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I fell out of my chair when I saw Carth's face on the Exile. WTF, man.
Carthcucked
When you know you're going to be betrayed.
We don’t want to talk about it
DAMN YOU GO
Yeah, I really don't understand why anyone would want to see his stupid face ever again. That whiner is the only character in the first game I didn't like.
Just because I rescued her doesn't mean I'm going to charge up her loading ramp. Geeze! lol ;)
xXxM0nteNegr0xXx I've actually said this before.
I know he wants to 'use' his lightsaber on her ;)
Indeed, the writers had... quite the way with words in that dialogue. :)
Most interesting choice of words none the less.
"Such a union would breed...difficulties" Yeah like child support.
Haha
Btw, what did Kreia really mean by that?
Señor Donald Trumpez genetic abnormalities, due to miraluka and human DNA this was before it was established they could breed.
Just children in general are difficulties
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if i remember my wookiepedia right, what she means is that baseline humans and near-humans are suprisingly not capable of crossbreed conception. Though i am not sure if this is just a miraluka thing or applies to all near humans so dont quote me as a source or anything.
It's worth playing a female for the difference in Sion's reaction to her, it makes him so much more interesting to kind of have a love/hate thing for the exile
Yeah, I remember he calls the Exile beautiful or something. I was like...what was up with that? LOL
It’s canon, the exile is female
@Jona whoa.
@@killemkillua
Yeah it kinda sucks.
Headcannon for me was Revan was female and Exile was male.
Also she gets done dirty in the cannon as being completely worthless in the KOTOR novels.
@@erikstrasburg6411 what novels? What did it do?
3:53 "Just because I saved her doesn't mean I was going to charge up her loading ramp."
Subtle
About as subtle as -Crayon- Kreia
I wish Mira was available as a romance in the game. She's got a lot of personality.
I'm glad she's not. I hate when the entire team is willing to have sex with you after 3 approval dialogues (like in Dragon age origins). It makes me feel i'm in a teenager shit series or something.
@@foxmulder8955 You know what? Valid
Indeed, valid... But fuck you, mods overrule ALL LOGIC
Goto: Running around half naked is not a personality trait
@@foxmulder8955 but the thing is, they progress over time, not just instantly lmao. it depends on how you continue the romances and influence, but dragon age inquisition actually takes its time, dragon age ii tries too as well.
Visas' romance scene is so beautiful.
+HEXcellerate Its infact my favourite romance in video games. The pure love and raw emotion is like nothing else.
+HEXcellerate revan and bastila's romance was the most beautiful, i only played kotor 2 to have another romance withbastila, it's a shame she isn't actually an avaliable character
Imo, Visas sounds like a maniac lmao
Ned Crow don’t you dare talk shit about visas😂
@@nedcrow3493 Yeah it makes it hard to get into Male Exile / Visas, imo. She just sounds so damaged... Like, how could you take her up on her offer in good conscience?
It's a shame that KOTOR 2 was so rushed and LucasArts had to be control freaks to Oblivion and force them to release the game too quickly. So much potentially great content was removed from the game that would've made the story and overall experience richer and more complete. Case in point, the romance options.
Whilst the romantic tension is still there in the game, it never properly progressed and it felt hollow. The scene with Visas is a beautifully delivered cutscene and showed how much the Exile meant to her, but it would've been nice to have seen more of that connection between the two as well as with the Handmaiden. Same with fem Exile. It would've been great to see the option to develop a romance between either Atton or Mical or even Bao-Dur for that matter and see how it affects the overall story and the central character. If KOTOR 1 and 2 had been made around the same time as the Mass Effect and Dragon Age games, I imagine there would've been more romance options with your team members considering how ME2 was chock full of them. Male Exile could have the option to romance either Visas, Brianna or Mira. Fem Exile could romance either Atton, Bao-Dur or Mical.
I also wanted some fucking mira action god dammit xD! She was my type fck
Or at least an older Mission Vao (spelling?) to replace Mira? Haven't played in a while, so I don't know if that would work...
that's just cause of your choices man....one of them gets really attached...the other distant depending on what you do
Makes me so sad you cannot reciprocate Visas feelings :( she is sweet af.
Lol...was not expecting to see Carth at that moment...it threw me for a second.
When Visas told the exile of her love for him at 8:58 the tenderness and vulnerbiliy in her voice made my breath stop... great voice acting...incredible.
What Visas says when she asks the Exile to stay is...touching, eloquent and beautiful.
"Just because I saved her doesn't mean I am going to charge her up her loading ramp" is like one of the best quotes I have ever heard in my life.
"do you think you could put some clothes on?"
"it does not seem to bother you."
....*raises twix bar slowly*...
I began playing the game as male exile and instantly shiped him with Atton. It quickly became my OTP, but when I saw the interactions the male exile had with Visas, somehow I got two OTP.
She's so sweet in her own manner and the way she shows affection feels so genuine and deep. Also, the fact that she can't see your body and still is attracted towards him is beautiful. Obviously there are somethings a little creepy like the way she keeps saying "my life for yours", but at the same time it left me imagining how the relationship would have evolved should the events have happened in a different way.
Backstory aside, I headcanon'd that they previously knew each other and she was simply returning to someone who gave her a reason to go on after everything she went through. Made the in-game interactions less creepy.
"…and where they look at you and see the death of the Force, I look at you and see hope for all life."
that is so romantic :P
8:51 Visas' dialogue sounds a lot like what Anakin says the Padmé, but she does it so much better than him!!
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That voice is insanely sexy. But, yeah, what she's saying is every bit as fucked up.
Visas: I hate sand
I loved playing this game. I remember it well. First time I played I was going for Brianna but ended up being with Visas. That was long ago, but now, I think Visas just made my top list again. I now want to play again and see her story fully.
Whatever...URGES consume you. Always makes me laugh. And Visas indeed has a boss romantic heart!
It is shame you do not upload anymore... :'(
LordOfBait its ok, he was actually a guy :-(
It's sort of funny. I found it more enjoyable to play KOTOR I as a female and KOTOR II as a male, yet cannon dictates that its flip-flopped. This makes me sad....
Especially considering while he's adorable if you're female, Carth can be annoying as heck in the male game.
Yep I completely agree. Female Revan and Male Exile are very cool playthroughs on KOTOR I and 2. Although they are not cannon I find them far more interesting.
Yes i remember i defeat darth malak just use a grenade and landmine
I however male both game is more awesome since you can romance bastille which is a must
Same goes for kotor 2 since you can romance both visas and the handmaiden.
Yeah, and the response 'Just because I saved her doesn't man I was going to charge up her loading ramp' is hysterical
This is Carth Onasi, and you are my favourite last surviving crew member on the endar spire.
3:53 HAHHAHAHAHAHHAH go up jer loading ramp lmfao.
I got better
Stick my crystal halberd into her Gaping Dragon ;)
For me, I would romance with Brianna. *NOTHING* against Visas!! I adored Visas because after she left Darth Nihilus, she is restoring to who she used to be prior to being his slave. Plus she is more personal Force wise.
Brianna, on the other hand, would be the one that would be the hardest to turn away from if I had to go and follow Revan to the Unknown Regions. She’s soft spoken, but badass in her own Echani way. You can practically *FEEL* her emotions as she talks.
8:41 "From the moment I heard your voice across the galaxy, I have longed for you. It is the echo, a wound that travels still, that when heard, made me understand that there was another wounded as I was, one who had felt the same sense of loss. When I heard it, I loved you more than my own life..."
Visas, that's called trauma bonding, and it's...not great. The Force seems to do that quite a bit.
Teen me: Oh wow! :D
Adult me: Oh crap! D:
Dude this game is amazing even after being released after so long, like the conversation of kreia with the exile to me had so much power and reason wow powerful game. Like what she said indeed sounded wise
Mical, he is the disciple you find in the dantooine ruins. He replaces Handmaiden if you are playing as a female exile
Mira and Visas had amazing voice actors :3 their delivery on every line is perfect, full of emotion, right what it needs to be, handmaiden, while an interesting character, did not always manage to convey the feelings she was supposedly admitting to :S what makes this game tough for me, is trying to choose between superior male romances and characters, and that amazing fem exile story with Atton :3
Kelly Hu is a goddamn treasure
Omg I had an uber lol when the Handmaiden is talking about betraying Atris and then it cuts to Carth.
Honestly did not expect Carths face... his expression was lolworthy. :P
A long time ago when I owned and Xbox and owned a copy of those game in this format I found that there was more romance dialogue with hand maiden after you make her Jedi guardian and and she’s whereing her mother robes you can get her to take them off at that point the seen cuts off and you talk about the hanky panky you did and how she regrets iv tried to replicate this in the moded pc version with the full restore with no availbe but I will never give up the secret is all in who you have influence and who you don’t have it’s like a 8 person combination lock that drives me to play this game over and over again to see all the different outcomes has anyone else seen this hidden dialogue so people don’t think I’m nuts lol
i always choose :
for male exile : visas > brianna
for female exile : atton > disciple
Good Choice
I watched a full walkthrough of the canon lightside female walkthrough after playing through a grey male character twice (First Jedi Guardian/Jedi Weaponmaster then Jedi Guardian/Sith Lord). I have to say, and I'll probably get hate for this, but the male exile story just fits the narrative so much better. Male exile gets Briana, which makes Atris turning to the darkside more believable since she once loved the male exile and became jealous of Briana and angry that the man she used to love and now hated caused her only Force sensitive handmaiden to break her oath. Plus it also makes more sense with Kreia being Arren Kae.... Female exile gets Mical, who is relatively unimportant to the story. And Darth Sion? He loves a female exile and lets himself die out of that love. However, he DESPISES a male exile, and lets himself die generally because he knows he can never defeat you, and dies in loathing. The female exile story was good, I just feel like male exile is darker and just better....
Or the Exile could be a lesbian, so she can still get Briana, and that can all still happen.
Briana doesn't join the female exile though.
Brian Sheehan They cut that content unfortunately 😢
@@liveehivy Actually that can't still happen because Artis didn't love the female exile and Darth Sion love the exile and didn't loath her.
@@jimharrison2513 Actually that can still happen. I talked to George Lucas and he told me it can still happen.
Alternate with male exile is really interesting. Who knows how could be change the star wars universe?
Hell with canon. To me, Revan was female and the Exile male.
"just because i saved her doesn't mean i was going to charge up her loading ramp" i laughed so hard at this
3:54 haha "Just because I saved her doesn't mean I was going to charge up her loading ramp"
Even the best actors and actresses come across roles they're not as spectacular at, I just feel that Grey had a hard time trying to convey the very specific emotion that Brianna's character portrays, hers was the hardest role of the women I feel, the handmaiden's character was an odd one, her lines stranger still, while it doesn't hit the notes I feel it should have, it was definitely a commendable effort, and handmaiden remains one of my face characters to date :3
Being socially awkward myself, I can believe that she'd have a hard time properly conveying how she feels since she's very out of her element when she follows the Exile. The fact that she willingly steps out of her comfort zone to follow me earns her my respect.
when you play a Female Exile, you get Mical from Dantooine and when you play a Male Exile, you get the Handmaiden from Telos. that's what happens if i understood you right.
lol ive always had a lust for more with this game, but couldnt play it long enough to find out due to more important priorities like study etc, but man ive always wanted to know what happens fully in this game , there is so much depth to it and not enough time for me to explore it all thanks for posting this up and ur other videos :) subscription + 5/5 favourited =D
I think they should have added this line for Mira, directed at Atton and Mical. "I don't know what the two of you are arguing about. I caught her, she's mine. :3"
Pity the fem toons never get this much romance,, like in SWTOR.
tehPrincessJ i really enjoy all your videos from kotoR, u do always a really good job. thanks AGAIN for this video.
Lol I bet Visas and the Exile "looked" at each other all night long. Poor Handmaiden!
Visas' romance was so great.
The reason why the female exiles do not get as much love is because none of your companions are ATM cards ;)
What?
@@ggt47 He is saying none of the companions have a lot of money. In other words she is a gold digger.
I always loved all the crap that happens when you go male. Like... at least 3 women fall for you and it also helps to make Atris more interesting. According to wookieepedia the "jedi exile" is actually suppose to be a woman. I've beaten it as both and I just prefer male because of this...and maybe because I'm a guy. lol, still just funny. One thing that does suck that Visas is like, the last one I'd choose to go with and she's the only choice. Damn game, still love it though.
My fav K2 romance is the male exile and the Handmaiden.
At some point i'll have to play the restored version of kotor 2. I feel it will be more fun than an unmodded version since when i originally played it on xbox it tended to be buggy at times
Jeez, I have to do a male playthrough! I wish we could get some of that sizzle with Atton, though... he's my favorite
LOL@ Kreia saying: i trust your exile has taught you restrain and discipline in the ways of the flesh
"love"is purely platonic in this game.. now Sion however, he mayorly simps for Female Meetra
Or more accurately, story wise in my opinion, female exile is better for a lightside playthrough. Male exile is better for a grey/darkside playthrough.
Kelly Hu absolutely killed it as visas
I've done that before, but didn't notice anything worth adding to this vid (it's already pretty much at the time limit). I'll have to check it out the next time I play K2 as a male. :)
I like Revan's robe w/o the cape. :) but then again, I don't like wearing Revan's mask, either. ;) And yes, mods are quite fabulous, aren't they?
One of the biggest problems with this game for me is that the romance is so weak. Even as a male exile you can get all these females to be all over you but you can't really be more than friends with them. The game doesn't let you delve deeper into the relationships which is utterly disappointing. It's annoying how Visas completely opens herself to me with her feelings and I get this warm fuzzy feeling inside during her dialogue but then when they show my options, I CAN'T CONFESS BACK!!!
Hey what mods are u using?
The non-cannon gender gets all the extra love options.
I love the music in this game. The music in the first game is great too. Ah nostalgia....
your vids are cool good work! and sorry bout this, but I have a question for FRAPS; do you know a good soundcard that works to actually get sound or what type of soundcard you are using?
You know why this is my favorite game? For the commentary. Especially stuff like this.. I been playing this game for years and I probably havn't unlocked half this stuff
If you want anything longer than 30 seconds, then yes, you do have to buy it. I made my very 1st vid with the free trial, though! ;)
I find it hard to believe that anyone would go to war for Kreia, especially someone with a beautiful echani wife already waiting at home. Kreia doesn't strike me as relationship material, and I get the feeling she hasn't changed much over the years even when she became a Sith.
Kreia is too old to be talking about, "what a union would breed."
mass effect is a lot like this, but the conversations are much simpler.
"And I want to see what I see when I gaze upon you. I want to know why I cannot look at you, and why I am drawn to you."
I remember watching this video in 2008, good times.
Since it's YOU who's asking, I'll make one (Might take me a while)! Won't be much to it, I'm afraid, but I'll put together all the stuff that made me THINK something was gonna happen w/ Atton. ;)
At first, I couldn't tell who voiced Brianna. I knew that I knew her voice, but it just wouldn't click. But when she said "father did" it all came to me. Like Azula would speak of Ozai. Like Natla would speak of Richard. Grey Delisle! :O
4:26 I like his outfit.
Yes. I like to see EVERYTHING in these games, so I've played thru K2 dark sided countless times, and K1 a time or 2, also. It's harder for me to play K1 dark sided because of what happens between female Revan and Carth when you do.
But just remind yourself, it's only a game! If you feel bad doing it, just play thru light-sided again when you finish! :)
it's the Disciple, AKA Mical. Tehprincessj said she was using a 'new Disciple' mod.
yea, the male does get more stuff, (which is awesome, cuz i'm a guy! woot!), and then there's this mod you can get for "enhanced romancement with visas" which is even cooler. And I do agree, it would be cool to have mira as a love interest.
p.s. 1st comment!
"And just because I saved her doesn't mean I was going to charge up her loading ramp..." XD I agree, @CelticDragon0. I laugh every time at that.
Like "force sex"? xD
Well, she DOES tell him that she loves him. :)
this is about the extend of the romance in this game. But Visas and Brianna BOTH tell you they love you. That's more than us female Exiles get.
That was AWESOME! Thanks for creating and posting this video!
I used some modding software to change the mod & make the dialog less stilled.If I played as a female I would choose Atton over Mical. He rulz!
I'm pretty sure Chris Avellone (the lead designer/writer) has been on record saying that he prefers romances to be unrequited. I think he's one of those folks who likes making characters suffer (y'know, like Joss Whedon).
I'm pretty sure it's expressly stated that her mom is Aeren Kae, and Kae isn't Kreia. She was supposed to have died at Malachor V in the mass shadow generator. That and Brianna is gorgeous and Kreia isn't, and probably never was.
these conversations are so funny,good video tehPrincessJ
Erm... were you paying attention? I'm pretty sure Kreia IS Kae.
And yes, we all know that Kae died on Malachor V. Just like Vader killed Anakin.
As to her looks, being a Sith Lord can do that to a girl.
But it's OK. I won't lose sleep over it if you disagree with me. ;)
You see this after Brianna and Visas have their first "fight", which happens when Visas has at least 15 more influence points with you than Brianna does.
It's easy, really, because you should have Visas at 100 after your very first conversation, whereas Brianna's influence takes a bit more time to aquire. ;)
This is part of the reason why I didn't think the Exile should have been canonized as female.
That makes no sense. The Exile can still be female and have great romance stories with the women, she'd just be a lesbian. It makes more sense for the Exile to be female.
yellow, blue. green, violet, red, orange, silver, viridian, and cyan (I THINK that's all of them).
Archer's "Darth Bandon & Sith Master Robe" mod.
You can take it any way you want it. I always thought that in that scene they share something BIGGER than a kiss.
I also suspect that Kreia's her mum. How much drama is there in THAT? xD
And I'm just supposed to keep answering your questions after what you just called me? Why do you even CARE?
FYI, I DON'T prefer to be a man. But the story IS a bit fuller as a male Exile.
I know this post is 11 years old, but I seriously want to know the context of this comment lmao
@@blobber51 Same, i wanna know the sucker who got lit up
Oh - and the writers who work with him tend to agree with him and reflect that philosophy. I have nothing but respect for the guys at Obsidian - especially the Planescape Torment vets.
Come on. Revenge. And then protecting the main character. what could be more romantic?
she shows up after battle of telos where you talk with Carth but YOU wont ever talk to her
Again, You see this after Brianna and Visas have their first "fight", which happens when Visas has at least 15 more influence points with you than Brianna does.
It's easy, really, because you should have Visas at 100 after your very first conversation, whereas Brianna's influence takes a bit more time to aquire. ;)
Of course the Handmaiden &Visa romance enhancement mods make these scenes even cooler.
Do you think you could do one with the fem-Exile romance plots. Even though there are only a few.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. But KOTOR 2 has the best dialogue ever written, and that is a fact. No, I am utterly serious. It may not be as great a game as KOTOR 1, but the dialogue is like pure poetry! The characters let striking words spill from their mouths, and I, the player, actually believe them. Please, Bioware, once ME3 is concluded...use everything that you have learned in the past 10 years, and make KOTOR 3. We all want to know where Revan went. TOR doesn't cut it.
nice carth mod, luv him!!
(first vid game crush, then atton came along and that crush with carth ended as soon as it started) rofl
@RocktheSocks uhhh...pardon my idiocracy but what do you mean by...cannon?
i know you do not speak of a weapon...
The game plays so much better as a male exile. Brianna blows Mical out of the water. He's such a dull and pedantic character. Brianna's backstory opens up an entire new section of the story for KOTOR 2. Mical's backstory is... forgettable. Like, literally I've forgotten what it is. Also, Atris's feelings towards the exile make more sense when he's male and romantic exchanges between Visas and the male exile are far better than any of the romantic options the female exile has open to her. It's a failure of quality writing on the female story side, but I suspect the game was originally intended to have a male exile as canon.