Even though it's now 6 years old by the time I write this, this video,along with your other flight videos, have really helped me, and others, get better at flying. I thought would not be able to understand how to fly in PS2, but you changed that, and I thank you 🙏
As a newbie Reaver pilot I really appreciate the help! I think I can control the Reaver now sufficiently to learn some advanced maneuvers. Thanks tons!
I used to destroy aircrafts with my Grounder. But now, I destroy them... by piloting them into trees or ground. Thankfully your videos are helping me a lot.
Ok guys, so the main help is when you are in 3rd person and just watch the white lines caused by the esf as you turn. You can reverse thrust only if they stop appearing which is about 2/3rds of the turn based on your speed. That's what helped me the most. Ed.: I use the scythe.
Awesome as always, thanks. Looking forward to the next video as I can somewhat dodge the scrub lockon spam but not always reliably so learning it in order to swap flares for some other options would be great!
You're hitting the afterburner before they're oriented downward if you're accelerating forward. I'm a scythe pilot and I can confirm they can work perfectly fine for the reverse maneuver, save that you don't have the visual confirmation of their orientation -- you have to judge when to hit them by timing. Start practicing by hitting the afterburner later and later in the maneuver until it works.
Very useful. I already use something something similar-ish to this. I will try your version. Its hard to manipulate the scythe for vertical afterburner due to no visual indication but it just requires a lot more practice... Another manuver I like is the upwards stall followed by vertical afterburner. No turning, but it can often get you straight on the tail of a chasing ESF, and since you aren't even turning it is often hard for most pilots to anticipate an counter.
Afterburner isn't required to do this. I just roll over with mouse (or bind it to keyboard to roll faster), and then use pitch down on my mouse to flip over. It is a lot easier and faster than in the video and works just fine if moving forward.
it works in a scythe, the timing is just tricky since we don't have actuating thrusters... keep trying and you'll get it, it's at that transition time from flight to hover
I think you need to start including ideal engagement targets for these maneuvers. A scythe pilot that is paying attention will have no trouble if he hits the brakes when you respond to this. With no bullet drop, he just has to put your reticle in front of your azimuth of your maneuver since your maneuver velocity in 2 directions is only temporary. If he is using the default gun, with range, he will pick you off. 1 on 1 of course.
Tried this many many times last night. Resulted in my death approximately 80% of the time. If you're doing this when someone is directly behind you shooting, then from their perspective you're just slowing down and moving upward, which is a VERY easy target to hit. However, when I started using the banking turn in combat (from your earlier video), I found it much easier to shake off the guy firing at me, and I was much harder to hit.
I'll have to try this out soon. The liberator takes most of my time as of late, but I've been looking for something interesting to get me back in the esf.
mossie is faster. you will need to brake more before activating afterburner. Also dont use spacebar until momentum is already dead, or you end up adding to it. Also keep in mind the airframe you use - hover has better brakes and will help do this faster. racer frame is faster and will need more braking from full speed. Hover is probably the ideal thing for this manouver, and reaver being the slowest is probably the ideal stock-vehicle. They are all a little different.
I've seen this maneuver used against me in game before. But only ever performed by a reaver. I will definitely be trying this tonight in my scythe to see if it's capable of pulling off this kind of maneuver.
I just roll with the default fuel tanks in the alt weapon slot. Most people don't, so it lets me outrun anything I can't out-turn pretty easily. Much more effective than bailing. ;) Also, pilot skill is far more important overall than the aircraft he's in.
Thanks for the tips I'm a new reaver pilot with breaker pods and I'll get one of the upgraded weapons later. Good news for us in the new game update MAX units will now cost 350 resource points so expect less AA fire. Again. Thanks for the help :)
I look forward to missile-dodging tips. Other than afterburning away from distant missiles (mostly ground-to-air) at full speed or hiding behind terrain I don't really know how to evade them. Having a backup measure for countering this when flares are spent would be great to add to my repetoire :)
Really looking forward to the A2A dodge. I've seen other pilots pull it off, and I accidentally managed to do it once myself, but I still don't quite understand how it's done.
THe scythes engines work very similar to the mossie and reaver - they just don't have the visual indication and you will have no "training wheels" while learning the manouver. you will just have to practice it enough that you can feel when the afterburn will give you vertical lift.
We lack the extra oomph compared to other ESFs. We have the vertical lift, but whenever I try these kind of moves, I actually move sower as compared to say a Reaver.
Your guides have truly improved my flight control ten fold over all three factions. I personally am a TR Mossie pilot for the most part (however my friends are the silly cultist Vanu) and I can honestly say thank you for all the tips and maneuvers. I would like to ask a question real quick question on the mossie primary. Which of the cannons would be better in air to air and better as an overall medium? Do the TR get any form of of something like the Vortek that shreds things to pieces?
I like these flight videos, but i wish you included more in-combat video of the techniques you describe. Hope to see more of this series. Or even better, while you do the tutorials put out some in-combat videos, featuring your flight techniques.
There is a very good way to dodge them fly low go around anything very sharply and fast and then you have a good chance the missile will lose you and don't just fly in a circle please the missile is fast so it will catch up to you if you don't put anything in between it and you
Been trying this one in the mossy with no luck. Would love to hear how other mossy pilots are fairing. Our thrusters don't seem to turn downwards anywhere near as soon as the ones in the video.
Hey ironfist, it looks like you use something closer to an aileron turn (no lateral movement) to flip your craft upside down (before you start pitching down). Wouldn't it make it harder to track you if you used half a barrel roll (helical movement) instead? Executing the half barrel roll by continuously pitching down during your roll (while "w" key is held if turning left like in a banking turn)
I think he said he got the hover airframe. Have you tried that? Before I got the hover airframe rank 1 on my scythe I couldn't use "Space" to lift like he does, but after getting it I can do all sorts of new directions quickly.
I don't know what you mean. You can't hit space(Default key) to get vertical lift in your scythe? My scythe works just like that. There's also pitch up/down which I don't think are bound to easy-to-reach keys from default.
I like this series a lot, but it would be of great help if you could show at exactly what point of the maneuver you press what key, i.e. just pausing the background video for a sec at key moments and explaining what step you performed at this point of the maneuver.
stuff like this is why i see no reason to nerf the esf, the only reason they are such a nightmare is when you meet people that have used hours on trying to train in them... while libs on the other hand -.- stupid op hp amount on that sht :P nice vid. this is actually how i have been doing the reverse maneuver xD
He is using afterburners with the vertical lift, which is why it only works after his engines have rotated. I'm not sure how this works for Scythes, since their engines don't rotate for VTOL.
Please show first person view at least a couple of times in these videos. It's really really helpful to see the artificial horizon. The third person view tends to not leave any frame of reference when you're pointed at the sky.
If a Scythe or Mosquito is on your tail, basically just bail and deny him a kill. Mosquito are harder hitting than you are and Scythes are the same except they can turn on the spot 180 without any complex keybinding pitch crap or nothing - you won't lose a Scythe.
Nevermind what I said about the banking turn, it is an Immelman exactly, the only slight difference is that fighters in this game are VTOLs, and, therefore have the capability of vertical thrust, but that does not facilitate the renaming of maneuvers that have been called the same thing throughout the history of Air Combat Maneuvering.
Just a question shouldn't the reaver be the slowest aircraft but with most health? like the mosquito is the fastest with less health, and the scythe is the most manuverble?
BTW, i said this because I AM A SCYTHE PILOT. But thanks for including such colorful speech, so I know I can all disregard your thoughts. Im sure the entire planetside community agrees.
That looks a lot like a WWI era S-turn modified slightly for the VTOL functionality of PS2 aircraft. Seriously, WWI dogfighters have been an invaluable resource for me personally.
They surely intend to, but it's not that easy you know... how to balance this stuff, costs, and other resources. And the fact that it's an fps, fitting fun naval combat is something... new i think
love this series. lets be honest: PS2 is all about dogfighting :D there is nothing more fun. i really liked the observer view of the manauver in your last vid though. any particular reason you left it out this time?
actually every time I see someone pull the reverse maneuver I just pull out and turn back into the fight from another angle which by then they think i have just left when in reality i am lining them up while they have no airspeed and are a sitting duck.
I dont' know how you do this manuever so fast. Doesn't the reaver have to slow down a lot so that the thrusters are facing down? Usually when I slow down is when the thrusters are facing down. Is there a way to make them face down without slowing down?
I was wondering, how viable is this for Scythes? I don't recall Scythes having the Vertical Thrust and as such I don't think as a Scythe, I can pull this off so quickly
I execute this maneuver all the time whether close or long range and nobody ever takes 80% of my health off. Perhaps practice the timing of the v-tol so you can do it faster.
I love the " allows me to rip the living shit out of him comment" Had a good old chuckle at that very timely and accurate assessment of what happend to the TR Mozy as a result of your turn! ;-)
I still have trouble when an enemy ESF is right behind me on my tail. I try to out-run them which usually fails. I try to just pitch up and do a roll/do a bank turn but they can easily see the beams of light that follow your ESF and continue to follow you so that doesn’t work. I try flying in reverse but i seem too slow so I die and lastly I try hiding behind something. I seems like if they are close on your tail, your death is predetermined. What do you do?
How can we determine where the missile is coming from when A.) Its behind us which if we slow down we'll get hit and B) The Render distance does not render A2A missiles if their not in your render distance. They either need to nerf the crap our of Lock ons Or Make them dodgeable Or finally fix the stupid render distance. Take it from somebody whos spend over 200+ hours just flying an ESF
not true what you have to do is quickly determine where the missile is coming from then get the missile to turn quickly it cannot compete with ESF turning radii but the lead pursuit the missiles have cause it to be very difficult to accomplish I just want to know how he can tell where it is coming from.
Even though it's now 6 years old by the time I write this, this video,along with your other flight videos, have really helped me, and others, get better at flying. I thought would not be able to understand how to fly in PS2, but you changed that, and I thank you 🙏
As a newbie Reaver pilot I really appreciate the help! I think I can control the Reaver now sufficiently to learn some advanced maneuvers.
Thanks tons!
Are you good now?
I got my first legitimate dog fight win after watching this!
I used to destroy aircrafts with my Grounder. But now, I destroy them... by piloting them into trees or ground.
Thankfully your videos are helping me a lot.
Ok guys, so the main help is when you are in 3rd person and just watch the white lines caused by the esf as you turn. You can reverse thrust only if they stop appearing which is about 2/3rds of the turn based on your speed. That's what helped me the most.
Ed.: I use the scythe.
Awesome as always, thanks. Looking forward to the next video as I can somewhat dodge the scrub lockon spam but not always reliably so learning it in order to swap flares for some other options would be great!
You're hitting the afterburner before they're oriented downward if you're accelerating forward. I'm a scythe pilot and I can confirm they can work perfectly fine for the reverse maneuver, save that you don't have the visual confirmation of their orientation -- you have to judge when to hit them by timing. Start practicing by hitting the afterburner later and later in the maneuver until it works.
Very useful. I already use something something similar-ish to this. I will try your version. Its hard to manipulate the scythe for vertical afterburner due to no visual indication but it just requires a lot more practice...
Another manuver I like is the upwards stall followed by vertical afterburner. No turning, but it can often get you straight on the tail of a chasing ESF, and since you aren't even turning it is often hard for most pilots to anticipate an counter.
An awesome new tool for my kit of air maneuvers, thanks a lot Ironfist! You are the greatest.
Afterburner isn't required to do this. I just roll over with mouse (or bind it to keyboard to roll faster), and then use pitch down on my mouse to flip over. It is a lot easier and faster than in the video and works just fine if moving forward.
ty so much for these videos. great work and we appreciate the time you take to show us and not horde ur mad skillz.
I enjoy seeing the maneuvers in action with your commentary. Please keep doing that. :D
Love your tuts. Just like to see them every week. TIP qwick land, use tech pland shield for landing, dive turn bihinde coffer for a suprice.
Another great vid. Really loving your work, makes me an all round better Reaver pilot.
bro this some awesome advise, It works I use the same maneuver. You can also hit breaker rockets effectively if you lead your sights correctly.
it works in a scythe, the timing is just tricky since we don't have actuating thrusters... keep trying and you'll get it, it's at that transition time from flight to hover
I think you need to start including ideal engagement targets for these maneuvers. A scythe pilot that is paying attention will have no trouble if he hits the brakes when you respond to this. With no bullet drop, he just has to put your reticle in front of your azimuth of your maneuver since your maneuver velocity in 2 directions is only temporary. If he is using the default gun, with range, he will pick you off. 1 on 1 of course.
This series is great! I'm looking forward more. Thanks!!
Tried this many many times last night. Resulted in my death approximately 80% of the time. If you're doing this when someone is directly behind you shooting, then from their perspective you're just slowing down and moving upward, which is a VERY easy target to hit. However, when I started using the banking turn in combat (from your earlier video), I found it much easier to shake off the guy firing at me, and I was much harder to hit.
I'll have to try this out soon.
The liberator takes most of my time as of late, but I've been looking for something interesting to get me back in the esf.
mossie is faster. you will need to brake more before activating afterburner. Also dont use spacebar until momentum is already dead, or you end up adding to it. Also keep in mind the airframe you use - hover has better brakes and will help do this faster. racer frame is faster and will need more braking from full speed. Hover is probably the ideal thing for this manouver, and reaver being the slowest is probably the ideal stock-vehicle. They are all a little different.
I've seen this maneuver used against me in game before. But only ever performed by a reaver. I will definitely be trying this tonight in my scythe to see if it's capable of pulling off this kind of maneuver.
I just roll with the default fuel tanks in the alt weapon slot. Most people don't, so it lets me outrun anything I can't out-turn pretty easily. Much more effective than bailing. ;)
Also, pilot skill is far more important overall than the aircraft he's in.
Thanks for the tips I'm a new reaver pilot with breaker pods and I'll get one of the upgraded weapons later. Good news for us in the new game update MAX units will now cost 350 resource points so expect less AA fire. Again. Thanks for the help :)
Lovin this maneuver, killed a few scyths that thought they could stay behind me!
I look forward to missile-dodging tips. Other than afterburning away from distant missiles (mostly ground-to-air) at full speed or hiding behind terrain I don't really know how to evade them. Having a backup measure for countering this when flares are spent would be great to add to my repetoire :)
Love it! I almost got the banking turn perfected! Now to get this one!
Really looking forward to the A2A dodge. I've seen other pilots pull it off, and I accidentally managed to do it once myself, but I still don't quite understand how it's done.
i perfected the banking turn and reverse manuver. Gotta tackle this one tomorrow...
Keep the great work up, I've been forwarding these to my pilots on my server Genudine.
THe scythes engines work very similar to the mossie and reaver - they just don't have the visual indication and you will have no "training wheels" while learning the manouver. you will just have to practice it enough that you can feel when the afterburn will give you vertical lift.
I love this maneuver! I'm going to try it out!
We lack the extra oomph compared to other ESFs. We have the vertical lift, but whenever I try these kind of moves, I actually move sower as compared to say a Reaver.
absolutely, this would really polish that (already awesome) game!
Your guides have truly improved my flight control ten fold over all three factions. I personally am a TR Mossie pilot for the most part (however my friends are the silly cultist Vanu) and I can honestly say thank you for all the tips and maneuvers. I would like to ask a question real quick question on the mossie primary. Which of the cannons would be better in air to air and better as an overall medium? Do the TR get any form of of something like the Vortek that shreds things to pieces?
That was simply beautiful!
This is a fantastic video, thanks for making it!
Good tutorials, I thought I could turn a reaver quick but this is a much better way. And one more thing, NC rules!!!
Thanks! after a few tries i managed to do it with my scythe :D
spacebar - the "vertical thruster" is the "go up" key basically.
Very nice, always good to have some more tricks up yolur sleeve.
I like these flight videos, but i wish you included more in-combat video of the techniques you describe.
Hope to see more of this series. Or even better, while you do the tutorials put out some in-combat videos, featuring your flight techniques.
Thanks, can't wait to try this out.
I can't wait for the next episode
these tips really helped me out. Thanks :)
you're a real NC airborne ! flying a Reaver takes SKILL
Default keybind for the vertical thruster is "spacebar".
Yeah i heard they would add a continent with islands and then also add navel warfare don't know if this is true but its long down the line if it is
There is a very good way to dodge them fly low go around anything very sharply and fast and then you have a good chance the missile will lose you and don't just fly in a circle please the missile is fast so it will catch up to you if you don't put anything in between it and you
Been trying this one in the mossy with no luck. Would love to hear how other mossy pilots are fairing. Our thrusters don't seem to turn downwards anywhere near as soon as the ones in the video.
Hey ironfist, it looks like you use something closer to an aileron turn (no lateral movement) to flip your craft upside down (before you start pitching down). Wouldn't it make it harder to track you if you used half a barrel roll (helical movement) instead? Executing the half barrel roll by continuously pitching down during your roll (while "w" key is held if turning left like in a banking turn)
I think he said he got the hover airframe. Have you tried that? Before I got the hover airframe rank 1 on my scythe I couldn't use "Space" to lift like he does, but after getting it I can do all sorts of new directions quickly.
Thanks for these tutorials.
I don't know what you mean. You can't hit space(Default key) to get vertical lift in your scythe? My scythe works just like that. There's also pitch up/down which I don't think are bound to easy-to-reach keys from default.
I like this series a lot, but it would be of great help if you could show at exactly what point of the maneuver you press what key, i.e. just pausing the background video for a sec at key moments and explaining what step you performed at this point of the maneuver.
stuff like this is why i see no reason to nerf the esf, the only reason they are such a nightmare is when you meet people that have used hours on trying to train in them... while libs on the other hand -.- stupid op hp amount on that sht :P nice vid. this is actually how i have been doing the reverse maneuver xD
I can just tell doing this in the scythe is going to be difficult, knowing when you afterburn without visual queues is gonna take a lot of practice.
He is using afterburners with the vertical lift, which is why it only works after his engines have rotated. I'm not sure how this works for Scythes, since their engines don't rotate for VTOL.
Can't do this in my Scythe, but did it first time in the Reaver not sure why as I thought all ESF's were similar.
Something called analog thrust. It's unbounded by default and will drop your speed immediately. Look it up.
Lol I already thought of this myself, and used it, I never realised it was so handy
When's the next video going to be out? I really want to see it!
Please also make videos for the Lib and the Gal. Thanks and keep up the good work
Please show first person view at least a couple of times in these videos. It's really really helpful to see the artificial horizon. The third person view tends to not leave any frame of reference when you're pointed at the sky.
You are flipping great.!
good stuff!
thanks for the tip
Thx for flight school I'm now powerful at flying as Darth Vader in his ship
If a Scythe or Mosquito is on your tail, basically just bail and deny him a kill. Mosquito are harder hitting than you are and Scythes are the same except they can turn on the spot 180 without any complex keybinding pitch crap or nothing - you won't lose a Scythe.
Nevermind what I said about the banking turn, it is an Immelman exactly, the only slight difference is that fighters in this game are VTOLs, and, therefore have the capability of vertical thrust, but that does not facilitate the renaming of maneuvers that have been called the same thing throughout the history of Air Combat Maneuvering.
They are called wings. Always on during forward movement.
Just a question shouldn't the reaver be the slowest aircraft but with most health? like the mosquito is the fastest with less health, and the scythe is the most manuverble?
Really looking forward to dodging those a2a missiles!
Reminds me of the Immelman turn.
BTW, i said this because I AM A SCYTHE PILOT. But thanks for including such colorful speech, so I know I can all disregard your thoughts. Im sure the entire planetside community agrees.
Used this maneuver last night. Won me an airfight with a loaded Lib!
Is the Reaver really the slowest? I would think that it is at least faster then the Scyth do to the faster afterburners and better vertical trust.
You know what PS2 needs? Nautical combat. Boats and oceans and stuff.
That looks a lot like a WWI era S-turn modified slightly for the VTOL functionality of PS2 aircraft. Seriously, WWI dogfighters have been an invaluable resource for me personally.
I think reaver is the 2nd fastest or 2nd slowest and has the fastest after burner speed
They surely intend to, but it's not that easy you know... how to balance this stuff, costs, and other resources. And the fact that it's an fps, fitting fun naval combat is something... new i think
love this series. lets be honest: PS2 is all about dogfighting :D there is nothing more fun. i really liked the observer view of the manauver in your last vid though. any particular reason you left it out this time?
actually every time I see someone pull the reverse maneuver I just pull out and turn back into the fight from another angle which by then they think i have just left when in reality i am lining them up while they have no airspeed and are a sitting duck.
I dont' know how you do this manuever so fast. Doesn't the reaver have to slow down a lot so that the thrusters are facing down? Usually when I slow down is when the thrusters are facing down. Is there a way to make them face down without slowing down?
Man your tutorials are amaizing but can you post in them more live situations?
Yes im still waiting for the dodge as well. Can you write me how its done?
I'd really like to see the dodge move video.
more...MORE!....MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOREEE!!!!...great vids btw ;)
I was wondering, how viable is this for Scythes? I don't recall Scythes having the Vertical Thrust and as such I don't think as a Scythe, I can pull this off so quickly
I execute this maneuver all the time whether close or long range and nobody ever takes 80% of my health off. Perhaps practice the timing of the v-tol so you can do it faster.
you can get the upwards boost from the afterburners?
Well I've checked it today and it seems no matter what speed or direction you fly the afterburner will always give you forward thrust.
I love the " allows me to rip the living shit out of him comment" Had a good old chuckle at that very timely and accurate assessment of what happend to the TR Mozy as a result of your turn! ;-)
absolutely rip the crap out of him
I still have trouble when an enemy ESF is right behind me on my tail. I try to out-run them which usually fails. I try to just pitch up and do a roll/do a bank turn but they can easily see the beams of light that follow your ESF and continue to follow you so that doesn’t work. I try flying in reverse but i seem too slow so I die and lastly I try hiding behind something. I seems like if they are close on your tail, your death is predetermined.
What do you do?
How can we determine where the missile is coming from when A.) Its behind us which if we slow down we'll get hit and B) The Render distance does not render A2A missiles if their not in your render distance. They either need to nerf the crap our of Lock ons Or Make them dodgeable Or finally fix the stupid render distance. Take it from somebody whos spend over 200+ hours just flying an ESF
my question is, how do you lose your forward momentum so quickly in that scene of you vs those mosquitoes
i would like to see more scythe videos :)
Sorry, i dont play with the english version, what is the default key of the vertical thruster ?
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not true what you have to do is quickly determine where the missile is coming from then get the missile to turn quickly it cannot compete with ESF turning radii but the lead pursuit the missiles have cause it to be very difficult to accomplish
I just want to know how he can tell where it is coming from.