The "Match Zbrush Model Scale (x0.01) is essential if you ever want work with symmetry and prevent it from being lost - it's the same thing as "Unify" under deformations and because it basically shrinks it down to unit size, you should have enough brush scale that you wouldn't have to frig with it in preferences. When sending back to CC4, you will have to choose the scale (x100) to match it back again in CC4. Also bones will not change unless you choose to fit it (can be auto aligned in CC4 later) A big tip to anyone new, create a morph target, subdivide to the levels you want before using masks, if you use a mask then subdivide it will break the vert count and you can't send it back to CC4 to update the character. The morph target is to switch to your original character shape after subdividing if you need it. One new thing that i learned here that I thought was very cool, is that morph modification in character in CC4 can be sent back to your Zbrush model with subdivisions and I've been using CC4 between Zbrush for years.. thanks Michael!
I have been following you for years. You are a truly outstanding artist with such amazing techniques. Thanks for another insanely valuable piece of content!
Thank you for adding time stamps. gonna try and force myself to use this on the next character I do.... I love the idea of having access to facial animations...
Great stuff!, the weird thing is that I understand every damn step. And there are so few that actually understand this... Not really a topic for beers with friends, but hey I got you lot...
I love your workflow I'm so excited to dive in but first I have to learn zbrush and painter so that I can keep up I'm a new subscriber I hope there's a playlist you have for learning each program individually
For sure, getting started in ZBrush you can find here: th-cam.com/play/PLkzopwqcFevYP1Nm3wIKsyH-jQTkk8AhS.html ; my substance painter playlist is a little dated, but Adobe has some good getting started videos! th-cam.com/play/PLkzopwqcFevYLqzU5eUZSFzyidouqwSQP.html
It's funny looking at this now using the CC4 workflow, remembering your old Eat3D Zbrush 3.5 production character series where you created the character from scratch and another fella rigged/skinned it in 3dsMax. The amount of time/work saved here with the full rigging, including facial rig, is crazy. :D
Hey Michael, I'm always so grateful for all the things I'm learning through your teachings, thank you so much. Question: is there a specific reason why you are not ticking the "Match ZBrush Model Scale (x 0.01) option before clicking the GoZ button? Wouldn't that sort the "issue" with the brush size straightforward?
That, or you can use the ZPlugin > Scale Master ZBrush Unifiy, which will update your export scale. I tend to just keep things vanilla after some incompatibility with layers (don't want to hit that button with FaceTools I don't think?) but feel free!
@@MichaelPavlovich i see, thanks for the tip. Also, sorry to bother you with another nooby question: I don't understand which step I am missing, but I'm trying to experiment a little bit with the CC4/Goz back and forth and for example i wanted to create a scar on the lip of my character so i did it in Sub lvl 6, but when i sent it back to CC4 i couldn't see the scar on my character. So i went back to Zbrush and just to try it out i pulled out the head making a super long neck and sent it back to CC4 and this time i could see my char turning into a giraffe. So what am i missing? Why am I only able to see big changes but none of the small details made in Subdiv 6? Infact, i can see around 39:00, when you go back to CC4 and update the goblin, he doesn't seem to have all the great details you had in Zbrush, but after that you move to Substance Painter so I feel I've got this gap of knowledge to give myself an explanation XD (it's probably something silly but I can't figure it out). Thanks for any reply and sorry for the super long post O.o
@@da_drood-digitalart no worries at all (and apologize to you or anybody who's questions I've missed, I don't catch them all); there's two ways to get your sdiv2-x details baked to your sdiv1 model: GoZ Plus: th-cam.com/video/bnHz1U64lco/w-d-xo.htmlsi=JRHOWvlOfJl1C4S2&t=2303 Substance Painter Bridge: th-cam.com/video/M2mU15bIq3I/w-d-xo.html
@@MichaelPavlovich thank you so much for your availability and kindness Michael! I'll definitely look into both videos to figure it out. (EDIT: i saw the first video, but will have to look at it again paying more attention!). You got such huge awesome library of video tutorials and I am so eager to learn (probably too quickly also XD) that it's kinda hard to catch up lol. Thanks again :D
Very useful thanks man, though I have a question, Between CC4 and Daz3D, what's the difference between the two? what are the pros and cons of each? considering one is an expensive software while the other is free, there must be something to justify the price gap right?
question: It's not clear to me how the skin texture from character creator 4 was exported to Zbrush. I also want to add that I really appreciate you showing us this workflow.
man this looks so amazing. I saw your previous posing vids that used CC4 and I was wondering if all of this can be achieved, the character creation process and the rigging and posing process with just zbrush and cc4? or does this pipeline need iClone as well?
@@MichaelPavlovich btw can you do all of this with the free version of cc4? more specifically the zbrush->cc4 link stuff? I'd like to give it a try first before I decide on buying cc4 :)
@@adrianalcomendras6754 I think so? I've never used the free version so I'm not positive, but the ZBrush Pose Tools plugin is free (and can/should be installed for all the cool functionality, regardless of whether or not you use CC), and as far as I know (?) GoZ functionality is just "built in" to CC (although make sure to install the PoseTools plugin for CC using the reallusion hub). Long story short, download the trial and find out, but I think you'll have everything you need!
Awesome content! Complicated question: Is there a way to import a basemesh that I created in ZBrush into CC4 and have all features of CC4 work for that basemesh?
Yes (without facial animation), there's a whole playlist on that workflow here: th-cam.com/play/PLkzopwqcFevZPD511TZxfcshIrELHLNDy.html You can use Headshot 2.0 to generate a full body with animatable facial features from a legacy sculpt, or you could use Wrap3/zwrap/zbrush project to project CC topology to your arbitrary ZBrush mesh, and transfer your ZBrush data to their topology, complete process in this video: th-cam.com/video/4TTEJ8tC9X/w-d-xo.html
@@MichaelPavlovich Hey man! Thanks so much for the walkthrough on this, it's awesome! If we used the Zwrap method and poject topology to a CC basemesh, would that maintain the ability to use facial animations in Character Creator? Thanks so much!
Not sure if someone's already asked this but where did yo get the elf ear morph sliders? I search in mine and find nothing. Are they additional to base cc4? Keep up the good work!
Hey Michael, My dynamesh and deformation both do not work and only adjust the model a tiny bit, I assume this is because of the size of the character, how do I fix this. Is there a negative to just scaling the character down or does this cause issues in Character Creator 4?
I'm trying to bake in Substance, the issue is Zbrush's high mesh is small in Substance. I assume that I wasn't suppose to click scale 1.0 when I went between cc4 and Zbrush
Michael, curious. Is there a way to export a high poly version of the included models or will it always be the low poly version? Not through GoZ or anything but straight up export to .fbx for example
Out of CC it will always be your low poly (it's difficult to move around 20 million polygons, but it's easy to move around 50k polygons that control the sdiv 1 of those 20 million polys). If you GoZ or PoseTools out of CC back to ZBrush, then that will move the verts into the new posed position, go to Subtool > All High, then Tool > Export to export all your high res geo as an .fbx
I recently purchased Character Creator and iclone etc. However, I have Substance painter greyed out in my UI. Its not in the Reallusion's HUB like everything else. How did you get Substance painter linked with Character Creator 4? I can't seem to find any info on that process.
Oh nvm. I found the answer. I noticed that you also have it greyed out some times which got me thinking maybe its just the kind of mesh selected. I'm guessing if the model has uv's or something then it allows you to send to substance painter (or maybe material assignments?). I guess I'll figure that out later, but good to know that I am not missing a plugin here. Been following your recent video uploads also, exciting times! Thanks for staying on the cutting edge and delivering as always!
when you goz to Zbrush, you didn't push scale 1.0,,,,,,,,,, how did you keep Zbrush's move brush the same because when I goz a character, the Zbrush's brush size is small and the move brush has a little effect
after creating my high res clothing, then create the low res - standard high res to game res bake workflow, process hasn't changed in 20 years. zbrush, max, maya, modo, blender, c4d, houdini, 3d coat, topogun, headus uvlayout, rizom, yada yada, pick your favorite low res and UV creator, or a combination, export it, bake it, texture it up! EDIT - also video 05 and beyond in this series: th-cam.com/play/PLkzopwqcFevb_Nl1KBzLe1_NaBmcOQJY0.html
hi michael!, one question. In the moment i use dynamesh on the base body i will lose all the facials and that stuff right? i mean i cant change the base topology in any circumstances
Correct, you can't change the vertex order. However, you can always transfer data from an arbitrary mesh (dynamesh, or any mesh with different topology) to your "untouched" base CC topology using project all / project history / zproject brush / history project brush / etc... here's an example video: th-cam.com/video/4TTEJ8tC9Xc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xPgomXQ94BwrXgHS
Click the "Subtitle CC" icon on, and click the setting button next to it and chose "Auto-translate" , where you can auto translate the video into Arabic sub titile!
in years I learned a lot from you, Thanks Michael.
great mikeee...zmaster
It was awesome!! Pavmike!! Thank you!!
Mike, all I can say is THANK YOU!
The king has returned, again, and again, and again haha! Awesome streams this month!
Congratulations, this is the new trend and methodology to create characters. successes. the best tutorial ever.
Amazing as always, Michael. Thank you very much for sharing this workflow!!!
Brilliant, Thank you
The "Match Zbrush Model Scale (x0.01) is essential if you ever want work with symmetry and prevent it from being lost - it's the same thing as "Unify" under deformations and because it basically shrinks it down to unit size, you should have enough brush scale that you wouldn't have to frig with it in preferences. When sending back to CC4, you will have to choose the scale (x100) to match it back again in CC4. Also bones will not change unless you choose to fit it (can be auto aligned in CC4 later) A big tip to anyone new, create a morph target, subdivide to the levels you want before using masks, if you use a mask then subdivide it will break the vert count and you can't send it back to CC4 to update the character. The morph target is to switch to your original character shape after subdividing if you need it. One new thing that i learned here that I thought was very cool, is that morph modification in character in CC4 can be sent back to your Zbrush model with subdivisions and I've been using CC4 between Zbrush for years.. thanks Michael!
I have been following you for years. You are a truly outstanding artist with such amazing techniques. Thanks for another insanely valuable piece of content!
GODLIKE!
Thank you for adding time stamps. gonna try and force myself to use this on the next character I do.... I love the idea of having access to facial animations...
Masterful! thank you for sharing your process
Great contribution. Great tutorial. You have my like. Thank you so much. Greetings
Great stuff!, the weird thing is that I understand every damn step. And there are so few that actually understand this... Not really a topic for beers with friends, but hey I got you lot...
Your a huge inspiration in what you do!
great tutorial, thanks for this
super useful, thank u so much
I love your workflow I'm so excited to dive in but first I have to learn zbrush and painter so that I can keep up I'm a new subscriber I hope there's a playlist you have for learning each program individually
For sure, getting started in ZBrush you can find here: th-cam.com/play/PLkzopwqcFevYP1Nm3wIKsyH-jQTkk8AhS.html ; my substance painter playlist is a little dated, but Adobe has some good getting started videos! th-cam.com/play/PLkzopwqcFevYLqzU5eUZSFzyidouqwSQP.html
Excellent walk-through as always Mike!
Each stream is as good as a course😊. Thank you.
This is awesome to watch, I love your streams
That is going to take me fooooorever! Lol
Mike P!!
It's funny looking at this now using the CC4 workflow, remembering your old Eat3D Zbrush 3.5 production character series where you created the character from scratch and another fella rigged/skinned it in 3dsMax. The amount of time/work saved here with the full rigging, including facial rig, is crazy. :D
Hey Michael, I'm always so grateful for all the things I'm learning through your teachings, thank you so much. Question: is there a specific reason why you are not ticking the "Match ZBrush Model Scale (x 0.01) option before clicking the GoZ button? Wouldn't that sort the "issue" with the brush size straightforward?
That, or you can use the ZPlugin > Scale Master ZBrush Unifiy, which will update your export scale. I tend to just keep things vanilla after some incompatibility with layers (don't want to hit that button with FaceTools I don't think?) but feel free!
@@MichaelPavlovich i see, thanks for the tip. Also, sorry to bother you with another nooby question: I don't understand which step I am missing, but I'm trying to experiment a little bit with the CC4/Goz back and forth and for example i wanted to create a scar on the lip of my character so i did it in Sub lvl 6, but when i sent it back to CC4 i couldn't see the scar on my character. So i went back to Zbrush and just to try it out i pulled out the head making a super long neck and sent it back to CC4 and this time i could see my char turning into a giraffe. So what am i missing? Why am I only able to see big changes but none of the small details made in Subdiv 6? Infact, i can see around 39:00, when you go back to CC4 and update the goblin, he doesn't seem to have all the great details you had in Zbrush, but after that you move to Substance Painter so I feel I've got this gap of knowledge to give myself an explanation XD (it's probably something silly but I can't figure it out). Thanks for any reply and sorry for the super long post O.o
@@da_drood-digitalart no worries at all (and apologize to you or anybody who's questions I've missed, I don't catch them all); there's two ways to get your sdiv2-x details baked to your sdiv1 model:
GoZ Plus: th-cam.com/video/bnHz1U64lco/w-d-xo.htmlsi=JRHOWvlOfJl1C4S2&t=2303
Substance Painter Bridge: th-cam.com/video/M2mU15bIq3I/w-d-xo.html
@@MichaelPavlovich thank you so much for your availability and kindness Michael! I'll definitely look into both videos to figure it out. (EDIT: i saw the first video, but will have to look at it again paying more attention!). You got such huge awesome library of video tutorials and I am so eager to learn (probably too quickly also XD) that it's kinda hard to catch up lol. Thanks again :D
Very useful thanks man, though I have a question, Between CC4 and Daz3D, what's the difference between the two? what are the pros and cons of each? considering one is an expensive software while the other is free, there must be something to justify the price gap right?
I've never used Daz3D
question: It's not clear to me how the skin texture from character creator 4 was exported to Zbrush. I also want to add that I really appreciate you showing us this workflow.
Video 04 in this series: th-cam.com/play/PLkzopwqcFevb_Nl1KBzLe1_NaBmcOQJY0.html
man this looks so amazing. I saw your previous posing vids that used CC4 and I was wondering if all of this can be achieved, the character creation process and the rigging and posing process with just zbrush and cc4? or does this pipeline need iClone as well?
I haven't even opened iClone yet (soon though!!), so all ZBrush and CC!
@@MichaelPavlovich btw can you do all of this with the free version of cc4? more specifically the zbrush->cc4 link stuff? I'd like to give it a try first before I decide on buying cc4 :)
@@adrianalcomendras6754 I think so? I've never used the free version so I'm not positive, but the ZBrush Pose Tools plugin is free (and can/should be installed for all the cool functionality, regardless of whether or not you use CC), and as far as I know (?) GoZ functionality is just "built in" to CC (although make sure to install the PoseTools plugin for CC using the reallusion hub). Long story short, download the trial and find out, but I think you'll have everything you need!
@@MichaelPavlovich iClone is so powerful for animation purposes and my to go for anything mocap related.
Excellent tutorial as always. Can you share the link to the video where zwrap was used on the face to apply the wrinkles?
for sure! th-cam.com/video/qi6IVtIrLC0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=nzuBpyXXWcP3r-CK
How did you change the eyes in Zbrush so much without breaking the link to cc4? Did you use a specific masking technique?
I want to say I used the morphs in CC to take big swings at the eye shape, but you can always mush things around in ZBrush as well
@@MichaelPavlovich just need a goblin out of th Box ?
Thanks for the stream!
Can you please link where we can find rhe full body scan + diffuse textures you wrapped?
Ooops, yes, it's the ten24 scan store (I have the 10x body pack), I'll add that to the video description as well - www.3dscanstore.com/
Awesome content! Complicated question: Is there a way to import a basemesh that I created in ZBrush into CC4 and have all features of CC4 work for that basemesh?
Yes (without facial animation), there's a whole playlist on that workflow here: th-cam.com/play/PLkzopwqcFevZPD511TZxfcshIrELHLNDy.html
You can use Headshot 2.0 to generate a full body with animatable facial features from a legacy sculpt, or you could use Wrap3/zwrap/zbrush project to project CC topology to your arbitrary ZBrush mesh, and transfer your ZBrush data to their topology, complete process in this video: th-cam.com/video/4TTEJ8tC9X/w-d-xo.html
@@MichaelPavlovich Hey man! Thanks so much for the walkthrough on this, it's awesome!
If we used the Zwrap method and poject topology to a CC basemesh, would that maintain the ability to use facial animations in Character Creator?
Thanks so much!
@@KyleLouisFarrar for sure, in fact I wrapped a ten24 scan data body to the goblin for the skin details!
@@MichaelPavlovich amazing. Thank you! That’s a game changer 💪
Yes but what about Zbrush alone?
how did you export textures from Zbrush to CC4? textures and details ?
Video 04 in this series: th-cam.com/play/PLkzopwqcFevb_Nl1KBzLe1_NaBmcOQJY0.html
Not sure if someone's already asked this but where did yo get the elf ear morph sliders? I search in mine and find nothing. Are they additional to base cc4? Keep up the good work!
I think they came as part of this pack: www.reallusion.com/ContentStore/Character-Creator/Pack/Ultimate-Morphs/default.html
Hey Michael, My dynamesh and deformation both do not work and only adjust the model a tiny bit, I assume this is because of the size of the character, how do I fix this. Is there a negative to just scaling the character down or does this cause issues in Character Creator 4?
As long as you're not using the FaceTools plugin, any of these should work: th-cam.com/video/JZLYS7DmPqQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=0FoaTsIeYjAEuW1N&t=284
sir u did not do the uv wnrappping ?
I'm trying to bake in Substance, the issue is Zbrush's high mesh is small in Substance. I assume that I wasn't suppose to click scale 1.0 when I went between cc4 and Zbrush
Hi, I am trying to edit teeth, Zbrush put a _01 at the end so cc is trying to do a new mesh instead of updating the teeth
around 34:10 you talk about wrapping detail from a 3D scan - do you have a tutorial covering this?
th-cam.com/video/qi6IVtIrLC0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=vDmYN25Ig1k-Fmjs
Michael, curious. Is there a way to export a high poly version of the included models or will it always be the low poly version? Not through GoZ or anything but straight up export to .fbx for example
Out of CC it will always be your low poly (it's difficult to move around 20 million polygons, but it's easy to move around 50k polygons that control the sdiv 1 of those 20 million polys). If you GoZ or PoseTools out of CC back to ZBrush, then that will move the verts into the new posed position, go to Subtool > All High, then Tool > Export to export all your high res geo as an .fbx
@@MichaelPavlovich Ok that might be what I’m looking for, I’ll try it, cheers for all do 🤙🏾
Hello Michael! tell me, do you consider some Mentorship?
I recently purchased Character Creator and iclone etc. However, I have Substance painter greyed out in my UI. Its not in the Reallusion's HUB like everything else. How did you get Substance painter linked with Character Creator 4? I can't seem to find any info on that process.
Oh nvm. I found the answer. I noticed that you also have it greyed out some times which got me thinking maybe its just the kind of mesh selected. I'm guessing if the model has uv's or something then it allows you to send to substance painter (or maybe material assignments?). I guess I'll figure that out later, but good to know that I am not missing a plugin here. Been following your recent video uploads also, exciting times! Thanks for staying on the cutting edge and delivering as always!
when you goz to Zbrush, you didn't push scale 1.0,,,,,,,,,, how did you keep Zbrush's move brush the same because when I goz a character, the Zbrush's brush size is small and the move brush has a little effect
th-cam.com/video/JZLYS7DmPqQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=c0TQIZxxi-0nsaJ_&t=279
I realized I do have a question. Where in the process do you create the UV maps for the outfit and with what tool?
after creating my high res clothing, then create the low res - standard high res to game res bake workflow, process hasn't changed in 20 years. zbrush, max, maya, modo, blender, c4d, houdini, 3d coat, topogun, headus uvlayout, rizom, yada yada, pick your favorite low res and UV creator, or a combination, export it, bake it, texture it up! EDIT - also video 05 and beyond in this series: th-cam.com/play/PLkzopwqcFevb_Nl1KBzLe1_NaBmcOQJY0.html
@@MichaelPavlovich Cheers!
Let the baking commence
hi michael!, one question. In the moment i use dynamesh on the base body i will lose all the facials and that stuff right? i mean i cant change the base topology in any circumstances
Correct, you can't change the vertex order. However, you can always transfer data from an arbitrary mesh (dynamesh, or any mesh with different topology) to your "untouched" base CC topology using project all / project history / zproject brush / history project brush / etc... here's an example video: th-cam.com/video/4TTEJ8tC9Xc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xPgomXQ94BwrXgHS
43:34 I imported an obj file from CC4 into SPainter, and I don't have any textures from there. What did I miss?
As far as I understand, Michael baked Diffuse from high poly from zbrush, right? So here is another question. How to move textures from CC4 to Zbrush?
sorry about that, this is just a high level overview, here's a more in-depth walk-through: th-cam.com/play/PLkzopwqcFevb_Nl1KBzLe1_NaBmcOQJY0.html
@@MichaelPavlovich Thank you! I'll be waiting :) I really like the way you express your thoughts and actions.
when i try to click and drag to morph the body parts, nothings happening... anybody encountered the same problem
Make sure you click the Morph button in the toolbar across the top (1:26)
@@MichaelPavlovich thankyou for the reply
Does cc4 support zbrush 2022?
Yes
Its really as easy as it look in a video????
Struggling years to get realistic textures for characters
Why are there less zbrush tutorials now..all blender tutorials..but i still like zbrush..😢
Is it possible to translate it into Arabic? 😢❤
Click the "Subtitle CC" icon on, and click the setting button next to it and chose "Auto-translate"
, where you can auto translate the video into Arabic sub titile!
It's not for Mac users, too bad
I really would love to use character creator but it's license is so poorly written I'm afraid to use it profesionally.
Correct. Like the program but very restrictive in terms of the base mesh topology unless you want to sell on their site. Shame.
Cool!