It is criminal for Still to be forgotten. His harmonic language and structure is so unusual yet deeply expressive. His Afro American symphony, Seven Traces, 3 Visions, Africa etc are all so good and deserves recognition. It is so important to show the classical masses what the sounds of the Harlem Renaissance was like. Sadly a forgotten genius :(
Your respect and appreciation for William Grant Still are wonderful but he is not unknown or forgotten. Please do a Google or TH-cam search. Both contain more information than can be discussed here.
@Mark-jp3rg this is a hard disagree. Still is on the fringes of the repertoire. The average classical listener or musician will not know who he is. Just because there's good amount of information on him (same for G. Lekeu,T. Rangstrom, R. Langgaard, L. Boulanger, M. Weinberg, M. Kalomiris etc) do not mean they're "mainstream" or famous. They're not and that's the sad truth. Brahms, Bruckner, Faure, Janacek, Prokofiev, Bernstein for example are some of the most well known and celebrated today. Still, Medtner, Boulanger, Karlowicz, Weinberg, Kalinnikov etc are definitely experiencing a revival to push them into the mainstream world however
Wow - this is great! I love that G-9 to end on. The beginning really reminded me of Tiompkin - no wonder, Still used to arrange for Tiompkin. This guy deserves to be programmed more often.
A great discovery for me. The harmonic language and the jazz feel is quite unique. I think this composer has a lot to offer! Given the date, (1933) he certainly belongs in the upper pantheon of composers.
I think one of my favourite positives about the work of Critical Race Theorists is that it's allowed me open my ears to some of these fabulous non-standard, non-white composers. I can't wait to keep opening my eyes and ears and supporting/championing this great music. RIP Maestro Still
Thanks for uploading this wonderful work and performance. Have you heard the version by the late Richard Fields, pianist, with the Cincinnati Orchestra? It was released in the 1990s. Wonderful recording.
Wow, I'd never heard of the composer or piece. It is absolutely wonderful, I can already see myself going down the rabbit hole on his other compositions. Thank you for sharing this!
Totally agree. Music History and especially Music Appreciation. Should he be better known? Sure. But Still is in no way obscure. I hope those who are just discovering his music will be inspired to do a little more research.
Should Still be better known? Sure. But he is certainly not obscure or forgotten. Please be inspired to do a little bit of research on this composer or a search of Google and TH-cam.
I'd say a pioneer of ragtime is arguable. Scott Joplin is typically the father of ragtime. But Still is very important in the classical contemporary cultural Renaissance. His harmonies and structure is very modern in his compositions. He plays with a lot of dissonance and more progressive jazzy bluesy melodic lines. His late works have elements of 20th century modern techniques and rhythms since he was taught and heavily influenced by Varese
Now that we understand that racism is alive and well in America, one can imagine how poorly this fine, attractive composition by a man of color would have been received in 1933. This sounds very American and makes for 10 minutes of comfortable listening.
@@EggBenis yeah you could, it's is essentially one in many ways, it has a piano as a soloist with an orchestra, and their interaction is very concertante
Has nothing to do with rachmaninov, and if you are going to link composers and claim they are imitators so easily then Rachmaninov is clearly an imitator too. This is actually one of the most innovative classical pieces I've heard in a good while, and no, this isn't gershwin just because it has a couple of jazzy chords, he is pretty different from gershwin too. As I said, it has a clearly distinctive sound.
@@jonathanDstrand Exactly, he even wrote for piano and orchestra, I mean, that is obviously some form of "imitation" by some standard... Even if it was imitated we can't reduce music to "imitation" or not imitation, 99% of composers for hundreds of years (pre 19th/20th century) have been basically imitators for the most part, what is classical style and what do you mean common practice? Just because it doesn't sound unique doesn't mean it's not good, because something is only really unique for the first time, apart from that it's really a social construct, what is the difference between a piece that sounds like other pieces you know from a "legendary" composer and pieces that sound like those same pieces but by a completely different composer from another context and time? Absolutely none if you think about it, only your false ideas of value. Not even gonna mention how simple characteristics and style is just the tip of the iceberg and every detail about a melody or orchestration or harmony or form is relevant and no 2 pieces sound the same, only if it's literally copied, the melodies specially SHOULD matter, specially if you like, I don't know, Mozart? If you like Mozart and you don't care about the specific motifs and melodies you use I don't think you actually like his music or most classical music for that fact, or even most styles of music, because SPECIFIC MELODIES AND MOTIFS MATTER, SIMILAR STYLES DOESN'T MATTER AS MUCH AS YOU WANT TO MAKE THEM OUT TO MATTER, AND MUCH LESS HISTORICAL VALUE OR HOW MUCH OF A GENIOUS THE COMPOSER IS, BECAUSE THAT IS A CLEAR SOCIAL CONSTRUCT WITH THE BASIS OF SELLING YOU THE IDEA OF MASTERY AND OLD CLASSICAL COMPOSERS BEING BETTER THAN MOST MUSICIANS EVER, DESPITE THAT BEING FALSE FOR THE MOST PART (BACH). Yeah, went a bit on a tangent there, but it's basically it, he isn't, even if he was it doesn't matter and shouldn't matter much.
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It is criminal for Still to be forgotten. His harmonic language and structure is so unusual yet deeply expressive. His Afro American symphony, Seven Traces, 3 Visions, Africa etc are all so good and deserves recognition. It is so important to show the classical masses what the sounds of the Harlem Renaissance was like. Sadly a forgotten genius :(
Thank you 😊
Your respect and appreciation for William Grant Still are wonderful but he is not unknown or forgotten. Please do a Google or TH-cam search. Both contain more information than can be discussed here.
@Mark-jp3rg this is a hard disagree. Still is on the fringes of the repertoire. The average classical listener or musician will not know who he is. Just because there's good amount of information on him (same for G. Lekeu,T. Rangstrom, R. Langgaard, L. Boulanger, M. Weinberg, M. Kalomiris etc) do not mean they're "mainstream" or famous. They're not and that's the sad truth. Brahms, Bruckner, Faure, Janacek, Prokofiev, Bernstein for example are some of the most well known and celebrated today. Still, Medtner, Boulanger, Karlowicz, Weinberg, Kalinnikov etc are definitely experiencing a revival to push them into the mainstream world however
Woah, another composer which is relatively unknown but has amazing harmonical language. Thanks for the upload!
I agree with you!
Yes you said it so perfect yooo! The Harmony is so my vibe, so beautiful
Unknown to who??
@@joewilliams4359 the classical audience
@@wholemilky can you be more specific, perhaps with demographics?
Wow - this is great! I love that G-9 to end on.
The beginning really reminded me of Tiompkin - no wonder, Still used to arrange for Tiompkin.
This guy deserves to be programmed more often.
This shit literally gave me the stank face! These tones melted me!
Beautiful harmonic language!!
This is wonderful music. It certainly deserves to be heard and appreciated.
A first rate composition. Has to be one of Grant Still's best.
A great discovery for me. The harmonic language and the jazz feel is quite unique. I think this composer has a lot to offer! Given the date, (1933) he certainly belongs in the upper pantheon of composers.
All I have to say about this is WOW!!!
I think one of my favourite positives about the work of Critical Race Theorists is that it's allowed me open my ears to some of these fabulous non-standard, non-white composers. I can't wait to keep opening my eyes and ears and supporting/championing this great music. RIP Maestro Still
Loved your comments. Since your original post, I hope and trust that you have had an amazing journey!
This man was genius!
Thank you for uploading Still! I love his music but it sucks that he’s not more well known.
Thanks for uploading this wonderful work and performance. Have you heard the version by the late Richard Fields, pianist, with the Cincinnati Orchestra? It was released in the 1990s. Wonderful recording.
Wow, I'd never heard of the composer or piece. It is absolutely wonderful, I can already see myself going down the rabbit hole on his other compositions. Thank you for sharing this!
amazing composition!
うわ〜 この作曲家のことはぜんぜん知らなかった！ 知ることができてよかった〜^^
We were looking at songs that we might like for school so here I am!
bruh that horn gliss 🤩
This is awesome!!!!! Oh man! This is beyond words!
A thumbs down? Not sure how that is possible?
So beautiful 😻
A very interesting piece by a fellow who lived in almost total obscurity. I give it a 9 on my musical target.
Total obscurity?! I see we need to improve the quality of our music history courses…..
Totally agree. Music History and especially Music Appreciation. Should he be better known? Sure. But Still is in no way obscure. I hope those who are just discovering his music will be inspired to do a little more research.
Should Still be better known? Sure. But he is certainly not obscure or forgotten. Please be inspired to do a little bit of research on this composer or a search of Google and TH-cam.
Simplemente genial.
Beautiful
NICE ONE
Thank you for posting this!
I heard this on the Classical Station.
We learned about Still in Music History. He was a pioneer of ragtime I believe. And he was the first Black American to conduct a symphony orchestra.
a pioneer of ragtime born in 1895?
He was one of the first symphonic composers to have his work performed by a major orchestra. Most definitely NOT a pioneer ragtime.
I'd say a pioneer of ragtime is arguable. Scott Joplin is typically the father of ragtime. But Still is very important in the classical contemporary cultural Renaissance. His harmonies and structure is very modern in his compositions. He plays with a lot of dissonance and more progressive jazzy bluesy melodic lines. His late works have elements of 20th century modern techniques and rhythms since he was taught and heavily influenced by Varese
Thanks for this, I love it!
Now that we understand that racism is alive and well in America, one can imagine how poorly this fine, attractive composition by a man of color would have been received in 1933. This sounds very American and makes for 10 minutes of comfortable listening.
Thank you!
I thought that said Tainfuck for a second, oh well, maybe next time...
Wow
7:37
Is this a form of piano concerto
It is a Symphonic Poem, a freer form that does not have to follow the concerto form.
@@beatrizdemello5370 i understand that but would you consider it as one?
@@EggBenis yeah you could, it's is essentially one in many ways, it has a piano as a soloist with an orchestra, and their interaction is very concertante
2:10
Rachmaninov imitator
I don't hear Rachmaninov, but I do hear lots of Gershwin, except in a unique style.
and.. rachmaninov was an imitator of many before him
Has nothing to do with rachmaninov, and if you are going to link composers and claim they are imitators so easily then Rachmaninov is clearly an imitator too. This is actually one of the most innovative classical pieces I've heard in a good while, and no, this isn't gershwin just because it has a couple of jazzy chords, he is pretty different from gershwin too. As I said, it has a clearly distinctive sound.
@@jonathanDstrand Exactly, he even wrote for piano and orchestra, I mean, that is obviously some form of "imitation" by some standard... Even if it was imitated we can't reduce music to "imitation" or not imitation, 99% of composers for hundreds of years (pre 19th/20th century) have been basically imitators for the most part, what is classical style and what do you mean common practice? Just because it doesn't sound unique doesn't mean it's not good, because something is only really unique for the first time, apart from that it's really a social construct, what is the difference between a piece that sounds like other pieces you know from a "legendary" composer and pieces that sound like those same pieces but by a completely different composer from another context and time? Absolutely none if you think about it, only your false ideas of value. Not even gonna mention how simple characteristics and style is just the tip of the iceberg and every detail about a melody or orchestration or harmony or form is relevant and no 2 pieces sound the same, only if it's literally copied, the melodies specially SHOULD matter, specially if you like, I don't know, Mozart? If you like Mozart and you don't care about the specific motifs and melodies you use I don't think you actually like his music or most classical music for that fact, or even most styles of music, because SPECIFIC MELODIES AND MOTIFS MATTER, SIMILAR STYLES DOESN'T MATTER AS MUCH AS YOU WANT TO MAKE THEM OUT TO MATTER, AND MUCH LESS HISTORICAL VALUE OR HOW MUCH OF A GENIOUS THE COMPOSER IS, BECAUSE THAT IS A CLEAR SOCIAL CONSTRUCT WITH THE BASIS OF SELLING YOU THE IDEA OF MASTERY AND OLD CLASSICAL COMPOSERS BEING BETTER THAN MOST MUSICIANS EVER, DESPITE THAT BEING FALSE FOR THE MOST PART (BACH). Yeah, went a bit on a tangent there, but it's basically it, he isn't, even if he was it doesn't matter and shouldn't matter much.
You're free to upload your own music, which will of course be crap, so we can all laugh at it.
And we will.
NICE ONE