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Got to love when conservatives try to bend 1984 into a criticism of the left and at the same time having no clue Orwell already wrote a book that actually was criticizing the left called Animal Farm. Just proves they don't actually read anything or know anything about Orwell
remember when o’Brien yelled “YOU’RE CANCELLED!!” to Winston’s face at the climax of the book and then proceeded to ignore him with all his friends, leading to Winston being officially Oppressed™️? That really says a lot about society.
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of philosophy's oldest quests; the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John K. Galbraith
This is a human condition and not a political ideaology. I have no idea who John K. Galbraith? is but he is clearly bias and misinformed on the human condition.
@@007Hutchings he was a Canadian-American economist, diplomat and general intellectual who was one of the key thinkers of American liberal politics in the 20th century
What the modern conservative doesn't know is that this superior justification for selfishness does not exist, nor can it ever exist. In essence, they are looking for a needle in a haystack when the needle never existed in the first place.
I think Ayn Rand pretty much finished quest though. She's got a whole philosophy based around not just your right to be a selfish asshole, but your duty.
@Michael D I have not only gotten PragerU videos in my recommended every other day. Several other right-wing channels' videos that I'm not interested in have been recommended to me almost every single day. Even my ads have gotten screwed up. You guys aren't getting censored.
@@gav1233 are you clicking on prager? Have you ever? Algorithms often follow what you click. If it makes you feel better I get many corporate-owned, agenda- driven left-wing video suggestions also
i love that 1984 has become the catch-all term for any dystopian fiction that isn't YA or cyberpunk. dude talks about "book burning" and the very obvious comparison would be Fahrenheit 451, but instead he does his Jedi Mind Trick hand gesture and says, "1984."
I will still never be able to get over when Dave Rubin said the fellowship of the ring was about how Frodo didn't need help from others and relied on his own rugged individual nice to get the ring to Mordor. I mean for fuck sake the title of the book is "The Fellowship Of The Ring" and he uses that book as if it's somehow and example rugged individualism. Seriously Dave Rubin needs to teach a master class on how to misunderstand things. I also hate that whole thing he does where he acts like he's thinking up a point pause is what he saying swallows pause again shakes his head and then starts talking like he didn't know exactly what he was going to say or something it's just so fucking pretentious I hate it.
@@easonkamander7348 Yeah but to be fair it took me Like a long time to figure out why they couldn’t use the Eagles. Would be more fitting for him to be one of the guys to say “it’s because manwe was too powerful and had too much pride to concern himself with the ring”. But still like I am totally picking up what you’re laying down.
Whoa, seriously? Lmao!! Even if it wasn’t the Fellowship of the Ring, did he just completely forget about Sam?? The fact that their relationship was literally based on Tolkien’s time in trench warfare and how comradery kept him alive? That’s like literally going out of your way to misunderstand the message of the narrative. It’s not even meta text, it’s literally in the text. Omg I can’t even 😂😂🤣
@@someonerandom8552 precisely... I’m getting to a point where I’m pretty sure Dave Rubin doesn’t know how to read. Like he’s just making things up but he doesn’t know what he’s making them up for or about.
He was also a fan of Winston Churchill. Saying socialism then is the same as socialism now is like saying the Democrats of yestercentury were the same as now.
@@maxieprimo2758 You're not implying that socialism in Orwell's day was basically the same as the Tories, are you? Because that would be weird and extremely wrong.
I was listening to the video in the car and when I heard Michael’s point about double think I literally had to pull over cause I needed to collect myself
Just finished 1984 for my senior English class and had been so excited to watch this video. The way you end by threading them through and ever credibly applying the concept of Doublethink (without actually naming it!) to their own pseudo-intellectual conversation brought a smile to my face. Keep up the good work! My favorite channel on TH-cam
Here's some math using Dave's Flat Tax in case you're interested Anyone less than $50k gets a free ride, everyone else pays 18% So if you make $55k a year, you'd pay $9,900 in income tax. So the take home pay for someone making $55k suddenly turns into $45,100 after tax. I can already see all the CEOs lowering their own salaries to $49k a year just to avoid income tax, even though most of their assets don't even come from income. Great plan Dave
It's called a progressive tax and theres an easy fix. You're only taxed 18% for income above 50k. So you would never earn less. And it is in fact used in the country I live in
Lol I don't get the salt right types. They literally had it all not too long ago. The presidency, the house, and the senate. You guys are winning big and still act like victims getting stomped on by boogie men who obviously don't exist. They are never happy and you can't win with these stupid angry confused fuck ups. They are unintentionally hilarious though. So that's a positive lololol.
@@davidjuliesmiththomas7983 History is a long story of conservatives being wrong about basically everything. Not once has conservatism been on the right side of history.
My favorite part is conservatives somehow having reverence for the mathematics that makes 2+2=4, but discard that reverence as soon as it comes to mathematical models of climate change. Also apparently trans people existing is a mathematical impossibility. Like, hey trans people, you are somehow breaking the laws of the universe by existing.
People calling Dave Rubin and idiot and not entertaining his ideas is not censorship, it's exercising free speech. Just because someone is held accountable for what they say or ideals they espouse doesn't mean we suddenly turned into the party from 1984.
Exactly. Their talk about cancel culture and being snarked at on the internet for their views (which, hello, should not be surprising for the internet) applies just the same to the liberal mindsets they fervently oppose! Like, they're upset that they can't have a different opinion, but come after the left for... having... different opinions from theirs. As you said, that's the nature of discussion. Not everyone will agree, and that's ok because everyone should be free to voice their concerns. That's where facts and solid points come in and, eventually, compromise and courses of action. Saying the left = the oppressive power in 1984 without considering or posing actual points is lazy and doesn't accomplish anything. Not to mention the textual evidence from the book counters everything they're saying
Before I even start the video, I'm a big Orwell Stan, this Prager U video sounds like the best way for me to cringe inside out. I'm expecting many MANY misinterpretations. Come on lads, don't let me down! You know what, I'm gonna just edit this comment with timestamps and my reactions. 1:26; fuckin nope. Dave that wasn't what Minitrue was. Minitrue destroyed evidence of times they did wrong and constantly changed the past. Minitrue wasn't being called a bigot on twitter. 1:46; "if there is hope, it lies with the proles". You're just the party, Dave, who is scared of the proles. Doesn't work like that. Doesn't bubble up from the bottom 3:53; nope. Your bullshit claim of reverse racism is itself doublethink. Doublethink was the idea that you can think one thing and its opposite at the same time, and forget that opposite only to draw it back again when it's needed. Not "aren't anti racists racist against white people?". A more realistic analogy is probably Dave Rubin thinking he's pro gay rights and yet coming out against the modern gay rights movement. 4:38; nope. 2+2=5 came from the government, not the proles. 2+2=5 would be the party lying and forcing the public to believe something. Like for instance Trump saying that the election was rigged and causing a riot at the Capitol because they so eagerly believed it.
It left your body, entered mine and then yanked my soul out as well. With that „yanked“ being more of an exchange of bewildered glances before we both ascended into… wherever we‘re going
There's absolutely no way these people actually believe what they're saying; they just know that dumb people will lap it up and they'll make a bunch of money because of it. Yeah, the people in 1984 needed the guy who teargassed a bunch of middle-aged women who were peacefully protesting for the sole purpose of taking a picture of himself holding a bible that wasn't his in front a church he didn't attend and led a fascist march on the capital to overturn a democratic election. It's legitimately scary how dumb a lot of people are.
Yes, it's those 0.011% of percent of socially-excluded people who have no major political/economic influence and who are harassed constantly. It's them who have oppressed the majority! Let's settle this and take their rights and power away that they don't have!
His supporters see him as someone who ignores social rules put in place and therefore see him as someone who would go against the social rules put in place in 1984. Ironic, though, because those against him see him as someone who would be in support of the 1894 government
@@shadowcween7890 It's staggering to me that people don't see the parallels between Trump and Big Brother. Or that Trumps rallies so closely reflect the Two-Minute Hate. Or that Trump could proclaim that 2+2=5 and the Party would affirm it.
@@HunchbackJack They wouldn’t affirm it in a literal way. They’d say he’s “wittily commenting on the subjectivity of truth when presented by the mainstream media” or something like that; when he was in office, a lot of right-wing pundits broke their backs trying to legitimise Trump’s brain farts as some sort of performance art. His whole base seems incapable of acknowledging that he’s a pretty dumb guy.
“We are literally burning books. Well, not literally but we are figuratively burning books. I mean embracing a wider demographic variety in our authors is basically that. Mostly. Try not to think about it too much. I sure haven’t!” - basically Dave Rubin.
fun fact, the first big Nazi book burning was to destroy the research of Magnus Hirschfeld, a sexologist who was one of the first advocates for homosexual and trangender people.
He said it's the modern version of burning books. Like it's impossible to literally burn books in the modern day for some reason, so they have to resort to this instead.
As someone who has read 1984, there's no way you could read the book and come to the conclusion that it's criticising bottom-up social change. You'd have to shoehorn that in through a right-wing ideological lens and pretend large amounts of the book don't exist.
To compare the entire book to cancel culture etc completely simplifies the book, but I don’t think you need a right wing ideological lens to see some similarities with what the left do now and some similarities with what the right do now
@@troywalkertheprogressivean8433 nah, in the past it’s been right wing authoritarianism that gets worldwide condemnation even from the moderate/ libertarian right wing, and this was the subject in Orwell’s day, but that doesn’t mean that the left can’t also be oppressive and authoritarian also
@@troywalkertheprogressivean8433 plus if you actually read what I said I made no a comparison between the left and right, the book is about oppressive authoritarianism, which both sides of modern politics participate in to some extent
Man if only they bothered to do their research: “Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.” - George Orwell
I've got good news for Orwell, the US is already a democratic socialist nation. I might caution him as well, there's no reason democracies can't be totalitarian, all it takes is a majority of people to vote for it.
Please stop fawning over Orwell. He was a snitch who made lists of Communists, gay people, and black civil rights leaders and gave dossiers on these people to the British secret service. He called fucking Paul Robeson "anti-white" in the dossier. For a British man who had been a policeman in the British Raj, who'd never been to, wasn't familiar with, and didn't listen to people from the Soviet Union, he really tried to say that defending against "Stalinism" in the super anti-Communist British Empire under Winston Churchill was the pinnacle of intellectual honesty and bravery. We are beyond this loser who wrote one decent dystopian novel and a horrible revisionist children's story about the Soviet Union. Find new authors. Read Wretched of the Earth, discuss Pedagogy of the Oppressed or hell, just read better novels. I dunno your taste but try Gabriel Garcia Marquez.
@@joma5721 THe thing is. Yes it won't get better with Biden. But I know that it won't get worse like under Trump. Biden is Status Quo. Trump is Dumpsterfire. See it like that. Biden is a kick in your nuts. But Trump is a bullet to your head. No clue why people think this is comparable.
@@r_bear No bullshit, I'm watching the video where Michael laughs at Larry King taking a phone call during his Dave Rubin interview right now. I can't believe we lost Michael before we lost Alpha Larry. In an ideal world, of course, we would lose Dave Rubin before both of them.
It's really stupid whenever any form of progressive social change comes about, and conservatives tend to compare it to the Nazis, oftentimes bringing up the book burnings despite the fact that the Nazis weren't exactly burning books discussing the value of the traditional nuclear family unit. One of the most famous pieces of footage of their book burnings is actually footage of them burning books from what was then Germany's most prevalent and respected LGBT research center, which destroyed thousands of pages on what was supposedly then revolutionary research on LGBT identities and the experiences of the people in those communities.
Or that doublethink is being ideologically consistent on respecting other people and not like, considering yourselves the bastions of religious morality when your leadership just won't stop cheating on their wives
@@THECHI7LDUDE22 No, because the Internet forums are private entities. What Conservatives want is for the government to tell private entities what they can and cannot moderate on their own platforms. It’s missing the forest for the trees, and actually more Orwellian than “muh librul media” Rubin and other Trump commentators like to harp on.
I don't like how cancel culture is used by conservatives. That said I wonder what planet people live on when they say it's not a problem. I hear so many ordinary people who feel uncomfortable with it. They are not political or even conservative, they just know that they shouldn't speak. Civil discussion is extremely difficult on many issues and it is driven to a large degree by attempts of people the left to malign people in totally insane ways. A man was fired for speaking Chinese for Christ sake. And he apologised. That is Orwellian, I'm sorry. That said I think Conservatives are fucking hypocrits. When they banned books, actually banned them.
@@drts6955 I agree with you. Cancel culture can be harmful, but the examples you provided are anecdotal, and that's the thing. The key word here is "culture" When people say cancel culture isn't real they mean that its not a culture-wide phenomenon. It's not a widespread epidemic that is spreading and causing people to lose their jobs at a drastically higher rate. Also, people have been losing their jobs to public outcry for a very long time--long before the 'woke' teens conqured Twitter. Think of former president LBJ and how the public pressured him to not run for a second term bc of how he handled Vietnam. Or senator McCarthy calling people commies and making other senators lose their job. Or the Dixie Chicks and how they were banned from playing at concerts and radio stations just for disavowing the Iraq war. This stuff isn't new at all. Now look at rape culture. Rape culture is real because *everyday* women and men are being raped and sexually assaulted. It's an actual problem that people like me and you face--and thus, it's something we actually fear. Which ones more likely? You go to work and worry about being canceled or you rush to your car--key between your fingers, because you're worried someone might hurt you?
I've spent the last year of my life researching George Orwell. I've written several college level papers about the man and his work. But only today did I understand that 1984 is not meant to be a general warning about totalitarianism, and is instead what happens when I can't say the N-word on Twitter.
While humorous, your example is actually nonsensical if you think about it. Why can’t totalitarianism also encompass not being able to say the N-word on twitter? These two things are very far from being mutually exclusive.
I only had 4 until my trans friend made my 2+2=5. My life has never been better than when I became trans and broke the laws of conservation. Something from nothing, I never knew I could attain such power. There's so much to create, so much to introduce to the universe. And I've never looked better.
There's a saying in physics that _"2+2=5, for especially large values of 2."_ It's a demonstration of precision and the lack thereof on measurements. For example, Dave Rubin has 0 brains, given a margin of error of 1 brain, so the real answer may be -1. As such, 1 (Dave) + 1 (Dave) could = -2 (brains).
If I may borrow an observation from Innuendo Studios, most people have a basic kindergarten level morality which conservativism kinda clashes with. So yeah, there is a lot of jumping through mental hoops and reinforcing those thought patterns needed to maintain that worldview.
From people quite litterally saying things like "Antiracism is racism", "Antifascism is fascism" and "tolerance is oppression", pointing at 1984 all the time might not be the smartest move.
😅😂Fr, they quite litterally preform double think, quite litterally use new speak and constantly coopt terms that the left use and change their meanings into a an empty word, just utterly useless and as a dog whistle, example- woke- how it used to mean to be awake from the opression for black people 70 years ago or so, and now, well, it means " leftist strawman" Thease prople are litteral faschists and who knows if they even know it ( i mean the regular people, cuz i bet most of the media figures know it)
If I had a dollar for every time a conservative complained because a character of a show or game that was either a woman, a racial minority, or LGBT, I'd be loaded. The character just exists and they pull out "the left is making __ political!" Card
@@AleTitan To be fair, many characters are made and heavily marketed on basis of being that gender, race, or whatever. Nobody minds if the character is gay or woman. Just when it's expanded on too much even if it doesn't suit the movie.
The Nazis burned books about communism and gender science among other things, but the only part people like Dave Rubin remembers is 'they burned books' so he can act like anyone being asked to change their behaviour is in direct lineage with those persecuted by the Third Reich. In 1933, the Nazis destroyed Hirschfield's Institute for Sex Research, erasing at the time Europe's biggest catalogue of LGBT+ research. Now, we have conservatives comparing pronoun corrections to doublethink and reading recommendations to those very book burnings, and there's something so impure about it.
Isn’t it weird how conservatives and libertarians conveniently ignore how Orwell was a socialist and actually participated in the revolution in Catalonia.
Not weird at all, they have a history of doing that, they say Martin Luther king was a conservative when he was very much a socialist and continue to say that they are the party of lincoln when lincoln was very much known to be a fan of karl Marx to the point where Marx and lincoln would exchange letters.
It was a Spanish Civil War, he defended a democratic government against a facist putsch. Neither was it a revolution, nor it included Catalonia alone. Know your facts moron.
@@stroqus3830 are you fucking serious? He literally wrote a book called “Homage to Catalonia” where he details how he he fought for the C.N.T. F.A.I., which was an ANARCHIST organization.
Isn’t cancellation what conservatives are always praising the free market for? If you don’t like the way a particular business operates then the market will decide they shouldn’t be able to operate?
Yes that's right and that's why it's up to them to stop complaining and set up their own CNN and NBC etc. We might see things called (say) Facebank and Chatter as unrestricted speech alternatives. They could sink or swim on their merits (if they own their own servers).
Conservatives believe the rules don’t apply to them. That’s for the plebs after all. Free speech for example is their right to say what they like when they like to who they like, it is not your right to criticise them for it in any way.
This is the point they seem to miss, and it’s so hypocritical! Like Dr. Seuss didn’t get “cancelled” just because people stopped wanting to buy a few of his less savory books.
@@lickificki Honestly every country has power abuse, China is probably the most Orwellian country, especially with how the backdate and rewrite history (like the death toll in Wuhan).
Every time someone mentions the "far left", ask them to define the term. That will be the end of the conversation, because they either cannot, or will not, give you a definition.
@@racewiththefalcons1 99.9% of people dont want killer cops at all... A political compass would plot the "far left". Can you tell me how you would define the "far left"?
@Madison McWilliams my head, perhaps my community is different but why would anyone want killer cops policing them? I'd suggest left/right are just shorthand, along with being the divide in which the elite use to keep us fighting each other instead of fighting the elite. I'm somewhat radical myself...
Yeah. In many respects this video (I'm referring to the Dave Rubin video) is absolutely fascinating and disturbing to watch. How can they not understand that they're doing exactly what they're talking about? How unreflected can a person be?
In a world where (systematic) racism has been redefined to be any disparity between racial groups and anti-racism is eliminating that disparity it means taking (or giving) to someone based on their race alone, and yes anti-racism (as the term has been manipulated) is racism. If leftists didn't manipulate language to suit their ends, you wouldn't be confused.
I wouldn't say so; doublethink is about understanding the contradiction between between two statements and still believing them both. These guys are either too ignorant to realize there is any contradiction, or count on the ignorance of others when presenting their stupid arguments (that is, they don't actually believe this nonsense).
@Christopher Stanley Yes, if I disagree with you the only explanation is that I'm mindlessly repeating what others have said. There's no possible way I have looked into the topic and could possibly come to a different conclusion than you.
It's kinda scary how often the right doublethinks, from the "anti-bigots are the real bigots" to "we are libertarians, the most pro-freedom group around, yet we wish to deny freedoms to people."
None of the examples this thread just brought up as double think is actually double think though. You guys are distorting WHAT they are saying 🙄 I mean just consider this: you can understand a persons point AND still disagree with it. But you guys don't even understand their actual point 🤦🏻♂️
@@Piratewaffle43 Because 99% tells me since you already distorted peoples points you're probably not going to listen to some random stranger explaining them to you either. If you can't understand what a person says when they are explaining their arguments that's on you. I'm just saying you were distorting those things to mean doublespeak when they're not. I get HOW you could distort it that way, and that's by not understanding their points. So. How about being less biased next time and be more nuanced when you take in information and you won't have to ask strangers to explain shit to you.
It seems to be a current trend for conservatives to read and quote free thinkers, writers and poets of the early 20th century to back up their arguments. Despite the fact that most of them were liberals and anarchists. And footnotes! Subscribed. I wish more channels would pick up their game.
Because none of that even matters. They need a cheap punchline that sounds very philosophical and heady. They do this with everything. How many times has america been compared to Ancient Rome to show how we are somehow going down the wrong path like the Romans did. Failing to understand anything about the actual history. But they don’t care.
1984: written by a socialist describing an authoritarian conservative hellscape. Rave Dubin's view of 1984: written by an enlightened centrist describing how left bad, conservatism good. Rubin's brain is so smooth it can be used as a waterslide.
He's controlled-opposition, it's pretty obvious. The guy is gay and a member of the tribe, he's a fake conservative that has no actual conservative views on anything other than economics. Why are you surprised? Just another Ben Shapiro planted to subvert actual conservatism or anything close to it
"You know who could really change the political system? The party that is currently in charge of it. Ever notice how the government keeps trying to push us into this bipartisan system, that doesn't actually achieve any meaningful change, no matter what party is in charge? We should undermine it by putting one of those two parties in charge." Sublime thinking right there
I'm so, so tired of explaining fascism to conservatives. They always get confused, then start talking about how the leftists are the real Nazis, and then deflect by rambling about the Frankfurt School (like it's relevant in any way).
@@jospinner1183 wait what do conservatives get wrong about fascism? I find that both liberals and conservatives have no idea what fascism is, they use it as a broad pejorative term to refer to anything authoritarian when it's actually a nuanced ideology.
@@Nutmegp Conservatives confuse fascism with authoritarianism. They do this when they talk about fascist liberals who want policies they don't agree with, like environmental regulations or freer elections. They think it's fascist when local governments enact mask mandates to slow the spread of COVID-19, because they view it as a unilateral decision and they don't like it. I agree that most randos on the internet don't understand the nuances of fascism as a political ideology, but it's one of those terms that is easier to misuse if thrown at left-leaning people. As fascism is an explicitly far-right ideology, if someone calls a right-wing conservative a fascist, there's at least the possibility that they are fascist or fascist-leaning. If someone calls a left-wing liberal a fascist, it's patently absurd because fascism is on the opposite end of the political spectrum and the ideologies are essentially in opposition.
@@jospinner1183 Followed you up until that last paragraph, it's too complex an ideology to describe as far-right and thus to say that confusing conservatives with fascists is less incorrect than confusing liberals with fascists. A lot of the time I find liberals are surprised at how much they have in common with fascist goals and beliefs, there's more common ground with liberals than with establishment conservatives imo. Yes if you're talking about paleo conservatives and people with actual conservative/traditionalist beliefs then there will be more connection with fascism as it values traditionalism and accepts race-realism as fact. The issue is that most of the people you describe as conservative likely aren't conservative in any meaningful way, maybe on economics but fascism is explicitly anti-capitalist. The Overton Window has shifted left and with it most people considered conservative are just centrists that don't like the weird SJW stuff liberals like.
1984 has always been one of the most wildly misinterpreted books of all time. Imagine aligning with the party that passed the Patriot Act and thinking the other guys are the Orwellian ones
Since when are we supposed to believe any politicians are on either party's side? The "figureheads" rarely, if ever, actually represent the professed ideals of any given party. Where the hypocrisy lands is up to interpretation, but the discrepancy is indisputable.
On "the party that passed the Patriot Act": Only 66 of 208 House Democrats (32%) voted against it, and only 1 of 50 Senate Democrats (2%) voted against it. Both parties passed the PATRIOT Act.
“What they needed was a Trump” statement is absolutely astonishing. He transitioned seamlessly from talking about 1984 to making a statement about how great the dear leader is, in-spite of a failure to provide any connective tissue between the ideas. It’s breathtaking. He didn’t even miss a beat. If that’s not doublethink I don’t know what is.
Yes, the poor sod is to daft to know that if his extreme rightwing donors truly would take control. He and his'husband are the first to be transported of to ' re-education camps to make them 'hetero sexual again',.
"the party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. it was their final, most essential command." -1984 "what you're seeing and what you're hearing is not what's happening." -donald trump the book 1984 has been banned in the ussr for being too anti-communist, and in jacksonville, florida for being too pro-communist. authoritarianism is the same
It's really interesting to me how humans manage to fit anything into their own perspective. I watched a video of Tim Pool claiming Squid Games was a critique of Communism when the writer literally says its a critique of capitalism. He addresses this, and calls the creator wrong in his own interpretation of his own work. Here we have two conservatives reading 1984 and making it about the opposite of what it is. Its crazy
Can an author be wrong about the validity of various readings of their work? Sure. Is Squid Games, a series in which people literally play death games and murder each other to try not only to escape debt but to become rich, actually about communism? Holy fuck no. Where do they come up with these takes?
@@joshridinger3407 Reminds me of the Schrodinger's Spongebob meme: "We cannot know if Spongebob is alive or dead until we open the box." _"I make crabby patties --"_ *"Shut up!"*
If people did not have the ability to deny the identities of trans people, wouldn't it also be true that people would lack the reciprocal ability to accept the identities of trans people?
So JK Rowling (multibillionaire), Drew Brees (currently an NFL starting QB), Kevin Hart (successful comedian who executive produced an entire TV series this year), and Woodrow Wilson (dead) are PragerU's best examples of cancel culture? That's extremely weak
A better example would be the cancellation of the Dixie Chicks, who literally were canceled right after offending Bush. Wonder why PragerU didn´t use them as an example.
Poor, poor Woodrow. All he did was defend his culture and heritage of rampant racist terrorism, and he only got to be president for it. He's like the Bin Laden of the right 😪, if "the left" had a Bin Laden. Bin Laden is the Bin Laden of the right.
@@Levyathyn it literally isn't. There is no mention of transgenderism. There is a single line saying the serial killer cross-dressed once. Stop spewing bullshit
This book is really low key tragically beautiful, Winston just wants the freedom to love who he loves, have his own personhood, and the ability to think for himself. True total power can't allow that to exist, and these fucknuts lack the imagination to realize they're literally reproducing the same thought process when it comes to trans issues and creating this cancel culture boogie man.
The whole J.K Rowling thing has shown to me that "cancel culture" is an excuse. She isn't being cancelled she's being criticized. Screams of her being cancelled is simply a tool being used to silence criticism. And that is a bad thing. People want to silent criticism, and claiming "I'm being cancelled" is a way to do it.
she might be actively making money off of the disenfranchisement of trans people with her shitty little crime novels written under the nomme de plume of a conversation therapist. but no, some people were mean to her on twitter, so she’s the real victim here guys!
It amazes me that she cried about how shes being censored and then threatens to sue a publication for writing a negative article about her to get them to take it down. www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/23/childrens-news-website-apologises-jk-rowling-trans-tweet-day People like this are not sincere and are taking advantage of the real problems those who actually face censorship have to deal with. Its a dumb clout game for rich bored people whose speech isn’t interesting enough on its own if they don’t pretend like its being censored
@@georgesprat9697 i think social media moderation needs to improve. i don’t think people deserve to lose their jobs over transphobic comments online (unless they happen to be harassing a trans person in the workplace, which isn’t unlikely), but they sure as hell deserve to lose their twitter.
I would love to talk about cancel culture with Rubin, and then bring up the following: - Joseph McCarthy - The moral majority - The satanic panic - The Parents Music Resource Center - The Dixie Chicks - The unbridled rage about kneeling NFL players
@Kosch KX I know he wasn't involved with and maybe wouldn't have supported these things. All I'm doing is pointing out historical examples of right-wing "cancel culture". Just to make the point that it's not just a left-wing thing. And Ruben should know this better than anyone, given the multiple decades-long efforts of the past to "cancel" gay people.
@Kosch KX this ignores the fact that McCarthy basically turned the word into a slur to be slung at people he didn't like, that socialism is different from what most Americans believe the word to mean (aka a vague dictatorship that dislikes capitalism and did a bad thing), and that the guy's crusade was about as ferocious albeit less deadly than the Salem Witch Trials and bagged a lot of innocent people who just weren't "patriotic" enough. Also, of you're gonna argue against the left, maybe find something a little more substantive than identity politics. You are not every single immigrant and Dave Rubin is not every single progressive gay/LGBTQA+ person. If a movement stresses holding the support of every single person in a particular demographic, they will spend too much time courting said individuals to influence policy in a way that helps said groups or other equally important and underprivileged groups.
Reality: Right wing extremism making a comeback in Europe and increasing even more than it already has in America. Dave Rubin: The reality is that it's this left wing extremism thing.
There arent any right with extremsit governments in Europe. And the reason right wing extremism is increasing is because of left wing extremism and i am happy to show you evidence for it. Sweden os a perfect example.
@@eh712 Openly admitting you fail to see reality, while simultaneously saying right wing extremism isn't real but is also "completely justified" because of something that actually isn't real is just... Grade A right wing nujub, goodjob. Keep converting for the left wing cause by quacking about your imagined realities liking a dang lunatic over here.
@@ThrottleKitty I fail to see reality because left wing extremists are the ones doing the so called «cancel culture» , left wing extremists are the ones who are erasing history. I never said right wing extremism wasnt real i said there werent any governments in Europe who are right wing extremists. Now if you actually look at a country like Sweden you can clearly see that left wing extremism is Whats turning people to right wing extremism. Look at SD (Sverige demokraterna) a party that hadnt gotten ANY attention BEFORE 2014. Many if the new supporters had been life long supporters of the social democrat party (s), but were fed up with left wing extremism and Stefan löfven politics in general. Btw Löfven proudly called himself the first FEMINIST government😂. You left wing but Jobs crack me up.
Because amazon and google dont make laws. Amazon specifically figures out ways to give people what they want. Doesn't tell you what to think. Cancel culture does tho
@@jeremiahsymonette4781 Lol you are the most naive person in existence if you think that. What do you think lobbyists are? Their entire job is incentivizing lawmakers to work on the behalf of companies like those, rather than on behalf of their constituents. You have a very cute view of the world if you think companies are just trying to help people.
@@jeremiahsymonette4781 sure, because of course (!) a few people in twitter tweeting about celebrities are more powerful than international multi billion dollar companies which have ties to CIA, sure buddy! 🤡
@@honeybellebuzlucay5867 a few??? Try millions with pitchfork mentalities, bozo. These companies bow to mobs not the other way around. Companies are neutral on most issues because all they want is money. Until the people (employees and consumers) turn mob and put pressure on them. Pay more attention before you get sarcastic and use ya lil emoji's, u jackass
@@jeremiahsymonette4781 oh how respectful!!! You are very different from the mobs you criticize!😘🤗💕❤️🌼😘😘😚 What a wonderful world you must live in where lobbying doesn't exist, the biggest threat to people being angry twitter people (which is far less people than you make out them to be!!😘😚😩💕❤️) such an intellectual who absolutely doesn't use emojis!! What a blasphemy it would be to use such vulgar language 😩😱😩☠️💢 instead you swear like a true scholar!! 🤠😇⚡⭐🎉😾😽❤️💫👹😽😿
These guys must be highly intelligent: Instead of understanding and considering other viewpoints, they do all kinds of mental backflips to interpret their prejudices as facts. That takes a mental power I don't think I can muster.
@@beefstew4721 Jordan, this is an unscripted reaction video, not a debate. But, beef stew, I had wanted to send this video to my very very anti-SJW friend, but this video is so informal and sorta niche that I can't, so.... I get where Jordan is coming from.
Thank you. None of these conservatives read about the history of other countries, their lifestyle, different cultures. No wonder they're so close-minded.
Also Bradburry actually belived in cancel culture so it would be more fitting (no, really, in the book, that's how the government policy started; not saying he was right tho).
So does nobody else remember that part in 1984 where Winston reads a communist book and it inspires him to rebel against the government?? Where history is described in terms of class struggle and Winston thinks about how, if only the "proles" would band together and rise up, they could easily defeat Big Brother?? Does nobody else remember this??
@@MrGoldfish8 my input on this is that communism is taken to mean ussr-type communism nowadays but that Marx's communist manifesto was not like that and was closer to what we call socialism, this seems to lead to confusion sometimes
@@tombrandis2866 I keep telling people it's like if every time I used the word _democracy_ people went, "Wait -- like they do in North Korea?!? That's really bad though!" So frustrating.
likewise terfs, especially in the uk, are having their right to question the validity of trans people's very existence, violently suppressed. at least, that's what they keep telling me in all their op-eds for the national newspapers/on national radio/tv/etc.
“Ah yes. The only way to break up the false choices of american politics and ideologies, we must continue to follow the guy who’s done nothing but reinforce and highlighted that falsehood of politics where everyone else is powerless and they rich alwaysstay in control no matter how much of a cartoon character the “elected” leader is.
I've heard people say "decolonize your bookshelf", and I've always assumed it was a call to read MORE diverse books, and broaden one's horizons to understand different opinions and worldviews
"They're banning books - 1984" Me from Britain: "Yes the right wing Conservative Government is banning books in school. Including 1984 - because it's anti-capitalist" Your point?????
Mikhail G Animal Farm is criticizing the Soviet Government. Under socialism all kinds of corruption happens as can be seen currently in Venezuela. Normally under capitalism the people who become rich are people like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates who invent a product everyone wants and people voluntarily hand over their money to get that product that only that person knows how to make. Under socialism the people who become rich are the political elites. In Venezuela Hugo Chavez' daughter is a billionaire. This in a country where people are killing and eating their pets and also zoo animals. How did she get rich? Did she invent the iPhone? Facebook? Microsoft Windows? No. This is tax money that has been extracted by force from private citizens under law and threat of imprisonment. So Hugo Chavez' daughter has collected this tax money from people who have worked hard to earn it, whereas Steve Jobs gets his money from people who voluntarily hand it over to get an IPhone. Not too mention that the bureaucracy and degree of regulation is so high that to get anything done politicians need to be bribed. So this corruption that happens under socialism is what George Orwell is making fun of in Animal Farm.
I’ve only ever met one trans person in my life. I think the republicans and the democrats whip people into hysteria over these issues because deep down they offer people nothing.
@@theoracle7148 Trans person here. We just want to live in peace but unfortunately we're getting dragged into spotlight. Conservatives really love to use fearmongering and right now we're all the rage 🤣
Instant migraine for me. With that being said, listening to the empty, Ill-informed, and incoherent "high level ideas" Rubin spews makes me pray that someone will do what's right and shoot me directly in the face. As I see it, being shot in the face is probably less painful than the migraine I always get from trying to follow Dave's low level logic.
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Got to love when conservatives try to bend 1984 into a criticism of the left and at the same time having no clue Orwell already wrote a book that actually was criticizing the left called Animal Farm. Just proves they don't actually read anything or know anything about Orwell
remember when o’Brien yelled “YOU’RE CANCELLED!!” to Winston’s face at the climax of the book and then proceeded to ignore him with all his friends, leading to Winston being officially Oppressed™️? That really says a lot about society.
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Damn you're right. We live in a society. It really makes you think. 1984.
-Rubin, probably
@@stupidass69420 ....nobody’s making you turn transgender lmao, that’s never been a thing
@@bobsburgers8497 they were being sarcastic
You mean the climax of the book?! I mean, _yeah,_ of course I do.
What kinda flex is it to say that "most of this is unscripted" and then drop that fire, huh?
Gud to see you are here.
Luv your Wolfenstein video
"No big deal or anything, but I'm prometheus."
of course u watch joel too lmao
Srsly
That's because the tour de force known as *M O N O L I T H I C* *JOEL* stores all his power in his sweater
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of philosophy's oldest quests; the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John K. Galbraith
This is a human condition and not a political ideaology. I have no idea who John K. Galbraith? is but he is clearly bias and misinformed on the human condition.
@@007Hutchings he was a Canadian-American economist, diplomat and general intellectual who was one of the key thinkers of American liberal politics in the 20th century
@@007Hutchings "He hurt my feelings so he must be wrong!"
What the modern conservative doesn't know is that this superior justification for selfishness does not exist, nor can it ever exist. In essence, they are looking for a needle in a haystack when the needle never existed in the first place.
I think Ayn Rand pretty much finished quest though. She's got a whole philosophy based around not just your right to be a selfish asshole, but your duty.
PragerU: _Gets mildly censored on Yotube's restricted mode_
Dave: *1984, WE'VE GOT A 1984*
Mildy. You are clueless
@Michael D Why are you even here?
@@gav1233 you have no idea how wide spread this censorship really is.
@Michael D I have not only gotten PragerU videos in my recommended every other day. Several other right-wing channels' videos that I'm not interested in have been recommended to me almost every single day. Even my ads have gotten screwed up. You guys aren't getting censored.
@@gav1233 are you clicking on prager? Have you ever? Algorithms often follow what you click. If it makes you feel better I get many corporate-owned, agenda- driven left-wing video suggestions also
i love that 1984 has become the catch-all term for any dystopian fiction that isn't YA or cyberpunk. dude talks about "book burning" and the very obvious comparison would be Fahrenheit 451, but instead he does his Jedi Mind Trick hand gesture and says, "1984."
Dave Rubin is the Candace Owens of gay people.
And Blaire White is the Candace Owens of trans people
Only that Ruben is somewhat Hot while Owens looks like a Alien
@@PancakemonsterFO4 no accounting for taste.
@@PancakemonsterFO4 “Rubin is somewhat hot”
Dennis Prager is the Candace Owens of white people.
You could never convince me these people are literate. Also I live for big Joel screaming Juan Vidal in an anguished tone
they are im pretty sure. they just get paid enough that they pretend not to be
@@mivical I feel like you have to be a pretty miserable person to literally sell out your rights for money
@@normtrooper4392 i think they are pretty miserable people 😅😅 but idk them personally so who knows
@@mivical I am thankful every day I don't personally know Dave Rubin
@@normtrooper4392 same lol
I will still never be able to get over when Dave Rubin said the fellowship of the ring was about how Frodo didn't need help from others and relied on his own rugged individual nice to get the ring to Mordor. I mean for fuck sake the title of the book is "The Fellowship Of The Ring" and he uses that book as if it's somehow and example rugged individualism. Seriously Dave Rubin needs to teach a master class on how to misunderstand things.
I also hate that whole thing he does where he acts like he's thinking up a point pause is what he saying swallows pause again shakes his head and then starts talking like he didn't know exactly what he was going to say or something it's just so fucking pretentious I hate it.
@@easonkamander7348 Yeah but to be fair it took me Like a long time to figure out why they couldn’t use the Eagles. Would be more fitting for him to be one of the guys to say “it’s because manwe was too powerful and had too much pride to concern himself with the ring”. But still like I am totally picking up what you’re laying down.
@@easonkamander7348 also like I am totally Nurding out over four to the range sorry.
@@easonkamander7348 He could also be a character “saying the ring has no real power the only power it has is the power you give it”.
Whoa, seriously? Lmao!! Even if it wasn’t the Fellowship of the Ring, did he just completely forget about Sam?? The fact that their relationship was literally based on Tolkien’s time in trench warfare and how comradery kept him alive?
That’s like literally going out of your way to misunderstand the message of the narrative. It’s not even meta text, it’s literally in the text. Omg I can’t even 😂😂🤣
@@someonerandom8552 precisely... I’m getting to a point where I’m pretty sure Dave Rubin doesn’t know how to read. Like he’s just making things up but he doesn’t know what he’s making them up for or about.
Ah yes, George Orwell, the British socialist was in favour of right wing conservatives.
yes, unironically yes he was, he contributed much more to right wing extreme propaganda than to socialism
Propaganda wars exist in the heads of people. It is often produced whole cloth from nothingness.
@@Fedro_ PEDRO AFONSO
He was also a fan of Winston Churchill. Saying socialism then is the same as socialism now is like saying the Democrats of yestercentury were the same as now.
@@maxieprimo2758 You're not implying that socialism in Orwell's day was basically the same as the Tories, are you? Because that would be weird and extremely wrong.
I was listening to the video in the car and when I heard Michael’s point about double think I literally had to pull over cause I needed to collect myself
Ikr, the brain needs to go into recovery mode after taking such a high level idea 😂
Just finished 1984 for my senior English class and had been so excited to watch this video. The way you end by threading them through and ever credibly applying the concept of Doublethink (without actually naming it!) to their own pseudo-intellectual conversation brought a smile to my face. Keep up the good work! My favorite channel on TH-cam
Love how he's absolutely lost it 6 minutes in and simply can't deal with this anymore
I was born in 1985...84 sounded like a bad year with this big brother dude running around
Glad things got better
Here's some math using Dave's Flat Tax in case you're interested
Anyone less than $50k gets a free ride, everyone else pays 18%
So if you make $55k a year, you'd pay $9,900 in income tax. So the take home pay for someone making $55k suddenly turns into $45,100 after tax. I can already see all the CEOs lowering their own salaries to $49k a year just to avoid income tax, even though most of their assets don't even come from income. Great plan Dave
It's called a progressive tax and theres an easy fix. You're only taxed 18% for income above 50k. So you would never earn less. And it is in fact used in the country I live in
Conservatives started cancel culture, Dixie chicks remember
Orwell is rolling in his grave so fast that we can use him to power up the entirety of New York due to Dave Rubin
I always laugh so hard at the thumbnail of this video because I just imagine Dave Rubin saying the caption with the most urgent sincerity
It's only a matter of time until Dave is going to say something like: "I'm straight now the libs forced me to do this!!!!!"
Lol I don't get the salt right types. They literally had it all not too long ago. The presidency, the house, and the senate. You guys are winning big and still act like victims getting stomped on by boogie men who obviously don't exist. They are never happy and you can't win with these stupid angry confused fuck ups. They are unintentionally hilarious though. So that's a positive lololol.
Normally just like hearing you clown on these people but this is the first one ive watched where the guy you’re talking abt actually made me mad
What they say makes sense in a conservative mindset. Seeing as conservatives already believe whatever is the opposite of reality anyway.
Wow, so non conservatives know reality. That's a brave call.
@@davidjuliesmiththomas7983 History is a long story of conservatives being wrong about basically everything. Not once has conservatism been on the right side of history.
My favorite part is conservatives somehow having reverence for the mathematics that makes 2+2=4, but discard that reverence as soon as it comes to mathematical models of climate change.
Also apparently trans people existing is a mathematical impossibility. Like, hey trans people, you are somehow breaking the laws of the universe by existing.
This whole situation has so many layers of Irony, I can't even attempt to explain it
big joel has a god tier laugh
People calling Dave Rubin and idiot and not entertaining his ideas is not censorship, it's exercising free speech. Just because someone is held accountable for what they say or ideals they espouse doesn't mean we suddenly turned into the party from 1984.
Exactly. Their talk about cancel culture and being snarked at on the internet for their views (which, hello, should not be surprising for the internet) applies just the same to the liberal mindsets they fervently oppose! Like, they're upset that they can't have a different opinion, but come after the left for... having... different opinions from theirs. As you said, that's the nature of discussion. Not everyone will agree, and that's ok because everyone should be free to voice their concerns. That's where facts and solid points come in and, eventually, compromise and courses of action. Saying the left = the oppressive power in 1984 without considering or posing actual points is lazy and doesn't accomplish anything. Not to mention the textual evidence from the book counters everything they're saying
Before I even start the video, I'm a big Orwell Stan, this Prager U video sounds like the best way for me to cringe inside out. I'm expecting many MANY misinterpretations. Come on lads, don't let me down!
You know what, I'm gonna just edit this comment with timestamps and my reactions.
1:26; fuckin nope. Dave that wasn't what Minitrue was. Minitrue destroyed evidence of times they did wrong and constantly changed the past. Minitrue wasn't being called a bigot on twitter.
1:46; "if there is hope, it lies with the proles". You're just the party, Dave, who is scared of the proles. Doesn't work like that. Doesn't bubble up from the bottom
3:53; nope. Your bullshit claim of reverse racism is itself doublethink. Doublethink was the idea that you can think one thing and its opposite at the same time, and forget that opposite only to draw it back again when it's needed. Not "aren't anti racists racist against white people?". A more realistic analogy is probably Dave Rubin thinking he's pro gay rights and yet coming out against the modern gay rights movement.
4:38; nope. 2+2=5 came from the government, not the proles. 2+2=5 would be the party lying and forcing the public to believe something. Like for instance Trump saying that the election was rigged and causing a riot at the Capitol because they so eagerly believed it.
I got a Mike Knowles _and_ a Prager U ad on this video, ughhhh
"You know what the people in 1984 needed? Donald Trump!"
My soul left my body.
💀
It left your body, entered mine and then yanked my soul out as well.
With that „yanked“ being more of an exchange of bewildered glances before we both ascended into… wherever we‘re going
Lmao, I lost it
"What you are seeing and hearing is not what is happening!"
There's absolutely no way these people actually believe what they're saying; they just know that dumb people will lap it up and they'll make a bunch of money because of it. Yeah, the people in 1984 needed the guy who teargassed a bunch of middle-aged women who were peacefully protesting for the sole purpose of taking a picture of himself holding a bible that wasn't his in front a church he didn't attend and led a fascist march on the capital to overturn a democratic election. It's legitimately scary how dumb a lot of people are.
me when I'm at the store and nobody offers me a free sample: wow this is just like 1984, what the hell
me when i have to wait on line to try a free sample: wow commonunism just like food
I really feel like that's more Kafkaesque than Orwellian
Truly Lovecraftian.
More like brave new world imo
me, when a social media platform gives a white supremacist a 1 week suspension: this is what fahrenheit 451 was warning us about
Maybe the real Big Brother was the little people we oppressed along the way.
Best comment
I dont know what it means but it sounds profound as f@ck
"The tyranny of the majority"
Omg the burnrnnn
Yes, it's those 0.011% of percent of socially-excluded people who have no major political/economic influence and who are harassed constantly. It's them who have oppressed the majority! Let's settle this and take their rights and power away that they don't have!
"1984 needed a Trump!"
I don't think I've seen anyone miss the point so hard.
His supporters see him as someone who ignores social rules put in place and therefore see him as someone who would go against the social rules put in place in 1984.
Ironic, though, because those against him see him as someone who would be in support of the 1894 government
@@shadowcween7890 It's staggering to me that people don't see the parallels between Trump and Big Brother. Or that Trumps rallies so closely reflect the Two-Minute Hate. Or that Trump could proclaim that 2+2=5 and the Party would affirm it.
@@HunchbackJack They wouldn’t affirm it in a literal way. They’d say he’s “wittily commenting on the subjectivity of truth when presented by the mainstream media” or something like that; when he was in office, a lot of right-wing pundits broke their backs trying to legitimise Trump’s brain farts as some sort of performance art. His whole base seems incapable of acknowledging that he’s a pretty dumb guy.
"I don't think, I've seen anyone miss the point so hard" could be the motto of Dave's career, actually...
They JUST made the point about a *FAKE* controlled opposition that exists only to maintain the status quo! Unbelievable.
“We are literally burning books. Well, not literally but we are figuratively burning books. I mean embracing a wider demographic variety in our authors is basically that. Mostly. Try not to think about it too much. I sure haven’t!” - basically Dave Rubin.
"If you don't read a book you're effectively burning it" - Idiots
fun fact, the first big Nazi book burning was to destroy the research of Magnus Hirschfeld, a sexologist who was one of the first advocates for homosexual and trangender people.
He said it's the modern version of burning books. Like it's impossible to literally burn books in the modern day for some reason, so they have to resort to this instead.
My erotic Super Mario Bros fan fiction didn't make New York Times Best Seller List, that's literally 1984
Of course now neocons are engaging Ed in banning and effectively burning books in schools, Dave Rubin says nothing.
As a transgender person I actually AM trying to brainwash everyone but thank you for defending me big Joel
he’s keeping our secrets, what a king
😂
Don't tip our hand! Soon, when we get a conservative to properly gender us, then is our time to strike! And have basic human decency.
Shhh it's a secret
All hail the mighty trans masters may their hormone therapy flow abundantly into our water supply.
Dave Rubin's biggest fear is that he will be cancelled and no one will notice.
His biggest fear is that no one will care enough to cancel him in the first place.
I’m going to say your name backwards
Millions love his show. Sorry if that bothers you
I have no audience and I must complain about twitter
Burn this book
We live in a society.
-George Orwell, 1984.
Also George Costanza, 1998. :D
Also joke man from society film - 2019
Cancel culture is out of control this literally 1984
- George Orwell, 1984
37 years ahead of his time
Did it get the Oscar?
As someone who has read 1984, there's no way you could read the book and come to the conclusion that it's criticising bottom-up social change. You'd have to shoehorn that in through a right-wing ideological lens and pretend large amounts of the book don't exist.
Which parts?
To compare the entire book to cancel culture etc completely simplifies the book, but I don’t think you need a right wing ideological lens to see some similarities with what the left do now and some similarities with what the right do now
@@dngn____ if the left acts as the right, then theyre not the left. 🤨 you misdefine the left
@@troywalkertheprogressivean8433 nah, in the past it’s been right wing authoritarianism that gets worldwide condemnation even from the moderate/ libertarian right wing, and this was the subject in Orwell’s day, but that doesn’t mean that the left can’t also be oppressive and authoritarian also
@@troywalkertheprogressivean8433 plus if you actually read what I said I made no a comparison between the left and right, the book is about oppressive authoritarianism, which both sides of modern politics participate in to some extent
Man if only they bothered to do their research:
“Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.” - George Orwell
I've got good news for Orwell, the US is already a democratic socialist nation. I might caution him as well, there's no reason democracies can't be totalitarian, all it takes is a majority of people to vote for it.
@@adamwenzl4485 Do you know what democratic socialism even means?
KING!
Please stop fawning over Orwell. He was a snitch who made lists of Communists, gay people, and black civil rights leaders and gave dossiers on these people to the British secret service. He called fucking Paul Robeson "anti-white" in the dossier.
For a British man who had been a policeman in the British Raj, who'd never been to, wasn't familiar with, and didn't listen to people from the Soviet Union, he really tried to say that defending against "Stalinism" in the super anti-Communist British Empire under Winston Churchill was the pinnacle of intellectual honesty and bravery.
We are beyond this loser who wrote one decent dystopian novel and a horrible revisionist children's story about the Soviet Union. Find new authors. Read Wretched of the Earth, discuss Pedagogy of the Oppressed or hell, just read better novels. I dunno your taste but try Gabriel Garcia Marquez.
@@adamwenzl4485 you sound like you might be a huge idiot, you should stop talking before you make it worse
Trumpsters 2016 : Make America Great Again!
Trumpsters 2020 : Man! Look at America. It's so broken! Like never before! Only Trump can fix it.
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@PiK it does get better, people just forget how bad it was before
@@hithere7080 it really doesn’t. And unless there is a radical reorganisation of society, it won’t.
@@joma5721 THe thing is. Yes it won't get better with Biden. But I know that it won't get worse like under Trump. Biden is Status Quo. Trump is Dumpsterfire. See it like that. Biden is a kick in your nuts. But Trump is a bullet to your head. No clue why people think this is comparable.
Seem like the same thing to me? Idk
"I don't think trans people are trying to brainwash us."
Whoa, slow down, there, buddy-- you're going to overflow my mind with high-level ideas!
Aww geez my brain is gonna be stuck on recovery mode for a very long time after hearing that
shhhh, let him keep talking. the conservatives are onto us 👀👀 /s
God I miss Michael Brooks
@@r_bear No bullshit, I'm watching the video where Michael laughs at Larry King taking a phone call during his Dave Rubin interview right now.
I can't believe we lost Michael before we lost Alpha Larry. In an ideal world, of course, we would lose Dave Rubin before both of them.
@@jacobchaudoin9680
I still can’t believe he’s gone so young.
"actually trans people don't exist" [2 minutes later] "this is like nazis burning books!"
Yeah. The nazis burned books about trans people.
Actually they burned books and trans people
It's really stupid whenever any form of progressive social change comes about, and conservatives tend to compare it to the Nazis, oftentimes bringing up the book burnings despite the fact that the Nazis weren't exactly burning books discussing the value of the traditional nuclear family unit. One of the most famous pieces of footage of their book burnings is actually footage of them burning books from what was then Germany's most prevalent and respected LGBT research center, which destroyed thousands of pages on what was supposedly then revolutionary research on LGBT identities and the experiences of the people in those communities.
Erm no they didn't, that would conflict with my worldview
@@yahkimicki236 raphaël ambrosius costeau ???
Imagine thinking that we are living in 1984 and thinking it's teenagers being mad at you on twitter and not like, the Patriot Act
Or that doublethink is being ideologically consistent on respecting other people and not like, considering yourselves the bastions of religious morality when your leadership just won't stop cheating on their wives
The Internet censorship by big tech is Orwellian, yes.
@@THECHI7LDUDE22 No, because the Internet forums are private entities. What Conservatives want is for the government to tell private entities what they can and cannot moderate on their own platforms. It’s missing the forest for the trees, and actually more Orwellian than “muh librul media” Rubin and other Trump commentators like to harp on.
I don't like how cancel culture is used by conservatives. That said I wonder what planet people live on when they say it's not a problem.
I hear so many ordinary people who feel uncomfortable with it. They are not political or even conservative, they just know that they shouldn't speak. Civil discussion is extremely difficult on many issues and it is driven to a large degree by attempts of people the left to malign people in totally insane ways. A man was fired for speaking Chinese for Christ sake. And he apologised. That is Orwellian, I'm sorry.
That said I think Conservatives are fucking hypocrits. When they banned books, actually banned them.
@@drts6955 I agree with you. Cancel culture can be harmful, but the examples you provided are anecdotal, and that's the thing. The key word here is "culture"
When people say cancel culture isn't real they mean that its not a culture-wide phenomenon. It's not a widespread epidemic that is spreading and causing people to lose their jobs at a drastically higher rate.
Also, people have been losing their jobs to public outcry for a very long time--long before the 'woke' teens conqured Twitter. Think of former president LBJ and how the public pressured him to not run for a second term bc of how he handled Vietnam. Or senator McCarthy calling people commies and making other senators lose their job. Or the Dixie Chicks and how they were banned from playing at concerts and radio stations just for disavowing the Iraq war. This stuff isn't new at all.
Now look at rape culture. Rape culture is real because *everyday* women and men are being raped and sexually assaulted. It's an actual problem that people like me and you face--and thus, it's something we actually fear.
Which ones more likely? You go to work and worry about being canceled or you rush to your car--key between your fingers, because you're worried someone might hurt you?
Conservatives be like: “We want a small government but with a massive military to make sure the wrong people aren’t fucking.”
no
small government but red states use the most federal welfare money, curious
Lalalalla
@@cookiman4225 yep thats the truth buddy
@@cookiman4225 bro said “nuh uh”
I've spent the last year of my life researching George Orwell. I've written several college level papers about the man and his work. But only today did I understand that 1984 is not meant to be a general warning about totalitarianism, and is instead what happens when I can't say the N-word on Twitter.
🤣🤣
You learn something new everyday 😂😂😂
While humorous, your example is actually nonsensical if you think about it. Why can’t totalitarianism also encompass not being able to say the N-word on twitter? These two things are very far from being mutually exclusive.
@@jjmah7 😂
@@jjmah7well so is fear of rats and totalitarianism, but nobody says that 1984 is about the fear of rats
I have trans friends, and they made me believe that 2+2=5. Thank you Rubin for breaking their mind control over me.
I only had 4 until my trans friend made my 2+2=5. My life has never been better than when I became trans and broke the laws of conservation. Something from nothing, I never knew I could attain such power. There's so much to create, so much to introduce to the universe. And I've never looked better.
2 + 2 is actually 7 but don't worry about it
@@amateurprogrammer25 No cissie 2+2=22, duh
There's a saying in physics that _"2+2=5, for especially large values of 2."_
It's a demonstration of precision and the lack thereof on measurements. For example, Dave Rubin has 0 brains, given a margin of error of 1 brain, so the real answer may be -1. As such, 1 (Dave) + 1 (Dave) could = -2 (brains).
Do not listen to his forked tongue. Come back to the light. It’s 5.
I feel like most conservative "entertainment" is just them trying desperately to not feel bad about what they believe in.
eye-opening
If I may borrow an observation from Innuendo Studios, most people have a basic kindergarten level morality which conservativism kinda clashes with.
So yeah, there is a lot of jumping through mental hoops and reinforcing those thought patterns needed to maintain that worldview.
Oh, that is how we feel about you as well.
@@dumbdumber7203
If I could name you I wouldn’t change anything
@@NN-sp9tu Sick burn... original.
“Real Fascism isn’t the textbook definition, is when I get ratiod in Twitter for being transphobic”- Rubin and Knowles
It's darwinism, nay, EUGENICS aimed at stupid people :O
Rubin 3 and Knowles
@@peterprime2140 featuring Denis from the Libtard May Cry series
From people quite litterally saying things like "Antiracism is racism", "Antifascism is fascism" and "tolerance is oppression", pointing at 1984 all the time might not be the smartest move.
😅😂Fr, they quite litterally preform double think, quite litterally use new speak and constantly coopt terms that the left use and change their meanings into a an empty word, just utterly useless and as a dog whistle, example- woke- how it used to mean to be awake from the opression for black people 70 years ago or so, and now, well, it means " leftist strawman"
Thease prople are litteral faschists and who knows if they even know it ( i mean the regular people, cuz i bet most of the media figures know it)
I love how Conservatives call modern media “too political” only to make even more politically charged media.
Projection is the conservative tool of choice
If I had a dollar for every time a conservative complained because a character of a show or game that was either a woman, a racial minority, or LGBT, I'd be loaded. The character just exists and they pull out "the left is making __ political!" Card
@@AleTitan diversity is our strength
@@AleTitan To be fair, many characters are made and heavily marketed on basis of being that gender, race, or whatever. Nobody minds if the character is gay or woman. Just when it's expanded on too much even if it doesn't suit the movie.
Calling media too political is political
Trickle up authoritarianism
underrated comment
Fuck yeah
Well, to be fair, revolutions that evolved into authoritarian regimes didn’t exactly start from the top.
@@macolof362 not always the Pinochet junta in Chile was funded by America.
@@franriding6473 exceptions i suppose. always a few of those.
The Nazis burned books about communism and gender science among other things, but the only part people like Dave Rubin remembers is 'they burned books' so he can act like anyone being asked to change their behaviour is in direct lineage with those persecuted by the Third Reich.
In 1933, the Nazis destroyed Hirschfield's Institute for Sex Research, erasing at the time Europe's biggest catalogue of LGBT+ research. Now, we have conservatives comparing pronoun corrections to doublethink and reading recommendations to those very book burnings, and there's something so impure about it.
It's multiple layers of delusion
@@shawnsteuer9951 considering the amount of LGBT people Nazis sent to concentration camps, I’d say they cared a lot...
@@shawnsteuer9951 ...What do you think the G in LGBT+ stands for?
@@shawnsteuer9951 what the fuck do you thing the G stands for dumbass?
Are you okay with state imposed burning of books with right wing ideas?
"you know, it's actually the anti-racists who are the real racists"
"can you elaborate on that?"
"no"
Isn’t it weird how conservatives and libertarians conveniently ignore how Orwell was a socialist and actually participated in the revolution in Catalonia.
Not weird at all, they have a history of doing that, they say Martin Luther king was a conservative when he was very much a socialist and continue to say that they are the party of lincoln when lincoln was very much known to be a fan of karl Marx to the point where Marx and lincoln would exchange letters.
It was a Spanish Civil War, he defended a democratic government against a facist putsch. Neither was it a revolution, nor it included Catalonia alone. Know your facts moron.
@@stroqus3830 are you fucking serious? He literally wrote a book called “Homage to Catalonia” where he details how he he fought for the C.N.T. F.A.I., which was an ANARCHIST organization.
There is nothing wrong with being a socialist.
@@chiphill4856 I know, I am one.
Isn’t cancellation what conservatives are always praising the free market for? If you don’t like the way a particular business operates then the market will decide they shouldn’t be able to operate?
Yes that's right and that's why it's up to them to stop complaining and set up their own CNN and NBC etc. We might see things called (say) Facebank and Chatter as unrestricted speech alternatives. They could sink or swim on their merits (if they own their own servers).
But it doesn’t count when someone tries to do it to ME /s
Cancel culture is just the boycott 🤷♂️
Conservatives believe the rules don’t apply to them. That’s for the plebs after all.
Free speech for example is their right to say what they like when they like to who they like, it is not your right to criticise them for it in any way.
This is the point they seem to miss, and it’s so hypocritical! Like Dr. Seuss didn’t get “cancelled” just because people stopped wanting to buy a few of his less savory books.
FUNNY: Conservatives critiquing a dystopia predicted by a known socialist.
Dude fought in Spain didn't he
@@thewingedporpoise he did fight in spain, was wounded there too
And coopting its message to argue AGAINST socialism. Breathtaking.
If Orwell was alive
He’d kill
My tenth grade English teacher had us read Animal Farm, and used it to demonstrate that Orwell was not a socialist. Guess that was wrong.
i mean.... modern america is like, Orwellian, but in the other way then they were saying......
Which is part of it being Orwellian
@@lickificki BDS is targeted in a very Orwellian manner... also the CDC
@@lickificki Honestly every country has power abuse, China is probably the most Orwellian country, especially with how the backdate and rewrite history (like the death toll in Wuhan).
@@Slavaisusukhrystu The surveillance in particular is really alarming
I found that highly ironic. They're the ones doing doublespeak
Every time someone mentions the "far left", ask them to define the term. That will be the end of the conversation, because they either cannot, or will not, give you a definition.
Blm, antifa
@@dploi Those that don't want police to murder black people for no reason with impunity are "far left"? I thought they were simply...moral.
@@racewiththefalcons1 99.9% of people dont want killer cops at all... A political compass would plot the "far left". Can you tell me how you would define the "far left"?
@Madison McWilliams my head, perhaps my community is different but why would anyone want killer cops policing them? I'd suggest left/right are just shorthand, along with being the divide in which the elite use to keep us fighting each other instead of fighting the elite. I'm somewhat radical myself...
It's a relative term so it depends on the context of the political/social problem or infrastructure you're talking about.
*1984 is when government do thing i don't like*
Dave Rubin isn't even saying that. He's legit comparing twitter mobs to a totalitarian regime
and the more thing do, the more 1984er it is
worse, their argument is "1984 is when people on the internet are allowed to say things I don't like"
@@BARRACULA94 and if you do a whooooole lot, then its ORWELLIAN
Yes.
I like how "anti-racism is racism" is literally doublethink
Yeah. In many respects this video (I'm referring to the Dave Rubin video) is absolutely fascinating and disturbing to watch. How can they not understand that they're doing exactly what they're talking about? How unreflected can a person be?
On another note, a lot of the people who claim to be anti racist actually behave in a racist manner.
@@SaschaHusenbeth They know, they're just paid to say otherwise.
@@blink4122 Shh, you're committing a thought crime!
In a world where (systematic) racism has been redefined to be any disparity between racial groups and anti-racism is eliminating that disparity it means taking (or giving) to someone based on their race alone, and yes anti-racism (as the term has been manipulated) is racism.
If leftists didn't manipulate language to suit their ends, you wouldn't be confused.
This is giving me flashbacks to conservatives saying "is this what MLK wanted" without knowing MLK was a democratic socialist lmao
Especially since MLK got more and more left as time went on, and coincidentally Malcolm X got less “extreme” in turn
Hey im liberal but how was mlk a dem socialist?
@@savageshot3723 Excuse me for linking to a Quora page, but this helps explain it all
www.quora.com/Was-Martin-Luther-King-Jr-a-socialist
He was also against abortion. Regardless of the political side, everybody cherry-picks what they want from everyone
@@Jasondavisvids I mean, that wasn't the topic of the comment, it was about how MLK was a socialist
I just love hearing people say "oh boy this is probably gonna get CeNsOrEd" while absolutely no one or nothing is stopping them from saying that
Saying that anti racists are racist is the perfect example of double think
I wouldn't say so; doublethink is about understanding the contradiction between between two statements and still believing them both. These guys are either too ignorant to realize there is any contradiction, or count on the ignorance of others when presenting their stupid arguments (that is, they don't actually believe this nonsense).
Yes because saying people should feel guilt because of the color of their skin is not racist at all.
@Christopher Stanley Yes, if I disagree with you the only explanation is that I'm mindlessly repeating what others have said. There's no possible way I have looked into the topic and could possibly come to a different conclusion than you.
@@jordan5113 you didn't. You watched Dave rubin and now are parroting his factually incorrect conclusion.
@@jordan5113 anti-racism is simply taking actions to combat racism, what's problematic about that?
"The world is terrible, we're doing a great job" is perhaps the most pervasive and disturbing example of conservative double-think.
@@elizabethriley4522 hey how are you I like your name
It's kinda scary how often the right doublethinks, from the "anti-bigots are the real bigots" to "we are libertarians, the most pro-freedom group around, yet we wish to deny freedoms to people."
None of the examples this thread just brought up as double think is actually double think though.
You guys are distorting WHAT they are saying 🙄
I mean just consider this: you can understand a persons point AND still disagree with it.
But you guys don't even understand their actual point 🤦🏻♂️
@@PandemoniumPirateRadio Why don't you say what the point is then
@@Piratewaffle43 Because 99% tells me since you already distorted peoples points you're probably not going to listen to some random stranger explaining them to you either.
If you can't understand what a person says when they are explaining their arguments that's on you. I'm just saying you were distorting those things to mean doublespeak when they're not.
I get HOW you could distort it that way, and that's by not understanding their points. So. How about being less biased next time and be more nuanced when you take in information and you won't have to ask strangers to explain shit to you.
It's the first time I ever heard the idea: "You know what the world of Orwell's 1984 needed? Donald Trump"
Their talking about the 1984 prequel.
It seems to be a current trend for conservatives to read and quote free thinkers, writers and poets of the early 20th century to back up their arguments. Despite the fact that most of them were liberals and anarchists.
And footnotes! Subscribed. I wish more channels would pick up their game.
Because none of that even matters. They need a cheap punchline that sounds very philosophical and heady. They do this with everything. How many times has america been compared to Ancient Rome to show how we are somehow going down the wrong path like the Romans did. Failing to understand anything about the actual history. But they don’t care.
@RifleEyez Who are their modern counterparts in your opinion?
Little known fact that the "Fuck you I wont do what you tell me" line from RATM was actually about taking a potentially life-saving vaccine.
As a trans people I take offense to the implication that I'm not trying to brainwash you.
Buy coke zero.
Will do.
"Ooh, a Coke Zero! You're a true gentleman!" ~ Super Hacker, Steins;Gate
@veevyo but it's Coke zero. It tastes as bad as the corporation that makes it is. Mmm refreshing capitalism induced societal decay.
i literally went out and bought one so thank you
Ok overlord!
1984: written by a socialist describing an authoritarian conservative hellscape.
Rave Dubin's view of 1984: written by an enlightened centrist describing how left bad, conservatism good.
Rubin's brain is so smooth it can be used as a waterslide.
He's controlled-opposition, it's pretty obvious. The guy is gay and a member of the tribe, he's a fake conservative that has no actual conservative views on anything other than economics. Why are you surprised? Just another Ben Shapiro planted to subvert actual conservatism or anything close to it
"You know who could really change the political system? The party that is currently in charge of it. Ever notice how the government keeps trying to push us into this bipartisan system, that doesn't actually achieve any meaningful change, no matter what party is in charge? We should undermine it by putting one of those two parties in charge."
Sublime thinking right there
Sublime right thinking there* ftfy
Talk about double think
Conservatives and not understanding 1984, name a better combo
Peanutbutter and jelly?
Conservatives and misinterpreting absolutely any dystopian media to somehow be in their favor
Biblical literalists and King James Version. Or for that matter, anything besides the oldest available original language sources. But especially KJV.
Prawn and Chicken.
They just did another episode of tHE naZiS aRE LEfT aCTuAllY
I'm so, so tired of explaining fascism to conservatives. They always get confused, then start talking about how the leftists are the real Nazis, and then deflect by rambling about the Frankfurt School (like it's relevant in any way).
"They had left hands! Checkmate, cucks!"
@@jospinner1183 wait what do conservatives get wrong about fascism? I find that both liberals and conservatives have no idea what fascism is, they use it as a broad pejorative term to refer to anything authoritarian when it's actually a nuanced ideology.
@@Nutmegp Conservatives confuse fascism with authoritarianism. They do this when they talk about fascist liberals who want policies they don't agree with, like environmental regulations or freer elections. They think it's fascist when local governments enact mask mandates to slow the spread of COVID-19, because they view it as a unilateral decision and they don't like it.
I agree that most randos on the internet don't understand the nuances of fascism as a political ideology, but it's one of those terms that is easier to misuse if thrown at left-leaning people.
As fascism is an explicitly far-right ideology, if someone calls a right-wing conservative a fascist, there's at least the possibility that they are fascist or fascist-leaning. If someone calls a left-wing liberal a fascist, it's patently absurd because fascism is on the opposite end of the political spectrum and the ideologies are essentially in opposition.
@@jospinner1183 Followed you up until that last paragraph, it's too complex an ideology to describe as far-right and thus to say that confusing conservatives with fascists is less incorrect than confusing liberals with fascists. A lot of the time I find liberals are surprised at how much they have in common with fascist goals and beliefs, there's more common ground with liberals than with establishment conservatives imo. Yes if you're talking about paleo conservatives and people with actual conservative/traditionalist beliefs then there will be more connection with fascism as it values traditionalism and accepts race-realism as fact. The issue is that most of the people you describe as conservative likely aren't conservative in any meaningful way, maybe on economics but fascism is explicitly anti-capitalist. The Overton Window has shifted left and with it most people considered conservative are just centrists that don't like the weird SJW stuff liberals like.
1984 has always been one of the most wildly misinterpreted books of all time. Imagine aligning with the party that passed the Patriot Act and thinking the other guys are the Orwellian ones
Since when are we supposed to believe any politicians are on either party's side? The "figureheads" rarely, if ever, actually represent the professed ideals of any given party. Where the hypocrisy lands is up to interpretation, but the discrepancy is indisputable.
@@maxieprimo2758 It is?
On "the party that passed the Patriot Act":
Only 66 of 208 House Democrats (32%) voted against it, and only 1 of 50 Senate Democrats (2%) voted against it. Both parties passed the PATRIOT Act.
@@maxieprimo2758 Froggatt
“What they needed was a Trump” statement is absolutely astonishing.
He transitioned seamlessly from talking about 1984 to making a statement about how great the dear leader is, in-spite of a failure to provide any connective tissue between the ideas. It’s breathtaking. He didn’t even miss a beat. If that’s not doublethink I don’t know what is.
Big brother is watching him
👏👏👏
Don’t bully poor little Dave, his brain is still in recovery mode from all the high level ideas he’s absorbed through osmosis through his porous skin
lmao
Obligatory Timbah on Toast and The Double Take plug. They have great videos on this man.
Osmosis, I thought he got them as suppositories.
Yes, the poor sod is to daft to know that if his extreme rightwing donors truly would take control. He and his'husband are the first to be transported of to ' re-education camps to make them 'hetero sexual again',.
@@spiritualanarchist8162 Actually I doubt he's that dumb. I'm pretty sure the money is so sweet and savory that he just doesn't care.
"the party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. it was their final, most essential command." -1984
"what you're seeing and what you're hearing is not what's happening." -donald trump
the book 1984 has been banned in the ussr for being too anti-communist, and in jacksonville, florida for being too pro-communist. authoritarianism is the same
Great comment !
underrated gem of a comment
1984 according to DR: "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a bot stamping on the dislike button - forever."
whoa like Black Mirror, deep........
It's really interesting to me how humans manage to fit anything into their own perspective. I watched a video of Tim Pool claiming Squid Games was a critique of Communism when the writer literally says its a critique of capitalism. He addresses this, and calls the creator wrong in his own interpretation of his own work. Here we have two conservatives reading 1984 and making it about the opposite of what it is. Its crazy
It’s the “What do you know sir? You’re just the author” but doing super mental gymnastics in trying to tell said author that they are wrong.
death of the author
Can an author be wrong about the validity of various readings of their work? Sure. Is Squid Games, a series in which people literally play death games and murder each other to try not only to escape debt but to become rich, actually about communism? Holy fuck no. Where do they come up with these takes?
@@joshridinger3407
Reminds me of the Schrodinger's Spongebob meme:
"We cannot know if Spongebob is alive or dead until we open the box."
_"I make crabby patties --"_
*"Shut up!"*
"Freedom is the ability to say two plus two is four, and also deny the identities of trans people." Definitely not a contradiction of ideas at all
I actually laughed so hard I couldn't click the Like button =D
And to say 2+2 is three
@@JohnnyThousand605 I laughed as well, but not as much as when they said 2 + 2 does not equal 4 because of racism. That was truly hilarious!
If people did not have the ability to deny the identities of trans people, wouldn't it also be true that people would lack the reciprocal ability to accept the identities of trans people?
Can we all just pretend Prager U just doesn’t exist for like a month as a species? They get wilder everyday
@Jhalmuriম্যাটার No they're great, but I don't think that was the point he was trying to make. lol
Everytime I saw that poster hanging behind ol' what's-his-name, I found myself angry-sighing _"Noooo..."_ I know why it's hanging there, but _why?_
can we all just subscribe to Gravel Institute and forget PragerU ever existed
foxgloved so far what they’ve released is fire I recommend anyone who hasn’t seen them to check them out!
@@sluttymctits4496 dennis pragers face makes my blood pressure go up. also ur username is great.
I get serious michael scott energy when rubin is like "get rid of bad books ....... 1984."
"Maybe the guy in favor of covering is in even more shit will come by and clean up all the fecal matter"
"Why. Is. Our. Society. So. Orwellian?" he sputtered between frantic bootlicks
So JK Rowling (multibillionaire), Drew Brees (currently an NFL starting QB), Kevin Hart (successful comedian who executive produced an entire TV series this year), and Woodrow Wilson (dead) are PragerU's best examples of cancel culture? That's extremely weak
A better example would be the cancellation of the Dixie Chicks, who literally were canceled right after offending Bush. Wonder why PragerU didn´t use them as an example.
Getting cancelled is a profitable grift. Would love to get me some of that sweet cancellation money.
Poor, poor Woodrow. All he did was defend his culture and heritage of rampant racist terrorism, and he only got to be president for it. He's like the Bin Laden of the right 😪, if "the left" had a Bin Laden. Bin Laden is the Bin Laden of the right.
JK Rowling, a multibillionaire so cancelled that her next book is actually going to be a transphobic hate novel.
@@Levyathyn it literally isn't. There is no mention of transgenderism. There is a single line saying the serial killer cross-dressed once. Stop spewing bullshit
This book is really low key tragically beautiful, Winston just wants the freedom to love who he loves, have his own personhood, and the ability to think for himself. True total power can't allow that to exist, and these fucknuts lack the imagination to realize they're literally reproducing the same thought process when it comes to trans issues and creating this cancel culture boogie man.
The whole J.K Rowling thing has shown to me that "cancel culture" is an excuse. She isn't being cancelled she's being criticized. Screams of her being cancelled is simply a tool being used to silence criticism. And that is a bad thing. People want to silent criticism, and claiming "I'm being cancelled" is a way to do it.
she might be actively making money off of the disenfranchisement of trans people with her shitty little crime novels written under the nomme de plume of a conversation therapist. but no, some people were mean to her on twitter, so she’s the real victim here guys!
It amazes me that she cried about how shes being censored and then threatens to sue a publication for writing a negative article about her to get them to take it down.
www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/23/childrens-news-website-apologises-jk-rowling-trans-tweet-day
People like this are not sincere and are taking advantage of the real problems those who actually face censorship have to deal with. Its a dumb clout game for rich bored people whose speech isn’t interesting enough on its own if they don’t pretend like its being censored
Cancel culture doesn't tend to truly prejudice the rich and powerful, but there are small fish who've lost their jobs over saying some stupid thing.
@@georgesprat9697 i think social media moderation needs to improve. i don’t think people deserve to lose their jobs over transphobic comments online (unless they happen to be harassing a trans person in the workplace, which isn’t unlikely), but they sure as hell deserve to lose their twitter.
the worst part is she never even got cancelled she’s still rich and unbothered
I would love to talk about cancel culture with Rubin, and then bring up the following:
- Joseph McCarthy
- The moral majority
- The satanic panic
- The Parents Music Resource Center
- The Dixie Chicks
- The unbridled rage about kneeling NFL players
@Kosch KX
I know he wasn't involved with and maybe wouldn't have supported these things.
All I'm doing is pointing out historical examples of right-wing "cancel culture". Just to make the point that it's not just a left-wing thing.
And Ruben should know this better than anyone, given the multiple decades-long efforts of the past to "cancel" gay people.
@Kosch KX About McCarthy and socialism: Socialism isn't that bad.
That list is way too short.
Janet Jackson and Howard Stern got cancelled so hard by conservatives that the FCC changed their rules.
@Kosch KX this ignores the fact that McCarthy basically turned the word into a slur to be slung at people he didn't like, that socialism is different from what most Americans believe the word to mean (aka a vague dictatorship that dislikes capitalism and did a bad thing), and that the guy's crusade was about as ferocious albeit less deadly than the Salem Witch Trials and bagged a lot of innocent people who just weren't "patriotic" enough. Also, of you're gonna argue against the left, maybe find something a little more substantive than identity politics. You are not every single immigrant and Dave Rubin is not every single progressive gay/LGBTQA+ person. If a movement stresses holding the support of every single person in a particular demographic, they will spend too much time courting said individuals to influence policy in a way that helps said groups or other equally important and underprivileged groups.
Reality: Right wing extremism making a comeback in Europe and increasing even more than it already has in America.
Dave Rubin: The reality is that it's this left wing extremism thing.
This hit a lot different after his party made a failed attempted at an insurrection, and are still playing the victim
I really fail to see your so called «reality»
There arent any right with extremsit governments in Europe. And the reason right wing extremism is increasing is because of left wing extremism and i am happy to show you evidence for it. Sweden os a perfect example.
@@eh712 Openly admitting you fail to see reality, while simultaneously saying right wing extremism isn't real but is also "completely justified" because of something that actually isn't real is just... Grade A right wing nujub, goodjob. Keep converting for the left wing cause by quacking about your imagined realities liking a dang lunatic over here.
@@ThrottleKitty I fail to see reality because left wing extremists are the ones doing the so called «cancel culture» , left wing extremists are the ones who are erasing history.
I never said right wing extremism wasnt real i said there werent any governments in Europe who are right wing extremists.
Now if you actually look at a country like Sweden you can clearly see that left wing extremism is Whats turning people to right wing extremism. Look at SD (Sverige demokraterna) a party that hadnt gotten ANY attention BEFORE 2014. Many if the new supporters had been life long supporters of the social democrat party (s), but were fed up with left wing extremism and Stefan löfven politics in general. Btw Löfven proudly called himself the first FEMINIST government😂. You left wing but Jobs crack me up.
How could any modern person read 1984 and think of “cancel culture” rather than companies like Amazon or Google.
Because amazon and google dont make laws. Amazon specifically figures out ways to give people what they want. Doesn't tell you what to think. Cancel culture does tho
@@jeremiahsymonette4781 Lol you are the most naive person in existence if you think that. What do you think lobbyists are? Their entire job is incentivizing lawmakers to work on the behalf of companies like those, rather than on behalf of their constituents. You have a very cute view of the world if you think companies are just trying to help people.
@@jeremiahsymonette4781 sure, because of course (!) a few people in twitter tweeting about celebrities are more powerful than international multi billion dollar companies which have ties to CIA, sure buddy! 🤡
@@honeybellebuzlucay5867 a few??? Try millions with pitchfork mentalities, bozo. These companies bow to mobs not the other way around. Companies are neutral on most issues because all they want is money. Until the people (employees and consumers) turn mob and put pressure on them. Pay more attention before you get sarcastic and use ya lil emoji's, u jackass
@@jeremiahsymonette4781 oh how respectful!!! You are very different from the mobs you criticize!😘🤗💕❤️🌼😘😘😚 What a wonderful world you must live in where lobbying doesn't exist, the biggest threat to people being angry twitter people (which is far less people than you make out them to be!!😘😚😩💕❤️) such an intellectual who absolutely doesn't use emojis!! What a blasphemy it would be to use such vulgar language 😩😱😩☠️💢 instead you swear like a true scholar!! 🤠😇⚡⭐🎉😾😽❤️💫👹😽😿
The right trying to reclaim Orwell is almost DoubleSpeak itself.
to some it is a book of fiction, to others it is a manual.
And to some it is proving an inexistent target over them.
Reclaim? It was never theirs to begin with
@@dontworryhouston you're right, claim would be a better word.
Exactly!
These guys must be highly intelligent: Instead of understanding and considering other viewpoints, they do all kinds of mental backflips to interpret their prejudices as facts. That takes a mental power I don't think I can muster.
A mental *misuse* of power!
And I'm sure Big Joel a beacon of reaching out to those he disagrees with and having meaningful dialogue.
@@jordan5113 there is no meaningful dialogue with bigots
@@beefstew4721 Jordan, this is an unscripted reaction video, not a debate.
But, beef stew, I had wanted to send this video to my very very anti-SJW friend, but this video is so informal and sorta niche that I can't, so.... I get where Jordan is coming from.
@@beefstew4721 Um, if one considers themselves above talking with people they disagree with, who is the bigot?
Imagine being so daft you can interpret someone advising you read more diverse literature as “burn the literature!”
Thank you. None of these conservatives read about the history of other countries, their lifestyle, different cultures. No wonder they're so close-minded.
@@adwaitab.3622 You’d have to be literate to do that. I doubt many conservatives have mastered that skill
@@alexwildner6369 They literally read at a 6th grade level or lower. They're fucking stupid. It's so simple it's infuriating.
The burning books part isn’t even 1984. Thats Fahrenheit 451
Also Bradburry actually belived in cancel culture so it would be more fitting (no, really, in the book, that's how the government policy started; not saying he was right tho).
They're so obsessed with 1984 they can't consider any other book, why do they never seem to think of A Brave New World ?
@@sjstronghold9238 ikr ABNW is dope for Right wing peeps
And that's about cultural anti-intellectualism, not institutional power.
Remember that one time when the world used cancel culture on Germany in the 1940s? Smh has cancel culture gone too far
I remember when those SJWs landed on the beaches of Normandy and started virtue signalling all over the place.
So does nobody else remember that part in 1984 where Winston reads a communist book and it inspires him to rebel against the government?? Where history is described in terms of class struggle and Winston thinks about how, if only the "proles" would band together and rise up, they could easily defeat Big Brother?? Does nobody else remember this??
"If there was hope, it must lie in the proles"
i dont think it was meant to be communist exactly as orwell was opposed to communist regimes he was more of a democratic socialist
@@S.D.323You should maybe do some reading about what communism is.
@@MrGoldfish8 my input on this is that communism is taken to mean ussr-type communism nowadays but that Marx's communist manifesto was not like that and was closer to what we call socialism, this seems to lead to confusion sometimes
@@tombrandis2866
I keep telling people it's like if every time I used the word _democracy_ people went, "Wait -- like they do in North Korea?!? That's really bad though!"
So frustrating.
Also for screaming that they're being silenced
I still hear them a lot
"We're being silenced" damn bro I wish it worked 😭
likewise terfs, especially in the uk, are having their right to question the validity of trans people's very existence, violently suppressed. at least, that's what they keep telling me in all their op-eds for the national newspapers/on national radio/tv/etc.
its been going on for years, the silence is getting louder
“Ah yes. The only way to break up the false choices of american politics and ideologies, we must continue to follow the guy who’s done nothing but reinforce and highlighted that falsehood of politics where everyone else is powerless and they rich alwaysstay in control no matter how much of a cartoon character the “elected” leader is.
I've heard people say "decolonize your bookshelf", and I've always assumed it was a call to read MORE diverse books, and broaden one's horizons to understand different opinions and worldviews
No the phrase means you have to stop occupying your bookshelf and exploiting it for economic gain.
"They're banning books - 1984"
Me from Britain: "Yes the right wing Conservative Government is banning books in school. Including 1984 - because it's anti-capitalist"
Your point?????
Both Animal Farm and 1984 are criticizing Soviet Russia.
@@robfromvan animal farm and 1984 criticizes authoritarianism generally and soviet russia specifically
Mikhail G Animal Farm is criticizing the Soviet Government. Under socialism all kinds of corruption happens as can be seen currently in Venezuela. Normally under capitalism the people who become rich are people like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates who invent a product everyone wants and people voluntarily hand over their money to get that product that only that person knows how to make. Under socialism the people who become rich are the political elites. In Venezuela Hugo Chavez' daughter is a billionaire. This in a country where people are killing and eating their pets and also zoo animals. How did she get rich? Did she invent the iPhone? Facebook? Microsoft Windows? No. This is tax money that has been extracted by force from private citizens under law and threat of imprisonment. So Hugo Chavez' daughter has collected this tax money from people who have worked hard to earn it, whereas Steve Jobs gets his money from people who voluntarily hand it over to get an IPhone. Not too mention that the bureaucracy and degree of regulation is so high that to get anything done politicians need to be bribed. So this corruption that happens under socialism is what George Orwell is making fun of in Animal Farm.
@@robfromvan I don't think Orwell had a hate boner towards socialism seeing as how he was a demsoc for most of his life.
@@robfromvan you know he was a socialist right
trans person here. i am absolutely trying to brainwash everyone
I’ve only ever met one trans person in my life. I think the republicans and the democrats whip people into hysteria over these issues because deep down they offer people nothing.
@@theoracle7148 Trans person here. We just want to live in peace but unfortunately we're getting dragged into spotlight. Conservatives really love to use fearmongering and right now we're all the rage 🤣
@@juliawolf156 all right wing politics is based off of fear of the minority and upholding current power paradigms. It's disgusting
You and glad.
Pop.
I heard your bubble bust
@@prsplayer210 all left wing politics is about shutting down the viewpoints of black conservatives.
We can't be freeing minds now, can we?
I love how Joel fucking destroys PragerU and then just goes "so that's the end of the videooo" like it's nothing.
The very idea that Trump would break fascism shows their ignorance. When Dave Rubin said that, I felt a chill combined with a wave of nausea.
Trump would break fascism, like when he tried to overthrow the government (kinda like what every other totalitarian has done)
Why are all of these talking points sounding like my dad? “NEXT THE BIBLES ARE BURNED, CHLOE! JUST LIKE IN 1984!!!!” Rubin is an instant headache.
This but my mom. So fucking obnoxious
Instant migraine for me. With that being said, listening to the empty, Ill-informed, and incoherent "high level ideas" Rubin spews makes me pray that someone will do what's right and shoot me directly in the face. As I see it, being shot in the face is probably less painful than the migraine I always get from trying to follow Dave's low level logic.
I was so glad they were getting to the point and then Rubin hit the “trump is the new anti-politician”, and I hit the fattest eye roll
They came within *inches* of actually getting the book, then took a sharp U-turn at the last second.
An incredible example of doublethink really