Windows 7 Speech Recognition v Dragon Naturally Speaking Version 11.5
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- I made a video response to a user's comments about Dragon, hopefully to point him in the right direction on a couple of points.
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A useful video however it would have been better to train the Windows 7 Voice Recognition firstly for a fair comparison; it can be a bit misleading for those that have not used the 'voice recognition' process before.
It should also be said that voice recognition software results are impacted greatly by choice of dictation software, quality of the computer, quality of microphone, available ram (4GB at least), and the program you are dictating into.
If you use Windows 7 Voice Recognition it works very accurately with Wordpad and gives that greater accuracy rate due to the simplicity of the Wordpad program (as opposed to MS Word that has far too many cluttered processes). It should be noted that Dragon Naturally Speaking uses and provides Dragon Pad for that very same reason.
So what program is better? I think they are both very good, and I have used both for many years. I now see no reason to pay for Dragon Naturally Speaking when Window Voice Recognition is of such high quality. I go back to the point that the programs have to be trained to your voice and then you should take into account the points I made earlier.
Training to a particular voice definitely improves the quality of recognition.
This was just a quick video and you'll notice I've made an updated one to try out Windows 8 voice recognition.
Out of the box, Dragon and Windows did really well. Having tried the Windows 8 flavour of voice recognition, I can see that for most people it's probably all you would ever need.
That said, I do have a decent machine, lots of ram, an i7 processor and a good quality headset, so my results may not be typical. I'm not sure what a "typical" computer setup would be for the average person.
I'm going to continue testing it, including training it. Whether Dragon will continue to be worth the money over the integrated system, I'm not so sure now. Having used it for a long time, I've built up a significantly trained profile.
I suppose the fairest test would be to create new profiles for both programs and see how they do out of the box and after training.
the biggest problem I am having is that it transcribes what I say, not what I mean.
Tried the windows and even with training it's crap. Been using dragon for 15 years, and it's worth the money. And as an added note, been chatting on my android phone for 7-8 years, and even that is decades ahead of windows, and it does not need training and can understand what I dictate even while driving my tin can compact car.
I still like my v15 Dragon app - my voice seems to work well with it so it's my go-to.
Your PC is being naughty: "very high quality condoms" :D
I wish I'd paid more attention while I was recording this. Slightly embarrassing to have that on TH-cam and not notice it!
Obviously my voice wasn't quite as clear as it should have been that day!
I was going to say the same thing! LOL!
I haven't had much success with Windows 8 speech recognition so far, maybe it is the cheap mic and the Australian accent I saw at JBHF there are some very expensive headsets maybe it would be cheaper to get the Dragon Software I am not visually impaired nor a business woman so I won't bother. Yelling at the computing and having to say everything 2 or 3 times is actually more exhausting than tapping a few keys, I think a compo a methods so you don't have sore fingers or a sore throat!
Quite impressive. I am thinking about using speech recognition for a robot vehicle control system, with a recognition command ala Star Trek style and a complimentary end command, Lots of possibilities! Interesting vid. Thanks.
This is just demonstrating the dictation. The problem is in controlling the operating system where is fails to do what it is asked to do except the set commands rather than learning new command. So this shows nothing.
BTW a good dictation program is and will alwaysbe useless to a visually impaired person if the operating system doesn't understand how to get to it.
What is needed is a operating system that can understand requests for action in natural English language and on that point both fail miserably.
Windows Speech does best with more continuous speaking and fewer pauses. It works, im experience, by context.
They do have a medical version available and when you set it up you can choose the type of accent you have, such as British, Australian and Indian, if I remember correctly.
Of course it does depend on what your accent is like, exactly, and you may have to do more training with it than average.
I just looked at a new profile and they do have a setting for have a setting for Indian sub-continent and also Southeast Asia. I *guess* it would probably work for you.
That's an interesting point. In fact, in testing various mics I'd now say that you don't need to spend a lot of money to get good results.
I've had good results even with a relatively cheap gaming headset - £23 or about $40. I've also used a £200 mic and it gives better results than the cheap headset, but the difference in recognition quality is not 8-10 times.
And anyone who has a suitable iPhone, iPad or iPod can now use them as wireless microphones, with surprisingly good results.
If that works better for you, go for it. This kind of software isn't for everyone and not everyone even wants to avoid actually typing. Some people prefer to type.
I think that was you on your channel playing piano? In that case you obviously have really good motor skills and co-ordination, so typing might work better for you.
For me though, this is a great tool. I don't use it 100% of the time, but when I do use it, I really feel the benefit.
You're very welcome, Tim.
There are lots of things computers can do now that really make a difference to a person's life and something like this is one of them.
I've seen the advances in speech recognition over the last 18 years (I used a precursor to Dragon Naturally speaking) and only now are we at the point where the promise of what could be achieved is actually being achieved.
I think this kind of application is wonderful.
I like Dragon because of the power it has.
I've never written a book with it, but I have written lots of articles - like mini chapters of a book. You could do a book with Dragon, but you would have to punctuate everything by voice.
That means that if you're doing a lot of speech it can be a little awkward - you have to say all the speech marks. It takes a bit of getting used to.
But unless you're a trained and skilled typist, it's still far quicker than average typing.
lol - I do some live stuff where I type on screen (webinars) and when I type manually I make tons of mistakes so I know how you feel. I have to keep apologizing!
When I switch to Dragon, sure I get some mistakes, but nowhere near as many as I get doing it myself.
It isn't the cheapest software in the world, but if you average the cost over how much use you make of it, I don't think it's a bad price at all.
If the quality of the audio is pretty good then it should be possible. The real problem you will have is in training the software to your husband's voice.
I think you would probably be able to do that by running a couple of the audio files through the system, then correcting any mistakes. The software would then learn and improve recognition for the next files.
If you corrected any problems with the first batch of files that would improve accuracy significantly for the remaining files.
Yes, I think it would for most people, to be honest. I guess I'm just kind of used to it now so I don't think about it anymore.
You could certainly try it with the automatic punctuation, but it uses pauses to determine when to put in commas. If you need to pause to think for a second, it might put in a comma where you don't really need it.
I may run some tests with the auto punctuation switched on to see how well it copes. If I do, I'll upload a video to show you.
No offence taken and thanks for commenting! It sounds weird to listen to this kind of voice dictation and it feels pretty weird to be doing it, but it works, so that's the good bit.
It's just as well you have to do this in a fairly quiet place. I wouldn't like to do it in a busy office, because you'd sound really stupid speaking all that punctuation.
There is a punctuation "guess" option, but I don't like it and I don't think it works all that well.
I should have mentioned that I tested version 11.5 with my daughter's iPod and quite honestly I was astonished at how good the recognition is.
If you already have an iPod touch, or iPhone, you can use it as a wireless microphone and save yourself the cost of getting a new microphone. I'll try to make an example video over the next few days to show just how good the recognition is.
@33ZackG I'm not sure about the home edition, but I think it does come with the headset mic.
I have the premium edition which comes with a headset mic, but I don't use it. They're not bad, but honestly you can get so much better recognition when you use a better quality mic. £30 for a good USB headset mic, or a lot more for a really high quality mic and your accuracy can be astonishing.
If you're going to want voice dictation, might as well get the best accuracy you can!
There is a great iOS application that translates spoken language into text AND audio, but you'd have to copy and paste the text one phrase at a time. I think it would be a lot of work. It would work, but it's time-consuming.
I don't know of any audio translator that would do exactly what you're asking for.
I was using the SE X1 condenser microphone with a Focusrite DSP Audio IF, but I'm going to sell those now(!) because I have a fairly cheap headset mic that gives just amazing quality.
That and the fact you can use an iPhone as a wireless mic with version 12 of DNS means you don't really need the most expensive mic setup.
@3dGrrr Hi. It's not really designed for that and I think you'd find you'd get just a mess if you tried it.
It also needs a reasonably quiet environment, so it wouldn't be that good in an open plan office, for example, or a classroom. I guess it's a personal dictation application, rather than a general voice analyser, if you follow me.
@srbellem The example video is uploaded now so you can see how it works. With a little more practice I think it would be even better.
Whether it would help your creative process, or make it harder, I don't know. In a way it would be a little bit more like telling the story to someone, rather than writing it.
I'd be very interested to know whether he used it for one of his novels. He's a published writer and has several books on Amazon, so it would be nice to think that he's using something like Dragon to help him. Not sure how well it works in German, however, since I've only ever used the English version.
@srbellem I forgot to mention that my initial training of the software was about 20 minutes, but the biggest improvement in accuracy came when I bought a good microphone. The one included is ok to get you started, but you'll never get the best accuracy from it.
Not actually true. Even a fairly cheap headset mic can give excellent results. You do get the best results from the highest quality mic you can get, sure, but you don't have to spend a fortune to get a headset that will give you really great results.
Dragon can read your text aloud. I do not use Windows Speech Recognition, because Dragon does everything I want and more.
I just made a video showing you how the text to speech works. That will be uploaded within the next few minutes.
Not really, in my experience. It does have an "automatic" punctuation mode, but I never found it worked well for me.
Personally, to be honest, I quite like specifying exactly what I want, where I want. I'm used to it now so it's no big deal for me.
Dragon keeps up with me when I speak at that speed, but if Windows voice works for you, that's the one to go for. I'd never recommend something if you already have a utility that does as good a job for you already, but of course that's not always the case.
@kobun37 I agree, Windows 7 speech recognition is not as good as Dragon. Maybe one day, but then again, why should we expect an all purpose OS to be as good as a specific, tailored made application when it comes to speech recognition?
@srbellem Ah, yes, I see what you mean. It can do that, although it would be slower - at least I think it would be harder for the person speaking, to keep it clear in their mind!
Give me a couple of hours to make a sample for you and upload it.
I'm sure this whole area is going to continue improving. There's a long way to go for truly "natural" speech processing, but what we have available these days is amazing compared to how it used to be.
You can create voice macros in Dragon, although it depends on what you want to achieve. What sort of things would you want to create? If you can give me an example I'll make a video of me doing one.
Dragon isn't for everyone and it depends on what kind of use you have for it. The only thing I can say is that all these voice recognition applications/utilities are getting better every year.
I'm not 100% sure about the Windows Speech Recognition, but in Dragon you can use it in pretty much anything that has a text window. Yes, it definitely works in Open Office, Notepad, Textpad and so on.
I must admit that having to think about speaking the punctuation can make thoughts flow less freely. For a creative writer, such as you, I imagine that would make it an unnatural experience.
That depends on where you are in the world. It's called a "full stop" in the UK. If you set it for American speech, you say "period", but if you set it for UK speech, you say "full stop".
Like you, i am a graphic artist. I'm considering Dragon Premium. A question i have not found answered anywhere is: Can you call a command from the menu of the active application? So for example, in Photoshop i want to adjust Levels: Can i just say: "Image-Adjust-Levels"? Or "Control-L"? Also, can it invoke commands with more than one modifier key? Such as "Control-Alt-Z" to step back in history? Thank You!
I've just got Windows 8 on my new computer and Dragon works really fast now. I'll have to try the Microsoft utility again to see how it works out in Windows 8.
If you spend a bit of time training Dragon 12, especially with a decent microphone, you can get amazing accuracy. I think this is a truly astonishing program.
I don't think so, but you could always check on their website. I'm sure they will eventually get this working with as many languages as they can.
A clear speaking voice definitely helps, that's for sure. However, better hardware (audio/mic) does make a difference, no question about that.
I have trained windows voice recognition system over and over, but it still makes a whole lot of mistakes I'm gonna try the dragon natural speaking 12 hopefully it'll do a whole lot better for me.
Thank you for the video demonstration I enjoyed it
I had an older version on Dragon on my xp computer, but it took up masses of hard drive space, so I eventually uninstalled it. I'm a fast touch typist and only got it for lazy moments. It didn't work the way I hoped, and correcting was so frustrating.
Thank you for your presentation. This gives me some great ideas of how I can help my father better use his computer to communicate with the world. He is not a trained typist and has never been the best of spellers.
@yourallbrainwashed hahaha! I agree with you. Some of the things that are possible now are just insane. It's all good fun though!
Great video, thank you!
I've tried windows 7 voice, and it has some nice features, such as how well it integrates into the actual menus and windows, but is nothing like as accurate as Dragon. I'm running my system with a Blue Yeti microphone, but only using Dragon Naturally Speaking Premium (my upgrade to professional is on the way, so it should allow more control of the "system" commands)
Interesting video, but I think it would have been a bit more fair (I won't say "unbiased" because you do give credit to Windows 7 voice) to do a comparison with either both programs trained or both programs untrained, like you did with Windows 7. I tried Windows 7 voice once before, but now I'm trying it again on a better computer just for mostly simple dictation. Even with a cheap little bluetooth headset it seems to be working pretty well. I'll probably buy a better headset for even better results, but I don't think I could justify a couple hundred dollars for Dragon. I think it probably comes down to how much you want to integrate VR into your computer use.
I think you make very valid points.
For me, the extra features of Dragon justify having it. But speech recognition has come so far from the early days.
I don't think it can be too far in the future when a really, really high standard is available as a basic part of the operating system.
And of course if you don't have Dragon, then Windows speech recognition is better than none :)
In fact I was intrigued to find out how good it is in Windows 8 now, so I've just shot a very short video to test it.
I'll be adding more videos as I give it a fair workout, compared to Dragon.
Unfortunate, but of course the accuracy is not 100% - you do have to do a little bit of checking of the recognition!
Do you have a tut on setting up an audio interface for DNS12? It refuses to recognize my hardware (W7 speech recognition works absolutely fine tho)
where do you get a good microphone? I am not doing as well as you do with voice recognition.
Thanks for commenting, even though you're a million miles off base. You're welcome back at any time.
I have Win 8, it uses the same MS SR as 7. Using it with Macros add on. So far I like it. It works Great with few mistakes. I have 8 gig of ram & a quad core 2.8 processor But I only use a cheap 16 dollar headset and it works great, no need for expensive mic. I also have Dragon 12 Prem & hope to see which one is better in time. Testing MS SR first for a wk then will use Dragon for a wk to see what woks better for my application. The plan is to give PC a personality with SR,& an AI avatar bot,
oh i was just testing my language settings lol pretty neat huh?
but erm, if i can remember my question to you was whether you knew any software programs out there for download in order to not translate text but translate audio speech from video formats such as TH-cam , for example listening to someone in arabic but using the program to tweek the audio settings from the video file and voila! you can hear them in english. is that possible you think? people will learn languages very quickly.
Hey Thanks once again for the heads up on this.
I ended up purchasing the Dragon Speech Recognition Version 12 software for my best friend who I think I mentioned is staring a publishing her own publishinng company from scratch.I will get a cop for myself too.
It's a lttle costly for me me (but worth it's weight)
You are very good at what you do by the way.Love your enthusiasm :)
(And PS any execs. out there from Nuance throw this guy some 'give aways.He's selling your product foe FREE)
Thanks for this info! What is the possibility of converting a series of audio files (Mp3 format) to written text.
My late teacher bequethed hundreds of lectures he held worldwide,which were recorded on cassette tapes,
I converted the audio on the cassettes to Mp3 files .Now I am investigating the possibility of purchasing software to convert these digital audio files to written text.
I hadn't had the chance, to get my hands on dragon till now. And I don't know, if it would suit my working needs.
Writing the narrative text is very different from speaking freely, so I don't know, how it would turn out.
And since I would need a better microphone, I hesitate, because the investment on Dragon Dictation (I use a Mac) and a good microphone would likely cost 200 Euro.
But I'm still tempted to try it.
And as I might buy a good microphone in the future anyway, I might give it a shot.
I think about using it, to dictate the first draft of a novel, I write. I'm a fairly quick typer, but I would love to try to get the "spoken language" into the manuscript. But I don't know how fast or slow dictating dialogue would end up.
Could you make a video, where you dictate a real conversation with all the punctuation?
"Like this", he said with a nod.
- You see, where I'm getting to? Lots and lots of punctuation, which might hamper the speed or/and accuracy.
That would be great.
I want to use it for school to transcribe my teacher's lessons into text and I was wondering if it would be a good software to use for that? I am worried i won't be able to create and "train" a profile for each teacher to maximize accuracy for all my teachers since you have to manually "train" each profile, correct? I'm wondering if it will train itself after a while with each profile I make for each teacher on its own without having to manually train each profile. Thank you for your help.
I played a bit around with the free app for the ipod ... and even those results are stunning. So, I think the speech-recognition would be no problem, the only question is, if it would allow me to get into a workflow, or if it would hamper the whole process.
So, I didn't try it, yet, but I still want to.
@mygoodstuffreviewed That's great. And very kind of you! I see in your vlogs that dragon is really quite accurate and copes very well. How long did it take you to "train" your dragon?
I'm a writer. And it would be interesting to see, if dictating a novel would significantly change the look of the text in comparison to the typed version.
I can't really answer because I don't know what that means, but I hope it's a compliment!
You can only "train" it for your voice. DNS 11.5 lets you use the program on two computers. You will have to read the lessons from various teachers, or else listen, then repeat or paraphrase them.
i have the version number 10 of the software
" Dragon naturally speaking "is it possible to record an audio file via a tape recorder , for instance,and then transcribe it via the "dragon" software ??
it only seems fair that you post your comment using voice recognition on my phone. that being said I am absolutely amazed at how much the technology has advanced in the four years since this video was first posted.
I check comments on my videos regularly and I also wondered how he'd got on. :)
Superb
Thanks, I am contemplating writing a book using a speech recog software package. Do you think it lends itself to this endeavor and which product would you recommend?
Thanks for your Further assistance regarding the Dragon speech recognition software.The company should be paying you commission for your great saleswork!
Did you ever get Dragon and try it for writing a novel? I am interested in a similar use and would appreciate greatly your feedback !
Thanks in advance.
You have a 5gb system drive? Well, these days that doesn't go very far.
No offence but seriously it was fun listening to it. Even I would have said the same way my name as you (if Jonathan is your real name) did.
Well, shoot. I was hoping you had a good answer. I'm trying to figure out if it's worth the investment, myself.
Thanks for the reply, though.
DNS is a freak compared to other recognizers out there, the only draw back as far as I am concerned is that it is very expensive.
know one tells you once you switch this thing on it stays on. All I want to know is how to fully deactivate it, anyone with the right answer? im thinking of buying a new computer.
Hardy har. You're going around posting the exact same comment on all the speech rec vids. Still not hilarious. Just fucking turn it off.
There's now an open source GNU/Linux speech recognition program that uses Google's voice APIs on the back-end called Palaver.
So, what would be your advice - which are the top three most cost-effective microphone models for speech recognition? Thanks.
Sir, I am a medical transcriptionist from India and would like to use the Dragon software. Will it help my Indian accent.
Nuance Dragon Naturally speaking is also available in Dutch. They have supported the dutch language almost from start.
I am waaaaay behind the times, but this is awesome! Thanks for posting this
Superb very nice How take in computer and mobile sir
I think it's easier to video record yourself reading a text, then later type what you said in the video.
lmao @ 1:00 - "Although Wilson, however...."
@ 1:11 - "...one I U's is a very high quality condoms..."
:) what a saviour for us lazy bastards that can't be bothered typing.
...Oops considering all the 'typos" I just made I will definitely get the software for myself now :/
I see. because it sounds like saying comma like 100 hundred times during an essay would be tedious.
You made my decision making process incredibly easy! Sold on Dragon! Got a great laugh as well...
Well, I wish I'd noticed what showed up while I was recording this!
A few people have noticed the unintentional mistake and I still feel silly about it. But as you say, it's a bit of a laugh so that's ok!
Glad you got Dragon. They're not actually the best company in the world to deal with, in my opinion, but the software impresses me tremendously. If you're willing to put in a small amount of work to train it well, you can get great results.
Oh, did my question go to you instead of him? Or did you just see it because this is your video?
Would You please tell us exactly what Microphone and what Audio-IF You are using? Thank You!!!
I think you are talking too fast. Windows voice is better than Dragon one. Personal experience
What text editor format can you use with either voice recog software, can you use openoffice?
surprising. the automatic should do just fine for how well AI understands grammar. Weird.
lol. At least it's accurate. You should report any bugs to the people behind Palaver..
it's the programs first time with this guy. It hasn't had a chance to learn his voice
Well, I guess that depends on your definition of high quality :)
For me, it was, but then I've never tried a really high-end ultra expensive interface. It's certainly higher quality than any other interface I've ever used and it gave me an amazingly clean signal with the SE X1 microphone.
In fact I miss using it (apart from the space it took), so I'm very tempted to keep it.
Yeah [comma> but I don't like it [full Stop> [break> As you can See [full stop>
just so you know , the Focusrite DSP Audio IF is not EXTREMELY HIGH quality....
Well spotted. As you can see, it's not perfect.
That's very good! Funny and witty - I like it!
Hahaha, that would be great! Pity they don't!