The price of scrap is about $1.90 a ton. Each of those way 48,000 lbs or $5,000 each. If you can both for $10,000 with the idea of putting one together, that's probably not a bad deal. I vote for both. You can also sell some of the attachments to help lower the cost. Just a thought.
I realize they’re not free, but I’d love to watch you rescue both, even if you need to use both to yield a single good one, then scrap the balance. The buckets and rakes seem valuable as parts on their own as well. I hope the video does well enough to get you started.
If you got the money and time please buy them because all the new stuff is clogged up with computer management and I think these 2 will sell at a higher range price if you rebuild them. I think everyone should buy up all the classic stuff especially the made in the USA. When I get the money I'm going to be buying an old vehicle and putting a Cummins diesel with a six-speed manual in it. They get excellent fuel mileage and don't have to worry much about fixing it for years.
The first one sounds like low fuel pressure or bad injector plungers. The second one might have water in the cylinders, because the rain cap was missing from the stack. I would try to take both and at least get one descent machine if the price is right.
I vote for saving both! Like others have suggested, you can make one good one out of two. Or maybe even get the rough one running eventually. Sell parts etc to help reduce the cost of acquiring them.
Save Both of them !! They are great old machines they can be fixed and used again ! Try bleeding all the injectors while you’re cranking it over ,make sure the fuel filters are replaced also ,
If its not a fuel knock it could be a bent push rod, broken valve spring or just needs valve ajusted. I buy alot of machines for scrap & the only thing you lose is your time. With atf & acidtone most will free up. I would buy them
My Father bought a brand-new Caterpillar 955H in 1963 to be used on high altitude Hydro Electric Dam projects in Switzerland. The first was a Traxcavator 977 in 1957. H is US-Built | B Belgium | G France
Awesome machines in their day! My favorite to operate Lets dig you tube er bought one recently Put money in it and is running it A lot better than the new ones
The first 977 needs a new or refurbished lift pump, the fuel pressure in the mecanical system needs right pressure to work, around 1 bar. it works like a car with carburetor, No fuel presure, No go. Fix the leak in the pump, the machine Will start easier an stop knocking, even get the power back
There is a Banjo filter held up with a swinging wire and Thumb wheel located under the Pump and above/ behind the Alternator just behind where you loosened the fuel pipe !!!- undo the Thumb wheel and drop the long egg cup banjo down and clean the filter inside !!!!!!!!- itll be gummed up. Also at least half fill the diesel tank - better full to push it through. If fuel is coming out wherte the hour meter is located it may have an internal fuel leak into the Timing Chamber. You really need a well equipped workshop with overhead crane to strip it down to access all the issuse
Yes, I’d like to see them working again. It would be interesting content… which will be quite viewable for years to come. Yes sprockets are worn and you need some parts and a lot of labour but it’s an investment for your channel.
Low fuel pressure on the runner would cause the knocking sound. And if it can hold the bucket up, the main cylinders are good. DEF worth the price at scrap value. The other would probably be good to keep also, if for no other reason than parts and the implement on the front. But I'd bet that once the cylinders are opened up and drained, you'd have a shot at having two runners. I'd LOVE to find a deal like that to keep at the property for dozer/rock work. Neither are viable for real commercial use anymore though.
I think that knock is itself just cleaning it out,and what i mean by that is its just dumping diesel in to the cylinder and then just not egniting everything,but just some of the fuel and making it seem like a rodknock,but actually its just detonating
That first looks to be like a pretty good machine. Fix the fuel pissing out the side and then revisit the knock. Worse thing is you have to go into the motor. These are clearing machines. Like 6+ acres a day. Where I'm from you could pay for both machines in one day working it. You could part one out and make a lick as well.
The way the oil is clean possibility was run with no oil because it is knocking really bad and skipping bad and the fuel pump is leaking bad. The root rake works very well piling brush to burn because you can pick it up and put it on the pile.
Come on guys...I mean how often do you comes across such a vintage machines..one day they they will be highly sought after and then you will regret passing them to the crusher..just from you tube videos you guys can recover the cost .plus if you guys fix them and sell them if you chose to that is another bonus..so either way you guys are winning ...these 2 machines will creat a big door for you to make it big on you tube ...people love to watch these vintage yellow beast .. Keep up the good work.and good luck with the Machines.
You need a good twenty/thirty seconds on the glow plugs to get those old Cats running. Also it's the fuel transfer pump that's leaking. You can buy good cheap aftermarket ones for not to much money.
I think it’s fuel pressure related on the first one, it cleared up some when you were moving it. Sprockets look pretty worn though (probably main reason they scrapped it)
Id do both myself if theyre at scrap value, you might be able to free up that other one. Fix the fuel system on the one and I bet that knock goes away.
It’s a fuel knock on the first one I got a dutze tractor will knock when it runs low on fuel because it’s liking it out before it gets to the injection pump it will do the same fix the leak then it will run good
They look to good to scrap!! I you can get them for scrap price go for it! I love old industrial machinery especially massey ferguson. I have a mf400 crawler and a mf 40 and 50 digger. Old machines but I love them!!!
I would buy the one you had running, and do an engine rebuild. the second one more than likely has water in a cylinder also an engine rebuild, but worst thing is it has a sleeve metering fuel pump, they do not like water in the fuel
There both repairable. The first smoke but is normal when starting an old diesel when its cold , doesn’t sold the best. there also desirable machines. depends o how much you need to spend
If you go for it remember, biggest expense will most likely be moving the thing around, assuming drivetrain is solid. Those tranny's can have lots of problems. The primer pumps are common rebuild items and Cat should have them in stock if it's just fuel delivery issue. Also you can't rule out a fuel knock/running on 5 cylinders until you fix that gusher
Depends what its gonna cost to make em reliable !! And !! if you have the work for them !! though thats a bit Chicken n the Egg !!- If youve got them - customers will ask for work to be done.
Dam always saddens me when someone thinks about just cutting machines up makes for great parts for someone then being made into junk stuff. Hope someone can save them. I beat that othere one was brought in bc of overheating look how clogged that radiator was on second machine
Definately save the one that runs. On the other one, pull the glow plugs and pour in some Marvel Mystery Oil. Let it sit for a day and try turning it over again.
Fix both I love old machines maybe it’s knocking because the fuel isn’t going to all cylinders if you don’t get them I’m interested if they are close enough in Michigan
Vote to save the old iron if you can get the money is right. But you might contact Letsdig18 for some information on it and he might like the root rake .
The first machine has fuel pump and or Ip trouble. These are indirect injection and are noisy. It has to have GP or either to start. There is no Rod Knock. It's fuel related. You saw the oil pressure pegged. Bad engine won't do that. Second machine will never turn because of the open exhaust. You know what those cylinders look. You just went through that with the Detroit In the Loader. BTW you ever get that running? Those machines are classics and well respected. You could easily sell them running or parts with your social media connections.
We will see about the 977s!! The Michigan we are working on.. currently we have the engine all assembled but the head, we are waiting on that from the machine shop. You will see it running maybe this month or next!!
Probably an injection nozzle knock. Loosen one injection line at a time. If the knock goes away its an injection nozzle knock. I've had this problem before with the 3306 cat.
underneath the injection pump is a small bowl fuel filter..change it..for gods sake prop the mast up with the safety lock,dont work underneath it without the safety lock on!
You have to keep both of them from the crusher, even if you don't keep them, you can show a wider range of people that they're for sale, and I'm sure sommeone'll want them
977s don't crush like cars lol they'll be be cut into pieces with acetylene torches & put into 40 foot scrap dumpsters & taken to the shredder. Been working in scrap for 32 years. Those things would break any crusher ,old but gold built to last.Really hope they can be saved.
The Knocking is due to low fuel pressure in the cylinder. It's the same as a spark knock. Just like your 7.3 if you run it out of fuel
Yep
That’s what I was going to say also.
The price of scrap is about $1.90 a ton. Each of those way 48,000 lbs or $5,000 each. If you can both for $10,000 with the idea of putting one together, that's probably not a bad deal. I vote for both. You can also sell some of the attachments to help lower the cost. Just a thought.
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Fix the fuel leak
That’s about $300 in parts on a machine we don’t own… we will see how the video does
@@dieseJLthat machine would run better once u fix it and you probably wouldn’t need to look near it it’ll make u money too
There is only one thing better than a 977...and that is two 977's!💥💥
I realize they’re not free, but I’d love to watch you rescue both, even if you need to use both to yield a single good one, then scrap the balance. The buckets and rakes seem valuable as parts on their own as well. I hope the video does well enough to get you started.
Offer scrap value for them and make your money back by doing videos on rebuilding them! At worst you scrap them yourself, just my 2 cents.
and 2 to make 1 gets you a good dozer.
If you got the money and time please buy them because all the new stuff is clogged up with computer management and I think these 2 will sell at a higher range price if you rebuild them. I think everyone should buy up all the classic stuff especially the made in the USA. When I get the money I'm going to be buying an old vehicle and putting a Cummins diesel with a six-speed manual in it. They get excellent fuel mileage and don't have to worry much about fixing it for years.
The first one sounds like low fuel pressure or bad injector plungers. The second one might have water in the cylinders, because the rain cap was missing from the stack. I would try to take both and at least get one descent machine if the price is right.
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Keep it and do a hole-build video on them both and get them up and running would be a great set of videos
I vote for saving both! Like others have suggested, you can make one good one out of two. Or maybe even get the rough one running eventually. Sell parts etc to help reduce the cost of acquiring them.
Save Both of them !! They are great old machines they can be fixed and used again ! Try bleeding all the injectors while you’re cranking it over ,make sure the fuel filters are replaced also ,
I would get em both . Old iron is easier to work on than this new stuff.
If its not a fuel knock it could be a bent push rod, broken valve spring or just needs valve ajusted. I buy alot of machines for scrap & the only thing you lose is your time. With atf & acidtone most will free up. I would buy them
My Father bought a brand-new Caterpillar 955H in 1963 to be used on high altitude Hydro Electric Dam projects in Switzerland. The first was a Traxcavator 977 in 1957. H is US-Built | B Belgium | G France
Awesome machines in their day! My favorite to operate Lets dig you tube er bought one recently Put money in it and is running it A lot better than the new ones
Save both! I used to run one. They are Legendary machines!
The first 977 needs a new or refurbished lift pump, the fuel pressure in the mecanical system needs right pressure to work, around 1 bar. it works like a car with carburetor, No fuel presure, No go. Fix the leak in the pump, the machine Will start easier an stop knocking, even get the power back
I might think the knocking could be an injector, I had one go once, sounded like the crank was snapped.
There is a Banjo filter held up with a swinging wire and Thumb wheel located under the Pump and above/ behind the Alternator just behind where you loosened the fuel pipe !!!- undo the Thumb wheel and drop the long egg cup banjo down and clean the filter inside !!!!!!!!- itll be gummed up.
Also at least half fill the diesel tank - better full to push it through.
If fuel is coming out wherte the hour meter is located it may have an internal fuel leak into the Timing Chamber.
You really need a well equipped workshop with overhead crane to strip it down to access all the issuse
Are you talking about a sediment bowl??
Yes, I’d like to see them working again. It would be interesting content… which will be quite viewable for years to come. Yes sprockets are worn and you need some parts and a lot of labour but it’s an investment for your channel.
I'm a sap for old equipment. I say save them both. With the right connections they can be used for barter or spare parts for others. Good video !
Low fuel pressure on the runner would cause the knocking sound. And if it can hold the bucket up, the main cylinders are good. DEF worth the price at scrap value. The other would probably be good to keep also, if for no other reason than parts and the implement on the front. But I'd bet that once the cylinders are opened up and drained, you'd have a shot at having two runners. I'd LOVE to find a deal like that to keep at the property for dozer/rock work. Neither are viable for real commercial use anymore though.
I would keep the better of the two of them the one without the bucket is pretty rough but the other one looks to be in good shape
I think that knock is itself just cleaning it out,and what i mean by that is its just dumping diesel in to the cylinder and then just not egniting everything,but just some of the fuel and making it seem like a rodknock,but actually its just detonating
Get in touch with C&C equipment and see if they want them.
Nice those are one of my favorite cat equipment
That first looks to be like a pretty good machine. Fix the fuel pissing out the side and then revisit the knock. Worse thing is you have to go into the motor. These are clearing machines. Like 6+ acres a day. Where I'm from you could pay for both machines in one day working it. You could part one out and make a lick as well.
Ck your fuel filter for sealing o ring on top seemed to lopsided loosen top bolt and secure it . If not will let air in.
Cuumcuum
The way the oil is clean possibility was run with no oil because it is knocking really bad and skipping bad and the fuel pump is leaking bad. The root rake works very well piling brush to burn because you can pick it up and put it on the pile.
Moan away from i kinda like a channel the fixed i see you fix structures and do do stuff i like it❤
Come on guys...I mean how often do you comes across such a vintage machines..one day they they will be highly sought after and then you will regret passing them to the crusher..just from you tube videos you guys can recover the cost .plus if you guys fix them and sell them if you chose to that is another bonus..so either way you guys are winning ...these 2 machines will creat a big door for you to make it big on you tube ...people love to watch these vintage yellow beast ..
Keep up the good work.and good luck with the Machines.
Rescue both. Machines of this age are cool, and fixing them up could make your money back.
You have to buy the first one to get your ratchet back and the second one for the injection pump to put on the first one
I hope you can save them. They are amazing machines. Grew up with a 977.
It'll be interesting to see why the second one is locked up so much!
Yeah, it's not my money, save them both!
Save both of them if you can, old cats are the best!
I need a machine like that. Perfect for dump spot.
It seems the knock didn’t increase as the engine rpm’s increased. To me that’s not related to the engine.
Also, that rake could be made into one hell of a grapple possibly.
You need a good twenty/thirty seconds on the glow plugs to get those old Cats running. Also it's the fuel transfer pump that's leaking. You can buy good cheap aftermarket ones for not to much money.
I see them for about $200 online but the CAT one from the dealer is $1000. Are the cheap ones ok? Or should I rebuild the one that is on it?
@@dieseJL Yes, I rarely buy genuine Cat parts as they are ridiculously priced and the aftermarket parts are pretty dammed good tbf.
Any particular place you shop?
cool hope you take them both home
Fix it between the two! Good set of gauges on one.
Definitely need both
I think it’s fuel pressure related on the first one, it cleared up some when you were moving it. Sprockets look pretty worn though (probably main reason they scrapped it)
I need that rake man!
I would love to see you rehab them both but I understand if you don’t want to invest the time and money into them
Id do both myself if theyre at scrap value, you might be able to free up that other one. Fix the fuel system on the one and I bet that knock goes away.
New to channel absolutely love it
I've got a 955l that's a good working machine...almost identical just smaller...I could use the front grab bar if you scrap it
I would try to save them and see what u can do with them
It’s a fuel knock on the first one I got a dutze tractor will knock when it runs low on fuel because it’s liking it out before it gets to the injection pump it will do the same fix the leak then it will run good
Hopefully 😬😬
They look to good to scrap!!
I you can get them for scrap price go for it!
I love old industrial machinery especially massey ferguson. I have a mf400 crawler and a mf 40 and 50 digger. Old machines but I love them!!!
I would buy the one you had running, and do an engine rebuild. the second one more than likely has water in a cylinder also an engine rebuild, but worst thing is it has a sleeve metering fuel pump, they do not like water in the fuel
Reversable fan is gold!!!!!!
Yeah, I’d say go for it both of them
There both repairable. The first smoke but is normal when starting an old diesel when its cold , doesn’t sold the best. there also desirable machines. depends o how much you need to spend
Unscrew the knob on top of the filter housing to prime.
Fuel knock from that leak!
Call C&C Equipment. They are Dozer old school experts.
Take the one that is frozzen up put on the one that is runing like the traces
Buy them both! what you dont need parts bone yards would buy them for parts!
If you go for it remember, biggest expense will most likely be moving the thing around, assuming drivetrain is solid. Those tranny's can have lots of problems. The primer pumps are common rebuild items and Cat should have them in stock if it's just fuel delivery issue. Also you can't rule out a fuel knock/running on 5 cylinders until you fix that gusher
Yeh, I felt it was a fuel issue and not internal myself.
You’re increasing its scrap value by dropping tools in there :)
Sounded like a valve slapping the top of the piston
Yeah since it had oil pressure we were wondering if someone cracked a piston with ether?
Wow hate to see them scraped unless you got extra $$ ...The root rake is worth saving if any thing
Someone could fab a coupler to rake with excavator
Sounded like it was missing on a cylinder or more. Maybe bleed injectors.
Were are you located
I'd be interested in the root rake if it is not too far and expensive shipping
New subscriber. Please save both!
C&C equipment may want them
some of those linkage parts cant be bought from caterpillar, challenging to find used ones
Depends what its gonna cost to make em reliable !! And !! if you have the work for them !! though thats a bit Chicken n the Egg !!- If youve got them - customers will ask for work to be done.
Dam always saddens me when someone thinks about just cutting machines up makes for great parts for someone then being made into junk stuff. Hope someone can save them. I beat that othere one was brought in bc of overheating look how clogged that radiator was on second machine
What part of the country are they located in if you decide not to buy?
First one is a fuel issue other than that I’d take the chance on it and probably both make one good one and sell the others plush grow your channel
I'm a sucker for old iron I would say save both
I hope I can stumble across a deal like that when I get my land. Buy them🍻🇺🇸 old cats never die
The rads need STEAM Cleaning with Detergent Immediately after getting them Running for efficient Cooling
Definately save the one that runs. On the other one, pull the glow plugs and pour in some Marvel Mystery Oil. Let it sit for a day and try turning it over again.
I’m looking for a radiator for a 977l if you decide to pass on them I’d be interested in buying a radiator
Just save both and have fun fixing it and make money
First Machine is likely a fuel knock. I would fix the fuel system so it has proper fuel pressure then try again.
Could you not hear it slapping around when it was just rolling over!? Go back and take a listen 9:50
remove oil filter and cut it open see if contains any jewelry and youll know straight away,they are worth saving though.
Fix both I love old machines maybe it’s knocking because the fuel isn’t going to all cylinders if you don’t get them I’m interested if they are close enough in Michigan
What would you pay a piece or what do you think they’re worth?
What are they asking for them? What are they worth? Do you have any use for them if you buy and fix them? Probably not worth the time and trouble.
Vote to save the old iron if you can get the money is right. But you might contact Letsdig18 for some information on it and he might like the root rake .
So sad to see these great machines going to scrap, but big cost to Revive 😔
Take the running one since the other was stuck
ITS ONLY THE BANJO UNDER THE INJECTOR PUMP - TO THE REAR OF THE ALTERNATOR THAT WILL BE GUMMED UP
Save both those old iron are worth good money if they run !
The first machine has fuel pump and or Ip trouble. These are indirect injection and are noisy. It has to have GP or either to start. There is no Rod Knock. It's fuel related.
You saw the oil pressure pegged. Bad engine won't do that.
Second machine will never turn because of the open exhaust.
You know what those cylinders look. You just went through that with the Detroit In the
Loader. BTW you ever get that running?
Those machines are classics and well respected.
You could easily sell them running or parts with your social media connections.
We will see about the 977s!!
The Michigan we are working on.. currently we have the engine all assembled but the head, we are waiting on that from the machine shop. You will see it running maybe this month or next!!
Probably an injection nozzle knock. Loosen one injection line at a time. If the knock goes away its an injection nozzle knock. I've had this problem before with the 3306 cat.
underneath the injection pump is a small bowl fuel filter..change it..for gods sake prop the mast up with the safety lock,dont work underneath it without the safety lock on!
Bring them home 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
You have to keep both of them from the crusher, even if you don't keep them, you can show a wider range of people that they're for sale, and I'm sure sommeone'll want them
977s don't crush like cars lol they'll be be cut into pieces with acetylene torches & put into 40 foot scrap dumpsters & taken to the shredder. Been working in scrap for 32 years. Those things would break any crusher ,old but gold built to last.Really hope they can be saved.
@@jjMcCartan9686 Very true, I just used crusher as a figure of speech. I can't see them being overly pleasant to cut up either, though
Try to talk to Clint a C&C equipment in Nashville Ind He has a channel too He’s good
where was this yard?
Is it running too lean?
SAVE THEM !!!!
What's the approximate scrap value of a machine that size??