Italy's Political Chaos: Why the PM Tried to Resign
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After a period of relative stability, Mario Draghi's government looks set to collapse after the Five Star Movement withdrew its support for the coalition. In this video, we discuss how Italy got to this point and what could happen if there's an election.
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CORRECTION: When we finalised this video yesterday evening for release this morning, Prime Minister Mario Draghi had announced his resignation. An hour or so later, it was reported that President Mattarella had in fact refused Draghi's resignation. This doesn't necessarily mean Draghi won't eventually resign, but it does mean that some of the information in this video is outdated. We apologise for the error, but unfortunately, there was no way of re-doing the video to include this information without delaying its release, so we decided to release the video as is with a comment explaining our error. Again, our apologies, and we hope the video was nonetheless both informative and enjoyable.
thank you for adding this i find it quite important
Mario Draghi: I quit!
Mattarella: No.
Mattarella refused the resignation because even without 5 stars, there’s still a majority in Parliament. Draghi tried to because he said that the informal pact that led to the creation of this government was broken by them.
Also Italy's system is not purely proportional and a Right/center-right coalition would EASILY have the majority.
Also here in Italy we don't understand, so that's fine mate
Nothing has collapsed. It's the natural state of Italian politics
Ahahahah so true
Foreigners doesn't comprehend how our superior politics work, a new government every year or less chosen always after a political crisis, eddaje forza magggica
As an Italian, I agree
Unfortunately yes, I just wish we had more stability
A natural disaster? I feel like UK politics is going the same way.
Draghi: "Sorry Sir, I have to resign"
Matarella: "NO" (Grabs Dragh) "You are not leaving me alone with all of these idiots!!!"
Draghi: "But sir..."
Matarella: (Still grabbing Draghi)"You don't understand Mario, I am from Palermo, I've killed people!"
Draghi: "You were a Professor"
Matarella: "I HAD BAD DAYS!!!"
Hahahha, pretty much :D
remember when early this year i wanted my retirement but this fuckers electedd me again and basically force me to help ride the ship well i can't leave so you can't either
You understand how Italian politics work more than many Italians
@@ChristianIce christianairte tu stai ovunque
@@frafrafrafrafra
Oggi mi perdonerai, mi devo sfogare... :)
As an Italian, this is just the Italian government being the Italian government
hailing from South Korea:
Trust me mate, Korean politics are even more fukced up than this, how do you think we were divided for 80 fukcing years?
As a fellow Italian, I can’t object it: Italian politics really suck
Italian *parliament
Tutto cambia affinché nulla cambi.
@@alienelephant4721 well, in your case it was the cold war power destabilising the country by not letting you have your civil war, we Italians did all the work
Draghi: "I want to Resign"
Mattarella: "What about no."
Draghi: Yeah, dude, it's not really up to you :)
@@ChristianIce hey ChristianIce nice to see you here
@@giovannipelissero1886
Cheerz! (well, it's not really the right day for that...)
I resign your resignation
Imagine being so fed up with your uncooperative workplace in which nothing gets done, that you go to your boss and resign, but he says “No, fix it.“
More like "no, you CAN'T leave me with these childish idiots!"
well i guess that would confirm just how uncooperative that workplace is lol
@@whitezombie10 Especially because we have some very Fascistic-like politicians.
I don't thinkk most Italians are too worried. After all, the last count I saw was that there had been 70 or so governments since 1948. I've lived here for 52 years and can't remember if, during that time, there was a government that wasn't a coalition of some sort. Italy carries on and manages to be the 8th developed economy in the world in spite of its politicians, governments or lack of them. Because of their history Italians are very wary about one party government and prefer coalitions. What seems like a cataastrophy in a UK context is business as usual here.
Very good point!
So every year new government 😲
I am Italian and yes, this is pretty common
The 8th economy thing is just living off the past. Italy has barely grown in many years and the demographic shock will hit hard. Italy is gonna come crumbling down and end up closer to 20.
8th developed economy and still have the highest debt to gdp in EU. The Italians have low income tax. That's what's the problem here. If a recession comes Italy is in deep shit.
World: Italy, what is your secret to handling crises?
Italy: I'm always in crisis
Even Roman Emperors had conspiracies and political instability to deal with. It never ends 😂
@@lucadesanctis563 Italy basically been in crisis since 400BC. 😂
In Argentina (where 60% of the population is of italian descent, and many have dual citizenship) there is a saying: "Italians are the argentines of Europe". We too on this side of the Atlantic live in a constant state of crisis. Come to think, it would not suprise me if there was a saying in Italy about Argentines being the Italians of America.
just? Guys Italian politics has been collapsing since 1992
Well it just collapsed for the bilionth time
Since always*
Better than having the same party in power for decades.
See The Years of Lead and Operation Gladio, then get back to me on that one.
The analysis is quite accurate, but I just want to add a couple of points to give more context:
- the problem with Italian stability is the constant struggle for power with and within the various political forces. This has been a problem since the beginning of the Italian republic and no one has been able to reform the sistem, since you would need a political support so vast that it would inevitably be undermined by politicians looking for short term gains. In essence, the country is so ungovernable that it cannot reform itself
- a solution to this in recent years has been the election of technical figures as prime Minister (since you don't need to be directly elected in order to become PM in Italy, you just need the Parliament support). The reasoning is that having a non political figure could help smoothing the different position and reach a compromise. The problem is that 1 sometimes these technicians turn into politicians (see Monti and especially Conte, who was a literal nobody before 2018) 2 even if they are succefull, still they usually don't last long and if Draghi, who arguably was the most respected technical figure on the market, really decides to leave then it would mean that even this kind of solution hasn't been so successful
We need to implement some kind of stability mechanism. Something that prevents these collapses. It's shameful and ridiculous at this point how often this happens. Either by giving more power to the President or by forcing the parliament to go on until the next election, something has to be done to prevent this happening now what...5 times in a row?
Technocrats not Technician
@@mygetawayart either way we need a structural reform, but it won't happen with the current system. What I think could happen (and kinda hope for) is a slow descent towards a sort of semi-presidentialism, with more and more power given to the President of the Republic as the problem solver, with the Parliament and the parties with it losing importance, until we come to a point where the new state of things will be implemented directly into the Constitution
This was a problem at the time of the kingdom too, if I remember correctly they where struggling at creating a coalition government when one of the political forces decided to organise a march and the king thought “oh, yeah, this Mussolini guy definitely deserve the trust to run a minority government”…
@@mygetawayart You can't reform until shit really hits the fan because of the current system.
No biggie, we have a long tradition of governments lasting less than the time to sneeze. We have had 66 governments in 76 years, so they last on average 1.15 years out of the potential 5. Sometimes a prime minister resigns only to be reassigned the position a few days later with another government.
But why tough?
@@prypiatshadow6371
Because serious persons (like Draghi) who care about doing their job in the best way, instead of trying ao appease the electorate with silly promises, won't last in politics for long, they've got better things to do.
@@prypiatshadow6371 Because the Italian constitution doesn't allow for cabinet reshuffling. Each time a party decides to pull out its ministers from a government, they have to start a new government from scratch. So, even if the following one is basically the same except for a couple of ministers, it still counts as a new government.
@@prypiatshadow6371 because the constitution was written to avoid one party having a relative maggiority from having his way ignoring the others. That was a reaction to fascism, which didn't have an absolute magiority, and communist/socialist scare.
@@LucaPasini2 indeed. All this rhetoric about the "77 governments in 80 Years" makes no sense. Up to 1994 they were all Christian Democrats without a real alternative so it was even more stable than today. And many of these governments even today were just PMs just reshuffling their ministers or deciding to put their puppet (like Renzi did with Gentiloni) with the same policies
Italians: can we just have normal politics.
Italian politician : no
Also Italian Politician: “Let me tell you about The years of Lead”
the title should be :"Italy politics just collapsed(Again)"
It has been collapsing after tangentopoli
"Italy Politics Just Collapsed 9: Rise of the PM" now in Cinemas near you!
"Italy Politics Just Collapsed X: Duel of the Parliaments" scheduled for 2023
@@DeadKraken "italy Politics Just Collaped XI: a New Hope"
"Italy Politics Just Collapsed XII: The Parliaments strikes back"
>Swedish Government collapses
>Oligarchs leave Russia
>Boris Johnson resigns
>Draghi resigns
Olaf Scholz "*Chuckles* I'm in Danger"
>"assassinated"
>everyone celebrates
I was initially skeptical about a non-Italian channel covering Italian politics as they are pretty complex and details and nuances are usually not understood abroad. However, I think this summary is very informative and balanced. Bravi!
A better take than most international outlets! Keep it up.
They are pretty good. In many videos about different countries and their political issues people compliment them for their insight.
It is not complex at all.. It is human stupidity and hate for the others at his best
As an Italian I can say that the video is pretty accurate, and very well done.
I'll add only that the League decrease in polls started well before they joined Draghi's governament, so it is probably due to other factors.
Looks like FdI stole support from them.
hero Italy: just not water up and global gaia our water
Italian : maybe because of Salvini's unpopular gaffes :\ like the russian scandal and so on
Me: - Hey, what's new?
News: - Italy's government collapsed!
Me: - I said WHAT IS NEW?
As an Italian, I must say that I hate when this happens. Especially now that we have a really competent pm which is well respected throughout Europe. We are never happy with our government, even when we have stability and good policies. I honestly hope that Draghi won't resign.
I don’t think he’ll be that well respected considering he laid the foundation stone for the upcoming Eurozone crisis during his tenure at the ECB.
Dovresti esserci abituato
I’m a Canadian, now living in Italy as a dual citizen, and Draghi is my first Prime Minister in this country. I can tell you, he’s very well respected in Canada and the United States. In the past, the Prime Ministership of Italy was always seen as an unstable liability in the G7, because of how often it changed hands. Draghi has always been that steady hand in the financial world, so having him as the PM of Italy, brought optimism to a newfound hope for steady cooperation. That hope is now fractured, and it’s disappointing, to say the least.
@@cobbler9113 is this not the same exact man credited as the hero of the euro? I think you may well be clinically insane.
@@cobbler9113
He literally saved the Eurozone.
There are some minor errors in this video:
1. The Lega has change its logo and name before the 2018 election.
2. After the first M5S government the center-left leader (PD) was not Matteo Renzi but Zingaretti.
Great video, good job !!
Less typin and more talking with your hands please Mr. Spaghetti and Meatballs
@@Mynipplesmychoice we do not eat that shit. Spaghetti is a first dish and Meatballs second dish, coupled with vegetables or something. We are not Americans
@@lucadesanctis563 credo che fosse scherzando
@@whitezombie10 don’t care Americans jokes sucks …. Everything that is American sucks
Because he's not a clown, like many surrounding him.
We just lost the best person for the job, and I don't see him changing his mind.
draghi was only placed there for emergency it was obvious that he wouldn't have lasted for long
@@thejaerd4881
Was elected there, not placed.
"Why no good people in politics?"
"Because all the good ones are resigning"
Yeah Italians always get rid of the best
He was not the best, the policies of his government were terrible. There were no policies addressing inequalities and this will affect Italian society and Italian working class people.
You listed the policy disagreements because the League left the first Conte governament, Renzi left the second Conte governament, Di Maio left the Five Stars Movement and Conte left the Draghi governament. But those policy issues: ukraine, economic aids ecc... Were mostly excuses: most of these breaks were for electoral gains or personal disagreements, they didn't really care about the policies.
nor for the italians... and if somebody do they usually try to get them out of the way before they lose electors
Agreed , what they did was to kick the can further down the road , now there is no road only a dead end !
The tragic state of italian society where it cant even distinguish between good and bad thus ending with a political grey mass stuck in an endless stagnation where each attempt to change the overall status quo ends sabotaged by a thousand knifes.
Sometimes i think that the messy political instability of late western roman empire where each emperor lasted a few months ending killed one way or another, never left the italian peninsula. Ever since then "italian" politics has been definided by constant ruthless struggle for power at all costs.
@@Qnexus7 even at the start the romans had political problems
@@whitezombie10 they partially solved them with things like mos maiorum
People don’t drink enough water these days
Btw we had a vote of confidence last week! If this were the UK (which with Johnson is living this right now) the primeminister (and executive as a whole) would have some stability for at least 6 months.
However in Italy this is a monthly occurrence.
I think it is a great example of how small changes can have a big difference. In Germany (constructive vote of confidence) and the UK (cooldowns between votes of confidence) such a scenario would be impossible. In Italy it has been going on for two decades.
Certainly not our only problem. But it is clear our system is too fragile compared to other parliamentary systems, and Italy has practically been headless, because of it, for decades.
Voting is useless, since any compromise in parliament cannot amount to anything permanent.
Yeah, tbh, I'm more in shock that Italy still exists considering how unstable any government is. Probably just the fact that things are so unstable that even those wanting to dismantle the state fall victim to it.....
@@MajinOthinus I think that most citiziens just keep going on despite government at this point, because we are used to this kind of things happening. We are actually hard working and resorceful, so even when the government falls, we still try our best to go on with our lives, because it's not like when this happens life stops. We still have our jobs to do, our families to take care of etc. I mean, we compain a lot, i admit, but still it happens so much that we are sort of desentisized to it.
@@MajinOthinus It's easy to answer that: we italians are so used to this that we learned how to keep going easily by just using our talent and the strenght\quality of our work and trades.
Plus pretty much all the biggest decisions ever taken in italian history after WW2, were approved by popular referendums and therefore are now untouchable. Referendums regulate a lot of stuff, like yes to public health, no privatization of water, yes to abortion, yes to divorce, yes to contraceptives, no to nuclear energy etc...(many people are now asking for referendums on euthanasia, gay rights etc.. for this exact reason), and governments can't touch them.
Plus our country is old and structured to keep it together by the convenience of services and economic trades, so aside for a small number of ugly racist shits in the nord, no one cares to start internal civil wars on regional independence, culture or to keep some orange hoe in power. No one of our neighboring countries is willing to invade or start shit over territory(we also have a very good professional army btw).
So it more or less works lol
TLDR: "ITALY'S POLITICS COLAPSED!"
Italians: "Ah shit, here we go again..."
But seriously, Draghi was the first one in a long time to get the country up and running again.
"get the country up and running" how? with next generation EU funds that others before him provided?
@@Qnexus7 By eliminating the constant and insufferable idiosyncratic squabbling and backstabbing. You know, the politics. For a few short years the parliament didn't resemble a bloody kindergarden made up entirely of moronic narcissists.
@@mnk9073 oh so that's what it was. By eliminating politics, he solved politics. Solid logic.
Look you had first conte's government, why did lega demolish it?
Then you had the second which seemed to work decently enough, brought back even a nice sum from EU for recovery, why did the renzie demolish it exactly?
It looks to me that there are too many shitty guys in italian politics and the society doesn't seem able to orient, demand and vote such as to get rid of them, ending up with a grey mass where theres no dpossible distinction between good and bad, thus endless stagnation. Nice country, nice society, nice politics.
@@Qnexus7 Mistrust of the political establishment, economic crisis and constant instability have turned a country which already had a lack of solid ideologies and political education into a system that is incapable of supporting a democracy of any kind. People trust politicians so little they literally jump onto a different populist bandwagon every few months with little to no regard for coherence, responsibility or even logic, let alone a vision for the future. Anybody who can shout their nonsense louder than everyone else is the new leader in the polls and trusted to fix everything that is wrong with Italy. It's easy to see why in this political environment truth, respect and reality are way less important than impossible promises and simple communication, so the quality of information and debates has dropped significantly. It is now not uncommon for me to feel like it has become irrelevant or even harmful to watch the news, as they've s gotten so bad and diluted they never manage to say anything meaningful.
We are now left to decide whether to vote for proto-fascist right wing parties who hide behind populism to serve the interests of the richest companies and banks, or a (pretending to be) left wing party which lives off the fear for a right wing government and never does anything, besides of course serving the interests of the richest and the banks anyway. Whatever you choose to vote you can remain assured you're getting poorer, less educated and aware of the world and perhaps even left with less abortion rights if the right wins. Whenever politicians aren't outright evil or idiots, they are afraid or blocked from doing anything useful for the country because by that time the people would then support the next populist party on the opposition because we are absolute idiots and deserve nothing good.
running... lol
I love how the outside world perceive this as a traumatic event while we had this shit going on since the start of democracy
Days without falling gov: 0
Thanks for spending the time to create and share this content
An Italian government statistically lasts about one year and a half. I’m sick with the way politicians behave, I’m Italian. We need political stability, we need real and effective future plans.
L'unico problema è che non abbiamo politici decenti
@@whitezombie10 esatto. serve una persona che abbia carisma e soprattutto che faccia gli interessi della gente invece di disprezzarla , perché parlare continuamente e negativamente di "populismo" significa disprezzare il popolo. E fare l'interesse delle banche e della finanza. E questo vale per buona parte dell'europa non solo per l'italia.
@@roadrelics8162 a volte vorrei che la monarchia avesse vinto il referendum...
@@whitezombie10 royals are still powerless in modern societies
@@roadrelics8162 è esattamente ciò che direbbe un fascista
I like the timeliness of your reporting and analysis.
I just want to thank you. As an italian its often too chaotic trying to understand my own country's machinations. So this was very informative, although not very surprising. I'm sure you got other comments from fellow Italians testifying this is sadly a daily routine we've gotten used to.
It could be worse. How could it be worse you ask? Remember The Years of Lead?
Italy might be one of the big players of the EU like France or Germany but its government has been consistently unstable for decades
Citizens are responsible for whoever they vote for. It's not just politicians
nobody voted him, and Italy is still the 3rd economy in the eurozone
@@lucadesanctis563 peccato che non c'è nessuno decente per cui votare
@@commenter4190 and who voted for the members of Parliament who are now in power?
@@diegoyuiop trust me, in italy, when you vote is like when you throw a crazy ball... I voted the last time 5 stelle (i know it was a dumb choice but at the time they promise new face, a fresh wind and a strong economic reform) but now we came at this point without we can choice nothing.... From the 2018, how can we knew it?
Long ago we reached the point where breaking news were Italian governments having a 24h continuous streak without drama 😒
Years ago I heard a quote from an Italian diplomat to a British representative. Durin Treasa Mays Brexit difficulties
'Currently the UK is difficult to govern .. but here in Italy ? Its a waste of time'
Watched the Italy video from like half a year ago so that answered a question I has today
Hi everyone. Draghi is staying: when he presented his resignation Mattarella was like “Interesting… What about NO?”. Fortunately…
Giuseppe Conte attempted the same thing that Matteo Renzi did to him mid pandemic. It was an irresponsible move, no matter what he wanted to do.
I had a high opinion about Conte when he had to deal with the pandemic, but now he’s just a pain in the ass.
I don't think so.
If he wanted to stay he would have exclude some of the issues from the plan.
I bet he will confirm the resignation in front of the parliament and let the kids playing alone.
@@ChristianIce as I said, Mattarella won’t permit it. It does not look like it, but Mattarella is quite good at persuading people that don’t want to be where they are to stay, while avoiding a right wing reactionary government to be formed.
Draghi will have some things to sort out, but he’ll eventually keep on going.
I hope so, or I’m screwed
@@alessandrobenvenuti6551
That's not how it works.
Mattarella cannot force a person to do something he doesn't want.
EDIT: I share your hopes I just don't see him doing it.
@@ChristianIce yeah, I know he can’t force, he can convince him and others to collaborate. That’s what I intended.
It would not be the first time
@@ChristianIce I think we'll see M5S fission again, and there's going to be a Draghi 2 comprised of everyone except M5S and FdI. There's a decently sized chunk of the 5S who were not at all on board with this plan.
I really hoped this governament lasted longer. It was really promising.
Btw I don't think polls are much accurate. If we have new elections the 5 star movement Will struggle to reach 5% in My opinion.
It had to last till March 2023, the period of the next general elections
Personalmente penso che possano arrivare anche al 10%, comunque un tracollo rispetto alle scorse elezioni.
@@frafrafrafrafra ormai non mi importa più chi viene eletto, sono tutti terribili
@@christiansollami5751 it's likely we'll have an election in the fall
hear, hear.
The Italian government is chaotic and in shambles?
*Shocked Pikachu face
Excellent, clear and coincise video.
I’m no expert of Italian politics but my previous boss was (a prominent Italian researcher in Japan). If he thought that the 5 Star movement were bad news when we met in 2018 then their collapse into infighting and unpreparedness for the pandemic shouldn’t be surprising. Even back then they were anti-science populists that were actively opposed to large infrastructure projects, such as railways crucial for development of regions economically struggling. Whatever comes next from this power vacuum couldn’t possibly be worse.
Ohh you are so optimist.
you just need to know that the highest pooling party right now is the extreme right wing party of Giorgia Meloni “Brothers of Italy” which is just as incompetent as the 5Star but way more fascist!
Dark times ahead of this country.
Don’t underestimate us
Why would they be against infrastructure? It’s bad we here in the US are
@@Wayouts123 they are against the TAV (high velocity speed train), explained quickly: almost 20 years of usless work, some home terrorist attack, millions of euros wasted and people still arguing if it may be worth. it's like to the berlin airport but unfinished
Actually Italy's response to covid under M5S and PD was applauded by the rest of Europe.
And The universal basic income introduced by M5S has been helping a lot of poor families, while keeping them away from underpaid jobs.
While surely having a populist vein, 5 Stars are not a simple populist party like the Italian rightwings are.
About the railway you're mentioning, the region isn't economically struggling at all (surely not like the South), and the people living in that region have been opposing that project for decades. Your previous boss simply has his own opinion of the situation, opinions that are pretty aligned to the old political culture of Berlusconi's party, then inherited by Renzi.
1:18 - the phrase "hung parliament" is effectively useless for any country with proportional representation and only makes sense in a British or other First Past the Post systems.
If you have a proportional system and the parliament isn't hung, I'd be quite surprised. Not that it's impossible, but it happens extremely rarely
More it’s the norm no party have a majority and coalitions are made as a general rule. And the UK understanding isn’t related
Damn, Bri'ish "people" don't know that we WANT to hang our parlimentarians. Smh my head.
I would argue against that. Hung parlaments means no coalition or party has a majority which means that it is uncertan which the next goverment will be. There is no hung parlament if a pre election elliance (of 2 or more parties) get a majority
I mean I look at Italy and Israel, see the utter disfunctional chaos they seem to be perpetually in, and I wonder if it _realy_ is the best method of representation.
@@ahmedsaleh9509 I would say a hung parliament always mean no part have majority
It's time for Tifa to step in and show what _unity_ looks like.
Tifa won't lead the government, stop with this simping!
She has my vote
@@lucadesanctis563 ma se non sa niente di politica. Vuoi fare battutine sessuali tutto il giorno o salvare il paese?
@@whitezombie10 porcodio é una battuta. Ridi
Great video!
Almost every Italian also fall into this recurrent misconception (endlessly feeded from the media outlets). In Italy we vote for the *parliament* which is our true democratic rapresentation. Governments can vary until a new majority can form (parliamentary democracy).
Real problem here is to throw out of the window Draghi, one of the most internationally admired leader we have from ages in the middle of a huge struggle to work out the Nex Generation EU. The saddest thing is that Conte did his move just for the sake of bringing back to life an already dead, slashed in 2 "movement" which Italian vast majority ignore or explicitly despise, like literally every ex-militant of 5 Stars I know. They are DEAD and not coming back because they don't have ANY support from people outside some tired web commenter.
Also resigning from Draghi imo although being legit was a strong tactical move to regain stability for his govern. Despite harsh Draghi's declarations Mattarella won't let him leave the boat until it's actually sinking or without finding another solution so, just chill and enjoy the show 😆
Yes, exactly. I agree on all that you just said. Especially on Mattarella's decision. I think that Draghi will insist on leaving, but Mattarella will most probably make him stay until it's due time. As for the 5 stars movement, they ended up imploding on themselves literally five minutes after they were created, so it does not surprise me that no one votes for them anymore. They talked a big game, but when it came time to deliver they failed miserably. Turncoats, all of them. Sorry for the rant.
for those of you who don't know, the five star party is under the russian influence. Giuseppe Conte has his office in the same building as "russian cultural center" in Rome
M5S and Lega's polling were falling well before their entrance into the Draghi government. I don't believe their respective polling numbers are indicative of joining the coalition but more of broader discontent with their ability to lead. Also the Democratic Party has continued to recover all while being in government so it does not seem that being in coalition is as toxic as you implied. I agree with Brothers gaining from being the only opposition but not that the coalition sank Lega and M5S. Their problems happen much earlier.
Great video!
I was totally expecting the thumbnail text to end with "yet again"
Yay. PR. This channel always espouses its perfectionism.
Honestly, I don't think that the ordinary Italian cares about the "stability" of their ruling coalitions. It's been this way in Italy for almost 70 years, and If the average Italian cared about stability, I think they would have changed their system into one that prioritizes stability. If you want an example of a people who actually care deeply about stability, consider the Japanese who have been ruled by the same party most of the time since 1955.
Italy was ruled by the same party until 1994 and just like Japan PM changed very often, but with little difference in government
I mean Japan was used to be ruled by the same party (well technically) since 1870 till 1945 even if the parliament ended up liberal at one point, and the rulers were from the exact same cast as the previous ones xept they followed someone else
Italian politics is like Game of Thrones 🙂
Xept the lore age of the characters are far younger than Italian politician lol
Except less bloody and incredibly less fun.
Very good video!
As a remark: with our current electoral law, which favourites coalitions, the right-wing (even far right wing) coalition is going to benefit a lot from this since they are confortably above 40%. Which is huge for italian standards. So with a vote we will most certainly have a right wing government
Non si era mica spezzata la coalizione di destra?
Ogni volta che c'è da votare si rimettono insieme, poi con il taglio dei parlamentari di due anni fa il premio di maggioranza è troppo sostanzioso per lasciarlo scappare
@@andreabegnoni3944 i nostri politici sono ancora più bambini di quanto pensassi... quando serve vincere le elezioni si uniscono ma poi riprendeno a litigare come dei bambini finché il governo non cade
@@andreabegnoni3944 last time I checked Matteo Salvini and Giorgia Meloni *Hated* each other, but a lot can happen, and it usually does.
@@sawtooth808 they'll join forces in a coalition following the elections cause they know they would be irrelevant by standing alone.
Johnson,Draghi,the president of Sri Lanka,who is next?We live some really big changes in politics and world affairs.I hope that you will make a TLDR News Asia,I know that you post news about Asia,but it would be great to have a chanel about this continet too.Keep up the great work guys!
Dude Italian governments collapse like, a lot. I have some Italian friends and it's actually pretty much a rarity if a government lasts for the expected amount of time (that's because you don't vote the "winner", but you vote who sits on the benches, which means that different parties can form different coalitions, leading to governments "falling", just to be recreated with just some minors changes in ministers)
@@georgewright4285 fun fact: it NEVER lasted until the end of the legislation...
@@giorgioguercio3331 well I am not Italian... That's a fucking record though, Italy has been democratic since 1945? How have you managed?
@@georgewright4285 Our country functions in a quantum superposition of all parties being simultaneously in power and in the opposition.
We've had 70 governments since 1946.
Yes, that makes it an average of more than one a year. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@georgewright4285 that's one of the reasons why the Italian economy is struggling in recent years... At this point, we are used
They did not introduce universal basic income, they introduced a basic income for certain unemployed people looking for jobs, which is taken away once they find said job
Just another day in Rome. And we Americans think our government is fucked up, we got nothing on Italy.
As an Italian who's an American politics enthusiast: well yes, but actually no(?) I mean, once you know the game it's only the names that change in Italy, otherwise things are pretty stagnant (politically speaking)
What Conte has done now to Draghi is what Renzi did to Conte during the pandemic and going back it's what Salvini did during Conte's 1mandate (the year prior to the pandemic if i well remember) and so on, it goes on like this once every year and half. It's not really a shock to Italians, we're used to this, life goes on normally, most of people just stop to ask if they have to vote again or if they're (politicians) gonna resolve it among themselves.
On the other hand, USA has shocking news dayly (i have to be honest: trump news were my guilty pleasure but even now with all the big issues going on in your country your politics are really interesting to listen to)
This video is pretty accurate. I like it (I'm italian). I really like the definition of the five-star movement at 1:34, which is shockingly accurate
The only inaccuracy is at 4:20 Ciampi is actually pronounced as "Champee". But apart from this is very good.
As for the current political situation in Italy I'm not too worried. Italy's government almost always collapse ahead of time, so this is kind of the usual business. The thing that worries me the most is FdI's increasing consense.
Great video, but, as others have pointed out, the Italian electoral system strongly favours coalitions. Given that the Centre-Right Coalition is solidly above 40%, they are likely to win a good majority, especially since the old potential centre-left coalition (PD+M5S) has been absolutely wrecked, and smaller centrist and leftist forces (the Azione and +Europa Alliance and the SI and Greens alliance respectively) are not keen on working with each other.
As a young Italian, I hate the continuous collapsing of every government after just 1/2 years max.
It doesn’t make me want to live in Italy anymore, it’s frustrating and there is no sign of hope.
Lots of Italians don’t even vote anymore, as every government loses its stability in its early life, causing it to focus more on these internal problems than on the country’s actual problems.
No one can be taken seriously and in my opinion Draghi is the most mature leader Italy has had in the last few years, I hope he doesn’t end up resigning.
Let s go my brother, we in Romania have exactly the same problem governments AT MOST last 2 years. In 33 years since we ve been a republic we ve had 25 prime ministers. Ppl trust politicians so little the last parliamentary elections had a 33% voter turnout
Do you think you would be happier in the UK, no better here. We are lead by the least of us. Cheers
@@willtricks9432 UK started its downfall in the last 5 to 7 yrs maybe? Italy has been in political chaos since.. The fall of Roman Empire. Nah just jk, there were conspiracies and political instability even back then
@@lucadesanctis563 Uk started to slip in 1979 when the right wing starting to sell the country off to any money maker.
You don't want to be in a country that has the "stability" of a single party for decades like Mexico. Or a state that only has two parties to keep stability like the US. I'm trying my luck in Canada right now so we'll see...
This says a lot about the future of Malaysian politics
It is unstable type of system, but much better than one-party states.
I would, without thinking, choose unstable broad coalitions; rather than hegemony of one party (and therefore one person) that we currently have in Serbia.
Could you make video about government collapse in estonia?
8:41 I whole heartedly disagree. It looks like a coalition between League and Brothers of Italy, with or without the possible support of the more moderate Forza Italia, would comfortably have the majority in Parliament. Italy's election system is not purely proportional but a mix between proportional and first-past-the-post single seat elections.
The center-right runs together at elections but falls apart suddenly after that due to ideological incompatibilities. It happed in 2018 and will happen the next election too. In 2018 the first explorative mandate to form a government was given to them but they weren't able to agree with each other and instead Lega ended up forming the first Conte government. That's because on an ideological base m5s and Lega are much more aligned than the other members of the center-right.
@@tommasongr that's wrong, they didn't hold any majority in parliament on their own. The explorative mandate to M.E. Casellati was merely to gain time. It had no mathematical chance of succeeding without M5S which was vetoed by Meloni and Berlusconi. Salvini and Meloni were smart to manouver one inside and one outside of the government so that their total consensus actually blew through the roof.
@@StarryNightGazing if they really wanted they would have formed a government bringing someone else on board. Anyway we won't have to wait much to see who is right I guess...
@@tommasongr someone else beside M5S? So PD or LEU?
They can, but they will not be able to have a net majority. I guess, a PD-PDL-M5S-smallcentristparties is still on the table, and would still have the most chances of surviving.
Italy needs elections every 4 years not 5.
And full proportional representation !!!
Every month*
Good job at summing up years of utter craziness in just a few minutes 😅
3:08 - PD is not led by Matteo Renzi which splitted from it in 2019 and founding Italia Viva. The leader (national secretary) is Enrico Letta, former PM before Renzi
I don't know, I think that in the case of an election a government made out of the Center-Right coalition could work, especially since it already includes the brothers of Italy
we don't have a center right in italy, as well as we miss a center left. We only have idiot populist unable even to poop in toilet, that's why they just give approval to technocrat while they do the only thing they can do, propaganda, talk show, propaganda, a bit more propaganda and propaganda
yeah the issue is that probably cdx would come up short with like 47% of the seats so the problem would be to find someone willing to form a coalition and that does not thret to pull support at every issue
Yeah, they could get the numbers and give Italy what it needs: blaming the EU, blaming the immigrants, blaming gays and trangenders for whatever is not working.
Che culo :D
The right doesn't want to form a coalition. They want to go to the polls. If they right could've formed a coalition they would have done it 4 years ago.
@@davidegiolitti7392 I think you can be slightly short of a majority in an election (even in a representative system) and still get a majority in parliament, because parties that get less than 3% of the vote don't get any seats which in turn slightly boosts the numbers of the remaining parties
5:42 "Significant minority in favour of military aid to Ukraine and the rest of the party disagreeing". Don't you mean the majority are against supporting military aid to Ukraine? And the elephant in the room - High oil, gas and electricity prices, high inflation, economic recession of the population.
And calling 5-star Putin puppets because they don't tow the establishment line of being hostile to Russia. Try reporting the real news and not parroting the narrative.
Right? Then he says "And the rest ..." You mean the majority?
Problem solving is always at the heart of policy?
It rather seems that problem making is!
- "What did this experience in politics teach you?"
- "That nothing can be done"
- Franco Battiato
Can your editor please rewatch your videos at least a couple times before uploading them?
For some reason, i've noticed lots of graphical errors or script misreadings in a lot of your videos...
This is not to criticize you, though! most of the vids are very well done ^^
this must be so confusing for non-italians (and it even is for us honestly)
You can not lose what you never had.
You can not go to where you already are.
You can not destroy a ruin.
Pheeew Italian politics looks insane! I kinda wanna do some deep diving but not sure if I have the time for that madness haha.
Just don't.
I am fucking astonished by how we italians can humiliate ourselfs
Italy's government has already held 12 months, then it will be time for a political crisis.
In Germany there is a 5% hurdle, which means that even the smallest of parties do not get into government. This has helped build stability in coalitions. Only the SSW party is exempt and has one MP.
The effectively of electoral thresholds is probably the biggest myth in history.
Sounds interesting, but can you maybe tell me why the SSW is exempt from this rule? It sounds very strange
These issues have very little to do with a lack of a hurdle. If I had to put it down to any one thing it's that the italian government has very little power. Like absurdly little. I personally don't think a government should have all that much power but it does need to get stuff done. In Italy that is rather difficult. Not only that but the government can be removed with ease. That is the main issue here.
Italy has a 3% hurdle but SVP is excluded
From an Italian, I approve of this video and I think it covers the situation really well :D. Ironically, the parties that have come out on top right now are FdI and PD, the two outsider parties that most support the Premier Draghi, while M5S and Lega have gone down, the two parties that form the government and that are most against the Premier Draghi. Draghi is very very popular among Italians, and apparently the majority don't like this out of the blue crisis that Conte has put forth. I feel for Conte, he was a really good premier before Draghi, and suffered Renzi's move to withdraw the support of the government for I don't even know why, but now he's doing the same thing to this government who has been the best since ever, and in a time like this, many see him as irresponsible and selfish, thinking more about "his" party than the international threats and needs of Italy as a whole. I say "his" because basically already a third of PM's went with DiMaio, and now there is another group who threatens to leave because of this crisis. Unfortunately, the M5S is a party with many different people in it, and Conte is choosing to promote the extreme anti-establishment PM's :C. Btw, if we go vote right now the polls say that the Right will win, which makes even less sense for the crisis since M5S is a left wing party, and would basically implode if were to be elections right now...
Economically left wing nationalists? That just sounds like a nice way to say fascism
God i wish any kind of strong government took power and remained
Draghi has only one task: securing EU funds for Italy. After that he will be gone.
Italy wouldn't be Italy without political chaos, it's been like that for countless decades as far as I can remember, but they seem to muddle through.
The problem is, this political instability isn't doing Italy any favours, especially as Italy is lagging behind other modern countries and I feel Italians need to stop blaming other things like the Euro for the problems back home when it's clear the real issue is political instability and I feel with so many parties pulling in all directions, there isn't really a clear choice on what Italians can pick to solve many of these issues.
8:22 ‘moderate’ or establishment also
From a conversation I had yesterday with a non- Italian friend:
- NON-ITALIAN FRIEND: What are your thoughts on the current crisis?
- ME: That, at a time when Russia is dropping rockets on Ukraine like candy, when we face droughts in the hottest summer of the last 20 years, with a budget session looming over the horizon and the PNRR (i.e. NextGenerationEu funds) still hanging on the approval of critical laws, and with more than one hundred thousand COVID cases per day, it is quite fitting that our politics should implode over a waste-to-energy plant being built in Rome. In a nutshell, just another ordinary day in Italian politics.
- NON-ITALIAN FRIEND: To me it's inconceivable. How do you cope with it?
- ME: Easy enough. I pretend not lo live in this country. And I take lots of drugs.
EDIT: Also, opening a political crisis in the middle of summer, i.e. when Italy basically shuts off, means that the Five Star Movement hopes to exit government without the public noticing and, thus, not putting the blame on them. In other words, they are hoping to get away with murder.
EDIT 2: I'm not saying that they lack gravitas and statesmanship. I'm saying that Italian politicians would not know the meaning of the term even if they looked it up in the dictionary.
You really need to take drugs and pretend you aren't Italian? I don't find these falls of governments so stressful
@@whitezombie10 I am Italian, I am proud to be Italian. I just don't pretend to live in Italy, for 9 out of 10 the government does not act in accord with my preferences.
And yes. Since the present crisis jeopardizes 22 billions from the PNRR, 10 from the last decree, and 17 from the market crush that happened yesterday, I kinda find it somewhat stressful
No problem has ever been properly solved without the people getting involved. If the bury their heads the country will be buried...
@@FernandoMendoza-dw8nz aside from voting in elections and referenda, there's very little we can do. I have tried to sway people for better politics for the past 10 years. So far, it got me nowhere.
Yeah I'm from Italy, our government collapses like once a year almost. No big deal
Draghi has become my most respected Italian for his contribution to Italian politics, can't imagine having to deal with this spectacular pile of shit.
absolutely NOT! He was imposed as a leader and proved he was not up to the task!
the pile is draghi of course
@@commenter4190 Study Italian constitution!
And Draghi did very well given the poor conditions he had to work it, namely Italian politicians
@@roadrelics8162 it's the Italian politicians and their voters
"Idiologically confusing party..." Yep, that sounds about right. "Idiologically confused" would fit as well.
Waiting for this to happen for last 5 years
0:34
leans in to the microphone.
"is this a vaush reference"
Just give Piero Angela full power!
hmm usually when a mixed governments fights that much about policy, there is a corruption problem. It's not the fact that there are different parties with different genuine ideas, as that would be great. As genuine people tend to be proactive.. more often than not.
jeez.
If you are the largest party, and you are the kingmaker, and you have been around for about 15 years now, I don’t think you get to claim that you are the antiestablishment choice.
Italy has more members of parliament and senators than the United States at the federal level and yet Italy has fewer people.
"The Moor has done his job, he may go now."
- I am quitting
- No you don't
What could happen after all of this are these options:
1) 5 stars movement stops being childish and the same government continues with Draghi as Prime Minister
2) 5 stars movement leaves the government and Draghi continues as Prime Minister with a new government with the same parties
3) Draghi leaves and a new government can be formed with a new Prime Minister
4) Draghi leaves and a new government can't be formed and new elections are scheduled for September/earlt October
The last option is absolutely terrible because since September a new minority government must be formed and then you need to form a new coalition government which may take weeks or even months and Italy must prepare all the necessary reforms for the funds of the Next Generation EU that comes every 4/6 months and all of the extra spending being done since the beginning of the Ukraine war (about 40 billions euro) has passed and is reasonable because these funds must fuel the economy. If those do not come Italy will have to increase its debt and right now the spread with the german bonds are high as they were in 2014. I really hope this does not happen.
4...
How unusual. Italian government collapse almost never happens!
/s
To put it simply, those who try to perform sensible politics in Italy are constantly being attacked.
This is just par for the course in Italy.
people act like this is a big deal, it really isnt. This is how it has been for a while now. It sucks, but its just a continuation of the status quo.
Are you Italian?
It's a big deal because the time the crisis arrived, the global current events and because the crisis has been provoked by a party pretty close to Russia's positions. If I may add the other Russia's close party Lega, even if is not the direct crisis maker, is particularly silent right now...
A “crunch vote”. I’m not familiar with this term. Is it anything like what we Canadians would call a ‘confidence vote’, where the parties ‘whip’ their members And failure to pass the vote brings the government down?
yes, "Voto di Fiducia" in Italian
Yes it's that, it's widely used by most Italian Governments. And it's the reason for most of the crisis in our history. Draghi used it 45 times, more than 3 times every month. Is it also used that often in Canada as well?
@@maurobianchin8862 It varies. When one party has a majority, then it's sometimes not as necessary. But when the governing party (we almost never do coalitions in Canada, even when there's a "minority government"/"hung parliament*) doesn't have a majority, or if they're facing some kind of a caucus revolt, then they may use it more frequently. The one consistent thing is that budgets, and other money bills, are essentially *always* votes of confidence in the government in Canada.
* Instead of coalition governments, when no party has a majority the governing party (which is usually, but not always, the party with the most seats) will govern by looking to different opposition parties to help them pass different pieces of legislation. Occasionally a "Confidence and Supply" agreement will be struck between the governing party and a single opposition party, where that party agrees to support the government on any confidence vote, but is free to vote against the government on any other issue without the government falling.
Doesn't the Italian election system work by formal coalitions of right and left uniting together, and maybe a centre coalition too? And whichever coalition gets most votes can from govt?
I lost all my friends and family too 😭
Nope. I'm not first.
Can confirm 👌 You are not first.