I love my 2016 RS but the car stutters and has massive power loss when cold. Once warm it's fine (still doesn't feel as fast as my modded ST). Ford has looked at it a few times and says nothing is wrong but this doesn't seem right. Any ideas?
Cryptic Loud for the sake of loud isn't an enthusiast. It's a ricer. Loud for the sake of performance isn't rice, it's being a tuner and/or enthusiast. Form follows function for true car enthusiasts. Ricers are all about show and sound. That's why you have 100hp Civics buzzing around that sound like loud, angry buzzsaws that are slooooowwwww (or other car types too, for that matter).
Numinous You win for having the dumbest comments of the day. So an "enthusiast" can't have a loud exhaust just because he wants one? But then if a "ricer" wants something that will give a little more performance to his 100hp civic that's slammed so low he cant get over a leaf he is an "enthusiast" now?
Cryptic Outliers always exist. And, truth be told, every true tuner has a little inner-ricer. But if the point is ALL about sound, that's clear-cut: ricer. Period. Not performance-oriented at all; all about being conspicuous and attention-getting. "Hey!!! Look at me!!!!!" Just like the guy blasting his 5000-watt system at the redlight with his windows down. Same mentality. My Speed makes ~440 at the crank and I still run a muffler. Guess why? It's my daily driver. And it's not too quiet, by any stretch - I definitely love how it has aggressive growl when I step on it - but it still doesn't drone, and it's most certainly not obnoxious. Performance >>> looks/sounds.
Did you install a BOV in your car before this modification? I like the sound of that Blow off valve, but I don't think that the car make that noise stock, right! ...
Should have demoed the stock system with the fake sound disabled. Outside the car the stock system sounded pretty good. Nice system!! (MagnaFlow) Is there a kit that just eliminates the valve for the dual mode system? Then the system would just be in "loud" mode only. Great to see such a simple delete solution for the "enhanced" sound through the sound system!!
Hey bill, so seriously, how much better is the RS than the ST? I have a 2015 st. There's an RS for sale near me for 45k. Is it really 15k more car than the ST I currently have?
I went from a 2014 ST to a 2015 Mustang GT to a 2016 RS. I don't know about $15k worth of difference but I couldn't be happier where I ended up. I have yet to see another RS on the streets. I kinda like the exclusivity as well.
I'm guessing you've never experienced the joy of AWD? The drivetrain differences alone are worth $10k. The performance potential in terms of tunability before needing to tear open the engine and re-build it with forged internals is a lot higher on the RS too. That's easily worth the other $5k. For comparison's sake, I have a 2010 Mazdaspeed 3. New, you could get them in the ~$23k range, if you knew how to negotiate. That's about $10k (at least) under STIs and EVOs. So I got the Speed 3, dropped a few thousand in it fully bolting/upgrading the turbo/running an ethanol mix (and WMI too, just for extra safety), and I'm @ 385/380 at the wheels in good weather (stock Speed 3s put down ~230/255 or so at the wheels). So for well under $30k, I have a car that annihilates STIs and EVOs in a major way for way less money. Would AWD be nice? Absolutely. But is it important enough to me that I'd rather pay much more for that than for a Speed 3 that'll pull 98% of the cars I see on the road? Not to me. And Speed 3s are actually very competitive in tracking events too, despite AWD. Mazdaspeed was very serious about it being a driver's car when they designed it.
I was wondering the same thing I own a 2016 ST. Then I started looking into the depreciation on the ST. I have lost so much money on it already any notion of trading it in for a RS went out the window LOL. Putting that aside I say just spend 3k on bolt-ons and it will be every bit as fast as the RS from a roll. Besides it would be really tough for me to pay 15 K more for a car that has the same interior.
This works just like the stock system does. the valve only opens on the drivers side pipe. The passenger side is always open, however it is fully muffled.
Sounds worse than stock, and quieter? No thanks. Let me know when Roush or somebody makes a proper exhaust for this. Even a straight-pipe or mini-resonator kit.
I never liked the finish on welds on after market exhaust. They need to be painted or something. Also, this video should have had a before and after comparison.
The new AWD system is the reason it performs as well as it does...lol you're the only person on the planet that doesn't like their tq vectoring awd system lol
Untrue. Ive seen videos of others who have noted using breaks to control torque isnt the best way to do it. Rather ignorant saying 'im the only one on the planet' as you cannot know that. Also, im stating my opinion about the car, no need to get butt hurt over it.
Bang for the buck for the manufacture, but not the owner. Brake Vectoring = more maintenance time and money spent on the car. Admittedly, the times i have heard/seen torque vectoring described as a feature, id forgotten what car that were talking about at the time.
If I remember right, the RS uses brakes to redirect torque in the front, and actual mechanical differential means to redirect it in the rear. Am I right?
Sorry....this is NOT overwhelming.....I rather stick to my old 2010 ST FL Cupe, which I tweaked a little bit up to 312 Horsepowerand trust me.... PURE 5 Cylinder Sound !!! and tonnns of torque !!!Smoking Tyres in 4 Gear.... I rather stick with my old car, greetings from Austria.....
Dang, no UEL sound, just like the ST? I know EL is better for spool, but that's a non-issue on my modded Speed 3. I can spool far earlier that I want to anyways, choosing to stay out of boost under 3k rpms. And my Speed sounds sooooooo much better with its UEL exhaust manifold. RS'es are definitely nice cars, though. I hate the fact that Ford would pipe-in fake exhaust sound on a car of this caliber. Same foolishness as the symposer on the ST. Glad my Speed doesn't have any of that fake stuff; that's one of the very definitions of "rice": just for looks and/or sound rather than for an actual performance boost.
On the ST It is not “ fake “ sound and it doesn’t come thru the speakers , it is a tube That comes from the air intake that comes in under the dash to give you the sound of the intake that you would not hear because of the sound proofing
The stock exhaust is loud Bill wtf are you talking about, I think stock sounds excellent like a rally car with this crappy exhaust you put on you just ruined a great stainless stock sports system that ford provides for you already, ps it sounded like it went a few notes quieter also lol. My comments are legitimate here because I also own an RS and have always said I won't change the exhaust the only thing I will consider is a tune and even with that I'm unsure because the car is jus so good stock, RS has been around since the 70's when ford adds an RS badge it's not just a badge it's a very special vehicle I've owned several rs's in my time and know the hype and love it
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. With the speakers turned off the stock exhaust is much quieter than the Magnaflow. Either way I would not consider the Magnaflows 409 SS construction crappy.
Well if you think it´s a fail then I´m sorry to inform you that nowadays a lot of cars do this. Example: BMW´s M cars, Lexus did this, Renault did it, VW did it... you get the point. Audi even installs speakers at the end of the exhaust to make their tractor engines sound like petrol V8´s.
Cryptic These aftermarket BOV's are all for show. They are purposefully loud and sound like crap. Unless you're running a big turbo setup, there's no reason to change from the stock bypass valve.
gypsykingg An aftermarket bov is way better quality than the stock bpv. If you have seen the stock you would know its made of cheap plastic while an aftermarket bov is made of aluminum.
Hang on, there are speakers in the boot to create a fake engine sound!???!!! Hahahahahahaha, how utterly pathetic! Dear oh god, Ford has gone all Play Station! Hahahahahah, what a joke!
If you want loud you can get the "Matt Farah" track spec version of the exhaust, skips the rear muffler.
which plug did you pull for the fake engine noise?
Great video. I love the deeper note. But where are my pops and burbles?!
he was in normal mode it sounds like, not Sport
No before and after for comparison?
I love my 2016 RS but the car stutters and has massive power loss when cold. Once warm it's fine (still doesn't feel as fast as my modded ST). Ford has looked at it a few times and says nothing is wrong but this doesn't seem right. Any ideas?
i cant be the first one to tell you this, but youre not supposed to push the car hard when its cold. at least hard enough to notice power loss.
Who would pay $1200 to make their RS quieter than stock lol.
It's not about volume; it's about flow. Ricers are all about looks/sound; tuners and legit car enthusiasts are about performance.
Numinous So a "car enthusiast" can't like a louder exhaust or have their car look good? I just learned something new today.
Cryptic Loud for the sake of loud isn't an enthusiast. It's a ricer. Loud for the sake of performance isn't rice, it's being a tuner and/or enthusiast. Form follows function for true car enthusiasts. Ricers are all about show and sound. That's why you have 100hp Civics buzzing around that sound like loud, angry buzzsaws that are slooooowwwww (or other car types too, for that matter).
Numinous You win for having the dumbest comments of the day. So an "enthusiast" can't have a loud exhaust just because he wants one? But then if a "ricer" wants something that will give a little more performance to his 100hp civic that's slammed so low he cant get over a leaf he is an "enthusiast" now?
Cryptic Outliers always exist. And, truth be told, every true tuner has a little inner-ricer. But if the point is ALL about sound, that's clear-cut: ricer. Period. Not performance-oriented at all; all about being conspicuous and attention-getting. "Hey!!! Look at me!!!!!" Just like the guy blasting his 5000-watt system at the redlight with his windows down. Same mentality.
My Speed makes ~440 at the crank and I still run a muffler. Guess why? It's my daily driver. And it's not too quiet, by any stretch - I definitely love how it has aggressive growl when I step on it - but it still doesn't drone, and it's most certainly not obnoxious. Performance >>> looks/sounds.
Is the stock system stainless-steel? It sure looks it; at least the front section appears to be.
Yes it appears to be
why u cutting stock exhaust? what if u wanna keep it to put back to stock
what about the crackle and pops
3:50 bills face is in complete concentration mode
Is there a blow off valve on this car!? You can hear the turbo allot in this video
Did you install a BOV in your car before this modification? I like the sound of that Blow off valve, but I don't think that the car make that noise stock, right! ...
Correct, before this exhaust we installed the Turbosmart blow off valve
CJ Pony Parts Thank you for your response! 👍 👍 👍 👍
Cj which you like better focus rs or sti ???!?
So there's no way to remove the exhaust without hacking it ?!
The only other option is to remove the entire rear subframe from the car.
My favorite part of the video.... Showing how to disconnect that ridiculous sound symposer.
7:08
Sound symposer delete is a must!
Should have demoed the stock system with the fake sound disabled. Outside the car the stock system sounded pretty good. Nice system!! (MagnaFlow) Is there a kit that just eliminates the valve for the dual mode system? Then the system would just be in "loud" mode only. Great to see such a simple delete solution for the "enhanced" sound through the sound system!!
Thumbs up for Freddie!!!!!
Hey bill, so seriously, how much better is the RS than the ST? I have a 2015 st. There's an RS for sale near me for 45k. Is it really 15k more car than the ST I currently have?
I went from a 2014 ST to a 2015 Mustang GT to a 2016 RS. I don't know about $15k worth of difference but I couldn't be happier where I ended up. I have yet to see another RS on the streets. I kinda like the exclusivity as well.
I'm guessing you've never experienced the joy of AWD? The drivetrain differences alone are worth $10k. The performance potential in terms of tunability before needing to tear open the engine and re-build it with forged internals is a lot higher on the RS too. That's easily worth the other $5k.
For comparison's sake, I have a 2010 Mazdaspeed 3. New, you could get them in the ~$23k range, if you knew how to negotiate. That's about $10k (at least) under STIs and EVOs. So I got the Speed 3, dropped a few thousand in it fully bolting/upgrading the turbo/running an ethanol mix (and WMI too, just for extra safety), and I'm @ 385/380 at the wheels in good weather (stock Speed 3s put down ~230/255 or so at the wheels). So for well under $30k, I have a car that annihilates STIs and EVOs in a major way for way less money.
Would AWD be nice? Absolutely. But is it important enough to me that I'd rather pay much more for that than for a Speed 3 that'll pull 98% of the cars I see on the road? Not to me. And Speed 3s are actually very competitive in tracking events too, despite AWD. Mazdaspeed was very serious about it being a driver's car when they designed it.
aerodip52 The car I drive has nothing to do with my personal dimensions. Relevant comment about bang-for-the-buck was relevant.
I was wondering the same thing I own a 2016 ST. Then I started looking into the depreciation on the ST. I have lost so much money on it already any notion of trading it in for a RS went out the window LOL. Putting that aside I say just spend 3k on bolt-ons and it will be every bit as fast as the RS from a roll. Besides it would be really tough for me to pay 15 K more for a car that has the same interior.
No Sport Mode ? Sport Mode Opens both pipes, not just the Right one
This works just like the stock system does. the valve only opens on the drivers side pipe. The passenger side is always open, however it is fully muffled.
nice install!!!!
do get a Magnaflow in South Africa ??
Am i the only one that's noticed how they always point at stuff in in thumbnails?! Lol stop laughing at me Freddy .
Sounds worse than stock, and quieter? No thanks. Let me know when Roush or somebody makes a proper exhaust for this. Even a straight-pipe or mini-resonator kit.
I never liked the finish on welds on after market exhaust. They need to be painted or something. Also, this video should have had a before and after comparison.
If people spend a lot of time laying on their backs admiring exhausts.
for it being a 2.3 it sounds like my 2.0 st
Of course. They're virtually identical in all of the attributes that affect sound.
Why would you ever cut the factory exhaust, after that I kinda tuned out...once it's cut you can't use it again without welding...not smart.
The RS is becoming the new SRT neon.
no way I drop that kind of cash on an exhaust with those sugared up gorilla welds.
The fake exhaust sound in the RS is one of the things i hate about it the most.. That and the break vectoring.
The new AWD system is the reason it performs as well as it does...lol you're the only person on the planet that doesn't like their tq vectoring awd system lol
Untrue. Ive seen videos of others who have noted using breaks to control torque isnt the best way to do it. Rather ignorant saying 'im the only one on the planet' as you cannot know that. Also, im stating my opinion about the car, no need to get butt hurt over it.
Seriously he's right thought, brake vectoring is the best bang for the buck method to do it, especially with the diff they used.
Bang for the buck for the manufacture, but not the owner. Brake Vectoring = more maintenance time and money spent on the car.
Admittedly, the times i have heard/seen torque vectoring described as a feature, id forgotten what car that were talking about at the time.
If I remember right, the RS uses brakes to redirect torque in the front, and actual mechanical differential means to redirect it in the rear. Am I right?
Sorry....this is NOT overwhelming.....I rather stick to my old 2010 ST FL Cupe, which I tweaked a little bit up to 312 Horsepowerand trust me.... PURE 5 Cylinder Sound !!! and tonnns of torque !!!Smoking Tyres in 4 Gear.... I rather stick with my old car, greetings from Austria.....
Dang, no UEL sound, just like the ST? I know EL is better for spool, but that's a non-issue on my modded Speed 3. I can spool far earlier that I want to anyways, choosing to stay out of boost under 3k rpms. And my Speed sounds sooooooo much better with its UEL exhaust manifold. RS'es are definitely nice cars, though. I hate the fact that Ford would pipe-in fake exhaust sound on a car of this caliber. Same foolishness as the symposer on the ST. Glad my Speed doesn't have any of that fake stuff; that's one of the very definitions of "rice": just for looks and/or sound rather than for an actual performance boost.
What's the weight difference? It'd be nice to shave some pounds off it
I did not get a chance to weigh them but I would estimate a 10 lb difference at the most.
some body said to me ford Dagenham dustbin ford vans pick up cars are the best
nice work ma couille
tips dont line up...
Wo wo wo hold up, the speakers run sound through it from the exhaust? What's that all about? Terrible
Golfs do the same
On the ST It is not “ fake “ sound and it doesn’t come thru the speakers , it is a tube That comes from the air intake that comes in under the dash to give you the sound of the intake that you would not hear because of the sound proofing
What the hell is that valve thing?
Still too quiet.
The stock exhaust is loud Bill wtf are you talking about, I think stock sounds excellent like a rally car with this crappy exhaust you put on you just ruined a great stainless stock sports system that ford provides for you already, ps it sounded like it went a few notes quieter also lol. My comments are legitimate here because I also own an RS and have always said I won't change the exhaust the only thing I will consider is a tune and even with that I'm unsure because the car is jus so good stock, RS has been around since the 70's when ford adds an RS badge it's not just a badge it's a very special vehicle I've owned several rs's in my time and know the hype and love it
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. With the speakers turned off the stock exhaust is much quieter than the Magnaflow. Either way I would not consider the Magnaflows 409 SS construction crappy.
I'm skeptical myself on buying an aftermarket exhaust when the stock exhaust is well designed. HP/TQ improvement is marginal.
Debadge that "focus" on the back of it! Looks awful and that intake sound is a bit much. Sounds like a HGV putting on its handbrake.
Blowoff valve is connected to speakers...thats y it sounds so good🚀💣
wtf speakers?>>>????
Yup, Ford did it to make it sound better/cool inside the car.
Love this car but that... i think its a fail
Well if you think it´s a fail then I´m sorry to inform you that nowadays a lot of cars do this. Example: BMW´s M cars, Lexus did this, Renault did it, VW did it... you get the point. Audi even installs speakers at the end of the exhaust to make their tractor engines sound like petrol V8´s.
It's called a sound symposer and a lot of cars do it.
sounds like a honda
It doesn't drive like one!
nice exhaust. The engine just sounds horrible.
Got to sue Ford for fake sounds lol
BOV's sound so bad. It's so ricer, and no better than civic owners throwing a big wing on the trunk.
I have one on my focus st just to mess with them. I'm taking it off when I get a new dp lol
Except it actually does something. Ricer is all show no go. An RS has is a performance car. You make no sense.
Stop watching so much fast and the furious
Cryptic These aftermarket BOV's are all for show. They are purposefully loud and sound like crap. Unless you're running a big turbo setup, there's no reason to change from the stock bypass valve.
gypsykingg An aftermarket bov is way better quality than the stock bpv. If you have seen the stock you would know its made of cheap plastic while an aftermarket bov is made of aluminum.
Putting a performance part on a Focus RS is like putting headers on a 650cc honda motorcycle when you should have just bought a 750cc,....
Hang on, there are speakers in the boot to create a fake engine sound!???!!! Hahahahahahaha, how utterly pathetic! Dear oh god, Ford has gone all Play Station! Hahahahahah, what a joke!