BB pushing Brady out was the greatest blessing to Brady’s legacy because it allowed him to destroy any belief that “the system” is why he was winning. That debate would still be going if he retired in NE.
Brady covered up Belichick’s faults, especially as Gm. As a pats fan i still cant get over taking Dobson over Allen, Michel over Chubb, Harry over ALL those guys in 2019 to name a few.
Belichick always pick a swiss army knife over a sharp one. He thinks a player playing multiple positions is more valuable than someone who is great at one thing. He looked like a genius when he had Brady. Now that he is gone, he has been exposed as a bad GM and H.C. All he is is just a great defensive coach, nothing more, nothing less.
Bill’s pride got in the way of them winning probably at least one more title. But i’m glad it did because the Bucs got him. i still can’t believe my favorite team got Tom Brady for a few years.
As a Pats fan, we’re the place for Veterans to stop by before being driven into retirement. But for (very limited) young talent we’re interested in, they will flourish
Rex Ryan won 4 playoff games with Mark Sanchez Doug pederson won a Super Bowl with nick foles belichick is a joke . Lovie smith made a Super Bowl with Rex Grossman Bill belichick is the worst cosch in nfl history
The fact that Belichick thought it was a good idea to let the man who was largely responsible for pulling off a 25 point comeback in the SB walk will forever be wild to me.
When Dan named that list super fast was dope lol then when Shannon came back and said “all them left and Tom Brady stayed AND THEY STILL WON” was a beautiful back to back
I stopped believing Bellichick was a great coach when he cost us that second SB against the Eagles by benching Butler. I still can't get over the fact that Nick Foles beat us. Jeez!!!
That was the second time he benched a key player. The 1st time was in the playoff against the JETS. Welker made fun of Rex Ryan's foot fetish in an interview the week before the game. And he was benched in the beginning of the game. That ruined the timing and chemistry of the whole offense and they ended up losing that playoff game. It's amazing how he did not learn his lesson by benching Butler in the SB. He always preached about doing everything to give the team the best chance of winning, yet he did the opposite. If that's not the definition of a bad H.C, then I don't know what is.
@@JohnSmith-nj4zqbenching those players probably set a precedent that prevented other things from happening potentially leading to them winning games they would have otherwise lost
Shannon wasnt correct tho.. Brady always had powerhouse teams and that isnt to take away from Tom he's clearly the goat but what Shannon said just isnt true.
🤣🤣 I read your comment, asked myself: "what is he talking about?" and less than 2 seconds after, I heard her statement and everyone's reaction. 🤣🤣 Please just leave my Molly in peace.
Good coach, yes, but he’s not great anymore. They’re horribly undisciplined and a great coach/GM whatever doesn’t make a defensive coordinator and special teams coach his offensive coaches
Without Brady there’s no belief in that locker room; if they got blown out like they did yesterday with Brady there’s no doubt everyone will still believe they going to the Super Bowl
He went to 10 SBs in 21 seasons. That's like flipping a coin and getting it right 1/2 of the time. Of course those players in the locker room believe in their leader. The leader had always been Brady. Everyone just thought of Belichick as that old man always nagging. They are just ignoring him now. That's called losing the locker room and either time for him to retire or coach another team.
@@JohnSmith-nj4zq comparing a janitor to the Defensive coordinator 😂😂😂 not just any but one of the greatest of all time. Even Bill Parcells has said bellichecks game plan against the bills was the important factor in then winning that superbowl… you might have made the most ignorant comment in the history of people talking football 😂😂😂anyone who knows the history of the league knows how important bill Bellicheck was to those giants teams
@@JohnSmith-nj4zq I knew some nitwit like u would come along n make that comment n not know the history and story behind bill and that giant team😂😂😂 everybody in that organization always says how critical he was to them winning
Rex Ryan won 4 playoff games with Mark Sanchez Doug pederson won a Super Bowl with nick foles belichick is a joke . Lovie smith made a Super Bowl with Rex Grossman Bill belichick is the worst cosch in nfl history
Brady’s leadership is also missing from that locker room. People believe they can win with Brady, often rising up in the biggest moments. However, the patriots nowadays are just playing as a job.
exactly! this ain't the early 2000s anymore, you can't just find good talent for cheap anymore.. YOU HAVE TO PAY TO PLAY! and Bill has always been known to be a cheapskate
Had Belichick retired after the Pats last SB people would have said he was the GOAT coach. Now most are saying he won because of Brady. His legacy took a hit.
Very true! But I’m glad that he didn’t retire so that we could all see the truth and not speculate. Now we all see that it was Brady all along. Not BB.
You also can’t ignore his record before Brady. You have to put it all together. The man is 80-90 with 7 out of 10 losing seasons without Brady. Very few coaches would last 10 seasons with a cumulative record below .500.
Wasn’t he on the browns tho? I’m a pats fan that knows Brady was the team but even then which coach could actually help out the browns around those times?
How is he capping for Bill belichick when it was Bill belichick who helped develop and put Tom Brady as the starter when everybody was clamoring for Drew bledsoe, I'm young enough to remember all of that. It was an extremely controversial move by Bill belichick. At the time people thought that he was crazy for doing that. If that didn't happen, do you really think Tom Brady would have gotten an opportunity anywhere else?
@@flyguy7825 Yes Brady would have been great on any team he should have been a 1st Rd pick scouts are dumb. And yes not putting Bledsoe was a little controversial but they were 5-13 with Bledsoe and Brady went 11-3 after taking over the same team so was really a no brainer
primetime called this 5 years ago in undisputed, in front of Shay. and I quote "he (Brady) would still win a SuperBowl without Belichick, and Belichick wouldn't"
Tom did walk into the perfect situation with a stacked team and then got gifted the Super Bowl when KC had to field one of the worst Olines in NFL history but the reality is Bill got old and lost his touch. Once he decided to make Patricia his O coordinator it was obvious he's going senile.
@Paul-vf2wl Manning walked onto a stacked Broncos Team in 2012, and despite that 43-8 A**-WHOOPING that Seattle gave him in SB48, he won a SB in 2015 with Denver. You're the type to hold Tampa's talent over Brady to delegitamize him while not holding Peyton Manning to the same standard with Denver, and worse, will excuse that 35 point loss he suffered in SB48.
@@joeruiz4010 Why? I think Peyton is a playoff choker too who only won 2 rings because he got to play against 2 QBs who choked even harder than him so go play with yourself.
HE NEVER SAID BRADY WASN'T GOOD. HIS PROB WAS SKIP MAKING IT SEEM LIKE HE WAS IN A LEAGUE DIFF FRM UNC/which is not true. At one point, UNC was the best @his position & Skip made it seem like he was a waterboy.
@@N.a.j.i. don't think that was the problem. pretty sure it was just cuz skip loves brady so much he was willing to take shots at his co host because skip is that petty and insecure when it comes to losing a debate/his favorite players get criticism from shannon
I’m a lifelong patriots fan. I’ve been through the ups and downs with this team. For my entire life I always defended Bill in the Brady vs Bill argument. I was wrong. That entire 20 year domination was Tom. The last 3 years I’ve seen countless occasions where coaching lost us the game. He’s not as clever as we all thought we was. I hope we move off of him soon.
@@andrewlee2194 With Belichick, your team will never be the worst, because his defense will win you 4-8 games, depending on how hard or how easy schedule is. But your team will go nowhere, because he is a garbage on offense. Enjoy it?
The more we see THESE type of performances outta the Pats, the better Brady looks when we look back at the dynasty Also, the way all their faces dropped when Molly chimed in at the end was gold
Well of course. An elite QB will always be more impactful than a great coach. Bills a great coach but you still need a QB and players to execute the plays.
the Inner Brady fan in me is kind of dare I say "glad" its kind of unfolding like this. im a Pats fan by heart by ive been saying to the nay sayers for 15 YEARS Brady was NO DANG SYSTEM QB..he WAS the system and engine that made players around him better. Belichick GM has always not done enough on offense to get Brady legit weapons, Brady simply was that special to cover up Belichicks defciencies and not wanting to pay for premium offensive players (unless theyve drafted them) I love it cuz now people are realizing Brady had more to do with thr success than Belichick did. Period
Rex Ryan won 4 playoff games with Mark Sanchez Doug pederson won a Super Bowl with nick foles belichick is a joke . Lovie smith made a Super Bowl with Rex Grossman Bill belichick is the worst cosch in nfl history
He's a system QB in a different sense.Brady wasn't groomed naturally his first 7 seasons, Patriots already gave him the answers to the test and bill expand on it when when was groom through spygate.
@@kamisama660 Id10t, in early 2000s, with the shitty squad, Brady had to give Pats first round bye, deliver winning drives in big games, and score 24 or more in back to back playoff games.
A lot of things are connected. I’m glad you admitted that lowkey you are glad that the Pats are losing so that will boast the argument that it was all Brady. There are fans that want the packers to lose to boast that it’s all Aaron Rodgers.
Brady and Manning are the defining QBs of the last 25 years. As of now, they are the only proven QBs that their presence alone changes the makeup of your culture and entire organization. They left and went to other organizations and completely changed the identity of those franchises. It’s insane
@@pointyheadYT Neither Mahomes nor Burrow have proven anything. Mahomes was drafted to a team that was already a playoff contender with Alex Smith. Plus, Reid had already made it to a super bowl as the Eagles coach with Donovan McNabb.
Some of us already knew for the longest period of time that Tom Brady made up for whatever deficiencies were on those Pats teams through the years but I guess others are finally realizing how important and impactful Tom Brady was for all those years.
Belichick was always overrated to me. Easy to be a great DC with LT. Lost before Brady and after Brady. Must be nice to win Superbowls with the GOAT Edge Rusher and QB (the most impactful positions) and get all the credit
@@PaulWeezy50 that's like a robber making fun of you for not having your money after robbing your bank. stephen a is full of it, ahem ahem* max kellerman and TO drama ahem ahem*
A great comparison is when LeBron left Cleveland the first time. Cleveland struggled and was constantly in the top picks in The NBA draft. A franchise or coach can't start losing and can't make the playoffs because one player leaves. People can't say that has nothing to do with the struggles of the coach and franchise. You can name any player you want to, but if one great consists player stays and the team keeps winning. Then the great consists player leaves and the coach and franchise start losing. You have to admit losing them is the reason why.
I think it’s a mix. Without Brady, Bill would’ve been out the league a long time ago but without Bill, Brady might’ve never gotten a chance nor would’ve had such a disciplined team around him
I'm convinced that Brady would have led the Jaguars or Browns to the playoffs. People forget that he was drafted by a team that went 5-11 in 2000. He won with below average receivers and a decent defense.
@@PhilosopherRyan I don't know how people can call his defense scary good when it needed Brady to get first round bye, to deliver winning drives and score 24 ore more in back to back playoff games. I guess only dumbfooks still think so.
@@xavierb9061 The Patriots started 2001 with a 1-2 record. Brady was never carried by any team in his career. He was always doing the carrying. Neither the Patriots nor Bucs will appear in a super bowl for a long time. That speaks volumes.
@@kingcheddar5966 let belichek join the cowboys or 49ers to make it fair. Brady left and was on better team he had antonio brown evans, gronk, maybe you forgot
Shannon won this debate. Spoelstra still has a lot of success without Lebron and Wade. I didn't expect bill to win championships but i expected so much more than this.
Belicheck made the biggest mistake of his career by driving Tom away. Had Brady retired in New England there would remain a massive number of people that believe the dynastic success was 50-50 Brady-Belicheck. Had Brady not immediately won a superbowl in Tampa that belief would likely persist. It's just wild to me how far public perception of Belicheck has changed.
@@ayoolou9392 no they aren't winning without him either but that just tells you the problem is bigger than one player. He didn't make much difference his last year with them
The fact that Belichick thought HE was the reason for that dynasty is the real joke here. Now did he play a huge role? Of course. He brought and designed that Pats winning system, but TB12 was THE system. Nothing works without a generational/franchise talent leading the line. Bill thinking he could just get rid of Tom and keep it pushing was crazy. To add insult to injury, Brady went out and won another right after 😂
When Shannon was with Skip, he cared more about being right than telling the truth. It goes to show, you never know when these dudes are really being objective or just trying not to be wrong.
Bellichick has been exposed after Brady left, Shula won most of the games in 1972 with a back up QB and then won the superbowl with greise, and then broke a bunch of records with Marino, Shula won with 3 different quarterbacks, bellichick without Brady is just an average coach and a below average talent evaluator, he got lucky with Brady
If you see any of dans arguments, he never bad mouths any NFL player or organization. Not because he’s a stand up guy (which he is) but he knows he’ll be a head coach some where soon. Don’t want to risk talking about someone that can give him a job.
It's crazy because when you ask players that been in the league majority been saying it was Brady but ppl kept saying otherwise especially ppl who never played
Wherever, whenever and with whomever Brady has played, at any level, he won. And won. And won. And won. And won some more. Wherever, whenever and whomever Belichick has coached, Brady notwithstanding, he lost. And lost. And lost. And lost. And lost some more.
Ahhhhhh VICTORY!! Shannon finally opening his eyes and realizing the greatness of Tom Brady. Shannon has already said he was the best player in the history of the nfl but he still would question him because of Bill. Now he realizes he is even greater than even he thought when he already thought he was the greatest player. Pigs grew wings today!!!! Welcome to the club Shannon!
"but he still would question him because of Bill." nah im pretty sure it's because of skip 😂. cuz skip gotta be like the the town bard when it comes to talking about brady, all the embelishments and exaggerations.
Bill is a great head coach but he should not be a GM or be able to make personnel decisions for the team. He has too much influence and power in the organization and Pats need to start from scratch after this season.
Tom Brady doesn’t have a ego he just delivers….Bill showed he had a ego once he benched Malcolm butler over words as they say that ruined the team, Gronk said it the team was salty after that lost
Dan orlowski mentioning gronk and all those other great players means nothing. In fact all it means is Bill belichick can't draft an offense worth a s***, not only that his biggest pieces of defense that he drafts. He had several chances to get Jimmy garoppolo back, that might have made the difference cuz he proved he could win with garoppolo.
I dont know why these talking heads are surprised, the fans have been telling them IT WAS TOM NOT BILL! Even the fans in New England where pointing out Bill's record without Tom. Bill was going to get canned before Tom Brady stepped in.
(Molly) `I like to see Bill go somewhere else (Everyone Else) `Looks at her like she`s crazy` (Molly) No, I want to see him go somewhere else and have a fresh start **ESPN Cuts off the video** 😂😂🤣🤣
No one can argue Belichick’s knowledge. However, his motivational speeches are questionable. It seems Tom gave the Patriots the motivation and drive while Bill did the play design.
with the shitty squad, Brady had to give Pats first round bye, deliver winning drives in big games, and score 24 or more in back to back playoff games.
@@Deerjason Absolutely, Bill is that grumpy old man. Who would listen to him and be motivated. With Psycho Tom, you can get behind him and ride that emotion.
The QB is the most impactful position in ALL of sports & its not even close. Maybe the pitcher in baseball is a close 2nd, but they don't pitch every game. Tom won with Tampa because that was an incredible squad top to bottom, who only needed a qb. We all saw the wheels start to fall off in NE in 2019 when they faded near the end & embarrassingly lost to the Titans at home in the wildcard round.
What a lot of people fail to realize Brady took so many pay cuts “BRADY” so what do you think any other hot shot player is going too do, selflessness Brady will go down as the all time greatest player ever, players are greedy real deal team player
When you hear Brady talk about Bill, he's got nothing but respect for him as a coach despite all the "drama" they went through. I think that speaks volumes. His coaching legacy shouldn't take a hit. Belichick is still a good coach and a great football mind, but with that being said, coaches coach and players play. He doesn't have the horses or should I say THE horse anymore. All this says to me is how great TB was, but we already knew that.
Tom Brady is the most gracious re-affirming positive person in the WORLD. He does not say anything bad about anyone. He has more than proven that with an a-hole like BeliDork. BeliDork is NOT a great coach. He is a greedy, lying, selfish, vindictive megalomaniac. He believes in belittling/denigrating a player verbally. Negatively pressuring them mentally and relentlessly minimizing them financially. Not to mention he takes great pleasure in embarrassing them privately and publicly. Those are not qualities of a great coach. Patriot players hated BeliDork but love Brady. They didn't believed in Belidork, they BELIEVED in Tom. Y'all keep making excuses for Dork, even after he went out and spent 310 MILLION dollars in FA, you say he doesn't have the horses. lmbo. He's just a mediocre coach and a terrible person. His horses cannot wait to leave. They are all (agholor, meyers, etc) producing well somewhere else.
Reminds me of SKIP and SHANNON… *Skip is Belichick* *Shannon is Tom Brady* he won without Skip …now we see why undisputed was relavant…because of Shannon Sharpe not Skip
Bellichek prob would’ve won with a lot of QBs early on, but after 07 it was 80% Brady every year they won. I still think Bill gets 20% cuz Brady never won without an elite defense and Brady also lost 2 SBs cuz he couldn’t outscore Eli
@@sakthithanigai5036 Coaching skill doesn't fall off with age (unless you're senile). So if he would have won early on he would have been winning after Brady. Belichick's coaching only works when you have someone like Brady on the field. It doesn't matter if he lost to Eli. Eli isn't even close to the GOAT debate. Brady is the GOAT.
which roster was better: The 2020 bucs with Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Antonio Brown, Rob Gronkowski, Tristan Wirfs, Leonard Fournette, Devin White, Lavante David, JPP, Shaq Barrett, Vita Vea, Antonio Winfield. Or the 2020 Patriots with N'Keal Harry, James White, Sony Michel, Dont'a Hightower, and Lawrence Guy
@@JoshuaEdwards977 Belichick the idiot always needs *high QUARLITY plays from his QB with a CHEAP squad.* That is what Brady had done for him since 2001, that is how Pats won the first 3 SB.
I believe Belichick the coach is still a championship coach. It is much harder for an entire team to start over and regain championship level status after losing their superstar player than it is for a singular superstar player to win again. Belichick the GM however…. he’s the hindrance that’s ruining Belichick the coach
He wasn't wrong. He's living in the moment. Brady was absolutely a great player and essential to their success. But he's just one guy. The fact that Bill was able to accumulate talent and coach guys to play at a level that they couldn't play anywhere else is a testament to his greatness.
Shannon should have admitted this argument with Skip Bayless. And apologize to Skip for being wrong for 7 years with him on the other side of their table.
Brady should’ve won 2 championships with the Bucs. If Antonio Brown didn’t go crazy in year 2, the Bucs would’ve beaten the Rams that year. They almost did with only 1 healthy receiver.
Shannon leaves Skip and has no problem giving a Brady confessional 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yep your so rt
yea without skip "hater" bayless around Shannon can be himself finally and truly express himself
Towards the end of his time at Fox, Shannon starting coming around and admitting to Skip that Belichick wasn’t key to the dynasty.
If he continue to double down and triple down, he would become a bigger joke. He was already a joke to begin with.
BB pushing Brady out was the greatest blessing to Brady’s legacy because it allowed him to destroy any belief that “the system” is why he was winning. That debate would still be going if he retired in NE.
And ended Mahomes debates early.
@@df6148 yeah it was basically like if MJ stuck around for a couple more years and beat Lebron in the finals in his 40s.
@@shadowwylde Exactly. That would’ve been amazing to see lol. Brady wasn’t about to let the next Stud start that debate 😂 Gronk too!
True
His first 3peat, people can argue him being a system qb but 2011and forward (and the 07 season), tom brady has been the best qb in the nfl.
Shout out to Shannon for admitting when he's wrong on something, we need more of this man on TV!
yeah skip could never do that
@@TheAireaidLord rent free
Something Skip is unwilling to do.
Well he was wrong years ago what difference does it make?
Only took him after 7 years of hating on Brady week after week to admit it Lmao
Brady covered up Belichick’s faults, especially as Gm. As a pats fan i still cant get over taking Dobson over Allen, Michel over Chubb, Harry over ALL those guys in 2019 to name a few.
Harry over d.k. metcalf is crazy
Sony over Lamar 😂 what a joke
@@Laidback718as a patriot fan that draft still annoy me .they could of got Metcalf and aj brown
Belichick always pick a swiss army knife over a sharp one. He thinks a player playing multiple positions is more valuable than someone who is great at one thing. He looked like a genius when he had Brady. Now that he is gone, he has been exposed as a bad GM and H.C. All he is is just a great defensive coach, nothing more, nothing less.
@@JohnSmith-nj4zqthis is one of the best analogies to describe to describe Bill Belichick's terrible draft picks I've ever seen.
It’s time to accept the simple fact that Bill needed Tom more than Tom needed Bill.
Bill’s pride got in the way of them winning probably at least one more title. But i’m glad it did because the Bucs got him. i still can’t believe my favorite team got Tom Brady for a few years.
Spot on and I'll add Tim Duncan and Gregg Poppovich to the list
U forgot bill won 2 rings b4 tom? Both are all time great
@@eazeydun866 True, but there's a massive difference. Popovich gives heaps of praise to Duncan and does not try to distance himself from Duncan.
@@DemPilafian Now this is true, their relationship is more what I'd expect after working with a top 10 playerhis whole career.
Without Tom no one wants to play for the patriots 😂😂
Sadly you’re right 😔
As a Pats fan, we’re the place for Veterans to stop by before being driven into retirement.
But for (very limited) young talent we’re interested in, they will flourish
Rex Ryan won 4 playoff games with Mark Sanchez Doug pederson won a Super Bowl with nick foles belichick is a joke . Lovie smith made a Super Bowl with Rex Grossman Bill belichick is the worst cosch in nfl history
Exactly
@@Alex-sf9bo pederson also had a team stacked with talent as well
The fact that Belichick thought it was a good idea to let the man who was largely responsible for pulling off a 25 point comeback in the SB walk will forever be wild to me.
It's as wild as Pop benching Duncan in the final moments of game 6
@@dkmrap1facts
Ego blinds the best of us.
What’s wild is the defense didn’t allow a point
EGO. Bill thinks he made Brady
When Dan named that list super fast was dope lol then when Shannon came back and said “all them left and Tom Brady stayed AND THEY STILL WON” was a beautiful back to back
First take since Shannon joined >
@@kentond19 no cap
Yup and he got quiet after that statement, because it’s true; 12 has lesser capable players on the roster and still won.
@@matrixfan23 facts
missed it the first time, wow, that was great!!
I stopped believing Bellichick was a great coach when he cost us that second SB against the Eagles by benching Butler. I still can't get over the fact that Nick Foles beat us. Jeez!!!
That was the second time he benched a key player. The 1st time was in the playoff against the JETS. Welker made fun of Rex Ryan's foot fetish in an interview the week before the game. And he was benched in the beginning of the game. That ruined the timing and chemistry of the whole offense and they ended up losing that playoff game. It's amazing how he did not learn his lesson by benching Butler in the SB. He always preached about doing everything to give the team the best chance of winning, yet he did the opposite. If that's not the definition of a bad H.C, then I don't know what is.
Bb threw that game watch the video
BB has been carried like a baby this whole 20yrs. After the game I said fack em
I was done with Belichick after the 4th and 2 in Indy
@@JohnSmith-nj4zqbenching those players probably set a precedent that prevented other things from happening potentially leading to them winning games they would have otherwise lost
Dan got cooked! Shannon is very deserving of his last name Sharpe! That response to Dan's excuses for Bill was epic!
Agreed
the Dan guy isn't that smart. putting up with eyeglasses doesn't make you an intelligent guy.
Shannon wasnt correct tho.. Brady always had powerhouse teams and that isnt to take away from Tom he's clearly the goat but what Shannon said just isnt true.
Leave it to Molly to ruin the whole thing with one sentence
Yeah, she’s beyond annoying
🤣🤣 I read your comment, asked myself: "what is he talking about?" and less than 2 seconds after, I heard her statement and everyone's reaction. 🤣🤣
Please just leave my Molly in peace.
@@madao4024 As soon as I hear Molly at the end I flew to the comment section. I knew you guys wouldn't disappoint me lmao.
I tuned her out a long time ago 😂
Lol she is so annoying 🤦🏾♂️
He’s still a good coach, but there’s no Brady to mask his GM faults
Good coach, yes, but he’s not great anymore. They’re horribly undisciplined and a great coach/GM whatever doesn’t make a defensive coordinator and special teams coach his offensive coaches
He’s a horrible coach
How is he good ? He’s under 500? The worst cosches ever have had better record
He's a good coach if he can get out of his way and hire good coordinators and not just "yes Man" guys. Also, he is one of the worst GMs
Bingo
Dan's face when Stephen A said he doesnt have an ego 😂
I know even he knew and couldn't pretend or act like that wasn't b*******
Rex Ryan won 4 playoff games with Mark Sanchez Doug pederson won a Super Bowl with nick foles belichick is a joke .
and bill has 8 superbowl rings@@Alex-sf9bo
@@Alex-sf9boRex Ryan would’ve been a HOF coach had he won either of those superbowl runs
Biggest egomaniac on tv
It's amazing to hear Shannon giving Tom Brady credit
Not reallly Shannon knows football, but it's entertaining for him to hate Brady since Skip loves Brady it makes for great T.V.
Yeah but he admitted this not in front of skip
He still owe us the lebron mj
Amazing? You are easily astonished I see.
as long as he gets to knock another white guy in the process , he is fine
Without Brady there’s no belief in that locker room; if they got blown out like they did yesterday with Brady there’s no doubt everyone will still believe they going to the Super Bowl
He went to 10 SBs in 21 seasons. That's like flipping a coin and getting it right 1/2 of the time. Of course those players in the locker room believe in their leader. The leader had always been Brady. Everyone just thought of Belichick as that old man always nagging. They are just ignoring him now. That's called losing the locker room and either time for him to retire or coach another team.
Bulls a great coach n Brady a great player,. Bill has one more Super Bowl ring than Brady don’t forget
@@TheSands83 As a D.C. You can get a ring even if you are a janitor. There are levels of value to being the H.C and other positions. Don't forget.
@@JohnSmith-nj4zq comparing a janitor to the Defensive coordinator 😂😂😂 not just any but one of the greatest of all time. Even Bill Parcells has said bellichecks game plan against the bills was the important factor in then winning that superbowl… you might have made the most ignorant comment in the history of people talking football 😂😂😂anyone who knows the history of the league knows how important bill Bellicheck was to those giants teams
@@JohnSmith-nj4zq I knew some nitwit like u would come along n make that comment n not know the history and story behind bill and that giant team😂😂😂 everybody in that organization always says how critical he was to them winning
I love how they cut Molly off 😂😂😂
She's idiotic! The worst! lol
Rex Ryan won 4 playoff games with Mark Sanchez Doug pederson won a Super Bowl with nick foles belichick is a joke . Lovie smith made a Super Bowl with Rex Grossman Bill belichick is the worst cosch in nfl history
Mark Sanchez was a bust!!!
that brought you joy? Reallyy!!!
They should do it more often!
Bill Belichick's HC legacy is taking a hit because of Bill Belichick GM legacy.
Agree. He can't draft for sh!t and he makes weird personnel decisions.
Brady’s leadership is also missing from that locker room. People believe they can win with Brady, often rising up in the biggest moments. However, the patriots nowadays are just playing as a job.
exactly! this ain't the early 2000s anymore, you can't just find good talent for cheap anymore.. YOU HAVE TO PAY TO PLAY! and Bill has always been known to be a cheapskate
Facts
He needed Tom Tom didn’t need him
Had Belichick retired after the Pats last SB people would have said he was the GOAT coach. Now most are saying he won because of Brady. His legacy took a hit.
Very true! But I’m glad that he didn’t retire so that we could all see the truth and not speculate. Now we all see that it was Brady all along. Not BB.
Kind of like Sean Payton should have stayed retired after he quit the Saints when Drew Brees retired.
Doc rivers effect
Same thing with Gregg Popovich, numbers don't lie! I was saying that since the beginning that Tony, Timmy and Manu were out of this world!
He is the GOAT coach. They're not taking away those 6 SuperBowls last I checked . How many SB'S did Don Shula win after 1974? Chuck Noll after 1980?
Dan thought he had something with that NBA reference but Shannon put him in his place 😂
Shot him down so easily.
You also can’t ignore his record before Brady. You have to put it all together. The man is 80-90 with 7 out of 10 losing seasons without Brady. Very few coaches would last 10 seasons with a cumulative record below .500.
I think everyone forgets that, Bill B just isn't that good a HC.
This is the only argument you need. The guy had a losing track record before brady and after brady. Clearly Brady was the difference maker.
Wasn’t he on the browns tho? I’m a pats fan that knows Brady was the team but even then which coach could actually help out the browns around those times?
Dan up there cappin for belichick is the funniest thing ever
Dan always argues the losing side.
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Cause he was on that 0-16 Lions team 😂
How is he capping for Bill belichick when it was Bill belichick who helped develop and put Tom Brady as the starter when everybody was clamoring for Drew bledsoe, I'm young enough to remember all of that. It was an extremely controversial move by Bill belichick. At the time people thought that he was crazy for doing that. If that didn't happen, do you really think Tom Brady would have gotten an opportunity anywhere else?
@@flyguy7825 Yes Brady would have been great on any team he should have been a 1st Rd pick scouts are dumb. And yes not putting Bledsoe was a little controversial but they were 5-13 with Bledsoe and Brady went 11-3 after taking over the same team so was really a no brainer
primetime called this 5 years ago in undisputed, in front of Shay. and I quote "he (Brady) would still win a SuperBowl without Belichick, and Belichick wouldn't"
21st And Prime!!
Yup I remember that
Tom did walk into the perfect situation with a stacked team and then got gifted the Super Bowl when KC had to field one of the worst Olines in NFL history but the reality is Bill got old and lost his touch. Once he decided to make Patricia his O coordinator it was obvious he's going senile.
@Paul-vf2wl Manning walked onto a stacked Broncos Team in 2012, and despite that 43-8 A**-WHOOPING that Seattle gave him in SB48, he won a SB in 2015 with Denver.
You're the type to hold Tampa's talent over Brady to delegitamize him while not holding Peyton Manning to the same standard with Denver, and worse, will excuse that 35 point loss he suffered in SB48.
@@joeruiz4010 Why? I think Peyton is a playoff choker too who only won 2 rings because he got to play against 2 QBs who choked even harder than him so go play with yourself.
It’s funny that Shannon can admit he was wrong now that he’s on First Take. Skip been telling this man this for 7 yrs.
HE NEVER SAID BRADY WASN'T GOOD. HIS PROB WAS SKIP MAKING IT SEEM LIKE HE WAS IN A LEAGUE DIFF FRM UNC/which is not true. At one point, UNC was the best @his position & Skip made it seem like he was a waterboy.
He admitted this on Undisputed too. Several times. Shannon's always been an objective analyst, the only times he isn't is when he's discussing Lebron
@@N.a.j.i. don't think that was the problem. pretty sure it was just cuz skip loves brady so much he was willing to take shots at his co host because skip is that petty and insecure when it comes to losing a debate/his favorite players get criticism from shannon
He came around in the last few years. Around the time When Brady won in tampa and the patriots fell off the map.
@Nathan34370 yeah well he's skip
I’m a lifelong patriots fan. I’ve been through the ups and downs with this team. For my entire life I always defended Bill in the Brady vs Bill argument. I was wrong. That entire 20 year domination was Tom. The last 3 years I’ve seen countless occasions where coaching lost us the game. He’s not as clever as we all thought we was. I hope we move off of him soon.
Lol yeah and get who?
@@andrewlee2194 With Belichick, your team will never be the worst, because his defense will win you 4-8 games, depending on how hard or how easy schedule is.
But your team will go nowhere, because he is a garbage on offense. Enjoy it?
He literally made Brady who he is your obviously not a real fan get lost hater
@@Krionos "oh no, guy has a different opinion than me, must not be a real fan"
@@xaevius5319 exactly
The more we see THESE type of performances outta the Pats, the better Brady looks when we look back at the dynasty
Also, the way all their faces dropped when Molly chimed in at the end was gold
Yep. Brady made Belichick more than the other way around. Hard to argue otherwise imo.
Well of course. An elite QB will always be more impactful than a great coach. Bills a great coach but you still need a QB and players to execute the plays.
the Inner Brady fan in me is kind of dare I say "glad" its kind of unfolding like this. im a Pats fan by heart by ive been saying to the nay sayers for 15 YEARS Brady was NO DANG SYSTEM QB..he WAS the system and engine that made players around him better. Belichick GM has always not done enough on offense to get Brady legit weapons, Brady simply was that special to cover up Belichicks defciencies and not wanting to pay for premium offensive players (unless theyve drafted them)
I love it cuz now people are realizing Brady had more to do with thr success than Belichick did. Period
Rex Ryan won 4 playoff games with Mark Sanchez Doug pederson won a Super Bowl with nick foles belichick is a joke . Lovie smith made a Super Bowl with Rex Grossman Bill belichick is the worst cosch in nfl history
He's a system QB in a different sense.Brady wasn't groomed naturally his first 7 seasons, Patriots already gave him the answers to the test and bill expand on it when when was groom through spygate.
@@kamisama660 Id10t, in early 2000s, with the shitty squad, Brady had to give Pats first round bye, deliver winning drives in big games, and score 24 or more in back to back playoff games.
A lot of things are connected. I’m glad you admitted that lowkey you are glad that the Pats are losing so that will boast the argument that it was all Brady. There are fans that want the packers to lose to boast that it’s all Aaron Rodgers.
As a pats fan, Belichick is an enemy of the team at this point. His decision making is a crime
Brady and Manning are the defining QBs of the last 25 years. As of now, they are the only proven QBs that their presence alone changes the makeup of your culture and entire organization. They left and went to other organizations and completely changed the identity of those franchises. It’s insane
Great comment I definitely agree!!
I'd argue Mahomes and Burrow are also in the same category of players who can instantly turn a franchise around just by themself.
@@pointyheadYT Neither Mahomes nor Burrow have proven anything. Mahomes was drafted to a team that was already a playoff contender with Alex Smith. Plus, Reid had already made it to a super bowl as the Eagles coach with Donovan McNabb.
easy there. Brady, Manning & Mahomes are multiple time super bowl champs. Burrow doesnt belong in the same sentence with them.@@pointyheadYT
I’d include Kurt Warner but the cards didn’t win the super bowl
Some of us already knew for the longest period of time that Tom Brady made up for whatever deficiencies were on those Pats teams through the years but I guess others are finally realizing how important and impactful Tom Brady was for all those years.
Belichick was always overrated to me. Easy to be a great DC with LT. Lost before Brady and after Brady. Must be nice to win Superbowls with the GOAT Edge Rusher and QB (the most impactful positions) and get all the credit
The owner is holding Bill hand; let it go; get rid of him; he is the problem 😂😂😂
Stephen A just said I don’t have an ego??!! Narcissistic 😂😂
He was clearly joking. 😂
@@PaulWeezy50 that's like a robber making fun of you for not having your money after robbing your bank. stephen a is full of it, ahem ahem* max kellerman and TO drama ahem ahem*
yet youre still tuning in @@xaevius5319
@xaevius5319 Not sure what your comment even meant...but Stephen A. Knows he has an ego. Therefore it was a joke. Lol
@@PaulWeezy50 then u lack the ability to understand analogies
Belichick has got to be the only head coach regardless of sports to be given a lot of undeserved credit. Don’t know why his fanboys would do that.
Rex Ryan won 4 playoff games with Mark Sanchez Doug pederson won a Super Bowl with nick foles belichick is a joke ..
same with greg pop
@@Alex-sf9bo2017 Eagles were a deep team.
@@OMG-si3wn Agreed. These guys were "great" coaches because of the great players they coached. It was always the players who made the biggest impact.
A great comparison is when LeBron left Cleveland the first time. Cleveland struggled and was constantly in the top picks in The NBA draft. A franchise or coach can't start losing and can't make the playoffs because one player leaves. People can't say that has nothing to do with the struggles of the coach and franchise. You can name any player you want to, but if one great consists player stays and the team keeps winning. Then the great consists player leaves and the coach and franchise start losing. You have to admit losing them is the reason why.
I love shannon never let Dan slide when he wrong or says something that defeats his own argument. Shay killing em on here . 😂
Skip Bayless somewhere listening to this like…😏
I think it’s a mix. Without Brady, Bill would’ve been out the league a long time ago but without Bill, Brady might’ve never gotten a chance nor would’ve had such a disciplined team around him
True, Idk how people forget how scary good the Brady's defenses have been, js
I'm convinced that Brady would have led the Jaguars or Browns to the playoffs. People forget that he was drafted by a team that went 5-11 in 2000. He won with below average receivers and a decent defense.
@@PhilosopherRyan I don't know how people can call his defense scary good when it needed Brady to get first round bye, to deliver winning drives and score 24 ore more in back to back playoff games.
I guess only dumbfooks still think so.
Bill gets undeserved credit for Brady’s leadership. Brady inspires his teammates, making his players play better in the biggest moments.
Valid point- I do think Belichick needed Brady a little more, but you’re right.
Belichick needed brady not the other way around. Bill might retire soon cause his winning days are over
Brady lucky he got a superbowl team. First years he was just carried by defense
@@xavierb9061true but he still won in the end bill cant win without him
@@xavierb9061True, but let’s not pretend Bill was really doing much before Brady arrived
@@xavierb9061 The Patriots started 2001 with a 1-2 record. Brady was never carried by any team in his career. He was always doing the carrying. Neither the Patriots nor Bucs will appear in a super bowl for a long time. That speaks volumes.
@@kingcheddar5966 let belichek join the cowboys or 49ers to make it fair. Brady left and was on better team he had antonio brown evans, gronk, maybe you forgot
Shannon won this debate. Spoelstra still has a lot of success without Lebron and Wade. I didn't expect bill to win championships but i expected so much more than this.
Belicheck made the biggest mistake of his career by driving Tom away. Had Brady retired in New England there would remain a massive number of people that believe the dynastic success was 50-50 Brady-Belicheck. Had Brady not immediately won a superbowl in Tampa that belief would likely persist. It's just wild to me how far public perception of Belicheck has changed.
I don't think it's wild. Brady won another Super Bowl. The Patriots have struggled. It's an obvious conclusion. BTW, I'm a big fan of both of them.
nah not mistake, Pats weren't able to win with Brady his last year there so the change was needed
@@polpol1005so what have they been winning since he left considering the fact that bill didn't give him any help
@@polpol1005so them not being able to win a single year means they need a new QB? are you dumb?
@@ayoolou9392 no they aren't winning without him either but that just tells you the problem is bigger than one player. He didn't make much difference his last year with them
Stephen A better be careful when discussing Brady or shannon might get in his feelings again 😂😂
😂😂😂
Yep he might not even show up to work the next day
I don’t think Shannon necessarily cares about Brady but rather how disrespectful Skip was being
@@jay_1212exactly
He can stop pretending now that he's not on Undisputed anymore ...
TB12 was the greatest and thus hid all BB deficiencies
Lets not forget BB said he can win with ANY QB
That has been disproved his ENTIRE career
The fact that Belichick thought HE was the reason for that dynasty is the real joke here. Now did he play a huge role? Of course. He brought and designed that Pats winning system, but TB12 was THE system. Nothing works without a generational/franchise talent leading the line. Bill thinking he could just get rid of Tom and keep it pushing was crazy. To add insult to injury, Brady went out and won another right after 😂
What are you saying?
Love that they cut it off as soon as Molly wanted to say something!
I never thought Bill Belichick and the patriots will fall this far after Tom Brady🙃 crazy. Brady is the one and only GOAT
it's incredible that one player can make such a huge difference in what's called "the ultimate team sport"
The disrespect to Belichick is unreal.
Shannon finally admitting Brady was way better than Shannon was as Skip eloquently stated
Yes down the black man was eloquently done
Tbf I’d become a Brady hater too if I had to debate Skip about him every day.
@@lonnieknight9187 Lemme guess... you're Black, right? Maybe it's just a lucky guess
@stringtheoryguitars4952 and let me guess your anything but black
@@benh9935facts skip made it that way
When Shannon was with Skip, he cared more about being right than telling the truth. It goes to show, you never know when these dudes are really being objective or just trying not to be wrong.
It goes to show you to use your own brain instead of being lazy and picking up other peoples opinions.
So Skip was right Shannon 😂😂😂😂
Skip was also right about Baker LOL shannon left Undisputed right on time
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They might win more games with Baker this season.
@@flash012234leftwhich should’ve been gone last year. That offense was horrible to watch. Receivers running into each other, the O-Line was terrible
lol biased analyst got one thing right not because of fair and critical judging
It's clear to me now that Bill rode Brady's coattails all these years.
nah
For years - Belichick was given more credit than Brady - when at the end of the day it’s really ABOUT the MAN playing -
And man who made him who he is
it's not that simple
Bellichick has been exposed after Brady left, Shula won most of the games in 1972 with a back up QB and then won the superbowl with greise, and then broke a bunch of records with Marino, Shula won with 3 different quarterbacks, bellichick without Brady is just an average coach and a below average talent evaluator, he got lucky with Brady
If you see any of dans arguments, he never bad mouths any NFL player or organization. Not because he’s a stand up guy (which he is) but he knows he’ll be a head coach some where soon. Don’t want to risk talking about someone that can give him a job.
It's crazy because when you ask players that been in the league majority been saying it was Brady but ppl kept saying otherwise especially ppl who never played
Yeah it’s not even a debate among players like 100% say Brady
Wherever, whenever and with whomever Brady has played, at any level, he won. And won. And won. And won. And won some more.
Wherever, whenever and whomever Belichick has coached, Brady notwithstanding, he lost. And lost. And lost. And lost. And lost some more.
Didn't lose in NY
@@latonyhopson7257 he was a DC there plus they had LT so that’s why
@@latonyhopson7257 I meant as a head coach. Parcells was running the show in New York
molly should be released from her duties after saying that 😂
Ahhhhhh VICTORY!! Shannon finally opening his eyes and realizing the greatness of Tom Brady. Shannon has already said he was the best player in the history of the nfl but he still would question him because of Bill. Now he realizes he is even greater than even he thought when he already thought he was the greatest player. Pigs grew wings today!!!! Welcome to the club Shannon!
"but he still would question him because of Bill." nah im pretty sure it's because of skip 😂. cuz skip gotta be like the the town bard when it comes to talking about brady, all the embelishments and exaggerations.
@@xaevius5319 I’m not sure you can ever exaggerate Brady but either way Shannon finally publicly corrected the facts.
Skip been telling you this for the last 7 years to your face and you didn’t wanna hear it🤦🏽♂️
Bill is a great head coach but he should not be a GM or be able to make personnel decisions for the team. He has too much influence and power in the organization and Pats need to start from scratch after this season.
Thank you Bill for answering the question. The question all of us wanted to know!
Tom Brady doesn’t have a ego he just delivers….Bill showed he had a ego once he benched Malcolm butler over words as they say that ruined the team, Gronk said it the team was salty after that lost
nonsense, brady has a big ego
@@polpol1005how
I love the fact that you cut the video off right when molly was about to give her opinion. Subbed
Dan orlowski mentioning gronk and all those other great players means nothing. In fact all it means is Bill belichick can't draft an offense worth a s***, not only that his biggest pieces of defense that he drafts. He had several chances to get Jimmy garoppolo back, that might have made the difference cuz he proved he could win with garoppolo.
It took Shannon this long to realise that? Better late then never i guess
Sometimes it is too late. Makes him look like a hater or just stupid.
it's almost like u still need coaching to win 6 super bowls.....
I dont know why these talking heads are surprised, the fans have been telling them IT WAS TOM NOT BILL! Even the fans in New England where pointing out Bill's record without Tom. Bill was going to get canned before Tom Brady stepped in.
Bill was a great defensive coach Brady made him look he was a great all around coach he was never a great offensive coach
Deo. Stop with that. Tom Brady literally won without Gronk and Randy on thr field. So Bill not hVing them is no excuse.
(Molly) `I like to see Bill go somewhere else
(Everyone Else) `Looks at her like she`s crazy`
(Molly) No, I want to see him go somewhere else and have a fresh start
**ESPN Cuts off the video** 😂😂🤣🤣
Belichick is a defensive mastermind. His offenses were carried by the talents of players like Brady, Gronk, and Edelman.
No one can argue Belichick’s knowledge. However, his motivational speeches are questionable. It seems Tom gave the Patriots the motivation and drive while Bill did the play design.
with the shitty squad, Brady had to give Pats first round bye, deliver winning drives in big games, and score 24 or more in back to back playoff games.
@@Deerjason Absolutely, Bill is that grumpy old man. Who would listen to him and be motivated. With Psycho Tom, you can get behind him and ride that emotion.
We all know Shannon was playing a character on Undisputed and had to hate on Brady for ratings.
nah
The QB is the most impactful position in ALL of sports & its not even close. Maybe the pitcher in baseball is a close 2nd, but they don't pitch every game.
Tom won with Tampa because that was an incredible squad top to bottom, who only needed a qb. We all saw the wheels start to fall off in NE in 2019 when they faded near the end & embarrassingly lost to the Titans at home in the wildcard round.
What a lot of people fail to realize Brady took so many pay cuts “BRADY” so what do you think any other hot shot player is going too do, selflessness Brady will go down as the all time greatest player ever, players are greedy real deal team player
Shannon is my all-time favorite analyst. Imagine how fun it would be to see him debate on First Things First
dude is not an anyalyst. He just a fan boy. a grown cry baby.
@@Unidentified_userrSkip on burner
They cut on Molly 😂😂😂😂😂
Played her off like the Oscar’s😂😂😂
@4:03 Dan thought he had a bar....Shannon had a rebuttal immediately
dan was right tho
Brady was an excellent quarterback who carried Bill to most of the games they won. Undoubtedly, Brady has been way better than Bill.
nah they both needed eachother
The question should now be,,, was Belichick responsible for 33 per cent of the Patriots dynasty success? Not even that
I can’t believe people are really expecting Bill to win with Max Jones.
Pederson won with foles shanahan is winning with Purdy millions of cosches have won with worse
Well he’s the idiot that drafted him
I heard people say bill could win with any QB guess not
Why NOT! The GREAT Bill Belicheck drafted him!😂😂😂
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It's obvious that Tom Brady *WAS* the Patriot Way lol
*bill was
When you hear Brady talk about Bill, he's got nothing but respect for him as a coach despite all the "drama" they went through. I think that speaks volumes. His coaching legacy shouldn't take a hit. Belichick is still a good coach and a great football mind, but with that being said, coaches coach and players play. He doesn't have the horses or should I say THE horse anymore. All this says to me is how great TB was, but we already knew that.
Tom Brady is the most gracious re-affirming positive person in the WORLD. He does not say anything bad about anyone. He has more than proven that with an a-hole like BeliDork. BeliDork is NOT a great coach. He is a greedy, lying, selfish, vindictive megalomaniac. He believes in belittling/denigrating a player verbally. Negatively pressuring them mentally and relentlessly minimizing them financially. Not to mention he takes great pleasure in embarrassing them privately and publicly. Those are not qualities of a great coach. Patriot players hated BeliDork but love Brady. They didn't believed in Belidork, they BELIEVED in Tom. Y'all keep making excuses for Dork, even after he went out and spent 310 MILLION dollars in FA, you say he doesn't have the horses. lmbo. He's just a mediocre coach and a terrible person. His horses cannot wait to leave. They are all (agholor, meyers, etc) producing well somewhere else.
Spoelstra went to two nba finals. lol. Worst comparison. Better comparison would have been Mike Brown post Lebron
Mike Brown become a back up coach for the Warriors winning chips there.
Bill is nothing without Tom but Tom is definitely great without Bill
not really
Mac's problem is he is cocky. Thinks he can make throws that he can't. Thinks he's better than he is. I love it😂
We don’t believe you Shannon until you say those same words to Skip 😂😂😂
Why does he have to say those words to skip? What does Shannon owe skip?
@@Mk-xj2pmhe doesn’t owe skip anything 😂 it was a joke. Relax😂
So now he saying that now that he isn't debating Skip😅.
It’s mind boggling how anyone could say a coach is more important that your star player
Reminds me of SKIP and SHANNON… *Skip is Belichick*
*Shannon is Tom Brady* he won without Skip …now we see why undisputed was relavant…because of Shannon Sharpe not Skip
The evidence is clear. Brady won without Belichick. Belichick can't win without Brady.
Bellichek prob would’ve won with a lot of QBs early on, but after 07 it was 80% Brady every year they won. I still think Bill gets 20% cuz Brady never won without an elite defense and Brady also lost 2 SBs cuz he couldn’t outscore Eli
@@sakthithanigai5036 Coaching skill doesn't fall off with age (unless you're senile). So if he would have won early on he would have been winning after Brady. Belichick's coaching only works when you have someone like Brady on the field. It doesn't matter if he lost to Eli. Eli isn't even close to the GOAT debate. Brady is the GOAT.
which roster was better: The 2020 bucs with Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Antonio Brown, Rob Gronkowski, Tristan Wirfs, Leonard Fournette, Devin White, Lavante David, JPP, Shaq Barrett, Vita Vea, Antonio Winfield. Or the 2020 Patriots with N'Keal Harry, James White, Sony Michel, Dont'a Hightower, and Lawrence Guy
@@JoshuaEdwards977 Belichick the idiot always needs *high QUARLITY plays from his QB with a CHEAP squad.*
That is what Brady had done for him since 2001, that is how Pats won the first 3 SB.
you cant really compare brady going to a LOADED bucs team to the patriots who had a rookie QB at the time.
Skip was right when he said Shannon had straight up Brady hate on that famous debate. Brady played good his last year. His team just sucked.
I believe Belichick the coach is still a championship coach. It is much harder for an entire team to start over and regain championship level status after losing their superstar player than it is for a singular superstar player to win again. Belichick the GM however…. he’s the hindrance that’s ruining Belichick the coach
bill just got lucky he had brady , if no brady then hey bill woulda been fired 10 years ago.
Dan is bugging it’s very clear the Bill way isn’t that great with out Tom
Moley just had to kill the vibe of a good argument
He wasn't wrong. He's living in the moment. Brady was absolutely a great player and essential to their success. But he's just one guy. The fact that Bill was able to accumulate talent and coach guys to play at a level that they couldn't play anywhere else is a testament to his greatness.
If Shannon says this last year he’s still on undisputed
if skip wasn't an insecure and petty old fart shannon would still be on undisputed
Shannon should have admitted this argument with Skip Bayless. And apologize to Skip for being wrong for 7 years with him on the other side of their table.
why? would skip apologize for his bad takes over the years that shannon got right? 😂
Bilichick hasn't done anything without Brady, it was all Brady
Brady should’ve won 2 championships with the Bucs. If Antonio Brown didn’t go crazy in year 2, the Bucs would’ve beaten the Rams that year. They almost did with only 1 healthy receiver.
Brain freeze by Bucs defense on that Matt Stafford 44 yard pass at the end is the only reason Brady didn't win 2
It was all Tom Brady, Belichick himself said the players play the game. The coaches just try to put them in the best position to win....
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