@@ALinsdau when we where where 19 we use to go camping in the mountains in -f weather in the middle of the winter. It was like we had the mountain to ourselves. I love cold.
I think the Arctic pumps may have a leather pump cup instead of the rubber pump cup. Some of the older MSR pumps came with leather pump cups. I believe the idea was leather is less likely to fail in the cold than rubber. It is also less likely to tear if you need to stretch it out by hand, and they swell up when oil is added so they seal well.
My pump has a leather cup & I have a couple of spares - in preference to rubber cups. Replies like yours are the reason I read 'em & enjoy 'em as much as the video. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada
@@azclaimjumper I know I saved leather pump cups from wore out MSR pumps and added them to new pumps. Some of the old MSR parts kits came with leather pump cups too. I also remember adding leather pump cups to old Coleman "Peak 1" stoves and lanterns from the '90's. The pre-90's Coleman stuff all had leather pump cups.
I've had the pump fail before despite it working just fine right before my trip. I was really glad that I brought an extra pump. The blue top (arctic) pump has heavier seals, and they recommend it only using it when it's below freezing
I don't understand the reasoning behind not using the larger 30 0z. fuel bottle. I weighs less that the 2 smaller bottles combined and only holds 1 less ounce. Example: 11 ounce bottle weighs 4.3 oz., 20 ounce bottle weighs 5.9 oz. Together they weigh over 10 ounces empty. The 30 ounce bottle weighs 7.7 oz. empty. Full the bottles weigh 15.3 oz. plus 25.9 oz. or 40.2 oz. The 30 ounce bottle weighs 37.7 oz when full. These are numbers taken from MSR website.
What do you think about the Optimus Polaris pump? Its all metal and the cup is a leather one. I have only used it in -9C but it worked just great and since its metal it wont crack when its cold.
Ill have to look into the cap, byt was already planning ro get a second small one! If im useing snowshoes and poles, and above tree line. Should i carry an ice axe somewhere accessible in case i slip? Or is ir more likely to cause injury?
"Always" carry an ice axe in the mountains, even a super light one. Learn to use it for sure: CAMP Corsa Nanotech Ice Axe: amzn.to/3ImrDxR Ice axe for beginners: th-cam.com/video/fV4tLt-4Bb8/w-d-xo.html
Don't forget to wrap gorilla tape around the cap and fuel bottle if you're carrying them in a sled. The bumping and jostling while traveling over uneven ground could cause them to loosen, and potentially leak fuel all over your gear and food.
I don't really worry about tape residue since it's on the outside of the bottle and cap and won't affect the fuel or pump. If needed you can clean it off using a rag soaked with Goo-Gone, rubbing alcohol, hand sanitizer, or a bit of white gas fuel. Having secondary containment such as a ziplock is also a good idea.
I carried 14 large MSR fuel bottles on a 25 day expedition inside orange expedition Pulk ( enough for 2 crew ) ... half locking lids and the other, older style. By the end of 2000 km Snowkiting across Greenland 🇬🇱 we had zero leaks. Literally hundreds of Pulk launches off of Sastrugi resulting in damaged bottle exterior …These MSR bottles worked for us. ( food packaging…well, that’s another issue ) used the non Arctic pump with a spare pot, spoon and expedition fuel pump service kit. ( used it couple times due to ice in fuel ). Thank you for sharing your gear experiences ! 🙏🏼
Or just get an alcohol stove. No moving parts, no toxic explosive liquid. Lights easily even at subzero F temps if you put the fuel in your pocket for a bit. Many alcohol stove/potholders double as twig stoves, so you don't need to worry about fuel rationing if you're near trees.
I love my alcohol stove but it's extremely difficult to light in sub-zero temps. Plus a basic pepsi can stove is not as powerful as the XGK. No trees on the Arctic ice cap, though that'd be nice.
I’m buying a Brunton stove but I’ll have to buy an MSR backup bottle!
MSR has gotten so fuking proud of themselves $$$.
Bless you🙏🇺🇸
Stay safe out there.
@@ALinsdau when we where where 19 we use to go camping in the mountains in -f weather in the middle of the winter. It was like we had the mountain to ourselves.
I love cold.
I think the Arctic pumps may have a leather pump cup instead of the rubber pump cup. Some of the older MSR pumps came with leather pump cups. I believe the idea was leather is less likely to fail in the cold than rubber. It is also less likely to tear if you need to stretch it out by hand, and they swell up when oil is added so they seal well.
My pump has a leather cup & I have a couple of spares - in preference to rubber cups.
Replies like yours are the reason I read 'em & enjoy 'em as much as the video.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada
@@azclaimjumper I know I saved leather pump cups from wore out MSR pumps and added them to new pumps. Some of the old MSR parts kits came with leather pump cups too. I also remember adding leather pump cups to old Coleman "Peak 1" stoves and lanterns from the '90's. The pre-90's Coleman stuff all had leather pump cups.
Good to note!
I've had the pump fail before despite it working just fine right before my trip. I was really glad that I brought an extra pump. The blue top (arctic) pump has heavier seals, and they recommend it only using it when it's below freezing
Glad you made it back!
May i ask what you store the white gas in when your out for many days or weeks on end?
I don't understand the reasoning behind not using the larger 30 0z. fuel bottle. I weighs less that the 2 smaller bottles combined and only holds 1 less ounce. Example: 11 ounce bottle weighs 4.3 oz., 20 ounce bottle weighs 5.9 oz. Together they weigh over 10 ounces empty. The 30 ounce bottle weighs 7.7 oz. empty. Full the bottles weigh 15.3 oz. plus 25.9 oz. or 40.2 oz. The 30 ounce bottle weighs 37.7 oz when full. These are numbers taken from MSR website.
Good Morning ! Thanks. TAKE CARE..
Good morning!
Hi there, do you have any tips how to put fuel inside these bottles from a 25 liters tank without waste?
Greetings from Greenland,
What do you think about the Optimus Polaris pump? Its all metal and the cup is a leather one.
I have only used it in -9C but it worked just great and since its metal it wont crack when its cold.
I've heard some good things about it, will have to investigate.
Ill have to look into the cap, byt was already planning ro get a second small one!
If im useing snowshoes and poles, and above tree line. Should i carry an ice axe somewhere accessible in case i slip? Or is ir more likely to cause injury?
"Always" carry an ice axe in the mountains, even a super light one. Learn to use it for sure:
CAMP Corsa Nanotech Ice Axe: amzn.to/3ImrDxR
Ice axe for beginners: th-cam.com/video/fV4tLt-4Bb8/w-d-xo.html
I made a video to help answer your question:
th-cam.com/video/6H7m1mmiL6U/w-d-xo.html
I made a video to hopefully help answer this question:
th-cam.com/video/6H7m1mmiL6U/w-d-xo.html
@ALinsdau I started it but need to finish yet!! Just finish a 30 mile trip in badlands last weekend 😀
Don't forget to wrap gorilla tape around the cap and fuel bottle if you're carrying them in a sled. The bumping and jostling while traveling over uneven ground could cause them to loosen, and potentially leak fuel all over your gear and food.
Great pointer. How do you deal with the tape glue? I kept my bottles in a 1-gallon ziplock bag.
I don't really worry about tape residue since it's on the outside of the bottle and cap and won't affect the fuel or pump. If needed you can clean it off using a rag soaked with Goo-Gone, rubbing alcohol, hand sanitizer, or a bit of white gas fuel. Having secondary containment such as a ziplock is also a good idea.
I carried 14 large MSR fuel bottles on a 25 day expedition inside orange expedition Pulk ( enough for 2 crew ) ... half locking lids and the other, older style. By the end of 2000 km Snowkiting across Greenland 🇬🇱 we had zero leaks. Literally hundreds of Pulk launches off of Sastrugi resulting in damaged bottle exterior …These MSR bottles worked for us. ( food packaging…well, that’s another issue ) used the non Arctic pump with a spare pot, spoon and expedition fuel pump service kit. ( used it couple times due to ice in fuel ). Thank you for sharing your gear experiences ! 🙏🏼
Nice !
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Or just get an alcohol stove. No moving parts, no toxic explosive liquid. Lights easily even at subzero F temps if you put the fuel in your pocket for a bit. Many alcohol stove/potholders double as twig stoves, so you don't need to worry about fuel rationing if you're near trees.
Sure! But the "problem" is fuel efficient. Especially on longer expeditions.
I love my alcohol stove but it's extremely difficult to light in sub-zero temps. Plus a basic pepsi can stove is not as powerful as the XGK. No trees on the Arctic ice cap, though that'd be nice.