjoying killing people. I mean sometimes someone could be like GMG Minerva becuase that’s just how they are and not becuase as a kid they were hurt blah blah blah.
For example in redo of healer manga bullet / Brett got a backstory; it simply reinforced what readers already thought of him rather then try to give some reason or make him sympathetic why he was evil.
Yea shura can die in a fire
To be honest Eden's zero fixed pretty much all problems i had with Ft. The think i love the most about EZ is how creative Mashima gets with different planet , worlds. Some of them are so beautifull to look at .
its trash still
@@nick-oc8lx how is it trash
@@nick-oc8lx you are a troll nobody cares
I only hate that "fanservice" sometimes
Fairy tail will always be the og
I love how Mashima uses Shiki's desire for friends to explore the concept of robot sentience.
its great stuff, why i hate this series gets so much hate, this isn't rave or fairy tail, you can tell that Mashima listen to backlash, and finally improving his work, Eden Zero will be his best work
@@kyotheman69 Apparently Mashima is using a different approach when it comes to planning out the story. With Fairy Tail he would think up the beginning and ending of an arc, then fill in the rest as he went. This style is actually very common and is a good way of approaching writing, but only if you're capable of connecting certain elements together to make it so it doesn't break established canon. With Eden Zero though he supposedly outlines not only the beginning and ending, but certain plot crucial details and aspects that connect the current story to previous arcs.
@@alvinbanaag7193 he works too hard for monthly manga in that he says he himself isn’t good when he’s not doing anything so he does everything he can constantly and he’s pretty organized. Also he does get pretty out their but that’s the charm of the sci fi fantasy
I also love how it's pretty much a direct parody of "power of friendship" trope people hate from Fairy Tail, since pretty much everyone tells him "shut up, that's not how the world works". And he slowly learns that they are mostly right, it isn't how the world works.
Shiki wants to make more friends because he had no friends besides those robots in granbell
Thank God someone is talking about Edens Zero seriously. I've been trying to explain to my buddies that it's not just Fairy Tail in space. That it's literally the result of Hiro Mashima boil down all the best parts of his past series and throwing it all together, but only a few of them has listened.
Some of my friends are the same way. It’s annoying lol but it’s up to them in the end RIP
I decided to give Edens Zero a chance. Turns out it's better than Fairy Tail. The people who complained wouldn't let go of the past.
eden zero is trash its a wannabe fairy fail
@@nick-oc8lx then why you watching this video you hater🤭
@@nick-oc8lx you willingly smoke mid, don’t you?
Anyone who thinks Mashima is lazy are beyond delusional. At the end of 2019 he made 3 manga at once for 10 weeks straight. No one else has ever done that to my knowledge.
to bad he has no clue how to end them, Rave was total trash, Fairy tail was meh, this series probably only decent thing he's done so far
@@kyotheman69 Rave was not trash lol.
@@kyotheman69 Rave is far from trash, FT last arc is only the bad thing, and 3 manga he said were EZ and other spin off like Hero's.
Hiro Mashima is Goat! Anyone who says otherwise is stupid as hell
@@kyotheman69 you are delusional. Rave and fairy tail weren’t trash at all
One thing I've noticed is that even people who hated Fairy Tail actually really enjoy Eden's Zero. ChibiReviews himself praises it a lot actually so it's nice to see people give Mashima a sort of second chance in the Grand space of things
Forneverworld as well. He hated it when it was announced, but grew a liking to it currently. Especially with how the anime has been doing.
@@pingu9213 nice to see peolle.givr it an honest second chance...don't know if Joey has yet but to each their own I guess
I'm one of those people. I never really liked fairy tail, but dude eden zero is way better than ft.
Also i like how he hiro mashima's character design as a fan of rave master I've no complain going into ft at first till i dropped it after the grand magic games. People should think of his character designs as actors with different roles for different stories. Eden Zero is now one of my favorite manga! Glad he learned from his past mistakes with ft.
it feels to me like this is the actual realization of his potential, he developed the characters, art, worldbuilding, themes and plot a lot more than in Fairy Tail at least, it seems like he fixed most of my complaints and reasons to dislike the series
the only thing is the reused designs wich kind of bothers me, seems like a cheap way to get your previous audiences back in and skip some of the work you'd have to do getting people attached to the new stuff
@@ivello Theres actually a explanation for the reused designs. Mashima is thinking up his characters sorta like Osamu Tezuka and Go Nagai uses their characters where they are sorta retellings or in a shared universe or a non cannon crossover.
I personally think the way hiro's artstyle looks is very unique and distinct and the way he reuses the designs of certain characters makes you think all of his works are connected in some way or another, it's ignorant for people to just assume he's lazy when he can easily make new designs and is constantly working on manga
I'm actually just remember that thanks to Heroes there is a canonical answer as to why they all look alike
His art is super distinct
Mashima's style certainly is easy to recognize, but he also tents to reuse the same body-model over and over again, which actually can cause issues in the manga version of things.
An example is that in the final arc, for a time, Zeref looked almost exactly like Grey, so when the website screwed up and I saw this image before the context, I was very confused...
Mashima usually makes enough effort with hair, eyes and clothing to hide that though, but sometimes it can cause issues.
@@GameBreaker1055 yes, I agree, the bodies he’s draw look very similar to each other. There are some characters with different body types, like Laxus, but I can’t really think of a lot of other characters with different looking body models
@@tp1861 Laxus has the same type as Gildarts and Jura, only their hight is different
Mashima's stories are like watching movies made with the same actors but different plots every time, It's honestly pretty cool how he does change the characters even though they do seem to be similar to their old ones.
That's the concept of hiro
It’s bizarre how some people complain about the character designs looking the same in some way when that’s something that all manga creators do in some way shape and form. The physical appearance is the same but not the personality, we should all already know this by now.
Also this series freaking rules!
I'm convinced that anyone who tries to flame Mashima for having "Similar looking characters" have never seen Toriyama's artwork outside of Dragon Ball (The Dragon Quest games and Chrono Trigger for example). Or any of a mangaka's other works/projects for that matter.
Actually he reuses designs because of Masami Kurumada, check him out, a manga legend. He reuses character designs for characters in similar roles, the star system if memory doesnt fail me.
Add: also aparently the star system was created by ozamu tezuka, but since Mashima generation was heavily influented by kurumada and toryama, Im willing to bet he learned that from him.
like literally have they seen one piece after the animation got upgraded with various characters that looked pretty different from nami being dumb down to nami with a different hair color in terms of design
@@foxolocation3853 Haahahahahah th-cam.com/video/WrlAwL52_Qg/w-d-xo.html
Jojo bizarre adventure same designs
Honestly I’m not saying Fairy Tail was perfect but it wasn’t nearly as bad as some anime youtubers say it was and it’s spin off/sequel series is pretty good. It’s interesting to hear that Edens Zero seems to be more darker and edgier in a good way and kinda of a combination of Mashima’s two previous series, it’s so dumb there are people making assumptions and hate without really giving it a chance that’s not how you judge something dammit.
Yeah that is my main gripe with the “anime community” as a whole. If it’s something really popular and is a must watch, unless I am already reading or watching it beforehand, my expectations grow way too high and I know for a fact they can’t be met. Which is why shit like Jojos and HXH I can’t actually enjoy because people have set the bar way too high and I know they can’t be reached. So I have to pass on them. On the flip side when people are just mass hating on something I have to play Devil’s advocate and see if what they say is true or if the series has some merit. And usually they do. And is why in this year before it ends I want to get through all of Fairy Tail and judge the series on my own. Throwing out the biases like from Joey or KOL out the window.
@@jacobfoxfires9647 bro. as someone who is both a fairy tail and jojo fan, you should definitely watch/read jojo. you won't regret it (as long as you stay away from the fandom a bit)
@@darkpinkgirl6684 No. It is EXACTLY those kind of statements that will keep on raising that bar even more. I really wish I could disregard all the thousands of people that already suggest it, but I know that can't happen and it just makes it guaranteed I will be disappointed.
@@jacobfoxfires9647 This is some crap fr fr
@@jacobfoxfires9647 Then allow me, as a current Jojo watcher (I'm on part 5, as we speak) to guarantee some level of enjoyment. Its not as grandiose as the fandom makes it seem, and part 1 is a DRAG to get through. But once you get past that, you learn to appreciate the absurdity and references (assuming you're knowledgeable on 80's bands and songs).
People do need to give Eden zero a chance mashimo is a good manga artist the only reason why he reuses characters and designs is he loves putting Easter eggs and shit, it's like his own personal calling card when it comes to his manga.
Nice to see someone else shares that interpretation.
He reuses designs because of masami kurumada.
Not reused designs, it's the art style that take time to grow. Only few characters are based on previous work, but even they are different in their profile too.
the show is trash
@@nick-oc8lx have you watched it
Mashima stated many times that one of his biggest inspirations as an author are video games like Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy and that he wants his works to be seen similar to them.
In Final Fantasy for example every game has its own distinct setting, with its own characters, story, worldbuilding and themes, but there are many things that are universal to the series as a whole(monsters, spells, summons, jobs, chocobos, moogles, a man named Cid that is connected to airships).
For example Plue and Happy can be compared to Mog, who appears in games like FF6, FF9 or FF13-2 but in all of them he is a distinct character with its own backstory and personality.
wow, that explains a lot
Also he uses Osamu tezuka and Masami Kurumada star system.
Great point, starter
I LOVE IT
I want a Final Fantasy Cid
Pollendina: What did the diver say this time?!
Kramer: I don’t know AlBhed!
Cidolfus: You fix the machines. I will handle the monsters
15: Not alone you won’t... [cocks shotgun]
I dont project Hate
or anything like that,
the reaccuring Character-Designs. As is absolutely naturally.
Also, all defenses bought up in this video are pretty much invalided by
simple, obvious logic...
Even Just Stop basically says 'he doesnt care', which, intentional or not,
implies that you can either not care aka being ignorant to the Issue OR you do
have an Issue with the Issue.
Duh?
When people say mashima is lazy, they have absolutely no idea that he draws all day, and is a complete workaholic. Hell he had three manga going on at one point, and all of them made the deadline. He worked so hard that he was forced to take a break, and it was only for a day before he got back working, so forgive the man for using the same designs
This is a bit late, but I don't think it matters to begin with.
Yeah He really doesn't have the luxury of making new designs for each story from scratch
It’s not self plagiarism, it’s a signature style. Yeah if Mashima’s out of character designs, then so is Oda
Did you really just try to compare Goda to Mashima? Yikes....
@@Moody.Smiruai I wasn’t comparing them. I was simply stating that Mashima isn’t out of character designs any more than Oda is, and he isn’t.
Different ODA does it in the same series he's not making three series where all the main characters are just pallet swaps of each other
@@femto7579 It sounds like Oda uses almost the same Designs in ONE series. (Never watched OP) If that's the case, isn't it far worse tho?
@@pitifulboyrottenboy1479 only the females look similar all the dudes are wildly different from each other
The EZ hate is to be expected and it’s either intentional by Mashima or pure luck. The fact people are going into this thinking it’s just FT in space are in for a treat, Mashima is now self aware of what people didn’t like about his other series. It goes through loops and even keeps throwing us in loops.
At the point where the manga is I couldn’t even call it Fairy Tail 2.0 because how much it’s gone through
I feel like Shiki was made to make fun of people thinking it's another friendship manga.
@@Ineedgames WEll I admit I haven't read the mang yet... But I have watched the first like.... 8 episodes of the anime or something. And so far it does NOT make a good first impression, because it DOES feel exactly Fairy Tail in space..... And seeing as they spend seemingly half of each episode raving about friendship it also DOES appear to be just another friendship manga.... Which is somethign that is WAY overplayed in the creator's works. I don't mind friendship... But it feels like half of the time that is all they can talk about....
And yeah... First impressions DO matter!
@@Feyrbrand31 There's no denying it's a friendship series. But that's like every shonen series ever.
The series does get more darker down the road with its story telling though. Like during their battle with Draken Joe.
Most of the people who know Fairy Tail WON'T even go into it, because its too similar to FT.
@ziglaus Well that's stupid then. FT was my first anime and I love Eden Zero as well 🤷🏽♀️😌😅✨
Eden's zero just makes me incredibly happy, it really feels like I'm reading fairy tail again, but it's just so much better and well put together.
The characters are familiar, but so much more interesting, the world is more immersive and dynamic, and the story is really intriguing. This is just such a good series, I'd highly recommend anyone to pick this up.
Sadly, I have to agree with your criticisms. People either only give a damn about fairy tail and don't wanna pay attention to anything else mashima does cause FT was never something you had to use your brain for.
Or people despise FT and never wanna give eden's zero a chance even when they're NOTHING alike.
This is one of the best shounen out right now, and really shows mashimas talent with characters, worlds, comedy, and so much more.
And his genius when it comes to stories. I don't remember any shounen before this one taking such a dark turn and capitalizing on modernization.
Everyone wants to hate until they see how much of a king mashima is.
" Eden's zero just makes me incredibly happy, it really feels like I'm reading fairy tail again " Pretty funny thing to say while JS tries to deny them beeing the "same" show. Also "just a good series" is pretty bad when you can watch 3-6 amazing series each season.
People act like Mashima is a trash artist for reusing character assets, yet have no problem when their favorite manga/anime does the same thing.
Dragon ToBall Quest
XD
he is a trash artist
@@nick-oc8lx You've clearly never read any of his manga and seen his incredible art
@@nick-oc8lx You probably can't even manage to draw a stick man so you have no right to talk about other people's drawing skills.
Using the main character design and personalities.
Edens Zero is just really REALLY good!
eden zero is trash
My dude did you even read it
i love
@@nick-oc8lx Edens zero the animation and Fairy tail bad animation
Let's be honest people go after mashima and his works so hard because it's an easy target and they won't get as much backlash for it as other series
@Hawkknight97 mashimas fanbase is fairly passive so these anitubers wouldn't get as much backlash as they would for shitting on OP or DBZ talking shit generates views afterall
Yeah and considering that DBZ is actually the one with the most problems out of them all. But people are hypocrites and love DBZ and hate Fairy Tail eventhougth DBZ has even more problems for decades.
@@arminarlert7273 the problem with mashima series and other series too is that people don't pay attention to the writing or power systems and talking shit generates more views so they have no reason too
Mashima deserves more love man , he devotes so much time into creating amazing stories, interesting characters and fun world's that readers and anime watchers would love to be in, yes there are flaws to be found. But WHAT ANIME DOESN'T HAVE FLAWS????, so can we just stop the Mashima hate wave for a second, let's appreciate this man the same way we appreciate Oda.
no he doesnt his shows are trash
@@nick-oc8lx You can't even do a 1/3 of what he does go back to your basement, the only trash here are you and your comments.
No…
I also think Edens Zero is severely underrated because people think it's a carbon copy of Fairy Tail when it's really not
Other than certain designs it’s very different
the show is trash
@@nick-oc8lx stop ! 😡
@@nick-oc8lx your mom
@@nick-oc8lx your sad shut up
This made me so happy! Eden's Zero is so good and it gets so much hate for no reason. I'm glad someone's talking about some good points why this series works!
I saw this manga at my local comic bookstore in 2019 and fell in love with the different feel of the world or Galaxy.
eden zero is trash
@@nick-oc8lx it's way better
I hate how people claim "it gets hate for no reason". Even JS said main reasons are copy pasting charakters, lazy writing and weak plot where power of friendship does way to much.
@@nick-oc8lxOk now troll go back in to your cave
I'd argue against Drakken's first scene suggesting him to be "morally ambiguous" because Drakken didn't just stop at breaking the dude's mouth, but put him to work as a slave so he could keep bleeding him dry of every drop of money (and lifeforce) he's worth. Rather, I think it's more accurate to say Drakken _thinks_ he's a morally grey figure when we can plainly see he's nothing short of a human parasite. That is its own very special kind of scummy villainy, and I hope more analysts will start giving this show a watch at least for that.
Exactly! He's a predatory loan shark, his closest real world equivalent being the Yakuza. He doesn't kill people, but not because he thinks killing is wrong, but because he views everyone around him as tools to make money.
I agree with the core premise that he's an amazing villain.
Plus he wouldn't kill people out to satisfy is violence if he doesn't get his money back or what he wants, He's the kind of villain who wants to show fates worst than deaths. Plus he only kills if people were to refuse bowing to his authority, Some of his men betrays him by helping the enemy or even if you sell out his name while being beaten by people beneath him.
He was So disappointing at the End of the Arc
@@murderman8578 What are you talking about?
@@murderman8578 no he wasn’t you can’t even explain how
I've been reading it since Ch. 1 released I still read it when the new chapter gets released.
Also, Witch is best girl, followed by Homura, then Pino.
I have spoken
i probably wouldn't touch this series if MC wasn't good, he's main reason i watch it, he's way better then Natsu
@@kyotheman69 Natsu isn’t the MC of FT. If you care to, check out Just Stop’s video on it.
@@kyotheman69 I personally would watch it even if the main character wasn’t good cuss the rest of the characters are very well written and enjoyable as well but your absolutely right shiki is a great main character and he’s my favorite character in the series which is weird cuss my favorite characters in anime are never the main character 😅
eden zero is trash
@@nick-oc8lx then why watch this video?
Another big point is :
Fairy Tail- nothing planned aside from character stories
Rave master: everything fully planned
Edens zero: story planned out but left open for changes or adda
fairy fail and eden zero are trash shows
@@nick-oc8lx doesn't the show come out on Netflix tomorrow?
@@nick-oc8lx why?
@@pallasdiana4206 yeah, but I haven't watched it yet, been too busy watching the Rebuild of Evangelion Tetralogy today, now I'm watching Promare...again, what can I say, I love Studio Trigger
Did Hiro admit to never planning FT? If he did then that explains a lot
Fairy Tail, Edens Zero, and Rave Master. Three of Mashima’s best works.
The Trinity.
he also worked on monster hunter i think according to a friend
@@owlmanz8171 Yeah, but it only has like 12 chapters.
fairy fail and eden zero are trash shows
@@nick-oc8lx If you don't like Edens Zero or Fairy Tail then why are you here?
So quick to judge when the characters from Eden's Zero look like the characters from Fairy Tail. Since I'm a huge fan of Fairy Tail, I'm excited to see what else Mashima is capable of when it comes to Eden's Zero.
I promise you will love this series.
@@AkaE5 I am excited for both and looking forward to it whenever I have the time.
@@angelic_writer the first half of the first season is releasing on the 26th on netflix. Its only gonna be the first 12 episodes, so it might be the best time to start without feeling too overwhelmed.
@@wild5571 I'll be sure to keep that in mind.
you like trash shows you have terrible taste in anime
It's funny how everyone complains about Eden's Zero recycling character designs, yet noone bats an eye when Naomi Urasawa does it (the best mangaka of all, imo)
So one Mangaka I never heared of recycling character designs, in a show you can not name and thats why it is ok for everyone else?
Maybe go complain about her as well then.
Myanimelist is the physical manifestation of everything wrong with the anime community, so I don't doubt that the score is that low for those reasons.
Great video BTW. Currently reading Rave, and I love all of mashima's works.
eden zero is trash
@@nick-oc8lx IS TRASH
@@nick-oc8lx why are u commenting everywhere
just let people enjoy this anime lmao go watch smth u enjoy then
Ratings don t matter, as long as you enjoy it thats enough. Reading why people dislike something is much more valueable than a score.
“My animelist is everything wrong with the anime community” By that logic peoples opinions on full metal achlemist demon slayer and mha are wrong because those are always topping the list. It’s the collective opnion of peoples ideas bro you can’t just say it’s wrong.
I’d recommend people read EZ the art is more impressive then FT. I’m still waiting for a dub release for EZ anime.
But EZ is very underrated, manga sells show that, the recent vol only sold 40k +. EZ has yet to find a Mainstream audience in Japan.
That being said read Ez. The art is great, the character design are very good, the fan service is there. And the story is very impressive. I really appreciate this video. Because I thought it was odd that the mainstream anime community wasnt discussing it which is bizarre. Now i see why. Ez isn’t JJK or TR but it is a very soild fun story.
Yes I agree completely on this!! 😭I wish it got more mainstream but at the same time maybe this is a nice comfy spot were the fandom doesn’t get too toxic and messed up cuss of how big it is it’s just a nice fandom were everyones nice to each other from what I’ve seen from Twitter, Instagram and TH-cam, so maybe it’s a good thing that it’s not mainstream 😅but personally aside I think Edens zero is more than solid it has a lot of things that I think make it more than an average good series and two of those reasons are because of how good the interactions are cuss they feel very real and the second reason is cause of belial gore that arc was better than a lot of shounen arcs in anime I’ve seen and read and I think it proves that Edens zero is not only a better competitor to fairytail but to other shonen series out there imo. And I totally agree with the art style I thought fairytail had amazing art style and it did but comparing it with Edens zero the art style is not only improved and amazingly good but it’s also consistently good which is impressive since mashima is always so busy! And last thing! 6 episodes are already out dubbed in animekisa it’s an illegal website if you don’t mind watching it there 😅or just wait for Netflix to drop it! It comes out in 5 days anyways lol
It's coming to Netflix this Thursday, and the season 1 trailer is dubbed, so looks like you got your wish.
40000 sales isn't that much as Vet Mangaka with an Anime Compared to his Assistant
the show is trash and the manga is trash
@@nick-oc8lx oof
Mashima is smart by having similar character designs. It saves him time and is why he’s able to have multiple series ongoing at the same time. His fans can also recognize the characters and jump right into Mashima’s next manga.
Some Mangaka aren’t able to have the same success after their big hit. A recent example is Kishimoto and Samurai 8.
Shura is so far my favorite villain. He's the exact opposite of Shiki in every way. Their gravity powers work oppositely and personality wise.
A fellow shura fan. Pleasure to make your acquaintance. But seriously Shura has been awesome. Like you said he’s basically a dark reflection of Shiki and has done the most damage to him besides Drakken Joe (also goated villain).
I can’t wait for their fight.
Mine is Müller. I feel like if some people were patient enough to read EZ and see what he’s done, they’d never call it a FT ripoff again.
@@TimToonsTalks nO! th-cam.com/video/WrlAwL52_Qg/w-d-xo.html
Too bad he'll just be defeated in this arc/saga and then we'll move on to the next big bad and never hear from him again😂🤦♂️...typical mishima writing
@@p.art.r1ck533 that’s shonen writing in general genius. Zabuza was killed in Naruto and never came back. Unless you count edo tensui. Same with every dragon ball villain minus frieza
The whole Mishima copy/paste thing is a moot point on haters part. Hey I love YuYu and I love HXH but let’s not pretend that Kewabara doesn’t look like Knuckle, or Hiei doesn’t look like a member of the phantom troupe, or Gon isn’t just yuskue with big hair and a smaller bod.
Osamu Tezuka, father of manga himself, often reused his character designs in his other works. He said that he treats them like actors who may appear in numerous stories but they play different characters.
Hiroyuki Takei, author of Shaman King also reused the character of Itako no Anna in his works
And let's not even start with Akira Toriyama and his strikingly similar designs across Dr Slump, Dragon Ball and Dragon Quest.
Toriyama
@@Justic_ i mean eh thats a bit different since its all in one piece. a better comparison would be toriyama using character designs for alot of his work
Gon and Yusuke look nothing alike and neither do Knuckle and Kuwabara I guess I can see Feitan and Hiei tho
Seriously that self plagiarism criticism is one of the most dumbest criticisms I have ever seen in the last decade.
Eden's Zero really shows mashima's growth as both an artist and story teller. He found a tone he really wanted to do and improved upon it! With fairy tail, he wanted it to be more light hearted than rave master, and now in eden's zero, he wanted to do something darker and more morally gray (in a way).
The thing is that he's DOING OTHER STUFF that was touched upon in his other series but now he gets to explore. And really with how Edens Zero is going, I love it. I wanna explore the worlds he's created. With Rave Master, I wanted everything to be okay and for things to become peaceful. With Fairy Tail, it was one long journey with characters I'd absolutely love to be friends with! And now Eden's Zero takes it up another notch of combining both and then escalating it to a galactic trip where ANYTHING can happen.
Feel how you feel about his stories, I won't push you either way. But give it a chance and maybe you'll find an adventure of his you wanna follow and see through.
Great video as always! I love the introspection and how you discuss his characters. Mashima is definitely strongest when writing relationships and how it affects the story.
As someone whose favourite anime used to he Fairy Tail, I can say that it was by no means perfect, whilst I'll always love Fairy Tail, I can't help but adore Edens Zero far more. I've always been a sci-fi guy than a magic man, heck I love Star Wars more than Harry Potter, so genre-wise this is up my alley. I also think Mashima has not only refined the ideas he displayed in Fairy Tail, which also introducing more to stop making Edens Zero from being "space Fairy Tail". I also like the power system more, as I think it just helps to make the characters more consistent in terms of power-scaling. I am glad to say Edens Zero is my new favourite anime and I cannot wait to see the next few arcs in the manga be animated and to see where else in the cosmos Mashima takes us
I dont project Hate
or anything like that,
the reaccuring Character-Designs. As is absolutely naturally.
Also, all defenses bought up in this video are pretty much invalided by
simple, obvious logic...
Even Just Stop basically says 'he doesnt care', which,
intentional or not,
implies that you can either not care aka being ignorant to the Issue OR you do
have an Issue with the Issue.
I do like Eden Zero, especially when it's an improvement compared to Fairy Tail. It does have problems here and there, but it's all in all good. My favorite part about the series is Ether Gear, as I love the concept of power systems within a series.
eden zero is trash
@@nick-oc8lx you really have no life
I like how in every episode theres a easter egg like in episode 3 u see natsu and lucy walking out 😂
@@bdgctruz5786 yeah, I remember seeing them, which also reminded me of HEROES.
Yeah imagine Eden Zero but with magic. What an original idea.
As someone who grow up with Fairy Tail loving it at first then dropped it later in life
Eden Zero reuse design was not a good sign at first but 150+ in and I'm can proudly say I love Eden Zero
Also Hermit best girl and hoping for Weiss x Hermit ship goes through
I hope hermit truns into human like pino and they make babies.
fairy fail and eden zero are trash shows
@@nick-oc8lx then why are you here?
@@kurozunakabuto9682 Because he is a troll in need if attention, because his family does not give him enough attention, he needs to seek it somewhere else and feel important. Just ignore him this kinds of maggots aren't worth a person's time.
What it comes to mashimas series you can definitely see is history in all of them. Rave master was his gateway, in creating a story that got him credit in the Manga industry. And is a fantastic story overall. Fairytale in my opinion is his magnum opus. Has more of a different tone the most shonen and achieve something different that to my experience no other manga or anime series is able to replicate. And why does have its flaws sometimes it’s an amazing series overall And shot him up even further in the manga industry for better or for worse. And even the criticism he’s gone for fairytale he’s embrace that and fix those issues in not only 100 year quest, but also Eden zero. Which in my opinion seems like him mixing the tones of both of his series together with a couple of twists and make it something new. I haven’t seen it yet but I can’t wait to see what’s in the store. Great video
It's crazy how much shit he gets for character design when people praise toriyama for his when almost all his characters look and act the same in all his work but because they don't like fairy tail they ignore that same issue with their favorite anime proving most fans just hope on hate trains and will love whatever is popular
I imagine when EZ gets more mainstream One Piece fans in particular will shit on it as hard as possible
I love one piece but I agree. They are similar but different at the same time and I prefer EZ
Wow I’m surprised, I thought I was the only one who preferred EZ to One Piece
The fact you are comparing it to OP is a bit sus BUT ill have to actually watch EZ first. I gave Hiro Mashima a chance with FT, read up to 322 and I had enough of the power of friendship bs. The moment I see that on EZ im out.
I'm a one piece fan and this is bullshit both series are very different. I love both of them even though one piece is my top favourite
@@Correctgistlover I look at it in comparison to how I've heard people talk about Fairy Tail being a poor One Piece clone, while Edens Zero is much more similar to it in comparison
Been reading almost two and a half years and Edens Zero consistently remains at least in my top 3 favourite chapters of the week every week since. Definitely my favourite manga I’m reading right now overall and has been pretty much since I started it. Anyone who isn’t willing to give it a chance is sorely missing out
What do you think of shura as a villain and the current Aoi war arc in the manga?
@@jknetwork6211 it’s gotten a tad slow (though it seems to be picking up again now) but I’m enjoying it. Shura is a scumbag as most EZ villains are. Definitely very brutal and sadistic it seems. I like his design. A lot of people in the community think he could be related to Laguna somehow and I think that would be interesting. Looking forward to see how the situation unfolds!
@@IceFox606 nice. There’s also a few theories on his relationship with his secretary Ijuna. That definitely peaks my interest
@@jknetwork6211 yeah, lots of interesting stuff still to uncover!
the manga is trash and the show is trash
Edens Zero have been great so far. Bringing back some Rave vibe as in it's not afraid to go dark unlike Fairy Tail.
But the reused character characters
are so meme-creatingly off-putting...
Oh my...
Except for that Tartaros arc FT had(Not that I'm defending it).
Mashima is the GOAT having 3 of his works become anime
THANK YOU FOR THIS. I really love Eden Zero. I really love fairy tail too but to me Eden Zero was a step up and had a lot to explore on! I couldn't converse with anyone about it nor my interest in it because of the fear that I would be brushed off. I honestly have a personal connection with Shiki with his drive to befriend as many people as they could due to the inability of not being able to in the past. I learned through him that it's okay that there are some that don't work out and there are some that stay, and that's okay.
I've read it and omg do I love it😭it's truly worth the read you guys
I really like how Mashima-sensei did a contest for fans to design characters to use for the series. Such a good way to interact with the fandom.
Mashima reusing character designs is actually one of my favorite things about Edens Zero. I loved seeing Levy and team shadow gear in the background of the show and the reference that Rebecca has seen Fairy Tail. His logic behind the Chronophages are also unique over how time works without causing paradox.
I mean most people don't pay attention to power systems i've seen that in multiple series not just mashima series i seen people saying rebecca devoloping ether gear was an asspull despite the series explicitly stating the spa of edens being able to develop ether gear
I don't know what it is with people and consuming modern media today, but for some reason if information is spoon fed to its audience it means the writer is bad ar story telling, smh
@@arileerobinson8208 even in 2014 when i was a senior i noticed a ton of 17-18 year olds with below middle school reading comprehension
Who's ready for the dub to be released on Netflix next week
Do you know if all of the episodes will release at that time? The first 6 have been online for a few weeks and the sub up to episode 20.
@@kevinstreetgaming it says the first season
@@cjthrasher5603 yeah I've heard conflicting rumors that the first season is 25 or 26 episodes which gets us to the end of the Sun Jewel arc. It is still airing in Japan, so I don't think they will release all of the dubbed episodes yet, maybe the first 12 or so.
I grew up with Fairytail and enjoyed it for the most part (despite it’s flaws). I’ll totally give Edens Zero a shot.
Bro, I got some level of trauma from Drakken, it was terrifying, not in the fact he killed shiki (clearley some way or another he would be brought back), But in the psycological aspect! I mean, I've seen worst, but that deosn't make this one less scary, and when Shiki got the Over Drive after being triggered by the load gun sound, remembering his own death, was crazy! I see Drakken and I rememeber what happened, I'm scare on how are they gonna do that whenever a second season comes XD
However, To some stent I still like Fairy Tail better because of the fun, light and hopefull feeling I get from it, I love the chaotic energy. I mean, for "Serious and logically realistic stories" (which are some of the main complains regarding FT) I have hundreds upon hundreds of other Animes, I like Fairy Tail because IT IS different; Is actully unique in its own way. But I know Eden's Zero is objectivly way better in the narrative, character development and adventure aspect. Is not a master piece or anything, but is better than Fairy Tail. I still don't care though, I like both! XD
And funny enough, when Shura asked Shiki to be his friend I was like "OMG! WHAT!? Someone asked Shiki first!? What is he gonna do now!? 0.0" and the way Shiki rejected Shura was earned, he knows how to pick his friends now B)
CLAMP: *Reuses characters and designs in multiple works.*
The General Public: Yes, mmmm, gorgeous, lovely, you're the best.
Hiro Mashima:*Does the same thing*
The General Public: Hack, disgusting, self-plagiarist, poopyhead, you're the worst.
“Don’t Sleep On Eden Zero”
Me: WAY AHEAD OF YOU!
(I’ve been collecting the manga, & Im not regretting this fun ride!)
eden zero is trash
“Sure it is, and dragon ball Z is the best anime of all time”(sarcasm)
At least we can agree it’s better than boku no pico
Don’t worry on not hating DB……..I’m hating on DBZ (lol)
The complaint about the similar character designs is especially ridiculous because Mashima isn't even the only person who does this. I've been reading the sequel to Seven Deadly Sins, Four Knights of the Apocalypse, which came out earlier this year. The main Character, Percival, looks like Meliodas from the original series. Another character looks eerily similar to Ban. This is mostly likely because the characters were all designed by the same artist in the same style. If you look up any two works by the same mangaka, you are bound to see similarities.
Dragon ToBall Quest
eden zero is trash
"Characters look similar to Fairy Tail's"
And I'm like.
"Duh, it's the same mangaka. Just about every manga character from the same creators are going to look the same."
And I don't see these same people calling Oda a hack for making all of his female characters look the same.
Agreed
oh they do. Believe me, they do.
Do they expect the mangaka to completely change their art style??
I've read edens zero since chapter 1 released, i wasn't really into ft at the time but when his promotional image for the series was out i started to get hyped, i hadn't really read any manga either so i just went by what i remember really liking about what i watched of fairy tail at the time, the great caharacters, even after later the same summer getting more into fairy tail i was enjoying edens zero, and as it went on it just got better and better, i was kinda inconsistant in when i read newer chapters but having that extra edge of having chunks of chapters just means i got more into it, people brushing it off as a fairy tail clone kinda ticks me off because it's so much more than that, i love all three of mashima's big series to death and they're all unique from eachoter, while i do think the very beginning of edens is kinda similar to ft even then it's easy to tell it's something different, i really like how mashima is really planning things out like he knows exactly what'll happen and just keeps on expanding on things, i think by the end of the series it could definetly be his best work
I think it already is his best work 👍🏾
@@jordonrenaud1178 Understandable different strokes for different folks
Mashima’s reusing of designs reminds me of Osamu Tezuka’s star system with how Tezuka had various designs used across his series.
Other than that, you have sold on this manga.
Now that Edens Zero is on the small screen, let's hope they put 100 Years Quest on TV next
Anime repeats designs. It's what they do. The amount of Gary Oaks I've seen is insane.
This is great. Eden zero is now on my TBR. Can't wait to experiance this manga.
Yesss you talked about fairy tail n now you’re talking about Edens zero that’s great! I really loved Fairy Tail, and started reading edens zero over a year ago, and I’m so happy it’s getting an anime now, imma wait for it to all be out on Netflix. In Edens Zero, there’s been no random friendship power-ups so far, I’m happy that Mashima makes sure to use the criticism he receives.
Edit: Also, I agree with the redesign thing you talked about. Yeah, he re-uses designs. Honestly idrc about that. I don’t get how people didn’t mind Ft using designs from Rave Master, but when he does it with EZ, everyone is angry all of the sudden. Although they look similar, and there are similar names, their personalities and relationships with one another are completely different. I honestly love Shiki way more than Natsu, he has way better development, and he tries works past the struggles his isolation has given him to form relationships with the good people he meets. Also, Homura is best girl.
Mashima has taught me that there are 2 universal constants; Blue cats and fidgety snowman dogs.
As a fan from rave you can see how he continues to get better and better
Thank you for bringing this manga/show to my attention. I will watch every episode!
You've convinced me! I kind of dropped Fairy Tail ages before it was finished and I don't really feel like trying to reread it anytime soon, but I did like the characters and there were a lot of interesting ideas I either liked or wish had been explored more or in a different way. It inspired me at times. Not sure why but I thought I couldn't read Edens Zero until I finished Fairy Tail lol, it's like my mind has been blowed to find out that wasn't a requirement lol. Anywho, I'm off to reading it now~
Fun fact: In polish shiki's name is very awkward to pronounce because it translates to pee when you remove the H
Bro as someone who is fully caught up with the manga this series is fucking god teir. It's some of mashima's best work plus I love the darker tones it delves into. definitely one of my new favorites for sure
For real it’s awesome! What are your thoughts on Shura as a villain so far?
I really like Shura as a villain he’s unique with his gravity gear and his design is bad ass
I honestly thought you were gonna talk about “Eden”. That new Netflix anime
I’ve already been watching it weekly, just want to hear some more good stuff about it. I also might read the manga when the anime finishes airing.
Thats great. Sunjewel arc is great but the arc after that, is the best arc for me though, the latest arc in the manga has the pontential to steal the throne. ☺
Mashima series rank
1,.Eden zero
2.Rave master
3.Fairy tail
I agree while fairy tail story is going downhill, Edens zero is just getting better and better every arc
@@baguette1363 Fairy tail gone downhill After Edolas Arc I still like it, Eden getting better with every arc I think it stupid that people hating on Eden zero not because it bad show that there character that look like fairy tail character.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO MORE PEOPLE NEED TO SEE IT
Naoki Urasawa uses the same character design for every series. So he is supposed to be lazy?
Why haven't the Anime Man or the Fornever guy talked about that?
Dragon ToBall Quest
Cuz those particular anime youtubers just care about the no. of views.
also they said is their not favorite and don't have time to read the magna. This is why I dont really watch anime TH-camr anymore because they think their opinions matter more, then put the time for their research making video. just don't watch those guys anymore because they literally waste your time.
@@osielatrujillo82 is there any youtuber that actually do their research and post good analysis?
IMO the best thing about Mashima is the art, so when designs are resused it is disappointing.
Urasawa's main draw is his writing. Which is why his series are so good: they are different stories.
YES! I just finished the chapters that were out. I'm stocked to see you made a video about it.
Hiro mashima took all the complaints with Fairy tail and was like. Ok I'll do better
AND THEN HE DID
I think people seem to forget that Hiro and WSM are business men and the whole point of a manga is to sale copies and other merchandise in order to make money
They aren’t going to bend to the readers every whim and command and change something and potentially lose money by changing something that has worked for them since 1999
if something is selling well they don’t care if the designs are the same they are in the business to make money
I mean this is Hiro’s 3rd series and both FT and EZ’s designs are taken from RM
So people complain about the designs of the cast being the similar throughout all 3 of Hiro’s major series……BUT IT SALES🤷♂️
Even Chibi reviews said he can see why Hiro doesn’t change up the designs
I’m not saying people aren’t allowed to have their opinions or anything if you don’t like it that’s cool and all
I’m just saying the people in the business don’t care about your opinions as long as they make money they are content with their practices
When I saw the hate when Edens Zero 1st came out I was like "So y'all mad at a Mangaka....for drawing in his style"
6:34 it's not like half of the central cast were originally designed for Fairy Tail anyway, half of them appear in one of Hiro's earlier works, too. People just mad that he has designs that he likes. If we got mad about this shit, people should be mad at Toriyama for making all Saiyans look almost identical lmfao
I'm already part of EZ fandom, to the point that it's going to be the first manga series I actually plan on physically collecting.
I find it funny how so many people are hating on Hiro Mashima's work for the friendship power trope, seemingly random power jumps and simple protagonist then go back to reading/watching One Piece...
I grew up watching reruns of the first season of One Piece on TV. One Piece was probably my main introduction into anime. I've seriously tried catching up to the anime and subsequently watched One Piece from the start to about half way through the Skypia arc. I've tried the same with the manga too.
Reading/watching One Piece has always felt like a chore compared to any of Hiro Mashima's works.
I read the first 20 to 25ish or so chapters and then my interest just petered out.
I really love Fairy Tail's round-about first half and when starting that series was drawn in right away, though I have to admit it fell off toward the end.
But with Eden's Zero... it's not that I think it's bad or anything I can put my finger on, it just didn't draw me in. Where with Fairy Tail I was eagerly awaiting the day it came out and read the new chapter right away and was also eager to discuss the chapter afterwrads, with Eden Zero I just forgot about it until I went "Oh right, haven't checked that in two or three weeks" and once I read it... that was it. No urge to discuss what happened and speculate on what might happen next like back in the Fairy Tail days.
Maybe I'll give it another shot and see if it get's more gripping past the point to which I read.
After all I had a similar problem with Fairy Tail 100 year quest initially, but quite like where the series has been going once they were past the Water God Dragon.
As for the Fairy Tail hate... I think that comes from losing something they loved. Early on Fairy Tail was very highly rated, but at some point people stopped liking it and apparently went to shit on everything in that series as a coping mechanism. Suddenly everything from the very start was terrible, inclusing the very stuff they praised some month or years earlier.
All the slightly bad stuff was suddenly horrible and all the good stuff was either downplayed or ignored entirely, so it wouldn't compromise their narritive. :/
Then add the copy-cats who "knew all along" that Fairy Tail was terrible (but never bothered to actually say so until that point) and suddenly it's the new fad to shit on Mashima, not because they had any legitimate problems with the series, but because it's always fun to dogpile on the latest punching bag.
After all it worked to well with SAO once Digibro opened the floodgates, so why not try to repeat it with Mashima.
I especially hate the people who accuse Hiro Mashima of "copying" stuff from Naruto and One Piece, when he actually was the one who did it first all the way back in RAVE.
So I am unfortunately not at all surprised that many just used Eden's Zero to find more anti-Mashima ammunition rather than trying to see the series on it's own merits.
I definitely think a lot of the Fairy Tail hate does come from people being burnt from it. The series started off promising a lot, but it very quickly became formulaic. Even within that formula it was great (until a certain point...) but some people did not want a shounen that was formulaic in that way.
The people complaining of reusing assets are the same people who love one piece, despite Oda reusing Nami's assets tenfold for many female characters.
After finishing the video, I immediately put it in my currently watching list
9:03 Now that’s just seems funny and badass I’m definitely going to watch when it hits Netflix
It was funny and badass past me plus we bought all the volumes
Thank you for the feedback on this series. I really love Edens Zero and I think this is probably gonna be Mashima's greatest work. He really hammered out all the issues so far people had with FT, even though I personally already loved FT as well. I just think that people need to understand that this is a different story despite the previous influences from other series
Thank you! I love fairy tail because it was a manga/anime my friend and I loved together, and when he died I held onto it like if I lost it I would lose him again. Sappy I know. So when the show ended it devastated me.
Having Eden Zero feels like getting fairy tail again, but its so much better. I love how the world works, and peoples connections to one another, its also incredibly beautiful.
I've been mocked for liking fairy tail, and if I get mocked for liking edens zero, ill wear it like badge of honor.
Me: Yeah people should not Sleep on Edens Zero. It is better than what Disney Star Wars is making.
Everyone else: what about Star Wars Vision?
Me: “Canon” Disney Star Wars.
Mashima seems to be Isekai’ng his characters...
AND I LOVE THAT IDEA!
Everyone: Mashima is so effin' lazy for reusing characters!!!
Yo Shindo from MHA be like:
MHA is actually a good show not eden zero or fairy fail
@@nick-oc8lx No spam troll and MHA have it's issues especially on toxic fanbase as your toxic idiot as Eden's Zero is different from previous series and previous FT isn't.
@@nick-oc8lx MHA stopped being good for years.
@@Ineedgames for me after mha season 1 i didnt like the series anymore
1:02 She's going to be disappointed when she discovers that Mother was actually the avatar of a failed clone of a planet who became the Earth's Moon (Sonic Adventure 2, PSO2 and Persona 3, what does Sega have against the moon anyway? LOL) and was killed after fusing with a Dark Falz and couldn't grant wishes even when she was still around.
Thank you for re-interesting me in Eden zero again just stop, i had to drop it but I'm back... great video
I loveeeee fairytail and always will! It’s been probably my favorite major anime so far. Although I’m the type of person to take in what an artist does and who the characters are and not over-criticize. I’m not a huge anime person who deep dives into creators and all that though. I actually came to TH-cam to figure out why the trailer for eden had happy, a lucy look-a-like lol. Loved your take on it!
Honestly from the big youtubers and people who blindly go along with what they say, it feels like it is a blind hatred at this point. They act like no series they actually like or respect that is from around when Fairy Tail was DOESN'T have the same power is friendship trope(as well as other tropes) in it. They really just seem to hate it just to hate it and for some of their followers that mentality is apparent when you ask them about it or to explain or even to name anime they like, but when you point out how they do the same thing suddenly it's okay. That even goes with the look of the characters. There are TONS of mangaka that do what Mashima does with his characters, like the mangaka of Dragon Ball and Soul Eater. You can find OBVIOUS similarities between the different series and artwork of those mangaka that call back to some of their most popular work but no one is getting up in arms about that. Honestly it's annoying at this point and really feeling like people think it's cool to dunk on Fairy Tail and Mashima but as close minded hypocrites, cause they just refuse to give a show a chance just cause the characters have vague similarities in appearance and it's by the same creator, come on
On the topic of analyzing the series, how do you guys think the series handles the topic of discrimination with the androids?
Without out a doubt perfectly 💀not only is it a running theme in the series but it adds so much to the world building !! It’s not a thing that is brought up in later chapters but something that is brought since literally the first chapter which in the first chapter it was shown at surface level but that’s absolutely what needed to be done since me as a reader thought that it was only going to be a problem in grandbell but no Mashima took this whole concept and developed it with such depth that’s it’s truly amazing he was even able to mix in parenthood in with this theme as seen in sun jewel were valkery seemed as homuras mother but since she was a robot she was discriminated and judged because she was trying to act motherly to a human showing amazing development in this theme. Then there’s the thing with weisz and hermit which he thinks that robots shouldn’t be with humans which I’m sure he’s perspective is changing cause of he’s experiences with hermit which not only shows growth with the characters but with the world buildings ideals and morales. Then there’s the transition from the foresta arc to Aoi war arc which was done greatly by showing shura giving a whole ass speech about how robots need to be wiped out beacuse of what ziggy did showing how some humans in this universe are simply heartless and clearly spoiled but I hope mashima goes more in depth with Shuras character down the line! Then there’s Hermits past which was what solidified the whole robots vs humans things another great way to develops the theme and morales of this show! All in all this show is not only ran by the main goal of the characters but by the problems surrounding it which is great development for the characters and the story in general! And the main character couldn’t be more well written than he already is he’s literally the perfect fit for the show since he’s the one who believes that humans and robots are the same since they both have a heart in a world were robots are so belittled and discriminated against! He’s the one who’s gonna put a stop to it no matter what but it clearly hasn’t comed in easy for him as shown in the current arc and I love that it shows struggle making it more realistic and apparent that this world of no discrimination is going to be a lot harder to reach than what one would think it would take! There’s literally So much more I could talk about when it comes to this like pinos arc and nadias love story with that one human character I forgot his name 😭but I’ve said too much lol. Point is shiki is underrated main character and has way more depth that people don’t see. And Edens zero in general is underrated 💀
@@franciscoortiz4500 I would space your paragraphs my guy to make it easier to read but yeah I agree with your points.
@@jknetwork6211 yeah lol I would’ve but I was just typing as stuff came to my mind so I forgot to do that but thanks for reading it!
Super grateful about 3 things involving this video:
1) there are others appreciating how good the writing has been in this show
2) the manga maintains the quality past where the anime has shown
3) I’m drunk enough to forget the spoilers and can rewatch this later while still appreciating the video just as much after catching up to the manga
ngl i liked fairytail, although it had some edges, the most i liked were the characters, i just fell in love with them and their dynamics, it felt like everyone is equally important on their own ways. When I watches Edens Zero i was utterly surprised how good it is. It is really worth a watch and has super potential and I cant wait till more comes out
I honestly really really love Edens zero. Especially the characters. I know people say the character designs are bad because they are unoriginal but imo it’s the best part. I love the characters design cuz of how much nostalgia they give me. But my one major issue is…It has way too much fan service. Unnecessary fan service. The arc were the Bcubers were kidnapped made me so uncomfortable because of how much fan service there was in such serious scenes and I just couldn’t handle it. Ofc this issue was in fairy tail but I really hoped going into Edens zero that there wouldn’t be as much fan service. But it ended up being worse. I really hope this changed is future arcs cuz I don’t wanna feel that uncomfortable watching a show I really enjoy again
thank you. To find someone with so many subscriber defending EZ like this
was something I thought was impossible. EVERYTHING YOU SAID, is true. Deep thinking and well thought
Peopel say he has no drawing skills, its HIS ARTS! Does it even matter if he "plagarises" himself? nothing is better then to take inpirational arts one has done before.
I can agree that some character designs are a turn off, but that was only cause I knew just how much hate the community were gonna throw of following that
Teh Adventure, the characters, the arts and slowly the story is what makes Eden Zero an enjoyment
It can potential rival Rave Master in adventure greatness and its darker then Fairy Tail. I am afraid that i hope it wont get TO DARK, cause I want the HM trends I always have been fond of in it
But regardless, thank you for this video. It wamrs my heart.
You have talked about FT and now Eden Zero. I hope next you talk about Rave, the first greatness of the trinity he made.
On the subject on Hiro reusing character from previous works and how the character designs of Eden are similar to characters from Rave and Fairy Tail.
I like to think of it as Hiro Mashima’s equivalent to Osamu Tezuka’s “star system.”
For those who don’t know what a star system is. Tezuka would often reuse a character from a previous manga of his and place them another story, as see’s them as actors that can use in any story.
(For example, whenever he needs a comical scumbag in his story, he would just reuse the character of ham-egg, or whenever he needs a kind old man in his story, he would reuse the character of Mr.mustache).
What I love about his is stuff like what they did with one of the edens they could have revived them, but they decided not to because the memories wouldn't be there
I find it incredibly funny how much Masimo seems to like Happy.