One of the biggest if not the biggest Macedonian Heroes. I'm not sure if anyone of you know the faith of Marko Boshjnakov. After the attacks, he got arrested along with Pavel Shatev, Milan Arsov & Gjorgji Bogdanov. They were sentenced to death penalty, but the decision was changed to prison in Fezan (Africa). Marko died there, but Pavel and his friends, didn't want to leave him there, so they decided to cut off his head and bring it back to Macedonia. He was born in Ohrid, therefore they brought his head (that they kept it in salt water), back to his hometown. The last known information is that his head was buried near the small church Kuzman and Damjan, right behind the monumental Bogorodica Perivlepta. If you walk in the old town of Ohrid, I'm sure you'd find the table on the wall that marks the house in which he was born. Hope God will forgive their sins and bless their families! This is one of the biggest sacrifices for freedom of Macedonia. makedonskijazik.mk/2019/04/%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%9F%D0%B8%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5-%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8.html www.ohridnews.com/106-godini-od-smrtta-na-ohridskiot-gemidhija-marko-boshnakov/
@@marioshistorytalks Thank you. Does anyone know where I can find Willow bu Milcho Manchevski or the Original documentary Bitola My Birthplace? I've scoured the internet I can't find them anywhere?
When they said "Po dobri od nas ke dojdat" I instantly thought of zaev and my blood boiled of knowing what these heroes did only to see what's happening now!
Well said. So much sacrifice and bloodshed, only to now see the nation slip backwards thanks to a few traitors lining their pockets and setting up their own children's comfortable futures at the cost of Macedonia's dignity. Zaev and extended family have businesses in Greece and Bulgaria and Zaev himself jumped into bed with his Albanian colleagues way back.
@@mellake7052my Makedonijan brother I'll buy you a lunch , I think you know why.🇲🇰🍺🇲🇰🍻🇲🇰🌞🇲🇰🌻🇲🇰🌞🇲🇰🔥🇲🇰🌞🇲🇰🌻💯🐂🐂🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🌞🍺🍻🙃🍻👌🇲🇰 we have shut down so many Greeks and Bulgarians.
Се Колнам : We will protect these young Makedonijan heroes, Thier heroism, Superiority, their honour, their dignity ,they lost not just life but Holy Makedonijan life. Glory to the , Гемиџиите . Слава за Македонија Мајчице
Those eight brave Macedonian souls didn't set out to harm innocent people, they wanted to destroy the evil of a tyrannical occupier that was the Ottomans, and that's something every man who values freedom can related to and consider noble.
If you can't get hold of the movie, I recommend getting a hold of (Macedonian American) Stoyan Christowe's book called 'Mara'. Although a novel, it is based on fact and depicts the events that Mario talks about in his video. It is an easy, entertaining and very informative read.
Perfect timing, Mario! By coincidence, I’m two thirds of the way through a book called ‘Mara’ by an outstanding Macedonian American, Stoyan Christowe (also Hristoff) - nee Naumoff. Although a novel, it depicts the events you speak about, through the eyes of the hero, Paul. The book helped me understand much more clearly, how and why the comitadji formed to drive out the Ottomans and even mentions the ‘Boatmen’, the tunnel and the plans to blow up the Ottoman Bank in Solun. The book also gives us glimpses of the hardships of village life under Ottoman rule and the sufferings of the women. One cannot help but fall in love with the young hero who could have been any one of these brave young men you talk about.
Stoyan, born 1898, became a journalist, writer and American senator (Vermont) and was simultaneously a passionate Macedonian and American, receiving an honorary doctorate from the Ss. Cyril and Methodius University of Skopje in the Republic of Macedonia and was elected an honorary member of the Macedonian Academy of Arts and Sciences. He is well-known for his famous quotation, “In my life I had two mothers, Macedonia who gave me birth, and America who adopted me.” With the strong spirit of the young men in your video, Stoyan left his home at the tender age of 13 to seek his fortune but always had a wondrous fascination and admiration for the young comitadji and the heroes that they looked up to such as Goce Delchev. I feel there is a lot of Stoyan in the book’s main character, Paul. Stoyan was born in a region of Macedonia which is very dear to my heart. I’m trying to collect all his books and next on my list is ‘Heroes and Assassins’.
Hi Mario, i’m an Aussie Macedonian and would love to have an friendly exchange with you. Is there any way i could get in contact with you other than youtube on a more private platform? Very informative content, great work and hope to hear from you soon.
@Achilleas Stavropoulos Solun is Solun! Not just Bulgarians,also Serbians, Croatians,Macedonians and many others use that name. Also you can ask most of the Solunians something on Macedonian,and they will understand you everything and tell you that they are not Greeks but Macedonians,then will explain you about the germanogreekisraeloanamerican ocupators...also ask them for the German king of ,,Greece"(the ocupated Macedonian country)👌👌👌
@Achilleas Stavropoulos Sorry to ask this. Are you and Englishman? Because you talk and write in English? If that makes one nation? Haven't you heard that Slav tribes reached down to Peloponnese and Athens? Or you didn't mixed up with them and you kept your Ancient genes, only these part of Ancient Macedonia Slavs got mixed with the Ancient Macedonians and we ceased to exist - is that what you trying to tell us? :D You can talk that propaganda to average Macedonian that doesn't read books not to me ;)
For those particularly interested in Mario’s video and the topic in general and want to learn more but cannot get hold of the film, I highly recommend the late Macedonian American Stoyan Christowe’s book, ‘Mara’. Although a novel, it is very fact-based. It is an easy and entertaining read and helps to understand the situation in Macedonia at that time and how the comitadji formed and functioned.
@@kristijanmladenovski596, Everyone has the opportunity to research the truth online nowadays… The Ottoman census data for Macedonia is out there in the open. It talked about the ethnicities populating that region before the Communists decided to create new nations… Cope!
“The anarchists in the so-called "Geneva group" of students played key roles in the anti-Ottoman struggles. Nearly all the members who founded the Committee in Geneva were natives from Bulgaria and not from Macedonia. Despite of non-Macedonian descent, they espoused Macedonian identity, emancipated from the pan-Bulgarian national project” 😂😂😂😂😂
Mario Hristovski I mean anyone can do the research and find that they were Bulgarian! Are you baptizing them on your “show” as something else? Juvenile behavior from a supposed college graduate. Your employer know that you’re historically stupid?
One of those boatmen was Pavel Satel. All the imformations come from him and the book he wrote. He was arrested, spend some years in a turkish prison. Then he studied in Brussels, returned in Thessaloniki and became a teacher in the BULGARIAN SCHOOL.Later he went to Bulgaria when during the 2nd w.w. he was prisoned as a spy for the Soviet union. Why don't you tell everything Mario? Maybe because all of them were BULGARIANS acting for your motherland BULGARIA.
By chance I have a book from Ivan Popjordanov, his grandgrandfather Peter ( Petyr) was brother of Gjoshe ( Гьоше) Popjordanov, which is the father of Milan ( Mile ) and Orce. Peter Popjordanov had four sons: Ivan, Ilija, Grigo and Kiro. So the author of the book- Ivan Popjordanov was the grandson from Ivan Popjordanov. His grandfather- дядо Иван was the cousin of Mile and Orce. In his book Ivan Popjordanov writes clear and outlines that the whole family- his father- Petar, his grandfather Ivan, his Grandmother Elena Proycheva, they were all proud Bulgarians. Our history is shared and there is nothing you can do about it.We used to be one!
“Western travellers to Macedonian quickly realised that the term “Bulgarian” was locally used to describe poor peasant Slavs.” (not ethnic identity) ” ‘Bulgarian’ tended to reflect the division of labour, rather than “race” or ethnicity. In broad terms, every transhumant shepherd was thought to be a ‘Vlach’, just as merchants were invariably called, or perceived as, ‘Greeks’, and peasants were ‘Bulgarians’. 'Conquering the Souls': Nationalism, Religion and Violence in the Balkans During the 'Long Nineteenth century', c. 1774 - c. 1913 by Dimitris Livanios
@@mellake7052 hmm, funny how poeple used to call their schooles, churches and their language- bulgarian, back then, I guess they were all very confused and misinformed.
@@mellake7052 Obviously, you do not want to comprehend what I wrote, the schooles, the churches, were all not state founded, they were not made from some force outside of the community, now think about it twice. The people organized themselfes into this communities, organisations and so on. There were also educated people, merchants, craftsman etc. in it. All sorts of people. In many macedonian towns there were also some craft associations, which were called bulgarian, not from some outside spectators but by the people that were members of this communities, so what you say make no sense really. The statement that in the 19 century there was simply no selfidentification or feeling in the ethnical sence among the people in Macedonia is plain false. Check Wikipedia for all the bulgarian organisations in all Macedonia in the 19th century. There is plenty to find.
@@dilyandaynovski Wikipedia? That “wonderful source of half-truths and blatant lies” - as described by award-winning Professor Curta? Surely you jest? Wikipedia is the last place any educated person would look. In fact, many schools will not accept Wikipedia quotations from their students and universities would be astounded. All bordering nations have shared histories. Even nations on opposites sides of the world can have shared histories (and many do). We have shared history with Greece, too, to this very day. Doesn’t make us Greek. (Some) shared history = moot point. No-one is denying you the right to identify as Bulgarian. Obviously, after exposure to the Exarchate, many Macedonians converted when the Bulgarian nation was created (by Russia) or leading up to its creation. The point is many more did NOT convert and remained Macedonian, and most (who survived Greek and Bulgarian massacres) still do to this very day, albeit a considerable number have since converted and become Greeks. Such is life. Some Macedonians are now Bulgarian, some are now Greek, no doubt, a small number are now Serbian, but the majority have remained Macedonian and nothing else. Enjoy being Bulgarian but you can’t force others to take the road you (your recent ancestors) did - shared history or no shared history. All nations are new and the *ethnic* definition of “Bulgarian” is new. Until comparatively recently, it simply meant a Slav-speaking Christian peasant who attached to the Exarchate rather than the Patriarchate. Christian Albanians, for example, were called Greeks simply because they attached to the Patriarchate, as were Vlachs and some Macedonians and many others. Privately, they were not Greek - only politically. People identified by religion. If your great grandparents’ abandoned being Macedonians after the intense influence of the Bulgarian church, good for you. You are free to be Bulgarian. I comprehended very well what you wrote, despite the inaccuracies. The evidence is overwhelming that prior to the creation of the Bulgarian nation, the term “Bulgarian” was an umbrella term which referred to many different Slavic-speaking Christians. Much like the term "Romioi" referred to many different ethnic groups during the Roman Empire and Byzantium. Even some of your own historians have written about it. You are the one who did not comprehend the definition of *Bulgarian* in your ancestors’ time so perhaps the following intensely-researched academic findings might be more clear and can enlighten you. Not holding my breath though…
I guess you to be Hellene so your conscient be calm..and begin to learn Greek language..you have much more to understand..Be Greek as Saint Paul has been Christian..and rest makedonas as well..we concéder makedones as Greeks but we don’t want skopians. They have more gypsies than we, and we don’t want more
We know, the level of delusion surpasses even bulgarians and I would say also Albanians (but considering that you are one pleme) it's the same. th-cam.com/video/CD3hL5HAt7s/w-d-xo.html
On October 19, 2018, the Bulgarian speaking Slavs of the former communist enclave consisting of Albanians, Bulgarians, Roma Gypsies, Aromanians, Catholicized Albanians aka “Croatians” and Turks called the #FYROV who’s Central Asian ancestors collectively began a seemingly endless campaign of invading Europe in/around the 6th or 7th Century AD thus bringing about the collapse of the Western Roman Empire with their innate barbarism who have no connection to Greece or the rest of Europe which the Greeks founded and named Europe after the Cretan princess Europe finally abided by the deal they signed requiring that they stop appropriating Greek history, symbols and territory, rename their enclave after a geographical region and refer to an asterisk accompanied by a footnote when stating their identity and language and re embrace their Asiatic heritage. The enclave will be re named North Macedonia and just as the country of East Timor has absolutely nothing to with Timor, North Macedonia will have nothing to do with Macedonia. Just like South Sudan has no relation to the Sudan, the enclave of North Macedonia will have no connection to Macedonia. Just as the Republic of Georgia has nothing to do with the US State of Georgia, the Slavo-Bulgar-Albano-Roma former communist enclave of North Macedonia has nothing to do with Macedonia. Just as Nova Scotia, Canada has nothing to do with Scotland, neither will the Bulgarian speaking Slavs of North Macedonia have any relation to Macedonia. New Brunswick, Canada named after the German city of Braunschweig has nothing to do with the German city of Braunschweig just as the Mongol-derived Bulgars ever had any relation to the founders of Europe. Tripoli, Lebanon and Tripoli, Libya haven’t had anything to do with Tripoli, Greece since the Greeks who colonized these lands left... New York has nothing to do with York, England and North Macedonia has nothing to do with Macedonia. New Jersey has nothing to do with the Island of Jersey, UK just like the Bulgars of the Asian steppe have no connection to Bruce Springsteen’s hometown. New Mexico, although demographically full of those with Mexican ancestry, has nothing to do with Mexico. New Zealand has absolutely nothing to do with Zealand, Denmark. Alexandria, Virginia has nothing to do with the former Greek founded settlement of Alexandria, Egypt. The predominantly black township of Greece, in Upstate New York has nothing to do with Greece. Macedonia in Upstate New York existed before the Titoslavian communist enclave called Vardarska Banovina suddenly became referred to as “Macedonia (sic)”. Speaking of Upstate New York, the city of Syracuse, New York has absolutely nothing to do with Syracuse, Sicily. #FACTS #Bulgars #InvadersOfEurope #FYROV #CommunistYugoslavia
#FACTS #ALBANIANSLAVICVLACHTURKISH SOUP #FOROG #MYTHMAKERS GALORE #FACIST BAVARIAN GREECE “Modern Greece is by no means related either genetically or culturally to the ancient cosmos and the people who once occupied this land. The modern Greeks are just an intermixture of Balkan tribes (Albanians/Arvanites, Slavs, Vlachs) which in the process of time mingled with northern Africans, Armenians and other tribes of Anatolia, not to mention the francs and the venetians who were also dominantly present in this land.” THE SOCIO-CULTURAL ROOTS OF THE Greek ECONOMIC CRISIS Dimitris Epikouris (one of the few honest Greeks)
One of the biggest if not the biggest Macedonian Heroes. I'm not sure if anyone of you know the faith of Marko Boshjnakov. After the attacks, he got arrested along with Pavel Shatev, Milan Arsov & Gjorgji Bogdanov. They were sentenced to death penalty, but the decision was changed to prison in Fezan (Africa). Marko died there, but Pavel and his friends, didn't want to leave him there, so they decided to cut off his head and bring it back to Macedonia. He was born in Ohrid, therefore they brought his head (that they kept it in salt water), back to his hometown. The last known information is that his head was buried near the small church Kuzman and Damjan, right behind the monumental Bogorodica Perivlepta. If you walk in the old town of Ohrid, I'm sure you'd find the table on the wall that marks the house in which he was born. Hope God will forgive their sins and bless their families! This is one of the biggest sacrifices for freedom of Macedonia.
makedonskijazik.mk/2019/04/%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%9F%D0%B8%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5-%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8.html
www.ohridnews.com/106-godini-od-smrtta-na-ohridskiot-gemidhija-marko-boshnakov/
Well done Mario, very informative and exactly what we need.
Thanks Martin!
What's the old movie called & where can watch it?
Solunskite Atentatori. Should be online but if not I can send you a copy.
@@marioshistorytalks Thank you. Does anyone know where I can find Willow bu Milcho Manchevski or the Original documentary Bitola My Birthplace? I've scoured the internet I can't find them anywhere?
U need to be known around the world greetings from maso in Australia
When they said "Po dobri od nas ke dojdat" I instantly thought of zaev and my blood boiled of knowing what these heroes did only to see what's happening now!
Well said. So much sacrifice and bloodshed, only to now see the nation slip backwards thanks to a few traitors lining their pockets and setting up their own children's comfortable futures at the cost of Macedonia's dignity. Zaev and extended family have businesses in Greece and Bulgaria and Zaev himself jumped into bed with his Albanian colleagues way back.
Well said in Bulgarian 😂😂😆
@@mellake7052 Mel lake my hero online warrior greetings
@@MacedonianGrace 😀🖐 Greetings to you too, rikinoki! 🇲🇰👌
@@mellake7052my Makedonijan brother I'll buy you a lunch , I think you know why.🇲🇰🍺🇲🇰🍻🇲🇰🌞🇲🇰🌻🇲🇰🌞🇲🇰🔥🇲🇰🌞🇲🇰🌻💯🐂🐂🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🌞🍺🍻🙃🍻👌🇲🇰 we have shut down so many Greeks and Bulgarians.
Се Колнам : We will protect these young Makedonijan heroes, Thier heroism, Superiority, their honour, their dignity ,they lost not just life but Holy Makedonijan life.
Glory to the , Гемиџиите .
Слава за Македонија Мајчице
Those eight brave Macedonian souls didn't set out to harm innocent people, they wanted to destroy the evil of a tyrannical occupier that was the Ottomans, and that's something every man who values freedom can related to and consider noble.
Може да направиш видео за Јордан Пиперката
Great video, loved the ending.
Children but more guts than the ovci in todays Macedonia
Yep, it takes a whole nation to defend a nation but just a few ovci to destroy it.
Mashallah
Turn off the musuc in background while talking or lower vol
What's the name of the movie
If you can't get hold of the movie, I recommend getting a hold of (Macedonian American) Stoyan Christowe's book called 'Mara'. Although a novel, it is based on fact and depicts the events that Mario talks about in his video. It is an easy, entertaining and very informative read.
Do you have any clue what the movie is called? @@mellake7052
I enjoyed the book so much that I'm going to order a hardcopy to keep for myself and add to my collection.
Thank you so much! @@mellake7052
Perfect timing, Mario!
By coincidence, I’m two thirds of the way through a book called ‘Mara’ by an outstanding Macedonian American, Stoyan Christowe (also Hristoff) - nee Naumoff. Although a novel, it depicts the events you speak about, through the eyes of the hero, Paul. The book helped me understand much more clearly, how and why the comitadji formed to drive out the Ottomans and even mentions the ‘Boatmen’, the tunnel and the plans to blow up the Ottoman Bank in Solun. The book also gives us glimpses of the hardships of village life under Ottoman rule and the sufferings of the women. One cannot help but fall in love with the young hero who could have been any one of these brave young men you talk about.
Stoyan, born 1898, became a journalist, writer and American senator (Vermont) and was simultaneously a passionate Macedonian and American, receiving an honorary doctorate from the Ss. Cyril and Methodius University of Skopje in the Republic of Macedonia and was elected an honorary member of the Macedonian Academy of Arts and Sciences. He is well-known for his famous quotation, “In my life I had two mothers, Macedonia who gave me birth, and America who adopted me.”
With the strong spirit of the young men in your video, Stoyan left his home at the tender age of 13 to seek his fortune but always had a wondrous fascination and admiration for the young comitadji and the heroes that they looked up to such as Goce Delchev. I feel there is a lot of Stoyan in the book’s main character, Paul.
Stoyan was born in a region of Macedonia which is very dear to my heart. I’m trying to collect all his books and next on my list is ‘Heroes and Assassins’.
Bravo decko dravo ja imas poddrskata
Hi Mario, i’m an Aussie Macedonian and would love to have an friendly exchange with you. Is there any way i could get in contact with you other than youtube on a more private platform? Very informative content, great work and hope to hear from you soon.
True Macedonian martyrs...Heroes!
Да живее МАКЕДОНИЈА🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰👌👌👌
During the ottoman times did the Macedonians call it solun or salonika
Solun but in english it was Salonika
@Achilleas Stavropoulos Solun is Solun! Not just Bulgarians,also Serbians, Croatians,Macedonians and many others use that name. Also you can ask most of the Solunians something on Macedonian,and they will understand you everything and tell you that they are not Greeks but Macedonians,then will explain you about the germanogreekisraeloanamerican ocupators...also ask them for the German king of ,,Greece"(the ocupated Macedonian country)👌👌👌
@Achilleas Stavropoulos Kasandros Televisa Presenta xD 😁
@Achilleas Stavropoulos Same goes for our country, call it FYROM, North it's still Macedonia
@Achilleas Stavropoulos Sorry to ask this. Are you and Englishman? Because you talk and write in English? If that makes one nation? Haven't you heard that Slav tribes reached down to Peloponnese and Athens? Or you didn't mixed up with them and you kept your Ancient genes, only these part of Ancient Macedonia Slavs got mixed with the Ancient Macedonians and we ceased to exist - is that what you trying to tell us? :D
You can talk that propaganda to average Macedonian that doesn't read books not to me ;)
For those particularly interested in Mario’s video and the topic in general and want to learn more but cannot get hold of the film, I highly recommend the late Macedonian American Stoyan Christowe’s book, ‘Mara’. Although a novel, it is very fact-based. It is an easy and entertaining read and helps to understand the situation in Macedonia at that time and how the comitadji formed and functioned.
Very informative Mario
Fantastic episodes keep on with the good work
Se za Makedonija
Imro
The people spoken about in this video were Bulgarian. What do you intend to achieve through disinformation?
Brkaj si rabota be
No they weren't. Cope.
@@kristijanmladenovski596,
Everyone has the opportunity to research the truth online nowadays… The Ottoman census data for Macedonia is out there in the open. It talked about the ethnicities populating that region before the Communists decided to create new nations… Cope!
MACEDONIANS 25 CENTURIES from KING FILIP ! ! ! ! !
“The anarchists in the so-called "Geneva group" of students played key roles in the anti-Ottoman struggles. Nearly all the members who founded the Committee in Geneva were natives from Bulgaria and not from Macedonia. Despite of non-Macedonian descent, they espoused Macedonian identity, emancipated from the pan-Bulgarian national project” 😂😂😂😂😂
Even generally low intelligence and low verbal IQ isn’t an excuse for copying an article from Wikipedia word for word.
Another child left behind.
Mario Hristovski Truth hurts don’t it? You deny they’re Bulgarians or are you just deflecting with personal attacks? 😉
Mario Hristovski I mean anyone can do the research and find that they were Bulgarian! Are you baptizing them on your “show” as something else? Juvenile behavior from a supposed college graduate. Your employer know that you’re historically stupid?
Mario Hristovski here for viewers to find out the truth on these Bulgarians books.google.com/books/about/Anarchy_in_Athens.html?id=Vw-pDgAAQBAJ
shut the fuck up enjoy the show @@keystone859
One of those boatmen was Pavel Satel. All the imformations come from him and the book he wrote. He was arrested, spend some years in a turkish prison. Then he studied in Brussels, returned in Thessaloniki and became a teacher in the BULGARIAN SCHOOL.Later he went to Bulgaria when during the 2nd w.w. he was prisoned as a spy for the Soviet union. Why don't you tell everything Mario? Maybe because all of them were BULGARIANS acting for your motherland BULGARIA.
24 veka od FILIP KRAL do 1913 SOLUN MAKEDONSKI GRAD.
Teritorija na MAKEDONIJA Kavala--------Solun--------Halkidiki---------Pella .
@@tatjanavelkova5814 Solun is in Mongolia. This is Thessaloniki. Build in 315B.C. When you had tails.
24 veka od FILIP KRAL do 1913 TERITORIJA NA MAKEDONIJA
Kavala------------Solun-----------Halkidiki-----------Pella so Egejsko more.
@@tatjanavelkova5814 Go back to your cave mutant bulgarian
By chance I have a book from Ivan Popjordanov, his grandgrandfather Peter ( Petyr) was brother of Gjoshe ( Гьоше) Popjordanov, which is the father of Milan ( Mile ) and Orce. Peter Popjordanov had four sons: Ivan, Ilija, Grigo and Kiro. So the author of the book- Ivan Popjordanov was the grandson from Ivan Popjordanov.
His grandfather- дядо Иван was the cousin of Mile and Orce.
In his book Ivan Popjordanov writes clear and outlines that the whole family- his father- Petar, his grandfather Ivan, his Grandmother Elena Proycheva, they were all proud Bulgarians. Our history is shared and there is nothing you can do about it.We used to be one!
“Western travellers to Macedonian quickly realised that the term “Bulgarian” was locally used to describe poor peasant Slavs.” (not ethnic identity)
” ‘Bulgarian’ tended to reflect the division of labour, rather than “race” or ethnicity. In broad terms, every transhumant shepherd was thought to be a ‘Vlach’, just as merchants were invariably called, or perceived as, ‘Greeks’, and peasants were ‘Bulgarians’.
'Conquering the Souls': Nationalism, Religion and Violence in the Balkans During the 'Long Nineteenth century', c. 1774 - c. 1913 by Dimitris Livanios
@@mellake7052 hmm, funny how poeple used to call their schooles, churches and their language- bulgarian, back then, I guess they were all very confused and misinformed.
@@dilyandaynovski Obviously, you don't comprehend the meaning of that scholarly quotation.
@@mellake7052 Obviously, you do not want to comprehend what I wrote, the schooles, the churches, were all not state founded, they were not made from some force outside of the community, now think about it twice.
The people organized themselfes into this communities, organisations and so on.
There were also educated people, merchants, craftsman etc. in it.
All sorts of people.
In many macedonian towns there were also some craft associations, which were called bulgarian, not from some outside spectators but by the people that were members of this communities, so what you say make no sense really.
The statement that in the 19 century there was simply no selfidentification or feeling in the ethnical sence among the people in Macedonia is plain false.
Check Wikipedia for all the bulgarian organisations in all Macedonia in the 19th century. There is plenty to find.
@@dilyandaynovski Wikipedia? That “wonderful source of half-truths and blatant lies” - as described by award-winning Professor Curta? Surely you jest? Wikipedia is the last place any educated person would look. In fact, many schools will not accept Wikipedia quotations from their students and universities would be astounded.
All bordering nations have shared histories. Even nations on opposites sides of the world can have shared histories (and many do). We have shared history with Greece, too, to this very day. Doesn’t make us Greek. (Some) shared history = moot point.
No-one is denying you the right to identify as Bulgarian. Obviously, after exposure to the Exarchate, many Macedonians converted when the Bulgarian nation was created (by Russia) or leading up to its creation. The point is many more did NOT convert and remained Macedonian, and most (who survived Greek and Bulgarian massacres) still do to this very day, albeit a considerable number have since converted and become Greeks. Such is life. Some Macedonians are now Bulgarian, some are now Greek, no doubt, a small number are now Serbian, but the majority have remained Macedonian and nothing else.
Enjoy being Bulgarian but you can’t force others to take the road you (your recent ancestors) did - shared history or no shared history.
All nations are new and the *ethnic* definition of “Bulgarian” is new. Until comparatively recently, it simply meant a Slav-speaking Christian peasant who attached to the Exarchate rather than the Patriarchate.
Christian Albanians, for example, were called Greeks simply because they attached to the Patriarchate, as were Vlachs and some Macedonians and many others. Privately, they were not Greek - only politically. People identified by religion. If your great grandparents’ abandoned being Macedonians after the intense influence of the Bulgarian church, good for you. You are free to be Bulgarian.
I comprehended very well what you wrote, despite the inaccuracies. The evidence is overwhelming that prior to the creation of the Bulgarian nation, the term “Bulgarian” was an umbrella term which referred to many different Slavic-speaking Christians. Much like the term "Romioi" referred to many different ethnic groups during the Roman Empire and Byzantium. Even some of your own historians have written about it.
You are the one who did not comprehend the definition of *Bulgarian* in your ancestors’ time so perhaps the following intensely-researched academic findings might be more clear and can enlighten you. Not holding my breath though…
*Thessaloniki
. SOLUN MACEDONIAN TOWN * * *
Solun
No Greeks here to see sorry 😐
@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos I’d be more concerned about learning how to properly string a sentence together, If I were you.
@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos wow,! you really mustn’t have much to do.
@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos ok Konstantin, you win. From now on I will consult you about history, promise.
@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos 🤣
I guess you to be Hellene so your conscient be calm..and begin to learn Greek language..you have much more to understand..Be Greek as Saint Paul has been Christian..and rest makedonas as well..we concéder makedones as Greeks but we don’t want skopians. They have more gypsies than we, and we don’t want more
MACEDONIANS 25 CENTURIES speak Macedonian language ! ! !
We know, the level of delusion surpasses even bulgarians and I would say also Albanians (but considering that you are one pleme) it's the same.
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On October 19, 2018, the Bulgarian speaking Slavs of the former communist enclave consisting of Albanians, Bulgarians, Roma Gypsies, Aromanians, Catholicized Albanians aka “Croatians” and Turks called the #FYROV who’s Central Asian ancestors collectively began a seemingly endless campaign of invading Europe in/around the 6th or 7th Century AD thus bringing about the collapse of the Western Roman Empire with their innate barbarism who have no connection to Greece or the rest of Europe which the Greeks founded and named Europe after the Cretan princess Europe finally abided by the deal they signed requiring that they stop appropriating Greek history, symbols and territory, rename their enclave after a geographical region and refer to an asterisk accompanied by a footnote when stating their identity and language and re embrace their Asiatic heritage.
The enclave will be re named North Macedonia and just as the country of East Timor has absolutely nothing to with Timor, North Macedonia will have nothing to do with Macedonia.
Just like South Sudan has no relation to the Sudan, the enclave of North Macedonia will have no connection to Macedonia.
Just as the Republic of Georgia has nothing to do with the US State of Georgia, the Slavo-Bulgar-Albano-Roma former communist enclave of North Macedonia has nothing to do with Macedonia.
Just as Nova Scotia, Canada has nothing to do with Scotland, neither will the Bulgarian speaking Slavs of North Macedonia have any relation to Macedonia.
New Brunswick, Canada named after the German city of Braunschweig has nothing to do with the German city of Braunschweig just as the Mongol-derived Bulgars ever had any relation to the founders of Europe.
Tripoli, Lebanon and Tripoli, Libya haven’t had anything to do with Tripoli, Greece since the Greeks who colonized these lands left...
New York has nothing to do with York, England and North Macedonia has nothing to do with Macedonia.
New Jersey has nothing to do with the Island of Jersey, UK just like the Bulgars of the Asian steppe have no connection to Bruce Springsteen’s hometown.
New Mexico, although demographically full of those with Mexican ancestry, has nothing to do with Mexico.
New Zealand has absolutely nothing to do with Zealand, Denmark.
Alexandria, Virginia has nothing to do with the former Greek founded settlement of Alexandria, Egypt.
The predominantly black township of Greece, in Upstate New York has nothing to do with Greece.
Macedonia in Upstate New York existed before the Titoslavian communist enclave called Vardarska Banovina suddenly became referred to as “Macedonia (sic)”.
Speaking of Upstate New York, the city of Syracuse, New York has absolutely nothing to do with Syracuse, Sicily.
#FACTS
#Bulgars
#InvadersOfEurope
#FYROV
#CommunistYugoslavia
#FACTS
#ALBANIANSLAVICVLACHTURKISH SOUP
#FOROG
#MYTHMAKERS GALORE
#FACIST BAVARIAN GREECE
“Modern Greece is by no means related either genetically or culturally to the ancient cosmos and the people who once occupied this land. The modern Greeks are just an intermixture of Balkan tribes (Albanians/Arvanites, Slavs, Vlachs) which in the process of time mingled with northern Africans, Armenians and other tribes of Anatolia, not to mention the francs and the venetians who were also dominantly present in this land.” THE SOCIO-CULTURAL ROOTS OF THE Greek ECONOMIC CRISIS Dimitris Epikouris (one of the few honest Greeks)
Cope.
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MACEDONIANS speak Macedonian language ! ! ! @ you aka Vranje.
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