The Hero we Didn't Ask For - Pantsir-S1 - War Thunder
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ค. 2024
- With the Pantsir now being a thing in War Thunder, the once dominate CAS situation that arrived with the Apex Predators has now met its newest rival, the Pantsir!
This is not a standard video for the channel, hence the long duration of it, so pleae keep that in mind when viewing!
00:00 - Why the Pantsir?
07:17 - The ANTI CAS'ENING BEINGS!
30:16 - Yeah, it's fun..
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The thing is tunguska is unusable now in gaijn's quest to make the missile path realistic.
If it’s more realistic I am a ok with it
@@wadefinnigan9207 "i don't want fun gameplay i want realistic gameplay!" *complains about the game not being fun*
@gsamou cause only Russian tech tree is some what realistic and other country is not
Ever since the update, the tunguska missiles have been feeling sluggish and doesn't turn as hard
@@monkeyct3849 Russia is the most unrealistic country in the game 😂
You can increase the vertical search range by pressing Change Radar/IRST search mode, it can even go up to 70° which means you can practically see things straight above you!
Assuming they even got the chance to be above me xP
@JustinPlays I'm just waiting for that day I see a name tag says Justin plays and when I do I think I'm gonna disregard all the rest of the game and just Try n go for you and just look for a "boop" and hopefully it works out for me lol
Which is why I love the Gr 7 now. So many flares and chaffs.
19:06 is exactly how I would fly the GR 7 with the thermal mavericks especially when fighting Russia.
@@ghost0d077 imagine streamsniping, not cool
@@JustinPlaysTV I saw u in a match a while ago Justin u were in a leclerc but left almost immediately
Yes, SPAA only gameplay feels slower but also more relaxed and I personally like it more because it shows that warthunder can be non-stressfull as well.
The reason it is non stressful is because it is unmatched and easy click to kill.
This had always been the case when strong meta existed. Like when R-60 was first added long with Mig-21SMT/MF, when sparrow was first added, when doppler radar guided missiles are buffed, when AH-1Z was first added, when 2S6 first added.
They were all non-stressful, but it cost other player's gaming experience.
The only good news is curretnly this cost will not cause loss of player base since War Thunder is monopoly.
Usually when there is such imbalance, it will cause significant player loss to the point even if it is non-stressful, you don't have enough players to soothe you with their bad day, since they simply switch to another game that isn't imbalanced.
Have you tried naval, it's my go to
@@8749236 that is exactly how spaa is IRL. playing a tank is also pointing and clicking when it comes to shooting a target, your darts fly direct do they not. If a jet can lock you from 8km away while being 6km above you and two click launch a guided bomb to your location, SPAA needs to be able to two click launch against them.
@@8749236sure buddy 😂 there’s enough idiots to go around that’s why it’s video games, the same concept can be said about any game lmao that’s like complaining about being mike Tyson in his video game
You are the only WT TH-camr that's relaxing to watch, Thank you for your content.
Bo time gaming is good fun also.
Don't forget Dollarplays!
@@albundy8139 and Phly
Oddbawz is the most relaxing imo
What about Malzi?
When you start a match in top tier SPAA its pretty wild how powerful it is, you basically create a no fly zone as you zap people out of the sky 1 at a time when they spawn in.
Wish Gaijin would treat the other nations with the same level of care they do with just the Russian tree. Maybe the game would be more fun and more popular if they didnt play obvious favourites.
You mean the same level of "we are being destroyed by what was the poorest military in Europe, must inflate our propaganda vehicles"? 2016 Russian SPAA while breaking NATO SAM systems on accident. Then you have the Yak 1which faced reserves for years before they finally moved it up. Their armor is "balanced" by being artificially buffed (documented on forums in 2018), cold war era vehicles with capabilities they never had (both documented and even an 80s Soviet army friend of mine made fun of gaijin for). SU 25 at 9.7 with a broken light tank with IRST and proxy fuse as a paired premium to be used with it. People joke about Russian bias, the ones defending it are either RU mains or are Russian themselves
@@raymarshall6721 Its a Russian game so why wouldn't they make themselves the best 😂
lmao the situation with the A-10s and the AH-64s (all nations) would never happen if they were russian vehicles.
For the A-10s its artificial limitations of armaments, theyre the same exact aircraft; and before someone says it, the "early" and "late" thing between the Tech Tree and Premium variant is something Gaijin pulled out of their ass and never existed, because THEY couldnt find a way to justify a premium. (just give it a neat skin ffs) They need to be the same BR and have all armament limitations removed, they can and should be able to carry the same options and amount of ordnance.
For the AH-64s it is outright missing armaments across all trees except more recently most of the ones in the US tree, they are all missing APKWS II hydras and Aim-9Ls. On top of that Hellfires are still missing the ability to switch between direct and ballistic firing modes. All AH-64s should have their full suite and the only exception should be is the operating country has an alternative made by them. (like most nations using Aim-9Hs instead of Aim-9Gs but they are identical)
on the other hand the Russian equivalents of these aircraft do not have these issues. The SU-25's are the same BR as each other and are not missing anything or artificially nerfed in any way (as a matter of fact they are handheld by being too low a fucking BR), the Russian helicopters all have their equipment they are meant to have and all the ones in other trees as far as i know are the same way unless its using a replacement made by the operating country (which is fine).
@@raymarshall6721 That is false my friend, Russia military spending is at $66 Billion at peace time before the war in 2021 and that is more than France and Germany which is NATO powerhouse, and now they have the triple amount at around $150 Billion during the war economy, Also consider that in the USSR they have alot of unique vehicles that are technologically different despite the same chasis. For example on the mobile anti air assets alone they have TOR / OSA / Strela / Tunguska / Pantsir; and Buk-M2 which could be deployed alone without any support assets because it had own command and radar. In every notable Russian tank variants there is a big difference towards each other, it could be the suspension / thermal / main gun / protections and etc.
@@fire_drake12.arc.24 Su-25 9.7 battle rating is already low, in Air RB they barely survive and will only became a food these days, not only they fly hella slow and the fast jets could just outrun/outmanuevered for a better positioning before strafing them down, or just simply dodge their missile which is an easy task, if they gonna up Su-25 br it certainly wouldn't be fun for those premium players.
Made it to that part of the vid, long format is perfectly fine. I think for me personally, playing multiple nations where the grind for something might take "longer" simply cause I'm hopping between factions, it's nice to see the performance of something on longer vids to help justify/motivate me to grind for xyz haha
I love seeing videos like this, the longer format is more relaxed. I still like your shorter videos, but having a long one every so oftenin the future would be nice.
I'm a huge SPAA guy. Was an R3 car player for F4WRD as soon as it came out. Loved this vid both the info and the game play. Thx
I spent the last 3 days playing SPAA. (The BTRZD to grind the M53/59 and then spading the M53) Denying CAS is always satisfying and chill
28:00 I'd say it's nice that it varies on different type of vehicles. It's nice to see you change between game/play styles!
3:30 just before this u mentioned it doesn't trigger RWR. This is partly because IRST, but also because the Radar operates on a bandwidth that a lot of RWRs don't listen on
RWR pulls all radar bandwidths. They can only act on ones they are programmed to know automatically. In reality it would tell the pilot something is pinging it, just that it hasnt decided what.
It's more a matter of the tracking radar using a track-while-scan mode and electronic scanning to maintain a soft-lock that doesn't constantly ping the target's radar warning receiver.
@@darrengarcia4937 How does RWR detect something/someone is pinging it? Is it a fuck ton of radar pings basically saying im scanning you over and over? Or is it something else?
I never get tired of seeing CAS get shot down
Ya i like seeing burning planes too
Love all the missile content, no matter if it's anti air or atgm, keep up Justin!
This guys is honestly just the chillest warthunder youtuber
in relation to your question at the end I find it interesting as it allows you too chat more with us about things that you enjoy rather than by Hyperfocused on murdering the enemy team etc.
I really like this new longer format, is pretty entertaining in my opinion!
thnx for the vids as usual Justin! 😁
What do u mean? This is top tier content. Watching cas mains burn and go back to the ground.
No matter if you like CAS or not, it’s unbalanced. You literally cannot use any of the toptier jets in ground and there is little to no counter. That’s not fun gameplay, whether you like cas or not
You know, this is incredibly calming to watch. Just watching you lob missiles at things in the air while commentating. I could do with more of this. More SPAA gameplay please!
i like it, once a month maybe it breaks the norm and give you a breather from the rush i think. keep it up bruh ^^
Donut operator fan? Finally earned my subscribe.
It is slow paced but sometimes that is exactly what is needed.
The title is just spot on
I've been laughing my ass off for minutes now
28:00 I honestly enjoy these slow vids a lot. Its nice and good background stuff to watch.
8:20 You probably should have used the lead mode by pressing Alt+L. It's really good against laterally fast non manuvering targets like in this case.
Forget it, he is a youtuber
Most youtubers don't know how to use 100% potential of a vehicle
He is tracking with IRST, you can't use that firing mode in IRST.
@@user-dn8gs4kt5x dude, go outside.
those trails on winter map is because the fight is supposedly taking place in arctic. It's a heat vapour
I enjoy the video idk if I'd watch videos like this all the time but if you did an AA video every now and then I'd totally watch it. Anyways I love the videos
Must say, Spaa looks really fun. Never played WT. time to check it out!
The reason it looks like the range is much greater than it’s stated to be is that your radar system is taking the speed and travel path of the target and the time it takes your missile to reach it into account. You can launch at an aircraft that’s 50km away if it’s flying towards you at Mach 2 at high altitude and your missile still connects with it close to the stated range of the missile.
i was the adats at 19:58, it was great playing with you and noticing you in the game :D
On my Birthday as well
@@phoenixcobra159 happy birthday
Ayy donut operator, Justin is a man of culture I see
Finally, a Justin's longggg gameplay vid
Although this video is diferent from the norm, I honestly don't mind it. I don't really play War Thunder as I only have 30 hours on it, but nevertheless I enjoy watching your videos for fun. Plus, your speaking voice is cool so I find it pretty soothing. lol
My buddies and I saw you yesterday! Good seeing you dude. We curb stomped the enemy team so you didn't get an opportunity to shoot anything down lmao
Seeing where the biggest playerbase is coming from it is no wonder they introduced this thing.
Wym?
@@F-18Super either he's a cas main malding he can't abuse cas anymore or he thinks nationalistic bias exist
@@daftcow706 have you ever looked at who has the best helicopters by a margin of 100x?
@@MD-wn4ui they all atgm you from miles away, and are very annoying. each new spaa at top tier is 1 less heli or jet or drone i worry about revenge killing me. The big 3 will eventually all have capable spaas with similar stats. i main Germany/USA SO yes i know how annoying Ka-52's are but so are every other helicopter
@@daftcow706 The issue is there's no SPAA for any NATO country to be even close to Pantsir. And as of now VT1 is unusable against any plane that turns even by 2Gs
I quite like this type of content considering Im an SPAA main :D
I personally like slow paced gameplay better than fast paced, besides watching planes go down is the most satisfying thing in game for me.
Good thing I been playing prop air RB, im lucky for not being affected by it.
5 am. Yes i did watch the entire thing, it's not like i need sleep or anything xd
Not gonna lie, quite enjoyed this vid. More slow paced. Not that I don’t like your normal vids! But sometimes I’ll do this to. Just spawn an SPAA immediately and play anti air all match. To me, it’s just fun.
i indeed love AA gameplay
pls do more
magic school bus goes to war............. COME ON ARNOLD!!! Mrs Frizzile needs us to make safe the sky!
I like the AA content, not many TH-camrs do that.
Yes it was a slow video but any video that shows CAS getting spanked is a good video 👍👍
I personally enjoy playing SPAA. I have recently unlocked the Wirbelwind and that thing is definitely an improvement over the FlakPanzer 1 and far better than anything the USSR has till the BTR-ZD. I would love to play with this thing but Sadly I don’t have a second life to grind away at WT to get to this thing. The only thing I have experience in regards to high tier AA is the BMP-2M and 2S38 on the test range.
14:05 This is very good advice at all BRs, even more so at lower BRs since unguided guns are difficult to aim at distant maneuvering targets. I will hang out for a bit to take advantage of spawn protection if there is a lot of enemy planes up (I did kill a plane by abusing spawn protection when he would have otherwise killed me), but after that I will move to protect teammates against CAS. I try to get relatively close to teammates while not exposing myself to enemy ground vehicles and to not get double killed by a bomb, but doing this have netted me far more plane kills than I otherwise would have, since planes make themselves an easy target when they are about to attack a tank and often flying towards my direction, meaning that I will shoot them down 7/10 times in a good AA.
Hey Justin i was wondering if you have seen the apds update gayjin did. They made it normalize on angle plates but it does on flat amour too. The conqueror has this problem right now and it is really annoying to fight leopard and tigers 2s due to the round not going straight throught the flat amour it goes to the bottom of the tank. The chieftain is the only tank so far ive found to not do this
Thankfully after 5 months they've finally fixed this
I wanted to see some of my favorite war thunder TH-camrs play top tier air defense vehicles to see how they would be play them ❤
This is definitely the SAM system of all time, you can't change my mind.
19:55 the reason the guidance is worse is the G-lock nerf, they were only 16 Gs on the 2s6 and the flrkrd (now they are 32 Gs on the 2s6) and they were affected by the atgm changes. Also the reason you sometimes loose lock is caused by your target vehicle nothcing you (flying at a 90° angle towards you) it messes with radars used on SPAAs and some planes, that is when you should switch to IR, it helps a lot.
I cant wait for the teir 20 krug. Only takes 4 years of everyday grinding to get!
I think it's fine once in a while to have this kind of vid :)
To be honest i think AA is a good break in variety every so often. In my opinion i watch these videos to see if i should aim for the vehicle or skip it.
Justin how did you get the decal on the back of Pantsir?
Bringing CAS out at top tier was already a death sentence, now it's an express ticket to hell for anyone who isn't on the Russians side.
the rant was hilarious, whats the blonde decal ur running on the back of the pantsir??
yes I loved this vid coz as a not-very-good player who enjoys aa I often die coz I can't lock it or its out of range and often die from drones in tanks or aa I wish there was a better vid out there that explains and teaches how to be better in the drone age
Big ol vid! Yesss 😊
You know the hero we DID ask for!?
Justinplays that's who ❤
Would love to see more spaa gameplay
13:05 this happens to me couple times, like bro I hit the drone with aa missile, it doesn’t die but it can one shot me
looks fun
im glad justin also follows donutoperator xD
I've been following him for years, until somewhat recently
@@JustinPlaysTV yeah idk why the way he just makes things sound are funny as hell, i especially like his R2 FU comment on the c4 droid in texas
Was this a good addition for getting rid of fucking cas, yes, was it a good idea to give the now most powerful spaa in the game to the russians who have some of the best cas, no
Exactly. The main problem with CAS was/IS KAs. Now it's even worse because other nations won't have any CAS up at all BUT Russia will AND also have this thing. Sure no bias at all right? I love seeing the people arguing against the bias point. They never fail to try even though it's obvious.
I watched the entire video hoping you'd somehow figure out how to track and launch the missiles at 2+ targets at the same time. But I enjoyed the video nonetheless!
In truth I haven't even attempted. It's a feature that serves little to no purpose in ground RB.
The Krizentema has had this feature for a very long time, and to this day I have yet to meet anyone who's used its feature.
"The Hero we Didn't Ask For" I literally asked for the pantsir and tor ever since the tunguska got its devblog 💀
couple of vid like this once in a while is ok thou, at least i can see why the other team's AA is better than us
Sitting there, waiting...meh, it let's me know that is normal
that prop at @26:50 is me lmaooooo
I only play SPAA for the vindication of shooting down CAS and Helis.
Thumbs up!
Majority of the Russian player base did request for a modern anti air system, one was Pantsir-S1
top tier cas is the only reason I was even playing ground, now these just slap me soon as I spawn in, like ok enjoy your tonks I'll just chill in air RB I guess lol o7
What IS that decal in the back?
I find aa actually fun to watch its different
The 2S6 was like the second worst performing SPAA at top tier lulz
The 2S6 Tanguska was the best SPAA in the game. I have all top tier SPAAs. The Tanguska was slowly nerfed over time, for obvious reasons. Gaijin knew they gonna introduce the Pantsir. Now they can tell the Tanguska sucks and the Pantsir was needed. Gaijin should not fool the old players, because I’m principally not against the Pantsir, besides the Russian bias. But Isreal and other nations are actually desperately need SPAAs. Sometimes I don’t understand Gaijin.
Donut Operator is king.
Its ok to have some slow paced gameplay sometimes
'Tunguska is significantly inferior to other top spaa' And then there's me at top tier in the Type 93...because I have no other option, and instead of a good spaa we got a plane that Japan didn't even use or want, and a premium that is full of confusing design choices in terms of balance.
Do you need to set the radar in a mode to auto lock ? Cause I didn't have that with S26
Yes you do, and it’s unique to the Pantsir and Tor
Nice you are playing an AA rare for justin
Im curious... what is your opinion on SQB. Where nations doesn't matters..... only machines
This videos was Straight wacker, but for real tho Donut squad for the win you should watch his vids with Brandon or angry cops hilarious
Hold my bias
Pantsir addition is typical Russian dev method. Create the problem, sell the solution
1- nerf the existant thing
2- add the OP one
3- justify that addition by saying « look, it is needed » despite entire community feedback
Remember world of warships ? Russian devs, same shit.
where's the anime decal from?
It's gg for space bombers :) I love it, no more free kills from space
unless you play USSR...
asking for a friend, what decal does he have on the rear?
my guess is a DMM promo decal, could be wrong though
I love every AA even overpowered ones just because I hate cas and heli, so I am also satisfied watching them die
The Pantsir radar is using TWS mode which it will not been marked on the RWRs
That's not what TWS means, means Track Whilst Scan, you can detect other aircraft and lock onto another, russian 8.0 SPAA cannot do this. As for not pinging RWR, the radar is K band frequency (microwaves) hence why it doesn't ping like the 2S6 does.
28:30
Justin: kills an AH-64D easily
Me in Tor-M1: killed by an AH MK.1
sad
Got Pantsir-S1 and thought it will be OP. Not really. On the spawn after few seconds get demolished by heli and didn't even see it. In 6 battles got 2 jet kills.
Honestly the game needs Better AA in game to balance out CAS at top tier. Either by introducing new vehicles or increasing spawn costs for those vehicles.
Make ground RB for GROUND VEHICLES
At this point its only a matter of time before haarms are added maybe we will get lucky and see rockeyes get added
The VT-1 missiles have already been brought down to 12km again. They have also been made unresponsive for the first second or so (among other AAs)
So the FlaRakRad and IT0s are now worse than they were before the Pantsir
They need to place italian Centauro with upgraded turret of Otomatic. Italians will be more OP.
Hello Justin ill just answer for your question. The reason i watch your videos to see how a efficient player would play a tank and how to counter a vehicle
People like me bring props into top tier to get ez god modes off of helicopters. Just gotta dive to the floor asap to hide from SPAA
hey I be watching donut operator too
This is satisfying to me watching cas get a rocket up there backsides after driving 5 done my throat in spawn after getting killed by the same guy so they can burn ❤️🔥