The BATTLE OF ORINDA & the End of the GALACTIC CIVIL WAR | Star Wars Battle Breakdown

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  • On today's Star Wars Battle Breakdown, we look at the Orinda Campaign, which saw the Super Star Destroyers of the Empire face off against the Dreadnoughts of the New Republic.
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    The Battle of Orinda was a major win for the Empire and Admiral Gilad Pellaeon, and saw the near destruction of the Lusankya Super Star Destroyer. Almost immediately after, the Imperial Remnant launched a major campaign against the New Republic, spearheaded by their three dreadnoughts: the Dominion, Reaper and Megador. This campaign would ultimately spell the end of the Galactic Civil War.
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  • @EckhartsLadder
    @EckhartsLadder  6 ปีที่แล้ว +297

    You can learn more about this battle in the Essential Guide to Warfare. If you buy it, or anything else, with my Amazon link, you support the channel: amzn.to/2tQEgwn
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  • @BaronVonMott
    @BaronVonMott 3 ปีที่แล้ว +369

    Eckhart: "6 Interdictors destroyed by a single squadron of X-Wings."
    Empire at War Players: * *confused screaming* *

    • @VegetaLF7
      @VegetaLF7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Not when it's Rogue Squadron.

    • @hellatze
      @hellatze 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Plot armor. Lol

    • @michaelscalese3142
      @michaelscalese3142 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Fr, single squadron on xwings could maybe blow the shield generators off of 2 or 3 in eaw

    • @AAhmou
      @AAhmou 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      In EaW X-Wings don't use their torpedoes.

    • @michaelscalese3142
      @michaelscalese3142 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@AAhmou they do in the remake mod and in the other popular ones

  • @MauricioAConstanza
    @MauricioAConstanza 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2253

    I wonder how long it took to paint the rebel symbol onto the super star destroyer

    • @squarek123
      @squarek123 6 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      😁 😁 😁

    • @bengcalma4675
      @bengcalma4675 6 ปีที่แล้ว +177

      It's a big dreadnought that would say ........ 5 months 0_0

    • @wmc5431
      @wmc5431 5 ปีที่แล้ว +114

      There's the paint for the Errant Venture. Right there.

    • @MTecs
      @MTecs 5 ปีที่แล้ว +171

      Well theres one thing for sure, it is good business for that paint retailer!

    • @sd501st5
      @sd501st5 5 ปีที่แล้ว +131

      You also just answered the question of why the Empires ships had the colors they had, and why the Lusankya in New Republic service didn't sport the standard New Republic ship colors, a very bright White-Grey(even brighter than the Old Republics White-Grey) with Red highlights instead of retaining the Imperial colors of... a basically unpainted hull. ^^
      And now imagine how much it costed Booster Terrik to paint the *whole* Errant Venture(formlery Virulence in Imperial service), a goddamn Imperial II-class Star Destroyer, in deep red! I think most of the budget for the modifications he had made went into the paint. xD

  • @KushSalad
    @KushSalad 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Recusant Class Light Destroyer vs Something
    (Assault Frigate or MC75 perhaps)

  • @brandongoatrp
    @brandongoatrp 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's coming home

  • @jitterz0135
    @jitterz0135 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve always wondered what happened to the Megador after that last battle you mentioned. Was it completely destroyed after that or was it captured?

  • @thearbyarbiter
    @thearbyarbiter 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ecs-ecuātor

  • @CaneMcKeyton
    @CaneMcKeyton 6 ปีที่แล้ว +975

    Pellaeon I think was the best overall Imperial leader. While Thrawn is still the grand master in terms of tactical and grand strategy, Pellaeon also had a good measure of political savvy on his side. He wasn't overly ambitious, he knew his limits, and knew when to pursue peace over conflict for the sake of the Empire's survival.

    • @kingkairos2437
      @kingkairos2437 5 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      He also was able to serve under thrawn, learning a lot about strategy

    • @executorclasslover6889
      @executorclasslover6889 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I think he was good but Thrawn was better

    • @kingkairos2437
      @kingkairos2437 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Sirius Black thrawn was a great admiral, but would have no idea how to lead an empire

    • @digitalninja5941
      @digitalninja5941 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      King Kairos Enpire of the hand?

    • @ninofromkitchennightmares1497
      @ninofromkitchennightmares1497 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      King Kairos He did
      He chose Quality Fighters and Smaller Aircraft that wouldn’t be a disaster if one was lost
      While the Empire Decided to make Large ships such as the Death Star And Death Star II Which when they were lost was a major Blow to the Empire

  • @jaymikevillanueva1212
    @jaymikevillanueva1212 6 ปีที่แล้ว +396

    Had the Moffs not been so war-hungry, the Imperial Remnant would still have the remaining Star Dreadnoughts and Interdictor cruisers under their command. Imagine the amount of damage those Star Dreadnoughts would have inflicted on the Yuuzhan Vong.
    Anyway, excellent video, Ecks! Good work!

    • @dylandesrosiers1953
      @dylandesrosiers1953 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      JayMike Villanueva, improve on your spelling

    • @sukitron5415
      @sukitron5415 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@dylandesrosiers1953 he made no spelling mistakes, what are you talking about

    • @pooppoop6546
      @pooppoop6546 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sukitron5415 the comments edited so he may have corrected it

    • @DoctorDeath147
      @DoctorDeath147 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@dylandesrosiers1953 or what? gonna cry?

    • @hellatze
      @hellatze 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      When order is dead barbarian will ravage the land.
      Like history

  • @seynkrosis9658
    @seynkrosis9658 6 ปีที่แล้ว +611

    Admiral Pellaeon has now my respect.

    • @LAV-III
      @LAV-III 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Krosis Seyn yeah to bad he was killed in rebels

    • @lba_e_ross2152
      @lba_e_ross2152 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      He's one of my favorite characters!

    • @the_christopher
      @the_christopher 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I don't mean to be rude, but it's not really respectful if you don't take the time to learn one's name. (Pellaeon)

    • @seynkrosis9658
      @seynkrosis9658 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      CHA i have never read his name, i only heard about him in videos.
      Thanks for correcting me

    • @marcbartuschka6372
      @marcbartuschka6372 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Saeid Radder
      Well, there was an interview as far as I know which made clear he is NOT confirmed dead. So I hope someone (Zahn would be the best option) writes on about him in a new role. I think he would not be happy in the First Order, since he disliked insane Force users, but he would made a perfect replacement for this stupid donkey Hux. He was/is the type of imperial books and films need.

  • @Aurik-Kal-Durin
    @Aurik-Kal-Durin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1324

    This is what the Sequel Trilogy should have been; a battle of attrition between the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant in the aftermath of the Battle of Endor, not just a re-hash of the Original Trilogy.

    • @chrissonofpear3657
      @chrissonofpear3657 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Who would the main villain have been though? Possibly includes a Darksider?

    • @Aurik-Kal-Durin
      @Aurik-Kal-Durin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +181

      Grand Admiral Thrawn, Ysanne Isard, the resurrected Emperor, any of the Dark Force users from the Jedi Knight games, a brand-new villain that isn't Kylo Ren, hell even retcon Darth Revan or Lord Vitiate into the Galactic Civil War since they're supposed to be immortal. TBH I was hoping the Sequel Trilogy would take some inspiration from SWTOR, with Luke's new Jedi Order facing off against an army of Sith Warriors rallying the remnants of the Empire. Hundreds of Jedi versus hundreds of Sith, it could've been so epic... the new trilogy was such a missed opportunity.

    • @marcbartuschka6372
      @marcbartuschka6372 6 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      I think guys like Thrawn and Pellaeon would be "difficult". I would find them wonderful, but they are outside the simple (stupid) black and white Star Wars films often show. It would made the films much more grey, and since I saw the way the FO was shown even as more stupid, curel and despotic than the Empire, I do not believe that the guys in charge would made a good job in bringing such complex characters to life.

    • @Aurik-Kal-Durin
      @Aurik-Kal-Durin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      That's why they would need completely different people in charge in order to make Star Wars right. They could've hired the writers at Obsidian who made *Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords.* Put them in charge of a Star Wars film, it would be the greatest Star Wars movie of all time.

    • @danielkorladis7869
      @danielkorladis7869 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thrawn or Pellaeon, or both, with a dark side user pulling the strings behind them, maybe not revealed until later.

  • @TouringWolf42
    @TouringWolf42 6 ปีที่แล้ว +551

    Who would love to see a new star wars movie trilogy but during operation shadow hand all the way to the Vong invasion.

    • @Kurayamiblack
      @Kurayamiblack 6 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      Touringcarton42
      Yeah, it would have been awesome if Disney had taken Legends, retconned the stuff that didn't make sense, fit in well, or were just too inconsistent, then produced what was left adding in new ideas wherever holes were found instead of giving us an entirely new canon and fudging up half way through the trilogy...

    • @dylandesrosiers1953
      @dylandesrosiers1953 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Touringcarton42. Mememememememememememememememememe

    • @TouringWolf42
      @TouringWolf42 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Kurayamiblack yea very true I somehow find it hard to believe that in the last Jedi the resistance even went to hyperspace , only 4 ships and all destroyed but they took the 60km dreadnaught and the bellator and about 4 smaller destroyers...

    • @TouringWolf42
      @TouringWolf42 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Dylan Desrosiers *DROID ATTACK ON THE WOOKIES*

    • @TouringWolf42
      @TouringWolf42 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Dylan Desrosiers oh sorry ha I though you meant "Meme". Ha

  • @ordohereticus5530
    @ordohereticus5530 6 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    I've always wondered where the picture with the SSD's having a slugfest came from.

    • @blackshogun272
      @blackshogun272 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Imagine having to fly between that exchange 😂😂😂

  • @Schniedragon88
    @Schniedragon88 6 ปีที่แล้ว +137

    Here's to Pellaeon, man of loyalty and honor!

  • @ESFNinja
    @ESFNinja 6 ปีที่แล้ว +150

    In the good Admiral’s words...ITS A TRAP!!!

    • @TheJoeSwanon
      @TheJoeSwanon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Captain Cutter he deserved a better a death in the last Jedi instead they gave it to some pink haired bimbo

    • @clonesolar
      @clonesolar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheJoeSwanon ik.

  • @MortarGuyX
    @MortarGuyX 6 ปีที่แล้ว +116

    I... Why... Why in the hell would they place the fleet carrier there in that formation? Captain be damned the Commander should of had him thrown in the brig for such stupidity.

    • @millernumber1
      @millernumber1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      That's a big reason why I hate the retcon of Orinda that Jason Fry created in the Essential Guide to Warfare. Now, we know that the Endurance fleet carrier had to be destroyed because the commander held back the fighters from Black Fleet Crisis, but Fry made it even dumber than it had to be.

    • @chrissonofpear3657
      @chrissonofpear3657 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, I think he could have given that a more careful look. The carrier's captain was also implied to be MALE originally, in the Black Fleet Crisis books.

    • @millernumber1
      @millernumber1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah. I like the IDEA of writing up the story of Orinda, but I really hate how Fry executed it. It was just too neat, tying up a lot of named characters so it feels like something we should care about, but doesn't actually fit with what's already there.

    • @chrissonofpear3657
      @chrissonofpear3657 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Maybe not on the level of an Abel G. Pena type retcon, but still a bit too connected, hmm.

    • @Cal94
      @Cal94 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      But uhhh... When exactly did this all take place? I seem to recall a certain Wedge Antilles being forced to take a promotion, which saw him move to fleet command.. Specifically, command of the Lusankya as well as rogue squadron...
      Ie. Wedge might've been that fleet commander...

  • @1987MartinT
    @1987MartinT 6 ปีที่แล้ว +133

    The battle of Orinda was one of the finest moments of Pellaeon's career. Throughout most of his service history he was one of the most reliably good officers in the Imperial Fleet. His only major failure was at the 3rd battle of Yavin.

    • @Jfk2Mr
      @Jfk2Mr 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      1987MartinT I think that was 3rd battle, second was almost immediately after destruction of Death Star

    • @1987MartinT
      @1987MartinT 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Okay. I'll correct it.

    • @Keihryon
      @Keihryon 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @NihlusGreen I could be mistaken, but I think the Starfighters of Adulmar is set at or around the time of the Orinda battle.

    • @chrissonofpear1384
      @chrissonofpear1384 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      There was a later battle there, not shown in the novel.

  • @BlackMethos
    @BlackMethos 6 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    A real shame, Pelleon showing some of the skills he has (picked up), managing a victory against the NR (that would've been even greater if not for Plot Armour, uh, Rogue Squadron only for the idiotic Moffs to screw things up.
    Ah well. He did get a few good ones in still later on.

    • @firestarr5812
      @firestarr5812 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I mean, the writers do make the story. Isn’t really such a thing as plot armor when you consider it was writers that got them into the mess to begin with.

    • @masonkiefer1222
      @masonkiefer1222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@firestarr5812 The writers wrote kind of a crappy story. All throughout the series the rebels manage to barely pull victory from defeat because of dumb moves on their enemies part. Here we see an imperial admiral actually being smart and yet still the rebels don’t get completely destroyed because the magical rogue squadron takes out 6 cruisers real quick. At a certain point the good guys being unstoppable reaches a level of unbelievable and the whole story could’ve been far enhanced if they removed even a portion of the extreme plot armor

    • @firestarr5812
      @firestarr5812 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@masonkiefer1222
      I can totally agree with that.

    • @dr.boring7022
      @dr.boring7022 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@masonkiefer1222 Thats the sad reality of when you put a small force of good guys against a large force of bad guys. Its why the Clone Wars interests me far more. Yes, both sides were manipulated, but they were still going all out equally matched, and both sides took heavy loses. You could even make the argument that either the Republic or the CIS could win the war. Rather than the GCW, where the question is not if the Empire would win, but when would they lose?

    • @whiteglint7694
      @whiteglint7694 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah completely agree. It's so stupid seeing the reveal always pull off these moves​@@masonkiefer1222

  • @echosdatacore2056
    @echosdatacore2056 6 ปีที่แล้ว +214

    Legends is way more better than Disney Star Wars. 👍

    • @cia793
      @cia793 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stfu loser

    • @benefistben7844
      @benefistben7844 6 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@cia793 dude chill, i prefer the new canon but legends was fun as hell to, besides its @Gallius Rax opinion, it doesnt affect you.

    • @cia793
      @cia793 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fuckin losers

    • @TeurastajaNexus
      @TeurastajaNexus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@cia793 fucking Disney.

    • @benefistben7844
      @benefistben7844 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@cia793 i can tell you are very mature.

  • @Pr0m3th3us
    @Pr0m3th3us 6 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Even though the battle of Orinda was the last major imperial victory in the post Endor era it's one of my most favorite battles in which Pellaeon proofed that the Empire was still a force to be reckoned with.

  • @Dalipsingh111111
    @Dalipsingh111111 6 ปีที่แล้ว +142

    It hurts, seeing an Executor Super Star Destroyer with that red rebel symbol. Its like putting blue neon lights and family-stickers on a royals royce.

    • @danielkorladis7869
      @danielkorladis7869 6 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Cry more.

    • @sd501st5
      @sd501st5 5 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      It might look better if they had painted the hull in standard New Republic colors, bright white-grey with red highlights, but... who has the money and time to completely repaint a 19km long warship? O_O

    • @Ty-yt3lj
      @Ty-yt3lj 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      SD501st they could definitely afford it, but keeping their greatest weapon out of the fight for at least a year in order to apply a purely visual modification doesn't seem worth it

    • @senatorluxbonteri6065
      @senatorluxbonteri6065 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Ty-yt3lj gotta look good while crushing imperial dogs

  • @eurasianenjoyer1499
    @eurasianenjoyer1499 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    It’s really nice how Pelion used the Trawn Pincer to surprise the new republic with the second super star destroyer

  • @computer-qy4je
    @computer-qy4je 6 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    “Thankfully rogue squadron was able to clear out the interdictors” damn new republic survives another battle

    • @blackshogun272
      @blackshogun272 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      They're slicker than a greased Rath'tar

    • @sirboomsalot4902
      @sirboomsalot4902 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Beaver252 They probably had the smaller Interdictors shown in rebels and not the modified Imperators sometimes shown in the EU

    • @masonkiefer1222
      @masonkiefer1222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sirboomsalot4902 Still makes the whole story kind of dumb

  • @Trevor-ig1cj
    @Trevor-ig1cj 6 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Could you do the battle of Yuuzhan Tar? Or would that be too difficult?

    • @jasons1257
      @jasons1257 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Trevor 1205 I would love to see that. I did not fully understand a lot of the battle

  • @karrieallen1588
    @karrieallen1588 6 ปีที่แล้ว +160

    Why is yoda such a good gardener
    Because he has a green thumb

  • @thefunmuffin9889
    @thefunmuffin9889 6 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I’d like a new trilogy based around the conflict between the imperial remnant and the new republic.

  • @user-Jay178
    @user-Jay178 6 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Great battle breakdown and hi this is great battle and I wish this happen in canon. Great video

  • @goldenghost2676
    @goldenghost2676 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Imagine losing 6 star destroyers to a squad of fighters

    • @masonkiefer1222
      @masonkiefer1222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Couldn’t even blame this one on incompetence it’s just bullshit plot armor

    • @googs3589
      @googs3589 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This is why wedge antilelekdbs sucks he is just there so a fleet can have plot armor when actual main character are not present.

  • @kingsolomon673
    @kingsolomon673 6 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Holy cheese I had my leopard gecko on my hand 😄😀😀

  • @thedarkknight727
    @thedarkknight727 6 ปีที่แล้ว +195

    Im a Rebel and New Republic fanboy, but Pellion was my favorite Impiral, unlike the other greedy Impirals, knew that the time of the Empire had come, and now it was the New Republic turn to rule. Preventing further unnecessary bloodshed. 🙄

    • @thedarkknight727
      @thedarkknight727 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Darth Sidious: Thanks for your admiration Lord Sidious. 😆

    • @thedarkknight727
      @thedarkknight727 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Darth Sidious: Don't forget who got re-killed by its overconfidence. 😅

    • @joseon6662
      @joseon6662 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      What about Admiral Piett??

    • @thedarkknight727
      @thedarkknight727 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Joseon: Nah Piett was no fool ither, that reason why he might have acted so incopented at Endor was because he had orders from Palp himself, and you know how he acts when he is dify.

    • @articusramos808
      @articusramos808 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gargantuan Moist flattery gets you nowhere

  • @angelbeatzbell4057
    @angelbeatzbell4057 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    90th Attempt:
    Yuuzhan Vong v. Reapers
    * Video can be made whenever you feel like now
    * Disregard that "Attempt 130" business from the stream haha
    * Thanks for doing all these vids Eck, you're so great

    • @ChevyChase301
      @ChevyChase301 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      AngelBeatz reapers would wreck their shit.

  • @the_only_lonely
    @the_only_lonely ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love how the civil war in legends went from a game of tag to a half traditional war to a war between dark and light side of the force to a fully traditional war.

  • @NormandyEdits
    @NormandyEdits 6 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    The New Republic was just overpowered. The various fractions of the Empire had far better Resources but still lose because of either Luke, Rougue Squadron or other high held names...

    • @danielkorladis7869
      @danielkorladis7869 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Well, also the Imperial Remnant was divided, whereas the New Republic was united and so could pick them off one by one. But that's a good thing.

    • @KarolusTemplareV
      @KarolusTemplareV 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@danielkorladis7869 Even so it seems always the New Republic won many engagements through the power of bullshit and plotshield.

    • @viefcheesecake
      @viefcheesecake 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KarolusTemplareV new republic did have alot of fancy ships

    • @masonkiefer1222
      @masonkiefer1222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KarolusTemplareV Yeah the magical squadron of fighters taking out 6 cruisers absolutely ruined this entire battle for me

  • @grand-dadmiral
    @grand-dadmiral 6 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Fascinating.

    • @LAV-III
      @LAV-III 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey!

    • @fergusabrams1012
      @fergusabrams1012 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Greetings,always a pleasure grand admiral.

  • @TheCommandostudios
    @TheCommandostudios 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    The EU had a lot of great battles, I hope some of them make it to canon lol

    • @chrissonofpear3657
      @chrissonofpear3657 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Difficult, if they insist the whole war was completed one year after Endor.

    • @TheCommandostudios
      @TheCommandostudios 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Chris sonofPear - A lot can happen in 1 year. Especially when it spans an entire galaxy

    • @chrissonofpear3657
      @chrissonofpear3657 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      True. We already know several SSDs were destroyed in that time, and others surrendered. Crowded period though.

    • @Keihryon
      @Keihryon 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It already IS canon. No matter what Disney claims :)

  • @ZeroTwo--
    @ZeroTwo-- 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    can you do a video on how the military, particularly warships, transitioned from the republic to the empire?

    • @tTaseric
      @tTaseric 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Republic started using Victory class SD's as "Secret weapons" and were deployed at the battle of Coruscant, After order 66, Venators were given a new design (No Republic logo) and the Empire started to create newer designs of War ships (Ones Specifically made as Capital ships), while continuing to use the Republics designs of Smaller ships (Acclamators and Arquitens etc) as support ships.

  • @cominguponinfra-red3038
    @cominguponinfra-red3038 6 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (264th try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*

    • @justinharper6445
      @justinharper6445 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      coming up on infra-red YESSSSS

    • @tTaseric
      @tTaseric 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Have you considered that Eck thinks your idea is trash?

    • @KitchenSinkSoup
      @KitchenSinkSoup 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Taseric Have you considered you might be trash? Huh huh!

    • @tTaseric
      @tTaseric 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's such a funny and hilarious response, i'm sure your parents are VERY proud of you :)

    • @cominguponinfra-red3038
      @cominguponinfra-red3038 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Taseric Nope

  • @CuppaTeaExe
    @CuppaTeaExe 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How many rebels could even be on a super star destroyer?
    Not that many because of how many rebels there are, and how much space there is in a super star destroyer. Most of it must be empty

    • @CABRALFAN27
      @CABRALFAN27 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you underestimate how far the Rebels/New Republic have come since the days of Endor. They're the main Galactic Government at this point, controlling most of the Core Worlds, Inner and Mid Rims, and the Expansion and Colonies regions. That's millions of Star Systems, they probably have enough personnel to fully man a Death Star at this point.

    • @omarbaba9892
      @omarbaba9892 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bruh this is like more than a decade after endor

  • @scytheseven9173
    @scytheseven9173 6 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Ah, the tried-and-true Imperial strategy of deploying super star destroyers with no more than a token support fleet, if any at all. They keep doing it because it had never led them astray before. If fact, it worked so well the New Republic tried the same tactic at the battle of Orinda. Hopefully that went well.

    • @metaouroboros690
      @metaouroboros690 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Don't forget to deploy your interdictors in complete isolation so starfighters can pick them off. It's hilarious that they deployed six of them at once so there wouldn't be a single target, but put them all together in one bunch with no support ships anyways.

    • @ternence8818
      @ternence8818 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@metaouroboros690 Immobilizer 418 is an anti starfighter cruiser
      Rogue squadron just straight up have plot armor here

  • @taylortrash
    @taylortrash 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Hello from Orinda, California. 👋 👋 👋

  • @Sprottel_SFM
    @Sprottel_SFM 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    God imagine the long term fighting in order to capture a super star destroyer

  • @HCUhardcoreUnited
    @HCUhardcoreUnited 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The New Republic should have just left the Empire alone.

    • @SantomPh
      @SantomPh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not with the Remnant still attacking them. Palleon signing the treaty actually preserved the Imperial Remnant, had he not the entire Empire would be wiped out

  • @pedrokantor3997
    @pedrokantor3997 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The real Orinda is not that far from Skywalker Ranch or from where George Lucas grew up. Coincidence?

  • @EntrenchedGaming
    @EntrenchedGaming 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The only question I have is regarding Rogue Squadron. How did they manage to take down six cruisers, being only fighters themselves?

    • @marcbartuschka6372
      @marcbartuschka6372 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Because they are terrible overpowered Marvel-or-DC-comic-like chars, I guess. I mean if you read what Stackpole (and some others) write about them, how they time and again take out huge ships with ease, you get tired really quickly. He even has to "steal" his victories from other books (for example he sized the role the squadron played at Bilbringi up). A reason why I really HATE Rogue Squad. It is also nearly insane how different Star Destroyers are portayed in different books. Timothy Zahn show then as very dangerous ships (both in the Thrawn Trilogy and in the Hand of Trawn books, where a few nearly crush the gathering fleets over the Bothan homeworld). A point of view I would fully support. Other writers make them to not much more than a joke, and the Rogue Squad books are among them.

    • @chrissonofpear3657
      @chrissonofpear3657 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      At least he remembered to mention Assault Frigates helping, that time. Supposedly, two volleys of torpedoes are good for lowering shields...

    • @marcbartuschka6372
      @marcbartuschka6372 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is true, but I mean the Star Destroyers are desingned to take on similar huge ships with a lot of firepower head on. No way that they could so easily wrecked by a hand full of fighter (the sucess and Endor against Vaders ship came after the whole rebel fleet had concentrated their fire on it). Sure a ISD is not a super star destroyeer, but he easily could hold its line against a Mon Cal cruiser or a number of small ships.

    • @chrissonofpear3657
      @chrissonofpear3657 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think we'd need to ask Jason Fry about this...

    • @chrissonofpear3657
      @chrissonofpear3657 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      If I recall the Crimson Empire sourcebook, Rogue group was expanded to wing size on some occasions.

  • @axelrivera3382
    @axelrivera3382 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    God bless yall remember Jesus loves you no matter what ❤✝️

  • @jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847
    @jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Am i the only one who would to see the battle of Orinda in Full Live-action?
    Up until the part where two SSD's clashed at each other.

  • @johnroscoe2406
    @johnroscoe2406 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ahh the Lusankaya. When I first read the original 4 book Rogue Squadron run in paperback way back when, that was such a cool scene where what people thought was a massive underground prison was really a SSD, that then blasted it's way out and left. Just picturing such a scene was awesome. A SSD firing up its engines and blasting through kilometers of buildings and infrastructure.

  • @matthew1882
    @matthew1882 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Pellaeon is such a legend.

  • @millernumber1
    @millernumber1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good summary. I'm still really angry about the way Jason Fry created this battle in Essential Guide to Warfare for two reasons. First, he took the gutsy, daring Admiral Areta Bell, from X-Wing: Isard's Revenge, and turned her into a showboating, overcautious idiot who gets her whole command killed. Second, this battle takes place just before the wonderful novel X-Wing: Starfighters of Adumar, and Fry puts the two major commanding figures of that novel, General Wedge Antilles and Admiral Terik Rogriss, as two of the three major super star destroyer commanders in the battle. So they directly faced off in the battle over Orinda. Problem with that? Wedge would feel the loss of Areta Bell under his command acutely, and he would have done research on Rogriss after losing so badly to Rogriss and Pellaeon's fleet. But in the novel, Wedge feels that his fleet career is going well, and though melancholy because of his general loneliness and his breakup with Qui Xux, he doesn't have the kind of darkness that accompanies the kind of defeat he would have just faced given Fry's retcon. Plus, when he discovers Rogriss is his opposite in the diplomatic mission to Adumar, he has to research Rogriss, and never discovers that they were fighting each other at Orinda. (Furthermore, the kind of victory Rogriss had at Orinda isn't congruent with his downward career path as described in Starfighters of Adumar). All in all, the way Fry creates Orinda is fun, but makes zero sense in the context of Starfighters of Adumar, and since Starfighters of Adumar is one of the best books in the Expanded Universe, the retcon is really stupid.

    • @chrissonofpear3657
      @chrissonofpear3657 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good points, although I think Orinda was actually months earlier, if that helps (late 12 aby for Orinda, nearly mid 13 aby for Adumar)

    • @millernumber1
      @millernumber1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Doesn't solve the problem of Wedge not knowing that he fought Rogriss just last year.

    • @chrissonofpear3657
      @chrissonofpear3657 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, I think Fry just got too busy there. It adds depth, but unintended, I guess. Rogriss was also supposedly an unremarkable commander.

    • @millernumber1
      @millernumber1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean, he's supposed to basically be Pellaeon without Thrawn - perfectly competent, honorable, believer in the good of the Empire without being warped by direct contact with the more evil commanders/leaders.
      I don't think it really adds depth - the death of Admiral Bell actually feels like it removes depth, because 1) it's not consistent with her character, and 2) it removes her from the pool of characters. (I have the same problem with the Black Fleet Crisis itself, since almost every named character except A'baht dies from the Fifth Fleet, so it has basically no impact on the NR military in books set afterwards.)

  • @jesushoil7495
    @jesushoil7495 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Now, I'm catch myself motivated to return for the dog outro lol

  • @adam6620
    @adam6620 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The days before Eckhart wasn’t an average salty virgin Star Wars hater.

  • @patriotliberator3160
    @patriotliberator3160 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just how the fuck do you lose 6 star destroyers to one squadron of fighters that makes no sense

  • @barrybend7189
    @barrybend7189 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Best transforming fighters:
    VF-11 thunderbolt from Macross plus vs the Union Flag from Gundam 00 vs the Viking from StarCraft vs the Mecha Tengu from Command and Conquer vs the Legioss from Genesis Climber Mospeda.

  • @Crazyman23
    @Crazyman23 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    How about the mammoth mk2 from command and conquer vs the AT-AT for your next versus match

  • @thegoodwillseventyseven
    @thegoodwillseventyseven 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hold up, did Captain Pellaeon Do a Thrawn pincer, pulling a SSD out of hyperspace perfectly next to the carrier and the NR's SSD's engines?

  • @whiteglint7694
    @whiteglint7694 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    How tf did some rebel fighters destroy multiple interdictors? More rebel BS

    • @Aaron_Guest
      @Aaron_Guest 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Plot armor

  • @ZhengIsRight
    @ZhengIsRight 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Legends nonsense at its finest.
    -saving ships that guzzle fuel, ammo and manpower like crazy when your stockpiles of all three have been vastly diminished
    -losing even one ship means you've lost a sizable percentage of your total firepower and Empire dreadnoughts are ridiculously vulnerable as the Battle of Endor showed. Oh, and you can't replace any of them because you have no means and resources of building such ships
    -those ships were already a waste of resources back in the civil war. Better have their resource's worth of smaller ships which gives you more flexibility
    Imagine if Imperial Japan at the end of WW2 had ended up in the "remnant" role and had decided to save the Yamato instead of anything else. Yeah, they'd have collapsed fast.

  • @CABRALFAN27
    @CABRALFAN27 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the Battle of Jakku is still cooler in its own right than any one of these battles, but I don't like the larger canon GCW lore, with the war ending just one year after Endor.

  • @matthewromoser4094
    @matthewromoser4094 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love your outro. Makes me smile every time. The pup's look of recognition right before the "hand wrestling" starts is hilarious and adorable.

  • @absolutezerochill2700
    @absolutezerochill2700 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wait, how was the battle of orinda a victory? They lost 6 whole interdictors and only destroyed one ship! Maybe if Pellaeon had actually protected them then they could have destroyed the Republic SSD and kept the interdictors

  • @ddjohnstonbetween2brests639
    @ddjohnstonbetween2brests639 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Come one, one fighter squadron destroyed 6 interdictor cruisers
    SW plot armor is fucking annoying, cheap and repetitive.

  • @filpav5987
    @filpav5987 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Me at 3:03: ok new republic executor came to fight executor
    Me at 3:32: WHAT IS THAT IS THAT ECLIPSE?!?!?!

  • @sword4005
    @sword4005 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    by the time the old man of the empire was in command it was too little too late to make a difference in wining the war but his action led to the empire not being totally destroyed and eventually like a phoenix rising again from the ashes ( at least in legends)

    • @stormcommando1640
      @stormcommando1640 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It wasn't until The Final Imperial Push failed that the Empire couldn't win.

  • @d.j.p.g.b.9662
    @d.j.p.g.b.9662 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is honestly one of the best star wars channels on youtube......like just ugh....i love you and your channel!!!!

  • @001skm
    @001skm 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    tbh, I prefer the new canon over the Expanded Universe in the era after the Original trilogy

  • @marckrieger3277
    @marckrieger3277 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    But how could just one squadron (even when its the rouges) destroy 6 Interdictors?

  • @kennethkates3140
    @kennethkates3140 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Poor Pellaeon, always the dutiful soldier and would have been a fantastic leader but was lost in the shadows of more powerful individuals.

  • @45580677
    @45580677 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I wish they added more to this campaign as it was epic and love to see more

  • @mixmaster3028
    @mixmaster3028 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Someone’s got to draw those two superstar destroyer’s and maybe one day make a book about the Orinda campaign.

  • @joshuabeynes9255
    @joshuabeynes9255 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You should do the new republic’s battle for coruscant, like if you agree

  • @Zen-sx5io
    @Zen-sx5io 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pelleon was such an suave and intelligent man.

  • @kennethkates3140
    @kennethkates3140 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Krytonian, Covenant, Dune and Star Wars technology compared

  • @connorsmith1005
    @connorsmith1005 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think this is a great case of the New Republic having Imperial style over confidence.

  • @pandjitandyolegowo3588
    @pandjitandyolegowo3588 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So.... Are we not going to mention that cute doggo at the end ?

  • @illuminaughty2518
    @illuminaughty2518 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What’s so civil about war anyways?

  • @johnecoapollo7
    @johnecoapollo7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pallaeon using his best friend's favorite weapon, the Interdictor brings a smile to my face. He was paying attention

  • @user-dk8gz3bl7r
    @user-dk8gz3bl7r 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    69th dislike
    (the videos great, had to do it)

  • @Weary_Wizard
    @Weary_Wizard 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The empire feels more like the underdog in the rebellion then the rebels. The new republic/ rebels always seem to win

  • @attilathehun5067
    @attilathehun5067 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Next to Thrawn, Pellaeon is probably the smartest imperial leader. He knew when to admit defeat.

  • @mansm7968
    @mansm7968 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Never forget how many people's lives were doomed and taken away.

  • @davidthewhale7556
    @davidthewhale7556 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I prefer the battle of Jakku

  • @ruskibeaner5983
    @ruskibeaner5983 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:30 pelleon really did learn a lot from the time serving under thrawn

  • @StarBornMichael
    @StarBornMichael 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    (33th request) 1 CAS Class Assault Carrier with 4 CSS Class Battlecruisers and 4 SDV-class heavy corvettes VS 1 Bellator Class Super Star Destroyer (yes i look it up and the Bellator Class has Fighters about 100 of them) 4 Imperial 2 class Star Destroyers and 4 Dreadnought Class Heavy cruisers (theses ships use to be Victory 2 class Star Destroyers but that would give the Empire too much an edge in the battle so i made them Dreadnought class Heavy cruisers instated too make it equal in a way)

  • @griffin5322
    @griffin5322 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always wondered what this picture was all about.
    Love your work Eckhart!

  • @100_American_Bison
    @100_American_Bison 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Spartans vs N7 and UNSC Marines vs System Alliance Marines

  • @datnoob4394
    @datnoob4394 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What happened after endor 45

  • @MisterRandom
    @MisterRandom 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    #Happy4thofJULY!!!! What better a way to celebrate this very American holiday than breaking down a battle with a metric crapton of explosions.

  • @strikeflyer
    @strikeflyer 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    RIP Areta Bell, captain of the Endurance class star destroyer Endurance. May she never be forgotten

  • @martinlowrimore
    @martinlowrimore 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh legends is so much juicier.

  • @user-gu7yo5yn9g
    @user-gu7yo5yn9g 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What kind of ship was the dominion?

    • @chrissonofpear3657
      @chrissonofpear3657 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      People aren't quite sure, but I'm guessing an Executor. The Megador seems smaller, maybe a Mandator?

    • @user-gu7yo5yn9g
      @user-gu7yo5yn9g 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Chris sonofPear maybe it’s a Bellator

    • @chrissonofpear3657
      @chrissonofpear3657 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Possible. The Megador was said to have 16 engines though, and be 'five times stronger than an Imperial Star Destroyer' (pretty conservative figures, it seems)

  • @suzumiyaharuhi3438
    @suzumiyaharuhi3438 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really you have to wonder what's the point of building those expansive star destroyer anyway when they can be sunk by a bunch of fighters anyway. Seriously just build nothing but carriers and like millions of fighters, and you win every engagement I promise.

    • @stormcommando1640
      @stormcommando1640 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      ...

    • @ufukcangencoglu2279
      @ufukcangencoglu2279 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The problem is that,If your TIE fighters get shredded then your carriers pretty much become sitting ducks.
      The Imperial Navy had a lot of problems but I don't really think switching to a Carrier focused doctrine would fix many of them

  • @herpesinflammation
    @herpesinflammation 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imagine what would have happened if the Empire consolidated under Pellaeon immediately after Thrawn's death. They might have had a chance...

  • @braedenwilson8373
    @braedenwilson8373 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you do more halo vs star wars???????? I would love that. Ex. Elites vs jedi , x wing vs falcon/ halo reach , spartan cartor vs a death trooper. Please continue doing halo vs star wars please

  • @Not_MissHina
    @Not_MissHina 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't even know that the rebels had those super star DD 🤣

    • @VegetaLF7
      @VegetaLF7 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      They captured Lusankya in the X-Wing novels. Rather ingenious tactics too. Rogue Squadron had called in some favors with a shit load of transports and gotten their hands on loads of missile launchers. They slaved the launchers together to fire on a single target and managed to overwhelm Lusankya's defenses (she was by herself and her commander had become incredibly unhinged). Lusankya took a heavy beating from the massive barrage of missiles and once disabled, her new acting captain surrendered rather than fight to the death. The New Republic took possession of Lusankya and spent years repairing and refitting her in secret to serve as a flagship for their fleet.
      If you want to read it for yourself, it happens in book 4 of the X-Wing novels: The Bacta War (though I strongly recommend just starting from the beginning)

  • @thorshammer7883
    @thorshammer7883 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imperium of Man vs the Forerunner empire.
    (Warhammer 40k vs Halo)
    Never going to give up.

  • @jawafreak230
    @jawafreak230 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had that book right next to me a few hours ago lol

  • @kennethkates3140
    @kennethkates3140 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2 Harrower Dreadnaughts vs 1 Imperial Star Destroyer

  • @Mithrawnuruodo
    @Mithrawnuruodo 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should have made two video, you may confuse people with those two different campaigns that needed more details to be understood clearly.

  • @bandude191
    @bandude191 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If the Arbiter or Master Chief had an Energy Sword could they beat a Jedi?

  • @cropathfinder
    @cropathfinder 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Admiral Pellaeon always reminds me of admiral Yamamoto