3:19 This image isn't entirely accurate. The Hitbox of f-smash DOES travel between those two frames through interpolation. However, the interpolation is bad, and the hitbox is much further inside Ganon than the vfx suggest. ssb.wiki.gallery/images/4/49/GanondorfFSmashBlindspot.jpg
Finally a good image. I was searching for this the whole time when it first happened to me against a little mac 2 years ago or something, but couldn't find one. Thanks a lot! Pinned the comment for awareness!
Nah, she's still just outside the hitbox, even with interpolation. If you look at the image Collin posted and compare it with where Lucina's body ended up between the frames (not the sword) she's still just outside.@@im_Spade_
0:46 This will be the second time I point this out on a Sillin vid, but fun fact, Greninja’s up-smash straight up doesn’t work against Ganon or Link on that platform. Only those two characters. Yes it can fall out randomly, but those in particular will always fall out there.
Also just for reference, Greninja has 4 multi-hit moves which fall out. In order of likelihood: Up-Smash, Up-Air, Water Shuriken, Back-Air AND honorable mention Gren’s Counter, Substitute, has a high chance of missing the opponent when using the side angled versions and generally doesn’t work well.
There’s layers to this, they had several options and just chose the wrong one repeatedly They could’ve jumped up after the DA and gotten Up Air (which could either dragdown into a Tech Chase or just lead into another Up Air into the blast zone), they could’ve full hop Naired/short hop Side B’d onto the platform to cover tech options, they probably could’ve gone for a FAir, but they chose our broken Up Smash twice even after seeing it fail
@@Error_Detected404 I know there were better options but the fact that we can’t even rely on our strongest smash attack and on top of that the game is never getting patched again is really depressing😭
@@mokatta17 also I made another comment about this, but Gren’s up-smash doesn’t work on that platform for Link and Ganondorf specifically. Including for his down-tilt up-smash kill confirm 😢
3:30 for anyone who doesnt know, this isn't actually true. Smash hitboxes don't just teleport from place to place leaving empty space between them, otherwise Marth forward smash would do the same thing. What happens is that the hitbox moves from Frame 1 -> Frame 2 and the game CONNECTS the hitbox from Frame 2 to Frame 1, to simulate motion. It literally just draws a straight line (shortest distanct) from Frame 1 to Frame 2. This happens with every single character in the game, and usually it's not noticeable at all, but with Ganondorf in particular, his sword is so incredibly massive, that when you draw a straight line from Frame 1 to Frame 2, you end up losing a really large potion of Forward Smash's arc
3:22 Um AKCHUALLY (someone was gonna say it) it's not all empty space, this game has interpolation on it's hitboxes, which basically connects one frames hitboxes to the matching ones(if present) on the next frame, in a straight line. Ganon's sword is swung very fast and it causes weird blind spots, making it not hi as high as the effects and animation would have you believe
I love how Ganondorf fights Steve... AND STEVE BEATS HIM AS IF IT WAS ANOTHER NORMAL DAY IN SKYWARS OR BEDWARS, WITHOUT PROBLEMS AND RELAXED. XD That's why I love Steve and his other 3 variants (they're actually the same), it's just a funny meme that should NOT be so high and yet, it imposes a dominating aura on SSBU... really, it's a moment of all time.
As a Friendly reminder: Whenever your going against Ganon or K.Rool, Always Throw all of your Best Strong combos against them because it takes almost 5 different teams to take those MF's Out because how Heavy they are
Good matches with the Dorf! Ganondorf is just one of the most satisfying Smash characters to watch when played well! I really would love to see Ganondorf finally climb out of the bottom tier with a speed and recovery buff in the next Smash game! I can only imagine Ganondorf with Tough Guy and an equivalent to Incineroar's Revenge. Best. Heavy. Ever! 😆
Ganon’s best move is up air. Combos out of pretty much any soft hit, low end lag so you can spam it when recovering, and one of the strongest in the game. Just wish the spike hitbox was softer so you can combo into bair 5:35
Things I learned from this video: 1. Ganondorf isn’t always useless 2. Steve’s mine cards require good reaction time 3. Even top tier characters can sometimes lose
Tier lists are overrated. They don't really matter until both players are close to the skill ceiling, so top 1% / pro players, then those inherit properties each have start to matter more when poor decisions and mistakes are minimal. The only exception is Steve, he's just so far ahead of everyone else he reaps those advantages at most skill levels not just the top.
3:20 I remain forever grateful for your in-depth explanations like this. You have made me a MUCH better Link, a better overall Smash player, and arguably even a better person, for how you completely keep your cool even when getting cheesed. The only Smash channel I am faithful to, and I shall remain so.
9:35 listen, not being a hater, im not disagreeing, but all im saying, is minecart is a lot easier to react to online when the dude youre playing against does it 20 times in a row, exactly the same way, id go as far as to say its not actually even reacting at that point
It was all reaction. I inputted the move AFTER seeing minecart on the screen. Did I anticipate it? Yes, of course, it's easier to react when you expect something is coming. But I didn't pull the trigger before it was out. Compare it to the F-Smash against the minecart, which was not on reaction, that was a read. And online being easier to react is a weird statement given the fact that you have lag which results in you having LESS time to react.
Our favorite top tier! Just ignore his speed, recovery, and counter-zoning. For real though, this man has no good matchups. Even Ganondorf kicks his butt
3:19
This image isn't entirely accurate. The Hitbox of f-smash DOES travel between those two frames through interpolation. However, the interpolation is bad, and the hitbox is much further inside Ganon than the vfx suggest.
ssb.wiki.gallery/images/4/49/GanondorfFSmashBlindspot.jpg
Finally a good image. I was searching for this the whole time when it first happened to me against a little mac 2 years ago or something, but couldn't find one.
Thanks a lot! Pinned the comment for awareness!
Does Lucina go into the z axis with dair? I would not be surprised if it was that
Nah, she's still just outside the hitbox, even with interpolation. If you look at the image Collin posted and compare it with where Lucina's body ended up between the frames (not the sword) she's still just outside.@@im_Spade_
0:46 This will be the second time I point this out on a Sillin vid, but fun fact, Greninja’s up-smash straight up doesn’t work against Ganon or Link on that platform.
Only those two characters. Yes it can fall out randomly, but those in particular will always fall out there.
Also just for reference, Greninja has 4 multi-hit moves which fall out. In order of likelihood:
Up-Smash, Up-Air, Water Shuriken, Back-Air
AND honorable mention Gren’s Counter, Substitute, has a high chance of missing the opponent when using the side angled versions and generally doesn’t work well.
Ganon Gthursday
Gannon Ghursday indeed
The G is silent
Ganon Girthsday? 👀
Ganon Gameday
Best silin video probably ever. The consistent reads, timing, spacing, disrespect, bicycle kicks, Ronaldo meme, just perfect
0:46 all 20 greninja mains(including i) just facepalmed
There’s layers to this, they had several options and just chose the wrong one repeatedly
They could’ve jumped up after the DA and gotten Up Air (which could either dragdown into a Tech Chase or just lead into another Up Air into the blast zone), they could’ve full hop Naired/short hop Side B’d onto the platform to cover tech options, they probably could’ve gone for a FAir, but they chose our broken Up Smash twice even after seeing it fail
@@Error_Detected404 I know there were better options but the fact that we can’t even rely on our strongest smash attack and on top of that the game is never getting patched again is really depressing😭
@@mokatta17 yeah I pray whoever works on the next smash game makes Gren up smash actually work
It’s me, I’m the Gren main, and I’m sad every time my multi-hits decide to give my opponent a second chance lmao
@@mokatta17 also I made another comment about this, but Gren’s up-smash doesn’t work on that platform for Link and Ganondorf specifically. Including for his down-tilt up-smash kill confirm 😢
As a Ganon enjoyer, 13:08 spoke to my soul
3:30 for anyone who doesnt know, this isn't actually true. Smash hitboxes don't just teleport from place to place leaving empty space between them, otherwise Marth forward smash would do the same thing. What happens is that the hitbox moves from Frame 1 -> Frame 2 and the game CONNECTS the hitbox from Frame 2 to Frame 1, to simulate motion. It literally just draws a straight line (shortest distanct) from Frame 1 to Frame 2.
This happens with every single character in the game, and usually it's not noticeable at all, but with Ganondorf in particular, his sword is so incredibly massive, that when you draw a straight line from Frame 1 to Frame 2, you end up losing a really large potion of Forward Smash's arc
7:06
Perfectly timed Warlock Punch incoming!
best use of warlock punch Ive seen in awhile
1:26 "Best match-up for gannon?" Uhh-uhhhhhhh.... .. . Smash brothers melee.
I LOST IT LMAOOOO 😂😂
3:22 Um AKCHUALLY (someone was gonna say it) it's not all empty space, this game has interpolation on it's hitboxes, which basically connects one frames hitboxes to the matching ones(if present) on the next frame, in a straight line. Ganon's sword is swung very fast and it causes weird blind spots, making it not hi as high as the effects and animation would have you believe
That uptilt on the Falco was very satisfying
Classic Sillintor, love the content, keep it up!
7:06 was so satisfying bro
yo i just got done rewatching your ganon gsp video and was wanting more ganon clips! very good day
I love how Ganondorf fights Steve... AND STEVE BEATS HIM AS IF IT WAS ANOTHER NORMAL DAY IN SKYWARS OR BEDWARS, WITHOUT PROBLEMS AND RELAXED. XD That's why I love Steve and his other 3 variants (they're actually the same), it's just a funny meme that should NOT be so high and yet, it imposes a dominating aura on SSBU... really, it's a moment of all time.
Your work gives me a great amount of joy. Keep at it bro.
6:47 I've never seen Sillin get a shield break with Ganon before as far as I can remember…
As a Friendly reminder:
Whenever your going against Ganon or K.Rool, Always Throw all of your Best Strong combos against them because it takes almost 5 different teams to take those MF's Out because how Heavy they are
Chat: no fox given
Good matches with the Dorf! Ganondorf is just one of the most satisfying Smash characters to watch when played well! I really would love to see Ganondorf finally climb out of the bottom tier with a speed and recovery buff in the next Smash game! I can only imagine Ganondorf with Tough Guy and an equivalent to Incineroar's Revenge. Best. Heavy. Ever! 😆
Ganon’s best move is up air. Combos out of pretty much any soft hit, low end lag so you can spam it when recovering, and one of the strongest in the game. Just wish the spike hitbox was softer so you can combo into bair 5:35
If they ever give more frames to Ganondorf's f-smash, he'd definitely no longer be the worst.
RONALDHINO SOCCER
Things I learned from this video:
1. Ganondorf isn’t always useless
2. Steve’s mine cards require good reaction time
3. Even top tier characters can sometimes lose
Tier lists are overrated. They don't really matter until both players are close to the skill ceiling, so top 1% / pro players, then those inherit properties each have start to matter more when poor decisions and mistakes are minimal. The only exception is Steve, he's just so far ahead of everyone else he reaps those advantages at most skill levels not just the top.
7:26 That's a competitive player from my city. At least his name is from a player from there XD
I feel bad for your city. 🧢 haha
13:24 El Bicho SIUUUU
3:20 I remain forever grateful for your in-depth explanations like this. You have made me a MUCH better Link, a better overall Smash player, and arguably even a better person, for how you completely keep your cool even when getting cheesed.
The only Smash channel I am faithful to, and I shall remain so.
Sick Sillin is a savage XD roasting everyone and I love to see it
As someone from Brazil I feel honored to see the Ronaldinho Ganondorfe
this honestly helped me a lot since my main is ganon 💀
0:59 you sir. You don’t talk about our lord and savior like that 🎉
5:01 Man i got cooked 😭 ggs tho
5:33 im here in chat too lol, playing i was like: "kurisu is so familiar... oh shit wait" and went to your stream arg
Hey Sillintor, have you ever thought about making those Smash Montages before?
I recently started playing Young Link. Can you make a short tutorial in a video or something?
Lmao "it aint much work and it aint honest"
Zss down b gave me a good laugh
Day 7 of asking Sillintor of Kirby episode 🥲
We need more Kirby!
Also, fun fact. Dair up smash is true at more or less 45%-50% depending on the weight of the character.
03:09 This Game is in Beta
1:30 wolf is a top tier?
Used to be. Bottom of top tier/top of high tier now at least now
silintor id love to see you play some matchbox
Ganondinho.
Ronaldorf.
Great gameplay tho 😄
Top tier character, top tier gamer= unbeatable monstrosity
I would've beat DinkelBerg with my good moveset... IF I HAD ONE!
Ganon taking souls 😂
Ganon Erryday. Need to play Ganon more.
Hahahaha! Rolnadinho Soccer!
tbf those minekart were very predictable
You're great to watch whoever you play, but this Ganon is a nice change. Lots of novel ways of approaching neutral.
Gannon is the best character for content
Ronaldoriyah
I love your content.
9:35 listen, not being a hater, im not disagreeing, but all im saying, is minecart is a lot easier to react to online when the dude youre playing against does it 20 times in a row, exactly the same way, id go as far as to say its not actually even reacting at that point
It was all reaction. I inputted the move AFTER seeing minecart on the screen. Did I anticipate it? Yes, of course, it's easier to react when you expect something is coming. But I didn't pull the trigger before it was out.
Compare it to the F-Smash against the minecart, which was not on reaction, that was a read.
And online being easier to react is a weird statement given the fact that you have lag which results in you having LESS time to react.
Destroying bots on elite with Ganon and Dankey is one of the most fun things to do in this game
Not impressed, anyone can win with an S+ tier character
SS tier*
I have heard the word di,can anyone explain to me it’s meaning?
Directional Influence
Yo! First comment, I've never been the first viewer on anyone's video so this an achievement
ganon new toptier character ?!
8:15 can't loose at video games? Make a Video on a game called "Getting Over It" If you beat it you'll be more than good you will be a god gamer
Our favorite top tier! Just ignore his speed, recovery, and counter-zoning.
For real though, this man has no good matchups. Even Ganondorf kicks his butt
German Stream soon? 😅 lol
Hi Sillin
Ganondinho soxer
Jajajaja Ronaldiño soccer
Im the wprs mpst depicable nice guy then cuss i lose .. alot
Hi
Baitybait?
Skill issue.