Ok, so I rusted Magnacut steel - here's how it compares (Vanax, S35VN, D2)
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Hey just a reminder, mixing bleach and vinegar is dangerous as it produces chlorine gas which is fatal if inhaled at high enough concentrations. So relieved when I saw that you took the glasses outside haha. Great video btw!
That's exactly what I was thinking
To be fair I think we all figured that Pete was aware of this
@@NeevesKniveshey bro, have u heard any updates about when Reate is releasing that T-1000? Figured I'd ask someone in the know, thanks;)
I knew bleach and ammonia/Pee caused chlorine didn't no about the vinegar. Learned something new today. Thank you! 👊🏼
Definitely glad he took it outside. Got really scared there for a moment.
I audibly said “oh no” when you dumped that vinegar into that bleach lol
Bleach and vinegar makes chlorine gas 😝 Glad you're still with us :D
Would have liked to see LC200N tossed in the mix to see how it compares
2nd this. I would like to see how this LC200 compares. I'm curious how much it would take for pure (no thumbstud) lc200n or vanex to rust. Great video overall.
You actually kinda already did, as the liner of the Waypoint is LC200N. The thumbstud is titanium, so that wouldn't have been the source of the rust.
that's interesting to learn i thought the hardware on the waypoint was some sort of marine grade steel.
Vanax and LC200N are more or less the same thing. So....
@@jacknemo8021 No, they are not at all the same thing. They are supposed to have similar stainlessness but the compositions are completely different.
For the record, according to knifesteelnerds both Vanax and Magnacut are rated at 10/10 for stainlessness, but we saw a difference in the real world results, which is why I would also like to see LC200N compared since it is also rated 10/10.
Now that's a cleaning solution even Peggy Hill could get behind
Only Pete risks his life to review knife steels! ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED???
Pete, all I can say is I’m glad this video was posted.
Bro I love that you straight up mixed vinegar and bleach on camera for us, amazing content
Knife cruelty in service to science! Great show!
Maybe you could test other "rust proof" steels like LC200N?
I gasped when you added the vinegar, no word of a lie. When you poured the bleach I was thinking "please not vinegar please not vinegar"
My main camping blade is uncoated (since I stripped of the black coating) and is made out of 1095 carbon steel (which people claim is notorious for rusting) and funny enough, there's not a speck of rust on it and I've been using it when camping for about 7 years now. That just goes to show ya that taking care of your blades matters more than whether they are made out of a fancy supersteel.
Awesome! Love how each knife could be restored!
I wonder if you inadvertently decreased the corrosiveness of the solution by mixing an acid and a base. They will react and off gas that horrible smell, but are also neutralizing eachother. Vinegar is acetic acid 2-3 PH. Bleach is sodium hypochlorite a Base with a PH of about 12. Either way, it did its job and showed valuable results. Thanks for all you do.
Agreed!
Yes, this is the case with a lot of home made cleaning mixes.
You're the man Pete! Great video as always. Not many people are willing to do what you do. Keep up the great content!
Next time you do a rust test, can you put in a 316 stainless steel bolt. I would love to know how something that only needs to not rust and not brake holds up against a knife with fancy steel
Bolts aren't supposed to brake ...
@@tanorkewl8360 No, but they do sometimes break...... 🙃
Awesome work, thanks for testing the limits and letting the people know whats what!
If you're trying to rust something, mix vinegar, salt, and hydrogen peroxide. About 450ml peroxide, 60ml vinegar, 2.5ml salt(2.8g)
Recently purchased a Curtiss F3 in magnacut and I had it in my pocket this last snowstorm in Wisconsin as I was working doing snow removal on city sidewalks. I never used the knife but it was in pocket. The next morning one side of due blade had specs of rust and in the fuller groove. I was surprised as I thought Magnacut was supposed to be very stainless
Great work Pete
Great and informative video Pete
You've gone stark mental, Pete. I love it.
Very nice demonstration, Sir! And nice that you point out that hey, if it rusts it doesnt just end it all and that you can still use it. Don't have "safe queens", Use your tools people. Only safequeens I have are family heirlooms and I actually carry many of those out of remembrance as well and if I carry a tool/knife I'm going to use it.
Ive heard peroxide salt (and maybe vinegar also) is the mixture you want for rusting something. And should be safer.
I've used it for intentionally rusting carbon steel - it was very effective! Also I applied it with a spray bottle.
Magnacut is incredible. I’ve got a couple Sebenzas and a Hogue MK II with the steel and have been very impressed thus far. I hope more makers start using it on more models.
Unfortunately for the knife world it will still be about 2 more years before we start seeing Magnacut become more mainstream. The fact that Benchmade is only releasing one model with it and it’s in August, just shows that we are still a ways away form that. But I’m personally hoping it becomes as common as S30V. I don’t think the cost of production is much higher but we shall see what companies do price wise.
Great video!
You should have included LC200N and H-1 in the test. Maybe next time...
When you put the second knife in the CLR I immediately thought of fry shooting the second garbage ball at the garbage comet
Great video, thank you for sharing!
1) No harm in topping off the containers with pure water -- to allow for longer testing. 2) I'm glad you included a "control" of D2 -- if only for comparisons. 3) I concur with other commenters regarding caveats of mixing household chemicals wantonly.
This has to be the best knife channel...change my mind
Thanks for another video!
Thanks for sacrifice Your knifes and Your time to educate us!
That was a really good video. Thanks.
Excellent comparison, Pete. Magnacut and Vanax continue to impress. For everyone's knowledge: breathing chlorine gas will give you chemical burns. Chlorine gas (Cl2) is unstable, and wants to react with EVERYTHING, and quickly. It reacts with water in your cells to produce hydrochloric acid, and hypochlorous acid. Your eyes and nasal passages will get chemical burns that will really smarten-you-up. About the only thing you can do is administer oil of peppermint to ease the burning sensation until you heal. Super serious stuff.
@CedricAda Can you please do a rust test with CPM-3V and M390 with different mediums/oxidants? I just haven't seen enough oxidation videos with these two steels. Thanks for the great content and keep up the great work!
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Just when I thought Pete’s video making skills were getting a bit rusty he brings out this gem!
(Just kidding - they’re always great!)
I freaking love the FFXIII soundtrack. Excellent choice 👌
Your rusted your kungs too! Damn, you are lucky!
I’m not surprised you were able to rust magnacut but it’s pretty remarkable considering based on composition alone magnacut should be the most rusty but Larrin is brilliant and has given us a true gem. I am actually quite surprised that the quiet carry doesn’t have titanium thumb studs, it almost seems like an oversight that they missed and it also makes me wonder how it’s hardware would fare in extreme conditions. Back on topic, I was quite happy to see that the magnacut cleaned up to nearly perfect again. Great video!
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Very interesting video thanks!
5:30 The No8 Opinel I'd had from 1988 until the early 2000s suffered the fate of being left in a tackle box if memory serves me correctly. Yeah, it couldn't come back from that. Contrary to the stainless Opinel I have that has at one point, spent a week in a tray with salted pilchards, and was cleaned in salt water at a boat ramp. That knife has zero rust.
Are those sections any weaker beyond having slightly less material? Is it like how gallium weakens aluminum?
Amazing work. Thanks Pete! It's the bleach that did it. That's nasty on steel.
It would be interesting to add lc200n and h2 into the mix. Also, could you accelerate the rusting by adding an aquarium air stone to oxygenate the water more?
Great video..
Next time around don't leave them submerged in the liquid, dip them then let them air dry; that will yield more result as the liquid prevents the oxogen from reaching the submerged surfaces.
Video idea: Rust removel comparison with Barkeepers Friend (BKF) and other methods on rusted blade ( or patina) , it would be great to let others have less anxiety on restoring their knives
I wonder what a month or more would do to the knives in that solution. Thoughts?
As is the case with a lot of home made cleaning recipes, combining stuff reduces its efficacy and can produce nasty unwanted chemicals, in this case chlorine gas.
I'd love to see a test of a few folders with ultra-stainless blades -- 20cv / vanax / etc. But dunk the whole knife. I have a 20cv folder from a well-respected US brand that has a ball bearing pivot which is dribbling rust all over the 20cv blade with minimal freshwater exposure.
Would bleach and vinegar not neutralise each other? Acid/alkaline
Thank you for doing this to your knives so we dont have ton👏👏❤
4:17 Is it the light and angle, or is that D2 oxidising before our eyes once it's hit the air?
Greetings, Pete! Was on the Spyderco Mule forums recently, and Sal mentioned he would like to get in touch w/ you to discuss Magnacut, but didn't know how to get in contact. Maybe pay the Mule forums a visit!
I wonder what would have been the result with LC200N!?
Pete casually committing a war crime against himself and his family😵🤣
I think the waypoint corroded at the thumbstud due to crevice corrosion. Someone said the thumbstud is made of titanium (more noble metal) so there could be some galvanic corrosion going on but the thumb stud has a much smaller area than the knife which means galvanic corrosion is less of an issue. My guess is crevice corrosion.
If you want to guarantee any steel will rust first remove the oil on the blade by wiping down the blade with acetone, acetone is a strong degreaser and leave behind no oily residue like dish soaps do.
The next step is to pickle the steel by soaking it in white vinegar, I believe what this does is mildly scores the steel on a microscopic level to create more surface area, though I am not certain I do know that this makes it rust evenly across the surface.
Finally, the best solution for rusting steel is taking hydrogen peroxide and then stirring in salt in until the solution is saturated, you will know it is saturated when no more salt will dissolve in. To apply this peroxide-salt solution use either a spray bottle or a cotton ball.
I learned this from rust bluing steel the old school way and though you wont be able to blue stainless steel I believe that this preparation will rust any steel on the market.
Viniger is a great rust remover. I use it on all my tools.
Another great vid and man I wish more people in the knife world would watch these or do their own tests, especially the hypebeast types that seems to run terrified from any steel that isn't super ultra god-mode corrosion resistant. So many people seem to act like any steel that can rust at all shouldn't be used when, in reality, you truly have to fully neglect or intentionally put effort into actually damaging a knife from rust, even basic 1095 or 1084. Been camping and kayaking and hiking with carbon steel knives for years and I've never even seriously pitted a knife... not even on a multi-day kayak camping trip that rained most of the time. I have no idea why some people seem so scared of rust-able knives.
yeah i'd like to see a bit more evidence than "trust me bro", my 1095 gec's pit and rust from just sitting on the shelve.
btw: i live in a pretty dry house.
@@TH-cam-Censorship-Police Dude if you're going to lie at least make it believable. All you have demonstrated with this comment is that you have so little knowledge and experience with carbon steels that you don't even know how to lie about them believably. Hell I have 1084 bar stock I keep in my shed, in a state that gets lots of precipitation, and none of it rusts. I have carbon steel Mora knives I've left out in the rain over night that didn't get more than a few pepper spots that wiped off. I've been using high carbon steel knives for 20+ years in all kinds of wet conditions, including working in a brewery and taking them on river trips, and none have ever once pitted or got more than surface rust. The evidence is in the video this is commented on.... D2 sat in corrosive liquid for 2.5 days and received no damage beyond discoloration.
I knew you could do it!!
Considering some of the books you were reading, it makes total sense that you would pay “The Outer Wilds “.
I wonder how the knives would hold up to H202 and vinegar?
I'm pretty sure that the thumb studs, and the Liner on the QC is made out of LC200N
The quiet carry waypoints thumb stud is 6AL 4v titanium according to the quiet carry website so who knows why the rust stuck around that area so badly.
1:49 : the forbidden edgy cocktails
One thing I am curious about is that the vanax is a folding knife and the amount of the blade exposed in the air is much less than the magnacut Which has much more surface exposed in the air, that might make a difference between the two in terms of corrosion. Great test by the way I wish you also added h1 in there though. Thanks
So happy you didn’t use ammonia or we’d be doing RIP .
Dude, we will still watch your videos even if you’re NOT making chlorine gas so…you know…something less likely to be used in trench warfare maybe?😂
Lol, loved it! Try to do outdoors…Next is cc sulfuric acid?? 🤪
"Now that the blades are all cleaned up, let's do the rope-cutting test on all 4 knives back-to-back"
Good test.
Funny how knifemakers make a corrosion resistant knife but fail in some components other than blade steel. Case in point, Quiet Carry. My QC Drift has Vanax blade steel and most components are also steels like LC200N but not the thumb stud!
Wish you had included H1/H2 and LC200N which are in the same league as Vanax.
Pretty sure you’re not supposed to mix vinegar and bleach … but I could be wrong. I think it makes ammonium chloride?? I’m tipsy so I could be wrong but be careful - and this was a crazy test Pete.
Just read the comments - when I first came there was only one comment lol. I think he knows now. Just glad you’re ok Pete.
No it does not make ammonium chloride. It converts the hypochlorite ions (HOCl-) to chlorine. If you add enough vinegar, chlorine gas (Cl2) will be released.
I suppose most of these knives will rust in certain situations.
Great video
main takeaway, ur knives will take a lot to rust, especially if stainless. as noted, still pretty reversible. so thanks, we can all go to bed and not have to worry about rust :D
I wash my hogue deka magnacut with a garden hose and it gets dropped into muddy puddles at work. And Texas humidity in my area (highland lakes) is 90%+ through the winter. Never have seen a spec of corrosion of any kind.
Bleach (a base) cancels out vinegar (an acid). Do the same experiment sans bleach and the result may be markedly different.
Impressive
Hey Pete,
I think that the tip and the sharpening choil onnthe mule were overheated while produced. So it lost some rust prohibition properties. ?!?? Maybe?!?
Don't bleach and vinegar neutralize each other?
Knife Lab...Extreme! One of your CGI Explosions would had jump started a few hearts...
I can't say how much I appreciate that you destroy knives to test them. Now I don't have to.
Great testing as always, thanks Pete👍😄
Hydrogen peroxide, vinegar and salt would probably be pretty close to peracetic acid, I could be wrong, but it would probably rust the Magnacut S30v and D2 to a point of no return🤷.
I doubt CLR would work to restore them after that test.
So, you mixed a base, an acid, and water. The reaction you made was them neutralizing and off gassing chlorine, and then you made it even less reactive with the water. It would be more torturous to the steel to do any one of them by itself(besides water), because mixing them lowered the strength. The one benefit of the way you did it is that you probably made layers of different mixtures that acted in different ways at different depths on the steel all at once, giving a more diverse test all at the same time.
Nice
How would H1 compare?
have you ever tested blade finishes of the same steel? acid etch, bead blasted, stone washed...shit like that...
Think you said this once. I do it so you don't have to. thanks, nice little experiment..
Wow I’m totally relieved that the CLR removed most of the rust. In my experience stainless steel will rust if not cared for.
Would like to see lc200n and h1 or h2
That Pyrex has been through a lot.
I liked this at 1:35 because you didn't die. FUUUUMES! The FUUUUMES!
If you want to rust a knife, I know of nothing better than Ferric Chloride. It's sold as a PCB etchant and (at least in the States) is fairly inexpensive at about $20/L. However, it is very caustic and will burn you very easily.
I use it at about a 25% concentration, and even then it takes less than a minute to put a good acid wash on a blade.
Yeah, FC will obliterate any steel. Doesn't matter.
That's because you can make it using hydrochloric acid and decreased fine steel wool, just wait till the 0000 or 000 steel wool falls apart. Hydrochloric Acid not only removes rust, but eats live steel obviously...😂
*decreased steel wool ...using acetone
Pete science is best science!
That was very enlightening, Pete. Thank you.
I wanna play Ys 8 now...
How about H1?